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>> A disturbing pattern of
targeted killings and

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assassination attempts against
figures who challenge

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Russian President
Vladimir Putin.

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>> Did you ever think
you’d be investigating

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an assassination
plot against yourself?

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>> No.

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>> Being on Putin’s kill list
has led to me being

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separated from my family.

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This is how the regime likes to
play the game,

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stripping away the fundamental
things of your life one by one.

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>> The prominent Kremlin critic
and Russian opposition leader,

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Vladimir Kara-Murza, was
arrested.

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>> It’s important to remember
that the regime of

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Vladimir Putin is not just an
authoritarian regime,

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it is a regime of murderers.

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>> Courage is not the absence of
fear but rather the assessment

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that something else is more
important than fear.

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>> It’s almost like a bounty
system from the old wild west

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where you don’t know how many
killers are out there for you.

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The only hope is for
this regime to fall

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before the
order is fulfilled.

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>> I think it shows they are no
longer afraid.

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That pretension of being a
democratic state has vanished.

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>> NARRATOR: Now on FRONTLINE,
a special presentation of

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the award-winning film,
Antidote.

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(metal rattling)

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(elevator doors open)

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(keys jangling)

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(door shuts)

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(line ringing out)

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER (speaking
Bulgarian, on speaker):

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>> CHRISTO (speaking Bulgarian):

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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(chuckles)

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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(Christo's father coughs,
sniffles)

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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♪ ♪

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(church bell rings)

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>> As the lead
Russia investigator

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for the groundbreaking
news outlet Bellingcat,

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Christo Grozev has been
the driving force

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behind a series
of stunning revelations.

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Pioneers in the use
of publicly available data

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and social media for
investigative journalism.

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>> Out front now,
Christo Grozev, he was able

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to identify the Russians
involved

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in poisoning Putin opposition
leader, Alexei Navalny.

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>> CHRISTO: We're disabling
more and more agents.

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Burning whole sequences
of names.

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>> Grozev calls it the art
of reconstructing a crime

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based on digital breadcrumbs.

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A new form of journalism
that takes human sources

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and their personal agendas
out of the equation.

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(phone ringing)

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(digital trilling)

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>> Breaking news--
in the past few minutes

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three Bulgarians have
been convicted at the Old Bailey

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of spying for Russia.

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>> The group targeted

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opponents of Russian
President Vladimir Putin.

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On a flight from London

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to Vienna they filmed
journalist Christo Grozev

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and planned to kidnap him.

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>> The minute the Kremlin
perceives you as part

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of the intelligence game,
you're a target.

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>> I believe
in the 21st century,

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the Russian authorities
are using an assassin squad

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to eliminate,

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physically eliminate,
the opponents of Putin's regime.

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(phone ringing, scribbling)

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>> Bellingcat is the tool
for the deep establishment.

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>> It's like in a war;
when you are a soldier,

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you understand that the risk

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is a part of the rules of
the game.

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The world has changed.

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(footsteps echoing)

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>> Did you ever think
you'd be investigating

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an assassination plot
against yourself?

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>> CHRISTO: No.

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No, clearly this is
from the realm of...

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a really, really crazy novel,
yeah.

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(stammering):
It doesn't happen, really...

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until it does.

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(car door shuts)

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(ignition starts)

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(seatbelt clicks)

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>> CHRISTO
(speaking Russian, on speaker):

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>> DRIVER (speaking Russian):

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> DRIVER:

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>> CHRISTO: In my work as a
journalist investigating Russia,

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I've constantly been challenged

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to find new ways
to get the truth out.

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In this case,

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helping an extremely valuable
whistleblower,

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a scientist from
Putin's poison program, escape.

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>> Russian opposition leader
Alexei Navalny is unconscious

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on a ventilator in a hospital
after an alleged poisoning.

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>> Sergei Skripal
and his daughter were poisoned

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by a military grade nerve agent
of a type developed by Russia.

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>> Fighting for their lives
in a U.K. hospital.

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Suspected of being poisoned

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while they were
sitting on a park bench.

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>> The case fits
a disturbing pattern

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of targeted killings
and assassination attempts

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against figures who challenge

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Russian President
Vladimir Putin.

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>> PUTIN (in Russian):

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>> CHRISTO: This whistleblower
is determined to tell the world

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how the state makes
deadly poisons

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and targets political opponents.

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So I'm setting up his escape
across the border

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with a trusted contact.

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>> DRIVER:

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>> DIRECTOR: Mm-hmm.

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>> DRIVER:

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(Director responding in Russian)

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>> DIRECTOR: Mm-hmm.

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>> CHRISTO: If he gets caught
crossing the border

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he will be sent back to Russia

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and probably convicted
of treason, or even worse.

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We've agreed a meeting point

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in the middle of the
countryside,

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but even here there
are border guards everywhere;

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it's incredibly
dangerous for him.

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(phone ringing out)

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>> WHISTLEBLOWER
(speaking Russian, on speaker):

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>> DRIVER:

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>> WHISTLEBLOWER:
>> DRIVER:

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(phone chimes)

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>> DIRECTOR (in Russian):

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>> DRIVER:

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(beeping)

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>> CAMERAMAN (in Russian):
>> DIRECTOR:

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>> DIRECTOR:
He's coming through the field.

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(beeping)

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(grunting, panting)

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>> DRIVER:
>> WHISTLEBLOWER: Who are you?

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(panting continues)
>> DIRECTOR:

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>> WHISTLEBLOWER (breathing
heavily): I... have done it.

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(panting heavily)

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>> DIRECTOR:

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(Director laughs)

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>> DRIVER:

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>> WHISTLEBLOWER
(in Russian):

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♪ ♪

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(cork pops)

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(exhales)

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(exhales)

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>> DRIVER:

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>> WHISTLEBLOWER:

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She is very glad for me.

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(in Russian):

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♪ ♪

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>> CHRISTO:
The adrenaline you get,

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the adrenaline rush
from being able

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to outsmart the scariest
and, and allegedly

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most sophisticated
intelligence services

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in the world is unparalleled.

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(cheers and applause)

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>> PUTIN:

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(cheers and applause)

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>> If you're Vladimir Putin,

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the list of things that
cause you eternal headaches

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is very long,

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but somewhere near the top
of that list

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is probably an oddly-named
investigative consortium

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known as Bellingcat.

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Bellingcat's work was
being cited as key evidence

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in some of the highest courts
in the land.

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Their work got a boost with
the arrival of Christo Grozev,

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a Bulgarian journalist
who brought with him

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a wealth of experience
in chasing corruption

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and criminality across Europe.

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(indistinct chatter)

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>> Good evening,
good evening, everybody.

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Welcome to De Balie;
my name's Yoeri Albrecht

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I'm the director of De Balie.

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Tonight,
we're very, very happy to have

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the rock star of, of,
investigative journalism,

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the lead investigator
at Bellingcat,

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Christo Grozev.

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(applause)

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>> If Russia
isn't talking about us,

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you know, when
we're publishing this stuff,

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then that would be
kind of almost more worrying

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than when they are talking
about us,

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because when they are
responding in the way they do,

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especially when
it's so aggressive

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in some circumstances, you know

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they're worried
about what we're saying

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so when they're reacting to us,

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we know it's because we found
the truth,

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not because
we've made a good guess.

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>> So you do open source
investigations,

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what does that mean?

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>> That can be information
that includes

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social media posts,

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things like Google Street View,

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satellite imagery,

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and really anything
that's available to the public.

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Over the last few years,

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we've used that kind
of information

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to uncover poisonings,
expose hitmen.

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(munitions firing)

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With the Russian
invasion of Ukraine as well,

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it's become not just
journalism but accountability

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for war crimes
and those sorts of things.

