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>> Andrew Gobeil: Today

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on "The Big Picture,"

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from the Catawba Reservation

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to Shaw Air Force Base to the

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U.S. House of Representatives,

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John Spratt has played a role

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in many of the events

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that have shaped South Carolina

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over the past few years.

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We take a look

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at the congressman today.

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Welcome to "The Big Picture."

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I'm Andrew Gobeil.

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One of the most powerful

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members of Congress controls

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billions of dollars

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from his seat as chair

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of the House Budget Committee.

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But when he returns home

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to South Carolina,

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this powerful politician,

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who follows in the footsteps

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of other powerful

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Palmetto State politicians,

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jumps in his old domestic sedan

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and sleeps in the same home

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in which he grew up.

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In this special edition

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of "The Big Picture,"

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producer John Bullington

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takes a close look

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at United States Representative

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John Spratt.

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>> Interestingly enough,

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our youngest child,

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Catherine, is probably

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the most interested of all

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in politics.

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When I first ran, she was

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just before entering

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first grade.

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>> Jane Spratt: Mm-hmm.

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were out back

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in the magnolia tree,

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which was a favorite place

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to sort of perch and talk.

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And I ran out the back door,

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hopped in the car,

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and sped out of the yard.

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And Catherine said,

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"What's Daddy doing?"

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And Susan said, "Catherine,

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Daddy is running for Congress."

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Well, that didn't mean anything

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to somebody who'd not been

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in first grade.

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She couldn't imagine her daddy

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"running" for anything.

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>> Jane Spratt: [laughs]

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>> John Spratt: So Susan

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explained it to her.

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She said, "Look, we're going

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to meet a lot of people,

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and then, one day,

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people will be asked to put

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a ballot, a piece of paper,

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with their choice in a box.

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And then they'll count them all

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and see who wins."

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And Catherine said,

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"If Daddy doesn't win,

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don't tell me."

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>> Alex Sanders: John Spratt

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did win that election

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and an unbroken string

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of reelections since then.

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Today, he stands

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at the height of his career

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on the national scene.

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As chair

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of the House Budget Committee,

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he'll determine policy

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and direction for the nation.

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This ascent to power began

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when he was a political unknown

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and a lawyer from the small

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South Carolina town of York.

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♪

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♪

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>> Hello, I'm Alex Sanders.

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John Spratt

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has served in Congress

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for more than two decades.

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All during that time,

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he looked after the sprawling

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Fifth Congressional District.

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Now, he overseas

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much bigger territory,

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the federal budget.

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John Spratt's

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never been a flashy,

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made-for-media congressman.

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He's a studious, serious man

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who researches the issues

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and is not quick to jump

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in front of the camera.

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John Spratt serves

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in one of the most important

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positions in Washington.

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Back home in South Carolina,

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his friends and colleagues

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are not surprised.

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>> I grew up in politics.

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My father never ran

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for anything.

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He always originally wanted to.

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He went to see his father

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over in Fort Mill.

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He'd been practicing law

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for a year or two.

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And he sat down with his father

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in a rocking chair

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on the front porch, and he said,

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"Papa, you know, I went

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to law school out of state,

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and it would help me, I think,

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to get to know people.

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I'll tell you what

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I've been thinking about.

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I've been thinking

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about running for the state

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house of representatives."

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His father turned to him

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and he said, "Do you mean

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to tell me we mortgaged

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Grandma's house to send you

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to law school and you're going

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to become a damn politician?"

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And that was the end

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of my father's

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<i>elective</i> politics.

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>> His dad was head

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of the Democratic party

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in York County for years,

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an executive committeeman.

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And he had a lot of clout

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in the Democratic party

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in the state.

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But he never sought

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public office,

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and he discouraged Johnny

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from running for public office.

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He wanted him to be active

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in it, in politics,

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as far as the process

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was concerned,

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but he didn't want him

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to actively get into politics.

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>> Spratt: My father was

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presiding over a stump meeting

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here in York.

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Senator Wallace was not

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on the ticket, but he was

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on the dais with others.

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And he got up and was able,

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between two speakers, to speak.

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And another man

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who was running for office

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and who was not at all allied

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with Senator Wallace

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accused my father

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of engineering it so that

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Senator Wallace could speak,

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which was not true at all.

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When my father told me--told him

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that he had not set that up,

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the man called him a liar,

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whereupon my father slugged him.

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And the sheriff caught

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one of the...one of them,

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and the deputy sheriff

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caught the other,

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and kept them from really

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going after each other.

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But it was,

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it was literally a fistfight

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for a few seconds there.

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And that was the kind

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of atmosphere I grew up in.

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>> Sanders: With politics

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in his blood, Spratt was

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student body president

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at both York High School

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and Davidson College.

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He went off to Oxford

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on a Marshall Scholarship

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and later earned his law degree

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at Yale.

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In his mid-20s, he married

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Jane Stacy from nearby Filbert.

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They'd known each other

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since grade school.

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After serving in the Army

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as a captain, he came back

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to his hometown of York to work

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in his father's law firm

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and raise a family.

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Eleven years later, he would go

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against his father's advice

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and enter the arena

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of elective politics.

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>> Tom planned to retire

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in 1974.

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He had lunch

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with John's parents,

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John Sr. and Jan.

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Tom said,

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"Now, I plan to retire,

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and I want John to replace me."

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One of them said,

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"If you talk to John,

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we'll roll you in cement

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and throw you

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in the Catawba River."

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And John did not, then,

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run for office

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till they had both died.

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>> My hope in coming back

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to York was, ultimately,

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to get into elective politics.

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My father died

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shortly after I came back.

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I took over his law practice.

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I was 39 years old

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and thought I'd missed my ship.

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>> Jane Spratt: Sounds young

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now, though, doesn't it?

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>> John Spratt: Sure does.

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Ken Holland, less than a week

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before the filing deadline,

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decided that he would not run

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again, a shock to everyone.

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And there was the opportunity

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for me to seize.

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I had a busy law practice.

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Walking away from it was not

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going to be easy at all.

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I struggled with the idea

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for a day and decided, by golly,

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I'll have to just deal

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with those other problems

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when that time comes.

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If I don't take

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this opportunity,

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I'll reproach myself

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for the rest of my life

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for not having taken

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the opportunity.

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>> In that first race,

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he had quite a contest for the,

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for the Democrat nomination.

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And I would say

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that the press, for example,

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and many other observers

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didn't give him

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much of a chance originally.

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One of the things

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they said about him,

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"He's really not a politician,

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you know.

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He can't get out there

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and glad-hand

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and do the political things."

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And he was not

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a natural at that.

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But he was a very organized,

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serious, determined fellow

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and became, in my opinion,

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one of the better politicians

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because of that

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very characteristic.

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>> Down in Winnsboro one night,

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when statewide candidates

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were running,

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John was there.

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It was a largely black audience,

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and one gentleman got up

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in the back after they had made

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their formal presentations.

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And if I recall, Governor Riley

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was there at that time as well.

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But a gentleman got up

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in the back and had a question

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for Mr. Spratt.

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He says, ah, "Mr. Spratt,

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I understand that you're

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a millionaire

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several times over.

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What do you know

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about black people's problems

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or poor people's problems?

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How can you identify with that?"

08:32.733 --> 08:34.966 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
And John stood there and said,

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"Yes, I am wealthy.

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And most of my wealth

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came from my parents,

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which I'm grateful for.

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But I have to also tell you

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that I've added some

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to what they left me."

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He says, "But let me ask you

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a question.

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On John F. Kennedy,

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did you say the same thing?

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Did you feel the same way?"

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When John finished, this fellow

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slid down in his seat

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never to be heard from again.

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>> Ferguson: A lot of people,

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politicians you'll see will go

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through a big crowd somewhere

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and slap everybody on the back

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and grab their hand

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and just move and, as they say,

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"work the crowd."

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Well, Johnny is

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someone who'll stop him

09:15.266 --> 09:16.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and want to talk to him

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about a problem

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or an issue or something,

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and he'll stand there

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and listen to 'em.

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He might not be able

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to work the whole crowd,

09:22.200 --> 09:23.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
but he's interested

09:23.200 --> 09:24.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
in the people

09:24.200 --> 09:25.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that have something to say

09:25.200 --> 09:26.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and have problems that maybe

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he can do something about.