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>> CHRISTO: "History was
written by the victors,"

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different now, different.

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It's transparent,
it's open source.

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>> And, and years
after the fact normally.

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>> CHRISTO: Yeah and, and that,
that should make people,

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especially
in commanding positions,

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think twice before,
before taking orders.

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>> When you started
working with Christo,

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did he have
an unusual talent for this?

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>> Yeah, at first I was like,
this is pretty crazy,

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I, I do wonder where he's
getting this from.

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But because he could present
the sources

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and explain where it
was coming from,

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and having seen

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and understood just the depths
of corruption in Russia,

13:45.766 --> 13:48.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the state is gathering huge
amounts of information

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about its citizens but the
citizens are selling

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that information to
anyone who wants to buy stuff.

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Christo learnt how to
navigate this particular space;

13:56.633 --> 13:59.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
all this data he's
collected is hugely valuable.

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>> Then it becomes very personal
of course;

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it's not very dangerous?

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>> CHRISTO: Yeah.

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Some people say crazy, yeah.

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I think it also depends on what
kind of family you have.

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Many of us in Bellingcat

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being allowed by our partners or
wives or husbands

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to do that is also part of
the equation

14:24.433 --> 14:26.166 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
because
many of us would not doing,

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be doing it if we're
not encouraged or allowed.

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>> My dad is a...

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...resourceful and determined,

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yet silly man
who has managed to make

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one of the most dangerous men
on the planet very angry.

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(soft chuckle)

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But he's also not the man
he used to be;

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his life changed a lot.

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>> In what way?

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>> Well, this isn't what
he used to do for work, right?

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He was a businessman,
he managed radios and, and...

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>> Like radio stations?
>> Yeah, yeah.

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And then ever since 2014,

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he started following his
passion, which was journalism.

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I think this
is the real Christo, this,

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this obsessive, uh,

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journalist guy
who sifts through spreadsheets

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all night to find something.

15:25.500 --> 15:28.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Also, it's a bit of a, like,
David versus Goliath thing.

15:28.766 --> 15:31.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Like it's, it's one guy with his

15:31.233 --> 15:33.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
crypto that he buys the
information with

15:33.733 --> 15:37.266 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
versus
a murderous regime, right, so.

15:39.100 --> 15:40.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I, I respect him for what

15:40.600 --> 15:41.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
he's doing now.

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Yeah, there's challenges
and sacrifices but I,

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I support him 100%.

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♪ ♪

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>> PUTIN:

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>> (in Russian):

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>> CHRISTO: Well, apparently

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I'm wanted by Russia, I'm on a
federal search warrant list.

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With no explanation what for,

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what the charges are.

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And the only kind of clue
to it is

17:32.966 --> 17:36.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
actually coming from a
Russian state media outlet

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that says oh, according
to information we have, uh,

17:39.700 --> 17:42.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
from a source within the police,

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Grozev is charged with, uh,
slander on the Russian army.

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When I returned
to my home in Vienna,

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I was confronted immediately

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with the local police saying,

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"No, no, no we have to
ratchet up your security,

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it's not-- life is not going
to be like it was before."

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So a lot of things
will have to change,

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I may have
to change the place of,

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of life for my family because
local police is telling me

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Vienna is not an easy place
for you to be protected.

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There are way too many Russians,

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way too many potential spies
here that we are not aware of.

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(car horns honking)

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Ironically, thanks to my work,

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I understand better than anyone
what this means.

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♪ ♪

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(applause)

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>> So how many Russian agents
have you uncovered?

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>> CHRISTO: In terms of
people of relevance

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who I've focused on,

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individually, we're about 300.

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In terms of names
that I know are spies,

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we're talking about 5,000.

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It's one big puzzle.

19:34.566 --> 19:37.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It was only when we cracked open
the network that we understood

19:37.400 --> 19:40.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the true scale of
this secret killing machine.

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One of Putin's most infamous
attempted assassinations

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targeted somebody who later
became a friend of mine.

19:49.533 --> 19:53.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
That's Alexei Navalny,
the Russian opposition figure.

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After Putin tried
to kill him with poison,

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Alexei returned to Russia
to be immediately arrested.

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Seeing him released is
a personal ambition of mine,

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and I really believe
we have a chance now.

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Partly because of
our investigations,

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western countries
holds somebody in jail

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who has
enormous value for Putin.

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That's a man

20:23.866 --> 20:25.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
called Vadim Krasikov.

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>> Who is Krasikov?

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>> CHRISTO: Krasikov.

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He's a professional killer.

20:43.066 --> 20:47.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
One of his trademarks
was shooting his victims

20:47.000 --> 20:49.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
from a bicycle while in motion.

20:56.400 --> 20:58.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
There are assassinations
connected to him dating right

20:58.900 --> 21:02.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
back to when Putin first came
to power in the early 2000s.

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He was finally caught in Berlin
after shooting a man

21:07.233 --> 21:09.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in broad daylight in a park.

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He refused to speak to police.

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We started to investigate and
discovered his true identity.

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The prosecutor included

21:25.533 --> 21:28.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Bellingcat's evidence, I think,
more than 90 times

21:28.533 --> 21:30.466 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
in the,
referenced in the indictment.

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He was then
sentenced to life in prison.

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Putin has never been

21:40.133 --> 21:42.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
so vocal about defending

21:42.766 --> 21:45.033 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
a killer as
he has been with Krasikov.

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And I have a contact in Russia
who indicated

21:47.900 --> 21:50.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that a prisoner swap involving
Krasikov

21:50.300 --> 21:52.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
would be extremely interesting.

21:52.500 --> 21:55.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Because all of these assassins,

21:55.833 --> 21:58.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
they need to be

21:58.000 --> 22:00.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
promised that they will be taken
care of.

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It's how the mafia system works.

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People don't want to risk
their life for you

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if they're going to just
rot in jail in Berlin forever.

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He needs to
get these people out.

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So for Krasikov alone,
we could ask not for one,

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but for many people.

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At the top of the list
would be Alexei Navalny

22:21.700 --> 22:23.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and Vladimir Kara-Murza.

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>> Prominent Kremlin critic
and Russian opposition leader,

22:27.566 --> 22:30.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Vladimir Kara-Murza,
was arrested.

22:30.466 --> 22:34.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> Vladimir is
a politician and a journalist.

22:34.566 --> 22:36.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
He had pushed
and lobbied for sanctions

22:36.766 --> 22:39.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
against Putin's regime
for many years.

22:39.000 --> 22:41.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Our investigations showed that,

22:41.133 --> 22:43.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
like Navalny, he was very much
on Putin's kill list.

22:43.800 --> 22:47.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And we discovered that,
yes, he had been

22:47.733 --> 22:50.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
targeted for poisoning twice.

22:50.166 --> 22:52.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Not once, but twice.

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>> There's a brook

23:04.533 --> 23:09.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
what has foxes,
beavers, some smaller creatures

23:09.133 --> 23:12.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
like rabbits, chipmunks--
chipmunks are adorable.

23:14.300 --> 23:17.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
It's quiet, you can only
hear the birds and the brook.

23:17.933 --> 23:21.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
I have a theory, I have
a theory that Vladimir--

23:21.600 --> 23:23.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
you know,
we moved into this house,

23:23.066 --> 23:26.833 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
I have a theory
that he just wanted me

23:26.833 --> 23:31.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to have a nice, comfortable
environment to be worried in.

23:31.966 --> 23:37.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
'Cause that sounds like him
and just to create this

23:37.566 --> 23:40.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
for us as a family,
this family nest,

23:40.666 --> 23:44.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
but there is a lot of space for
everyone to come together,

23:44.566 --> 23:48.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
spend some time together
to eat and drink and talk.