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>> When you're talking

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<i>with</i> John--

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and I stress "with" because

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it's very much back and forth--

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you have his total attention.

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You get those big eyes

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right at you,

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and they don't,

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they don't leave you.

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And I think you hear about that

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from people all over the,

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all over the Fifth District,

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that when they've met John,

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they know he's met them.

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>> Sanders: In that first

09:53.333 --> 09:54.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
political campaign,

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Spratt's style worked

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and voters remembered him.

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He was in a four-way contest

09:58.366 --> 09:59.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
for the Democratic nomination

09:59.766 --> 10:01.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
at a time when Democrats

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dominated politics

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in South Carolina.

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The race was

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about name recognition,

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not about experience,

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as none of the candidates

10:08.666 --> 10:10.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
had spent any significant time

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in public office.

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Spratt won the nomination

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and went on to defeat

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his Republican opponent.

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The Spratts were

10:17.466 --> 10:18.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
no strangers to Washington.

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They'd lived there during part

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of his military service

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at the Pentagon.

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But there were

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some surprises and adventures

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for him and his family.

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>> I'll tell you,

10:27.733 --> 10:28.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I could write a book

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about just going back and forth,

10:31.000 --> 10:31.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
even in the car,

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with three children,

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three cats and a dog,

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[laughing]

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going from South--

10:37.100 --> 10:39.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
going from York, South Carolina

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to Washington D.C.,

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because they pay--

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You know, Johnny gets, actually,

10:42.966 --> 10:45.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
an allowance to fly home.

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And his time is at a premium.

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I know that.

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But we weren't going to--

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there's no way we were going

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to fly with that many people.

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So we would get in the car,

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and it was like an adventure.

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>> John Spratt: There was

10:55.900 --> 10:56.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
a soap opera.

10:56.666 --> 10:57.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I never saw it,

10:57.566 --> 10:59.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
but it was set on Capitol Hill.

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The members of Congress

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had offices with chandeliers.

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They had limo service.

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They had all of the perks

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that you could possibly imagine.

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And our girls thought

11:09.766 --> 11:12.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that this was really humorous

11:12.166 --> 11:14.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
because I had a small office,

11:14.733 --> 11:16.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
certainly no chandelier,

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absolutely no limousine,

11:18.666 --> 11:19.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
none of the perks

11:19.800 --> 11:20.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that were associated

11:20.900 --> 11:21.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
with being in Congress

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on the soap opera.

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>> Sanders: Over the years,

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the hallmark of Spratt's service

11:26.333 --> 11:27.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
in Congress has been

11:27.366 --> 11:28.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
his hard work,

11:28.300 --> 11:29.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
both in Washington

11:29.300 --> 11:31.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
and back home in his district.

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The district stretches

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across 14 counties

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and from the Upstate

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to the Pee Dee.

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>> How he's able to do it,

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I don't know.

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He comes back here

11:39.800 --> 11:40.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
on a regular basis

11:40.933 --> 11:41.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and spends a lot of time.

11:41.966 --> 11:42.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
With the pressures

11:42.900 --> 11:44.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
he's got in Washington

11:44.000 --> 11:45.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
being the budget writer,

11:45.300 --> 11:46.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
if you will,

11:46.333 --> 11:47.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
[chuckles]

11:47.633 --> 11:48.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
he, I don't see

11:48.666 --> 11:49.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
how he does that.

11:49.733 --> 11:52.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
But he spends all of his time,

11:52.366 --> 11:53.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and I'm sure his wife

11:53.166 --> 11:54.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
will tell you that

11:54.666 --> 11:57.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
he spends all of his time,

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as a congressman.

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>> Spratt: I don't think

11:59.400 --> 12:00.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
anybody realizes

12:00.266 --> 12:03.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
how consuming this work can be.

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I represent all or part

12:04.300 --> 12:06.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
of 14 different counties.

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Now, that's just, say,

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a fourth of the state.

12:10.000 --> 12:11.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
But geographically,

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it's a big territory.

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I got a piece of the Pee Dee,

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a piece of the Piedmont,

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and part of the Midlands.

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So it's really three different

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areas of the state, kind of

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like a three-ring circus.

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You have to keep something

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going in each, each ring,

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each area so that people

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will understand you're out there

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working on their behalf.