23:48.566 --> 23:51.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Um, well one day, maybe.

23:51.966 --> 23:54.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Yeah, one day.

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>> CHRISTO: Following
the Navalny investigation,

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we had an abundance
of residual data

24:04.733 --> 24:08.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
because the team of poisoners

24:08.000 --> 24:09.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
they had traveled many, many,

24:09.700 --> 24:13.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
many hundreds of times
over the last ten years

24:13.100 --> 24:17.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and only about 15% of
those trips could be correlated

24:17.200 --> 24:19.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
to places where Navalny
had been, so the question was

24:19.966 --> 24:22.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
where else had they been?
Who else had they targeted?

24:22.733 --> 24:26.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And in trying to reconstruct

24:26.266 --> 24:27.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and find overlaps with
well-known

24:27.933 --> 24:32.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Russian opposition figures,
we found Vladimir Kara-Murza.

24:32.733 --> 24:35.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Both before the first
and the second poisoning,

24:35.766 --> 24:39.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
members of the kill team
had been near him,

24:39.833 --> 24:42.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
the day before
he fell into a coma.

24:42.466 --> 24:47.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> Bellingcat's investigation,
it has gave us answers

24:47.433 --> 24:51.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
that we've been
desperately looking for.

24:51.366 --> 24:53.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
They identified a team

24:53.966 --> 24:58.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of assassins in the service of
the Russian state

24:58.200 --> 25:01.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that had followed my husband

25:01.100 --> 25:03.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
on his trips across Russia

25:03.200 --> 25:07.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
continuously throughout years.
>> So sinister.

25:07.800 --> 25:10.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
>> It is sinister

25:10.333 --> 25:14.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to realize that there is a team
of assassins

25:14.166 --> 25:17.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
whose only job
is to physically eliminate

25:17.766 --> 25:21.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
the opponents of the Russian
government.

25:21.433 --> 25:25.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
A team of assassins in the
service of the Russian state

25:25.066 --> 25:27.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in the 21st century.

25:27.833 --> 25:32.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Yeah, it is,
sinister is not even the word.

25:41.200 --> 25:45.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I mean, when he got back on
his feet

25:45.233 --> 25:47.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and could barely walk,

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I mean the wind could have blown
him away like Mary Poppins.

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And he took his cane
and wobbled back to Moscow.

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Now...

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...he's basically
held by the same people

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who have tried
to kill him twice.

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He was charged
with high treason.

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He's currently facing
up to 24 years

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of strict regime.

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>> OFFICER (in Russian):

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>> (in Russian):

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>> And now Evgenia Kara-Murza,
the wife of Vladimir Kara-Murza.

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And, Evgenia, I really
appreciate your time tonight.

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So your husband was in court
today, I know it was a pre-trial

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hearing and then his
detention period gets extended.

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What can you tell us
about where his case even

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stands right now?

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>> My husband's pre-trial
detention has indeed

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been extended, but the trial,

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the actual trial
is about to start,

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it's gonna be held, uh,
within one to two weeks

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according to
Vladimir's lawyer in Moscow.

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Uh, so we're waiting for,
for it to begin.

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I understand
that the conditions of his uh,

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detention are definitely
not good for his health

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after the two poisonings.

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And I understand that uh,
the symptoms are coming back.

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>> Right, well, Evgenia,

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I appreciate your time,

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grateful to you for
joining us, thank you.

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>> Thank you very much.

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(camera shutters clicking)

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(distant sirens blaring)

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>> Christo Grozev, lead Russia
investigator for Bellingcat.

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Christo was just placed

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(on TV):
on Russia's wanted list.

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So Christo let me just start...

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>> CHRISTO: I was in New York

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working.
>> Why do you think

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Russia and Putin now have just
put you on the wanted list?

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>> CHRISTO: I don't know,
the answer is uh,

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there's no explanation,

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I think it's a fatwa
of some sort,

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I mean it's like a, a message

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that to other journalists
as well that don't come

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and don't meddle into, don't
do investigations in Russia.

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(passing traffic, car horns)

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(din of the train station)

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(train bell ringing)

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Literally, on the way to the
airport I got a message

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from the security services.

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"We just found out there's an

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"imminent and direct threat
to your life

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if you were to land
in any European country."

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♪ ♪

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I think it's the first time
that you stop to think about it.

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(car horn honking)

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Before that the,

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the general threat was almost
like a, a fun thing to know.

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(din of the street)

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And now imminent,
concrete, there.

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♪ ♪

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Don't fly to your home.

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(door closes, keys jingling)

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(places keys down)

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(line ringing out)

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(ringing out continues)

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER
(in Bulgarian, on speaker):

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>> CHRISTO (in Bulgarian):

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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(chuckles)

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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(Christo's father coughs,
sniffles)

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> CHRISTO'S FATHER:

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>> CHRISTO:

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♪ ♪

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(keys clacking)

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(line ringing out,
keys clacking continues)

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(line ringing out continues)

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>> CHRISTO'S WIFE (Bulgarian):
>> CHRISTO (in Bulgarian):

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(sighing):
Did my dad call?

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>> CHRISTO'S WIFE:

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>> CHRISTO (in Bulgarian):

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Just in case.

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>> CHRISTO'S WIFE:

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>> CHRISTO:

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(Christo's wife speaking
Bulgarian)

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>> CHRISTO'S WIFE:

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(Christo speaking Bulgarian)

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>> CHRISTO'S WIFE:

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>> CHRISTO:

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(din of the street)

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>> I think we've known each
other for almost four years now,

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and we speak a lot,
and that was the only time

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when I felt Christo
was completely devastated.

33:41.300 --> 33:45.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Sometimes when you see how much
time Christo invests in work

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you might think that he doesn't
really care about his family

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because he spends
so little time with them.

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But emotionally, they are...

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his home, his cradle.

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His father is so very proud
of what he does,

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and I think that's
very important to Christo.

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And Steph is, I guess,
a person that keeps

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his feet on the ground.

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(car radio playing)

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But now he's living on
the other side of the Atlantic.

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(radio playing continues)

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And the only thing that
seems certain

34:32.400 --> 34:35.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
is that there's people out there
trying to kill him.

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♪ ♪

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(distant siren blaring)

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(din of the street)

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(rustling, movement)

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(distant siren blaring)

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>> CHRISTO: When they get to
a point of putting somebody

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on a kill list,
they don't take that lightly.

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They, they sent an advance team

35:11.133 --> 35:13.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that monitors the locations
that the target goes to

35:13.866 --> 35:16.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
for days, sometimes weeks,

35:16.633 --> 35:18.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
so you have to be careful
every time.

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(beeping)

35:22.666 --> 35:25.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Overall, I need to work out
the plan of

35:25.366 --> 35:29.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
what I'm going to do.

35:29.033 --> 35:30.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And to make things worse,

35:30.400 --> 35:33.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
my dad has not answered
the phone for the last two days.

35:33.166 --> 35:40.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
(line ringing out)

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>> Are you ever able to relax?

35:44.033 --> 35:44.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
(line ringing out continues)

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>> CHRISTO: No, I had a...

35:52.700 --> 35:56.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
a holistic check
on my nervous system,

35:56.933 --> 36:01.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and the doctor showed me
the results,

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and he said he's never seen
anything like this.

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The level of stress in my
system is on a constant level,

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and it doesn't change,

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doesn't fluctuate like it does
with any other person,

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it's just a stacked-up level.

36:15.200 --> 36:19.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And the doctor interpreted that
by saying that

36:19.500 --> 36:23.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
even when I'm asleep
I'm at the same level of stress.

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Um... so the answer is no.

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>> I think most people would say
that constant level of stress

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is understandable.