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And that's not easy.

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There's no central media.

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There's no central television

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or anything of that nature.

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So you got to be

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at all of these different places

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at various times in the year

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to let people know

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you're out there working

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in their behalf.

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Now, that's a pretty demanding

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requirement in a district

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like this, given the level

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of expectation people have.

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>> Huitt: I never

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heard anybody say,

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when they sit down with him,

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have the opportunity

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to sit down on a one-on-one

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and he's out in the district--

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he's out in the district

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an awful lot--

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and if they've spent time

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one-on-one with him

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and if they've been served

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the way his offices

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across the district serve you,

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that answers the,

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that answers the question

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of why Republicans, obviously,

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vote for John Sprat.

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>> When he comes

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to our Thanksgiving things,

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he very quietly

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slips in and sits down

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at one of the tables.

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He doesn't come up to speak

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to whoever else may be there.

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He comes over and talks

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to the children.

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They climb all over him.

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He wants to read

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the things they've written,

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the stories they've written.

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>> Congressman Spratt

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has been probably the single

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most focused congressman

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in this area

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working to support education,

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and particularly

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higher education,

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and working to find

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the resources that help us

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to accomplish our mission.

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And of course, here

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in the technical college system,

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it's about economic development.

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Most recently,

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in 2004 I believe it was,

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the Congressman was successful

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in identifying funding

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that would allow us to expand

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this Institute

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for Manufacturing Technology

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focused on metalworking,

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machining,

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and automated manufacturing.

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>> We went to Congressman Spratt

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probably four years ago

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with an idea for Ridgeway

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in Fairfield County.

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It's a town of about 4,000

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that had no physician,

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no dentist

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and not even a pharmacy.

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And we put together

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a plan at his behest to bring

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all three of those services

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to Ridgeway.

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And he did give us

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a federal line item

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to help to defray the cost.

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Ridgeway does not have a very

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large political footprint,

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but it does have

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very large needs.

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And the Congressman

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was quick to recognize that

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and to step in

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to really address it.

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>> Sanders: In the 1990s,

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Spratt faced

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the biggest challenge

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in constituent service, issues

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that could affect the lives

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of just about every citizen

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in two areas of his district.

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In the Upstate,

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a long-simmering land claim

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by the Catawba Indian Nation

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could have brought the region

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to an economic standstill.

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In Sumter, cutbacks in funding

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threatened the future

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of Shaw Air Force Base and the

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hundreds of millions of dollars

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it brings to the state.

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>> The Catawba Indian settlement

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has to go down

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as one of the monumental

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accomplishments.

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There was a good chance

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that all of eastern York County,

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Chester County

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and Lancaster County

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would have been tied up

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for years in a litigation which,

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no matter how it came out,

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would have resulted

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in economic catastrophe

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for this area.

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And John got through Congress

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a bill to extend

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the statute of limitations

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for the settlement by a year.

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It had never been done before.

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No one was even sure it was

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totally constitutional.

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>> Sanders: Spratt's connection

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to the Catawbas may run

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deeper than just being

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their congressman.

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His ancestor,

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Thomas "Kanawha" Spratt, came

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to this part of South Carolina

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in the 1700s.

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He was befriended

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by the Catawbas,

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who gave him the name Kanawha.

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The Indians gave him

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something more than a name.

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They leased him

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4,700 acres of land.

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More than two centuries later,

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Kanawha Spratt's descendent John

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would return part of that favor

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and work with the Catawba Nation

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for a land claim settlement

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and restoration

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of federal recognition in 1993.

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>> Everybody was taking

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this thing as kind of a joke.

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They thought, you know,

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Well, heck, we don't have

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to worry about these Catawbas.

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They have no political clout,

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so it'll go away.

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Well, it didn't go away.

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We were at the point to where

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we were going to have to file

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a claim against every individual

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landowner in the claim area,

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which would have been thousands

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and thousands of people.

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Even if you owned

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a half-acre of land, you were

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going to have to go to court

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and defend that half-acre.

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There was just no way out of it.

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>> I was in the kind of business

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where you couldn't make a loan

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unless the property

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was free entirely.

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And we had that Indian situation

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hanging over every piece

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of real estate.

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And John saved the day on that

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whole, whole proposition.