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>> CHRISTO: Yeah.

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That's what the doctor said
as well.

36:48.266 --> 36:53.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
(line ringing out)

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>> SOPHIA
(in Bulgarian, on speaker):

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>> CHRISTO (in Bulgarian):

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>> SOPHIA:
>> CHRISTO:

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>> SOPHIA:

37:04.400 --> 37:06.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
(both speaking Bulgarian)

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>> CHRISTO:

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>> SOPHIA:

37:16.433 --> 37:17.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
...or something.
>> CHRISTO: Mm-hmm.

37:23.433 --> 37:26.233 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> SOPHIA:

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>> CHRISTO:
Where does he live then?

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>> SOPHIA:
So, he's here occasionally,

37:41.900 --> 37:43.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
but he never spends the night
here ever.

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(in Bulgarian):

37:49.233 --> 37:50.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
...funniest thing in the world.

37:50.800 --> 37:52.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
(in Bulgarian):

37:52.900 --> 37:54.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
...and I am scared.

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(in Bulgarian):

37:56.800 --> 37:58.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
...Christian is gone.

37:58.200 --> 37:59.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I feel like I'm on my own,
(speaking Bulgarian)

37:59.266 --> 38:01.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
We are one big happy family!

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>> CHRISTO:
We've caused havoc, so.

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♪ ♪

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>> If you want to go after
Christo Grozev,

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you, you'd better to kill him
than to injure him.

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♪ ♪

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First of all,
he's very clever person,

38:32.566 --> 38:36.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
all this Sherlock Holmes
illusions that are used

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in the media describing him
are pretty accurate.

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Dictators, they love darkness,
they love silence,

38:47.433 --> 38:51.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
they hate transparency
and this will never change.

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So, if I was Putin I would

38:56.266 --> 38:58.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
definitely kill Christo Grozev;

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without any doubts.

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♪ ♪

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(keys clacking,
doorbell ringing)

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(ringing continues)

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(ringing stops,
high-pitched beeping)

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>> I think by exposing
the plot against Navalny,

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he did something
that he hadn't done before,

39:20.966 --> 39:25.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because he got involved
in Russian domestic politics...

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(weather report
playing on speaker)

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...and that clearly exposed him
to a new level.

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>> CHRISTO: I'll call my dad,
I am really worried

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that he hasn't answered
the, the call three days.

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I'll put it on speaker
just in case he answers, okay?

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(line ringing out)

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(sighs)

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(line ringing out continues)

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I've tried to call him
on a regular call

39:56.233 --> 39:59.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and his phone is off.

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But WhatsApp rings on,
which is weird.

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It doesn't show calling,
but ringing,

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which is strange
if his phone is off.

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And uh, the neighbor
who's very friendly,

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he doesn't get my messages,

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so my wife is calling him
on a regular line now

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trying to get him to go.

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I'm most afraid that
the Russians may have decided

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to use him as a pressure point.

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'Cause he's way too open;

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I mean he's on Facebook
posting photos of me, of him,

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easy to find out where he lives.

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♪ ♪

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So Friday we didn't reach him,

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Saturday we didn't reach him,

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Sunday no answer.

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And then that was
only half of the worry,

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the other half was that

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he hadn't posted anything
on Facebook,

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and he was living on Facebook
since my mum died.

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He actually told me that he has
spent his life,

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which means the last ten years,

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making fun of my mother
for being on Facebook

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and then he discovered
that actually it could be a tool

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to spread the word

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and to engage with
smarter people than you are.

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But he hadn't posted anything
since Thursday.

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So on Sunday evening
I called my friend Karl

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and asked him to go and see
what's happening;

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didn't want to scare my family.

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(bleep)

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So on Sunday,
Karl said he'll drive there,

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then he called me and said
nobody's answering the door,

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no lights are on.

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So then I called the police,

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they said, "we're calling
the fire brigade,"

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because that's the way they get
into houses in Austria.

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Then I got a message,
"we are entering,"

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and then there was nothing.

42:23.433 --> 42:26.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Maybe that was the worst time
of waiting for something.

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An hour later I got a call
from this police officer

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who told me that he was dead.

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They made the...
the apartment a crime scene,

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they sealed it and locked it
because they knew

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that there was this alert that
there's a kill team in Austria.

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So for them it was
an immediate... hypothesis

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that this death
was not just random,

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it might have been just
a, a pretext or a lure

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for me to go back to
a funeral, so.

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(din of the street)

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They're doing an autopsy
as we speak,

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and, uh...

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(sighs) there was a lot of
drama and shock in his life,

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especially
when he found out that,

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that I'm not going back
to Austria

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for the foreseeable future,

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so one can imagine
that it was too much for him.

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And there's a 50% chance
that they killed him.

43:38.033 --> 43:41.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
My problem is that either way
I feel guilty

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because either way if I wasn't
doing what I was doing

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he would probably be alive now.

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(laptop chimes)

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This was the last time
I saw my dad.

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We had just received the news
that "Navalny" the film

44:06.966 --> 44:11.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
was nominated for an Oscar,
and yeah,

44:11.566 --> 44:14.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
he was the happiest person
on earth.

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He was the only member of
the family

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who really was proud
of what I was doing.

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Everybody else finds it
interesting, but questionable

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whether I am doing something
that is worth doing

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and he was always a believer.

44:32.700 --> 44:36.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So in a way, I would lose
my biggest fan and champion,

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so I feel terrible about that.

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♪ ♪

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I found a friend
who's flying a plane to Europe,

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doesn't go to Austria,
goes to another country.

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So just get on that plane
tomorrow morning,

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and I'll clear U.S. Customs,
but I will not be listed

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in any passenger manifest.

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And then I will uh,

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get on a... in a car or a train

45:31.166 --> 45:32.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
but I will not leave any traces,

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I'll not book any...
anything under my name

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and I will sneak into Austria.

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♪ ♪

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I was put up by the
Austrian police in a safe house.

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They didn't let me stay
with my family.

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Actually, they've only let me
see my family a couple of times

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since I arrived here,

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and that has to happen
in a different safe house,

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not even the one
that I'm currently in.

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Roman Dobrokhotov
has been messaging me

46:16.433 --> 46:21.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
saying he has important news
he urgently needs to share.

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(phone ringing)

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>> DOBROKHOTOV
(in Russian, on phone):

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>> CHRISTO (in Russian):

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>> DOBROKHOTOV:

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>> CHRISTO: Mm-hmm.

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>> DOBROKHOTOV:

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>> CHRISTO: (bleep)

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So Roman was visited
by the police.

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I was told that

46:57.666 --> 47:04.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
five residents of the U.K.
were arrested

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because they'd been
spying on him

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and creating... sort of
a daily routine profile on him.

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>> SCHMID (on laptop speaker):
(bleep) (bleep)

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>> CHRISTO: Yeah.

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Then I went to a meeting with
my family at the police station.

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This time
the guys asked me to stay.

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And told me that...

47:31.866 --> 47:34.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
they received information
from intelligence...

47:34.100 --> 47:37.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
a foreign intelligence service

47:37.266 --> 47:42.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
saying that several people
were arrested this week,

47:42.100 --> 47:47.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and on them they found video
and photographic surveillance

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of my house and my family.

47:50.866 --> 47:55.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And then of course, I had to
confront Steph with this,

47:55.200 --> 47:57.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
and it's not going well.

47:59.866 --> 48:02.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
In the confinement
of a safe house

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it's kind of coming to
I can't even have an argument

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with my wife normally.

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(sighs heavily)

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It seems like this
may be the last time

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I'm going to see my town,
my Vienna for a long time.

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I've lived here
for more than 20 years

48:26.633 --> 48:29.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and now I was told
I have to forget about it.

48:33.700 --> 48:35.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
See you on the other side, bye.

48:41.000 --> 48:46.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
(din of the street)

48:46.666 --> 48:51.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

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Being on Putin's kill list
has led to me

48:54.133 --> 48:55.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
being separated from my family.

48:59.800 --> 49:03.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
This is how the regime
likes to play the game;

49:03.033 --> 49:05.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
stripping away the fundamental
things of your life one by one.

49:09.600 --> 49:11.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I've had to quit my role
at Bellingcat too.

49:11.866 --> 49:14.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I've got too many other things
to focus on now.

49:18.133 --> 49:21.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
For months, I've been working
behind the scenes

49:21.000 --> 49:22.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
on a prisoner swap
between Russia and the West.

49:25.000 --> 49:27.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
America, Germany,
and the Kremlin

49:27.200 --> 49:29.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
have been in discussions.

49:29.133 --> 49:32.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
As far as I understand, nothing
is yet definitively agreed,

49:32.133 --> 49:34.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
but time is critical.

49:34.933 --> 49:38.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Both Alexei Navalny's
and Vladimir Kara-Murza's health

49:38.666 --> 49:40.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
are a constant worry to us.

49:41.666 --> 49:43.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
They've both survived
previous poisonings

49:43.300 --> 49:46.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and have been languishing
in jail for a long time.

49:48.566 --> 49:50.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Of course I've been
as vocal as possible...

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>> CHRISTO: Mm-hmm.

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>> ...since the detention,

49:53.400 --> 49:56.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and I've been using
every single platform available

49:56.066 --> 49:58.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to speak out and to scream
as loud as I can.

49:58.966 --> 50:02.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
His life is in danger,
obviously.

50:02.633 --> 50:05.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Because they see him
as a personal enemy,

50:05.566 --> 50:08.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
they've tried to kill him twice,

50:08.400 --> 50:11.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
so putting him in prison
and isolating him,

50:11.000 --> 50:14.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
maybe they're just thinking
that, you know, after the trial

50:14.800 --> 50:16.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
he will be moved
to a high security prison.

50:16.700 --> 50:20.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And my contact with him
will be pretty much severed.

50:20.300 --> 50:23.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
In a high security prison
anything can happen.

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>> CHRISTO: Yeah.
To traitors.

50:25.033 --> 50:27.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> And they--
Yes, to traitors.

50:27.066 --> 50:31.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> CHRISTO: I've been trying to
create an architecture

50:31.666 --> 50:35.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to allow for a swap of all
political prisoners in Russia

50:35.733 --> 50:37.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
for all the spies.
>> You're ambitious.

50:37.766 --> 50:39.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> CHRISTO: Well,
let's say as many as possible.

50:39.600 --> 50:42.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Mm. What do you think
he wants in return?

50:42.766 --> 50:44.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> CHRISTO: Well,
basically this mafia pledge

50:44.666 --> 50:47.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that we don't leave people
behind, because otherwise,

50:47.300 --> 50:49.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
the next people
won't be loyal to me.

50:49.800 --> 50:53.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
He wants some of these,
like the killer in Berlin.

50:53.733 --> 50:55.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
He definitely wants him.
>> Yeah. Okay.

50:55.533 --> 50:57.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
He's his personal killer,

50:57.000 --> 50:58.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
that's what we found out.

51:01.766 --> 51:06.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

51:07.400 --> 51:09.800 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
(in Russian):

51:12.033 --> 51:13.966 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> PROKHOROV
(in Russian, on laptop speaker):

51:23.600 --> 51:24.600 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:

51:24.600 --> 51:26.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> PROKHOROV:

51:34.000 --> 51:36.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
(crowd cheering and applauding)

51:37.033 --> 51:41.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> I think it shows
they are no longer afraid.

51:41.100 --> 51:44.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Trying to kill opponents
secretly means that

51:44.966 --> 51:46.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
you still want to pretend

51:46.300 --> 51:51.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you're a somewhat intact,
democracy-like system.

51:53.200 --> 51:58.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And... in the last couple
of years,

51:58.100 --> 52:01.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that pretension of being
a democratic state has vanished.

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It's gone now.

52:02.300 --> 52:04.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
(cheers and applause)

52:04.000 --> 52:05.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
You can't say anything.

52:05.200 --> 52:08.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
You're not allowed to
call the war a war.

52:08.933 --> 52:14.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
That is a fully
totalitarian approach.

52:14.633 --> 52:18.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Well, it's the
Soviet Union reloaded.

52:18.066 --> 52:21.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> It was clear after
the Navalny poisoning for me

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that he's not just a kind of
"rational politician"

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who just want to keep
power forever.

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I think every month
we see something

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that never happened before

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'cause we don't have to pretend

52:35.100 --> 52:36.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that you're a normal person
anymore.

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Everyone knows who Putin is

52:39.833 --> 52:45.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
so the tempo of escalation
is growing.

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(speaking Russian)

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(voiceover): There was
a very big wave of arrests

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and pressure in Russia.

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FSB broke into my apartment,

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which meant that I need to leave
the country immediately.

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(speaking Russian)

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♪ ♪

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But some other people stayed.

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♪ ♪

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(din of the street)

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>> (in Russian):

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(journalists talking in Russian)

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>> (in Russian):

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♪ ♪

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>> His health has been actually
deteriorating quite rapidly.

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These poisoning attacks

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resulted in
peripheral nerve damage,

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and he's developed
symptoms of polyneuropathy

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in both his feet and
his left hand,

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which means that he's basically
losing feeling in his feet

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and his hand and
cannot use his feet properly.

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This diagnosis
can actually lead to paralysis.

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>> So he'd been poisoned twice,

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you both knew the risks of
returning of Russia,

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you must have asked him
not to go.

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>> You know, trying to convince
him not to go back to Russia,

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trying to convince him
would be trying to convince him

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to give up his work.

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That would mean that
I'm not accepting him as he is

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but that I want him to change.

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Would I want him to change?

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No, because I admire and love
him for who he is;

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exactly this
particular, specific person.

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(indistinct chatter)

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I believe that it is harder
to kill someone

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when the entire world
is watching,

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so I'm trying to be
as loud as I can.

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For years, I'm trying to
attract as much attention

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to Vladimir's case.

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(inaudible dialogue)

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(voiceover):
And because I want...

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I want to get Vladimir back,

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and first of all,
I want him to survive this.

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(indistinct chatter)

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Is it scary to face
a monstrous repressive regime?

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Oh yes,
there are no doubts about that.

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And in the words of
U.S. President Roosevelt,

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courage is not
the absence of fear,

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but rather the assessment
that something else

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is more important than fear.

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I couldn't be prouder
of my husband

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and couldn't wish for a better
example for my kids to follow.

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(applause)

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♪ ♪

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>> Does the threat to you,
the threat to your family,

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does it make you consider
just walking away?

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>> CHRISTO: On my own, I would
not have had that thought.

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But that thought, um,
has been suggested to me

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by both friends and family,
so it has to be on the agenda.

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The problem is that
walking away

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is going to marginally
reduce the risk,

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cause this entity, this,

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this regime, uh,
is very vengeful.

57:43.400 --> 57:46.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
And uh, with my father's death

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the fact that I could not say
a proper goodbye to him,

57:49.600 --> 57:51.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and that I had to be here
in the first place...

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...is hard to forgive.

57:57.700 --> 58:01.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Yeah, I mean I have, I haven't
dealt with the grief

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and the guilt, um.

58:03.300 --> 58:07.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Yeah, that's part for later.

58:07.733 --> 58:13.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Survival and keeping my family
together is priority now.