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>> Blue: I remember

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that John made a statement

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to me one time,

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and I really appreciate that.

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We were down on the river

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on the reservation,

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and we had been speaking

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and talking about the issues

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in the nation.

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And John said, "Chief,

17:37.500 --> 17:38.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
I want to tell you something."

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He said, "Everything that

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you're asking or you want to get

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in this settlement package,

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I wish you could get it.

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You deserve it," he said,

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"but I'm going to tell you,

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I can't sign off

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on everything that you want,

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simply because

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it won't fly in D.C.

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And I don't want to sign off

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on some kind of settlement

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package that will get

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bogged down in Washington.

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I want to sign something,

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even though it may not be

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all you would like to have,

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at least it's something

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that we have a good chance

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of getting through legislation."

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>> Spratt: But pulling it

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all together and finally

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pushing it to settlement

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and then implementing

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the settlement agreement

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took a full five years.

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And...it was the single biggest

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constituent accomplishment.

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Shaw Air Force Base

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was important.

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I have to say,

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Shaw probably would be there

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without the help I gave it,

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but what I did with Shaw

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was recognize that

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we don't want to wait until

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the next base closing comes.

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We want to act right now

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to see to it that Shaw

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has better facilities, or

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at least competitive facilities,

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with other peer bases.

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And that worked

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year in and year out.

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We didn't have to do anything

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spectacular, but it was steady,

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rebuilt Shaw Air Force Base

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from stem to stern.

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>> John worked to--

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along with the local folks

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in the community--

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to try to strengthen

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that mission and make sure that

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our facilities were topnotch

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and that the mission

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was important.

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And in the end,

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after going through Bracks

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in '91, '93, '95,

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and again in 2005,

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we have won out.

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We are the F-16 premier base

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on the East Coast.

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>> Sumter County is not

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a large part of his district,

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but he has been very attentive,

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particularly to the Shaw

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situation, Shaw Air Force Base.

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And he has worked

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very diligently

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over the past 25 years

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to build up the mission

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out at Shaw and make it stronger

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so they would, would be able

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to weather any base closing

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procedures that went on

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over the years.

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>> Sanders: Since his election

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in 1982 in a largely Democratic

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district, Spratt's home turf

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has dramatically

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turned Republican.

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In the last ten years,

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he's faced serious challenges

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from Republican opponents,

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but he has successfully defeated

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every contender.

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>> The far right

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of the Republican party

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does not like John Spratt,

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and they can cite certain votes.

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But beyond that,

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that's where John's strength is.

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First of all, he's got

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the Democrat support.

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He's got the vast majority

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of the independent support.

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And he gets elected

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with a fair amount

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of help from Republicans,

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believe it or not.

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And it's very hard to say

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this is a horrible man

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because you can't--

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it's not there.

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I mean, he's, John

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is a very solid, fiscally

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conservative congressman

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who takes care of his people,

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and they like him.

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People like John Spratt.

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And he can't be beat.

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John's got that seat

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as long as he wants it.

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>> Foster: With all

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of the opposition that he's had

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from time to time,

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he's been able to remain there

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because it's really difficult,

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when you get right down to it,

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to find enough people

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who dislike him so much

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that they're willing

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to vote against him...

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unless they're just pulling

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a straight lever, you know.

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>> Gullick: And I've had people

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come to me and say,

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"We're thinking about running

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against John."

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And I've said,

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"That's the end of your career.

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You will not win that race.

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It cannot be won.

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Trust me.

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I've been there.

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I've seen it."

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>> Sanders: During his tenure

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in Washington,

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Spratt has become known

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as a bridge builder.

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He counts the Balanced Budget

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Act of 1997 as his crowning

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legislative achievement.

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Along with his rise to chair

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of the Budget Committee,

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he's the second ranking Democrat

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on the Armed Services Committee.

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In both positions, he's known

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for reaching across party lines.

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>> When I went to Washington,

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which I did a lot

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at that particular time,

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people on both sides

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of the aisle,

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as I would meet them--

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or knew them, 'cause a lot

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of them had been former mayors

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that I had known a long time--

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and they all had so much

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to say about John that was good,

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that he was a statesman,

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that he was a diplomat,

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he was a hard worker.

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And I think they do

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call him a workhorse.