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♪ ♪

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♪ ♪

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>> Across the front pages, there
are photographs of the people

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suspected of being
Russian spies in the U.K.

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>> The defendants
are all Bulgarian nationals

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who have lived in the U.K.
for years,

58:53.100 --> 58:54.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
working in a variety of jobs...

58:54.566 --> 58:55.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Orlin Roussev,
Bizer Dzhambazov

58:55.766 --> 58:57.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and Katrin Ivanova

58:57.666 --> 58:59.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
were arrested under the Official

58:59.633 --> 59:01.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Secrets Act in February,

59:01.300 --> 59:03.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
with properties searched
in London

59:03.266 --> 59:04.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and Great Yarmouth.

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>> We heard on Friday that these
three men and two women

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were going to be appearing

59:08.466 --> 59:10.400 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
here at
Westminster Magistrates' Court,

59:10.400 --> 59:13.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
they are all aged between
29 and 45 years old.

59:13.800 --> 59:17.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> It is alleged this group were
involved in surveillance

59:17.566 --> 59:20.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and that this surveillance was
apparently for the purpose

59:20.933 --> 59:22.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of assisting Russia to carry out

59:22.733 --> 59:27.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
hostile action,
including potential abductions.

59:37.533 --> 59:39.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

59:41.366 --> 59:43.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> CHRISTO: Dear chairman,
honorable committee members,

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let me start by asserting that
the notion of exclusively

59:45.933 --> 59:48.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
domestic repression is
a misconception in my view.

59:51.466 --> 59:53.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I discovered that
Russian intelligence officers

59:53.266 --> 59:56.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
had surveilled and tailed me
for nearly two years.

59:56.900 --> 59:59.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Regrettably, I am not at
liberty to disclose

59:59.333 --> 01:00:00.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the specifics of this operation

01:00:00.966 --> 01:00:02.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
as the case is currently under
official investigation

01:00:02.700 --> 01:00:04.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in several countries.

01:00:04.033 --> 01:00:05.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
The overarching

01:00:05.433 --> 01:00:08.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
objective of these repressive
operations appear to be

01:00:08.033 --> 01:00:09.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
either assassination

01:00:09.600 --> 01:00:13.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
or intimidation through
the threat of assassination.

01:00:13.266 --> 01:00:15.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Russia's regime has been
permitted to persecute

01:00:15.866 --> 01:00:17.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
its opponents domestically

01:00:17.066 --> 01:00:19.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
without legal consequences
for decades.

01:00:19.100 --> 01:00:22.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They remain incentivized to
treat the rest of the world

01:00:22.166 --> 01:00:24.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
as a playground for pursuing

01:00:24.266 --> 01:00:25.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
their so-called
national interest

01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:28.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
against an ever-expanding
list of targets.

01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:30.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Thank you very much.

01:00:30.666 --> 01:00:35.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
(distant siren blaring,
phone chimes)

01:00:42.433 --> 01:00:45.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
When the law enforcement agency

01:00:45.100 --> 01:00:48.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
told me I shouldn't go back
to Europe,

01:00:48.233 --> 01:00:50.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
they didn't volunteer
information about

01:00:50.133 --> 01:00:51.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
where the risk comes from,

01:00:51.633 --> 01:00:55.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
they hinted strongly that it's
related to my investigations,

01:00:55.600 --> 01:00:58.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to the work we've done at
Bellingcat over the years,

01:00:58.233 --> 01:01:01.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
so I had to find out
who it might have been.

01:01:01.900 --> 01:01:06.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Then the British police arrests
five Bulgarians.

01:01:06.633 --> 01:01:09.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So I started looking at the
names of the Bulgarians,

01:01:09.233 --> 01:01:11.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and the leader of the pack,
Orlin Roussev,

01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I went back through, what,
eight years of investigations

01:01:14.966 --> 01:01:17.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and we found him
in dozens of messages

01:01:17.633 --> 01:01:20.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
with another forgotten
object of investigation

01:01:20.933 --> 01:01:22.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
which was Jan Marsalek.

01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:28.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> When he told me he thought
Marsalek was behind it...

01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:35.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
...I thought he'd, Christo had
gone finally, he'd gone crazy.

01:01:35.100 --> 01:01:38.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:01:38.966 --> 01:01:43.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Jan Marsalek is one of the most
wanted people in Germany,

01:01:43.166 --> 01:01:45.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because he had mounted
the biggest corporate fraud

01:01:45.233 --> 01:01:46.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
ever in German history.

01:01:49.533 --> 01:01:53.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
He was the
chief operating officer

01:01:53.366 --> 01:01:56.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of Wirecard, which was

01:01:56.366 --> 01:01:59.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
one of the biggest publicly
traded companies in Germany.

01:01:59.600 --> 01:02:01.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> From the payments giant
Wirecard,

01:02:01.633 --> 01:02:03.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
shares jumping more than
6% there.

01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:06.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
>> The company went bust because

01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:11.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
it had invented 1.9 billion
euros into its balance sheet

01:02:11.266 --> 01:02:13.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that supposedly were never
there.

01:02:13.600 --> 01:02:15.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
>> Just quickly to Wirecard, uh,

01:02:15.466 --> 01:02:16.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
we saw some stock action
this morning,

01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:19.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
that stock falling again
heavily down 27%,

01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:21.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
we've had news of

01:02:21.366 --> 01:02:23.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
a police raid on its
headquarters

01:02:23.100 --> 01:02:24.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and four other properties
as, uh,

01:02:24.866 --> 01:02:26.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
authorities continue
to gather evidence.

01:02:26.433 --> 01:02:28.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
(siren blaring)

01:02:28.533 --> 01:02:31.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
And then Jan Marsalek vanished.

01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:32.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
One place where we found him
to have

01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
crossed the border was Belarus;

01:02:35.733 --> 01:02:38.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
a private plane.

01:02:38.733 --> 01:02:41.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
By going back through his
past travel,

01:02:41.066 --> 01:02:42.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
we found out that he had
gone to Russia

01:02:42.933 --> 01:02:47.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I think more than 50 times
in the last few years.

01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:50.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> And then Christo, by
analyzing the migration files,

01:02:50.933 --> 01:02:54.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
saw that Marsalek was stopped
while trying to exit Russia

01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:58.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in 2017 and was kept there for
several hours,

01:02:58.566 --> 01:03:01.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
and at the time
he said this may be

01:03:01.566 --> 01:03:02.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
the very instant
they recruited him.

01:03:05.900 --> 01:03:11.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I hope we find out what really
is behind it very soon.

01:03:11.033 --> 01:03:13.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I think the idea of him being
half-blackmailed,

01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:17.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
half-seduced into this world
is a very good one.

01:03:17.700 --> 01:03:22.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:03:31.866 --> 01:03:34.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Why does Jan Marsalek
have a grudge against you?

01:03:35.366 --> 01:03:38.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> CHRISTO: I would imagine it's
a favor to the Russian state,

01:03:38.366 --> 01:03:42.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
plus some personal satisfaction
because uh,

01:03:42.566 --> 01:03:46.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
we outed him, uh,
for defecting to Russia.

01:03:46.566 --> 01:03:48.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Are you afraid?

01:03:50.700 --> 01:03:56.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> CHRISTO: I have no...
object, subjective sense of fear

01:03:56.533 --> 01:03:59.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that they followed me,
I have a feeling of terror

01:03:59.566 --> 01:04:02.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
that they were following
my family

01:04:02.566 --> 01:04:05.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
or taking photographs
of my family.

01:04:05.433 --> 01:04:10.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I asked the Americans, I asked,
uh, some other law enforcement

01:04:10.133 --> 01:04:12.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and they said that
under the old rules,

01:04:12.700 --> 01:04:15.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
my family would be safe.

01:04:15.066 --> 01:04:18.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Whether there are new rules
of the game, nobody knows.

01:04:20.966 --> 01:04:24.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:04:26.700 --> 01:04:29.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
(phone ringing)

01:04:29.600 --> 01:04:34.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
(ringing continues)

01:04:34.166 --> 01:04:36.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
>> SOPHIA (on speaker): Hi.
>> CHRISTO: Hi, hi.

01:04:36.733 --> 01:04:39.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
So the police have been at home?

01:04:39.933 --> 01:04:43.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
>> SOPHIA: But there were like
five or six of the

01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
(speaking Bulgarian) men
in these white, white coats

01:04:48.100 --> 01:04:51.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and all white clothing,
they tracked like fingerprints

01:04:51.933 --> 01:04:54.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and whatever they could do and
they said they'll have results

01:04:54.733 --> 01:04:56.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
at some point but not yet.

01:04:56.300 --> 01:04:58.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
So what did they tell you?

01:04:58.266 --> 01:05:00.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
>> SOPHIA: Um, so they have

01:05:00.666 --> 01:05:03.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
printed messages
and they sent a message

01:05:03.933 --> 01:05:05.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
to someone called Jan Marsalek

01:05:05.966 --> 01:05:08.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and they said that they got into
our apartment

01:05:08.133 --> 01:05:11.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and got a laptop of yours.

01:05:11.333 --> 01:05:12.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They've been planning this
for like, days

01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:14.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
or weeks or months or years.
>> CHRISTO: Yeah.

01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:16.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> SOPHIA: They've been
watching; they had to wait

01:05:16.533 --> 01:05:19.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
until they saw
everybody leave the apartment.

01:05:21.266 --> 01:05:22.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
>> CHRISTO: Do you feel scared?

01:05:24.566 --> 01:05:26.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> SOPHIA: No, well they told us
to take it very seriously,

01:05:26.933 --> 01:05:28.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
but not to panic,
whatever that means.

01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
But, the guy said that right now

01:05:31.333 --> 01:05:33.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
is the most unsafe time for you,
so.

01:05:34.233 --> 01:05:36.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> CHRISTO: Really?
>> SOPHIA: Yeah.

01:05:36.166 --> 01:05:38.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Just so you know.

01:05:42.933 --> 01:05:44.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
(sighs)

01:05:45.866 --> 01:05:49.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
(distant traffic)

01:05:49.866 --> 01:05:52.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
>> This is CNN breaking news.

01:05:52.666 --> 01:05:55.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> And we are just coming back,
joining you with breaking news.

01:05:55.466 --> 01:05:59.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
CNN has learned that
Alexei Navalny has died.

01:05:59.100 --> 01:06:01.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
That's according to the
Russian prison serv--

01:06:01.200 --> 01:06:02.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
prison service, rather.

01:06:02.666 --> 01:06:04.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I want to go straight
to Nick Paton Walsh.

01:06:04.633 --> 01:06:06.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Nick, as we get this news.

01:06:06.366 --> 01:06:08.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
There had been some movement,
of course,

01:06:08.533 --> 01:06:10.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
in the last several weeks.

01:06:10.100 --> 01:06:13.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
He had been moved to this
very difficult work camp

01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:15.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
up by the Arctic Circle.

01:06:15.066 --> 01:06:16.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
What more are we learning
this morning

01:06:16.933 --> 01:06:19.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
about when this may have
happened?

01:06:19.233 --> 01:06:21.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And are there any potential
details at this point?

01:06:21.833 --> 01:06:24.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> Yeah, look, I should couch
this in that what we have

01:06:24.500 --> 01:06:27.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
at the moment are reports from
Russian state media,

01:06:27.033 --> 01:06:29.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
but frankly, given how the
information system

01:06:29.033 --> 01:06:31.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
in Russia works...

01:06:35.866 --> 01:06:39.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> CHRISTO: Just last night, I
was talking with Maria Pevchikh.

01:06:39.033 --> 01:06:41.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She's the head of Navalny's
anti-corruption fund,

01:06:41.633 --> 01:06:45.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
saying we're so close now with
the prisoner swap.

01:06:45.066 --> 01:06:48.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Germany are fully behind us.

01:06:48.266 --> 01:06:51.666 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
And she said,
"What if he kills him now?"

01:06:51.666 --> 01:06:54.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
I said, "No,
why would he kill him now?"

01:06:54.166 --> 01:06:56.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
She says, "You don't know him.

01:06:56.233 --> 01:06:57.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"You don't know Putin,
he's a psychopath.

01:06:57.833 --> 01:07:02.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"He might decide now that he's
gotten the Germans far enough.

01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"He's gotten the Americans
far enough.

01:07:05.233 --> 01:07:08.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"And he will just remove Navalny
from the equation

01:07:08.233 --> 01:07:10.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"and he'll still get the deal.

01:07:10.100 --> 01:07:11.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
That's how he thinks."

01:07:11.666 --> 01:07:14.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I said, "No, no, no, that's
not, that's not possible.

01:07:14.966 --> 01:07:16.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"I mean, he will know that
the Germans

01:07:16.700 --> 01:07:20.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
will never hand over Krasikov
after, if this were to happen."

01:07:20.133 --> 01:07:22.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She said, "Just wait and see."

01:07:22.566 --> 01:07:27.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And now... now it just happened.

01:07:29.633 --> 01:07:33.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
I think...

01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:34.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
...it feels even worse,

01:07:34.633 --> 01:07:39.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
because the hope of getting
him out was so realistic.

01:07:39.066 --> 01:07:42.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
(sighs) I don't know how
I'm going to face his kids,

01:07:42.900 --> 01:07:45.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
his daughter, his, his wife,

01:07:45.133 --> 01:07:49.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because I had given them
a little bit of hope.

01:07:53.666 --> 01:07:54.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
The swap,

01:07:54.966 --> 01:07:56.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and the future of
political prisoners in Russia,

01:07:56.866 --> 01:07:58.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
is now far more uncertain.

01:08:08.466 --> 01:08:11.066 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
So it's,
it's a terrible feeling.

01:08:29.966 --> 01:08:32.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Not long afterwards,
the trial of the Bulgarians

01:08:32.633 --> 01:08:34.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Marsalek hired to target me
got started.

01:08:36.733 --> 01:08:38.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And I finally got to see
messages

01:08:38.233 --> 01:08:40.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
they all sent to each other.

01:08:44.333 --> 01:08:46.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Marsalek writes: "I think it
would be a good start

01:08:46.766 --> 01:08:50.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"if we would have somebody to
sniff around a bit Grozev's home

01:08:50.133 --> 01:08:53.300 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"and to see
where he usually goes,

01:08:53.300 --> 01:08:55.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
e.g. identify his car
and place a tracker."

01:08:57.200 --> 01:09:00.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Ten days later...

01:09:00.166 --> 01:09:02.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Some f-ing genius just
suggested again

01:09:02.533 --> 01:09:07.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
to kidnap Grozev and to take him
to Moscow," writes Marsalek.

01:09:07.033 --> 01:09:10.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Orlin Roussev responds:
"If you're serious about it,

01:09:10.233 --> 01:09:11.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
"and if Grozev is in Bulgaria,

01:09:11.733 --> 01:09:13.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"I have the resources to kidnap,
drug him,

01:09:13.466 --> 01:09:16.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"and lock him up in
a secure cave.

01:09:16.333 --> 01:09:18.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"Also, we have explored a
convenient place

01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:21.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"for a more permanent base
to watch over his entrance.

01:09:21.100 --> 01:09:23.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"We're testing two cameras as
planned for his father's

01:09:23.733 --> 01:09:27.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"apartment to install,
and one at the parking

01:09:27.233 --> 01:09:30.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
next to the car."