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He works all the time.

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And he doesn't play

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the partisanship game.

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He's never done that.

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>> Plumb: The irony is

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is that he's been lambasted

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by some of his opponents

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as being a liberal Democrat.

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Well, you can call him

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a Democrat, but I'm not sure

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you can call him

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a liberal Democrat.

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You talk to people

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in Washington, they'll tell you

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John is a member

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of the Blue Dog Democrats,

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conservative Democrats,

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and that he votes more in line

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with traditional Republican

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positions on many issues

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than he does

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what a lot of people think of

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as Democratic issues.

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>> We have in our caucus people

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we call Yellow Dog Democrats.

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That means

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this person's a Democrat

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come hell or high water,

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would vote for a Democrat

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even if it was a yellow dog.

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We have--the Blue Dog Democrats

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are the more conservatives.

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We have another group

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called the New Dems.

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They're sort of

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pro-business oriented.

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And people are always looking

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at John trying to figure out

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which one of these groups

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he fits into.

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And nobody could ever put him

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in a group.

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And he doesn't join

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any one of them.

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If you look at

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his voting record, you says,

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"Hey, I think

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this guy's a Blue Dog."

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But every now and then,

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I would go to John,

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and I'd see him casting a vote.

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And I've said to him--

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and I've done this

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more than once--

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I've said, "John, are you sure

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you want to vote this way?"

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He said, "Yes I am sure

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I want to vote this way."

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He said, "There's some things

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that's got to get

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beyond politics."

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>> Osteen: Spratt is

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an interesting politician,

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in my view, because he is,

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he's not a camera whore

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and not a microphone whore

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like many people

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in Congress are.

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He's a workhorse.

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He's not a show horse.

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He doesn't look

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for the limelight.

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He just wants

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to get things done.

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>> He is the most able fellow,

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probably, in the United States

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House of Representatives.

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He's well schooled in defense

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and awfully talented and able

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and, to my despair,

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didn't run for the Senate--

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[chuckles]

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where he could have really

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gone right to the top.

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>> Mack: I think he could have,

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could have already

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been the governor

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if he'd decided to run.

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And a lot of times,

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congressmen can't get there,

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but I think

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people recognize his abilities.

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And I think he could have been

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in the United States Senate

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if he'd wanted to.

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He likes being the Congressman.

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>> Spratt: Ultimately,

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I may have, could have a shot

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at being chairman of

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House Armed Services Committee,

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and having served there

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for a long period of time,

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I'd like to crown my career,

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maybe, or at least complete

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some things that I've learned

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over the years on that committee

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by possibly being the chairman

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of that committee.

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That's, that's just a bit

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of a dream for the future

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because I'm happy where I am,

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doing what I'm doing for now

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on the Budget Committee,

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and I think I can,

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I think I can do something

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that--good for the country.

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>> Sanders: Next step

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for John Spratt

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may not be a step at all.

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Perhaps it'll just be

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the opportunity to continue

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to work where he feels

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he can do the most good.

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He may not have completely

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ignored his father's advice

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about not getting

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into politics after all.

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He appears to be more interested

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in getting things done

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than in gaining

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political points.

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He still lives

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in the town of York,

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in the same house

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where he grew up.

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His home telephone number

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is listed in the public

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phone directory.

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And he moves with ease

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from chairing a committee

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on the Hill to celebrating

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the Fourth of July

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in a small town back home.

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John Spratt knows

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where he came from,

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and he knows very well

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where he wants to go.

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>> Spratt: My parents

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believed in me, too.

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So they raised me

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with high expectations.

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And I tried to achieve them.

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And they gave me

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lots of opportunities.

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And I have to acknowledge that.

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And I had a huge advantage

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of some mentors

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in this community,

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from football coaches

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to Boy Scout leaders

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to high school teachers who--

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and to our ministers--

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who all had an impact

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on my personality.

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Maybe it's because they thought

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there was a spark here

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or something here

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that was worth cultivating,

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but being a small town,

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I got that recognition early on

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and got lots of encouragement,

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lots of guidance,

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lots of support and inspiration

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as a consequence of it.

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So I don't attribute

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much of what I've succeeded

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in that sense to myself

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but to them because I was simply

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fulfilling their expectations.

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