01:09:30.166 --> 01:09:32.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
They were planning to install

01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:34.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
cameras at
my father's apartment.

01:09:34.166 --> 01:09:36.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Then later that night:

01:09:36.066 --> 01:09:39.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"Tomorrow, we'll start testing
the scenarios for an ambush.

01:09:39.666 --> 01:09:41.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"I definitely have at least one

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:43.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"with a bit of
sadistic attitude,

01:09:43.366 --> 01:09:45.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"who would love to be
trained how to kill...

01:09:45.333 --> 01:09:49.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
...and to kill painfully,
not just with one shot".

01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:53.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Then Marsalek writes:

01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:55.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"If we would find someone,
we could contract

01:09:55.266 --> 01:09:57.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"for a suicide attack on him,
that would be the best.

01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"Attacks him,
cuts off his head in the street

01:10:01.533 --> 01:10:03.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and then blows up himself."

01:10:04.900 --> 01:10:06.166 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Jesus.

01:10:07.333 --> 01:10:09.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> Is this beyond-- I mean,
you obviously knew headlines

01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:10.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
from the "Met," but is this--

01:10:10.733 --> 01:10:11.900 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
No, this is way beyond,

01:10:11.900 --> 01:10:14.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
I mean...

01:10:14.566 --> 01:10:16.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
...they never told me
what the plans were.

01:10:16.433 --> 01:10:19.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
They, they never told me

01:10:19.533 --> 01:10:21.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
that they went
to my dad's apartment,

01:10:21.566 --> 01:10:23.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
other than that photo
they showed.

01:10:23.300 --> 01:10:27.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
But they seem to have--
and the concept of an ambush,

01:10:27.466 --> 01:10:30.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and let alone the decapitation.

01:10:30.133 --> 01:10:31.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
I mean, no, obviously nobody
told me that before.

01:10:34.333 --> 01:10:37.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It's clearly distressing
to read it.

01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:41.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Second of November:

01:10:41.733 --> 01:10:45.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"We have two people in Vienna
on an almost constant basis.

01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:48.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"They brought special gas.

01:10:48.833 --> 01:10:52.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"So their suggestion is to wait
Grozev to fall asleep.

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Then they release the gas
inside the apartment."

01:10:55.333 --> 01:10:58.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
Jesus.

01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Marsalek writes: "Now that
would be (bleep) glorious."

01:11:01.833 --> 01:11:05.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"And then burglarize everything

01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:07.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
while he's dead sleeping."

01:11:10.633 --> 01:11:11.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> That's your home in Vienna.

01:11:11.866 --> 01:11:13.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
That's my home in Vienna.

01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
With my family and my kids
there.

01:11:17.900 --> 01:11:19.666 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
(sighs)

01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
(bleep)

01:11:27.133 --> 01:11:30.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> Police!
Police, stay where you are!

01:11:30.466 --> 01:11:31.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Police! Stay there!

01:11:31.933 --> 01:11:33.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Stay there, stay there,
stay there!

01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Show me your hands!
Get in there, get in there!

01:11:36.566 --> 01:11:39.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> Some more breaking news
to bring you now.

01:11:39.033 --> 01:11:40.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Three Bulgarians have been
found guilty

01:11:40.566 --> 01:11:42.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
of spying for Russia.

01:11:42.700 --> 01:11:44.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Of being part of a spy unit,
in fact,

01:11:44.300 --> 01:11:46.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
run by Wirecard fugitive

01:11:46.333 --> 01:11:49.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
Jan Marsalek.

01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:55.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> Roussev moved to the U.K. as
a businessman over 15 years ago.

01:11:55.066 --> 01:11:57.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
After being recruited as a
Russian spy,

01:11:57.866 --> 01:11:59.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
he recruited other Bulgarians

01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
working in normal jobs
to carry out

01:12:02.366 --> 01:12:05.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
surveillance,
including Bizer Dzhambazov

01:12:05.366 --> 01:12:06.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
and girlfriend

01:12:06.933 --> 01:12:09.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Katrin Ivanova:

01:12:09.133 --> 01:12:13.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
a couple who ran courses in
London teaching British values.

01:12:13.400 --> 01:12:15.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> Introduction
to British values...

01:12:15.700 --> 01:12:18.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Throughout Europe
they spied on journalists

01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:21.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Christo Grozev
and Roman Dobrokhotov,

01:12:21.100 --> 01:12:25.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who exposed Russia's role in the
Salisbury nerve agent attack,

01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:29.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
with the cell deploying these
spy glasses to film them.

01:12:29.466 --> 01:12:33.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Using the glasses to film
Christo Grozev on a plane.

01:12:35.766 --> 01:12:38.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Sending the footage
in real time to the cell.

01:12:46.066 --> 01:12:48.433 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:12:48.433 --> 01:12:50.033 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50%
(sighs)

01:12:50.033 --> 01:12:52.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
>> (softly): Okay.

01:12:54.766 --> 01:12:56.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
Vladimir Kara-Murza's last
statement

01:12:56.566 --> 01:12:58.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
to Russian court.

01:13:00.066 --> 01:13:03.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
(in Russian):

01:13:26.566 --> 01:13:29.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
"As a historian, this is an
occasion for reflection.

01:13:29.566 --> 01:13:32.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"At one point during my
testimony,

01:13:32.033 --> 01:13:33.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
"the presiding judge reminded me

01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"that one of the extenuating
circumstances was remorse

01:13:37.466 --> 01:13:39.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"for what the accused has done,

01:13:39.366 --> 01:13:42.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"and although there is little
that's amusing

01:13:42.266 --> 01:13:46.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"about my present situation,
I could not help smiling.

01:13:46.266 --> 01:13:49.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"I'm in jail
for my political views,

01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:52.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"for speaking out against
the war in Ukraine,

01:13:52.100 --> 01:13:53.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"for many years of struggle

01:13:53.333 --> 01:13:55.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"against Vladimir Putin's
dictatorship.

01:13:55.900 --> 01:13:59.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Not only do I not repent of any
of this, I am proud of it."

01:14:00.766 --> 01:14:03.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> (in Russian):

01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> "I know the verdict,
I knew it a year ago

01:14:07.900 --> 01:14:11.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"when I saw people in
black uniforms and black masks

01:14:11.300 --> 01:14:13.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"running after my car.

01:14:13.566 --> 01:14:16.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Such is the price for
speaking up in Russia today."

01:14:19.133 --> 01:14:23.866 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> (in Russian):

01:14:35.233 --> 01:14:37.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
>> "But I also know that the day

01:14:37.400 --> 01:14:39.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"will come when the darkness
over our country

01:14:39.566 --> 01:14:42.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"will dissipate,
when black will be called black

01:14:42.533 --> 01:14:44.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
"and white will be called white,

01:14:44.766 --> 01:14:47.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
"when a war
will be called a war,

01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"and when those who kindled
and unleashed this war

01:14:49.933 --> 01:14:52.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"rather than those
who tried to stop it,

01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:55.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"will be recognized as
criminals.

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"This day will come as
inevitably

01:14:57.633 --> 01:14:58.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"as spring follows even

01:14:58.966 --> 01:15:02.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"the coldest winter
and then our society will open

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"its eyes and be horrified by
what terrible crimes

01:15:05.366 --> 01:15:07.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"were committed on his behalf.

01:15:11.433 --> 01:15:13.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
"From this realization,

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"from this reflection,
the long difficult

01:15:16.333 --> 01:15:18.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"but vital path toward
the recovery

01:15:18.766 --> 01:15:21.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"and restoration of Russia,
its return to the community

01:15:21.933 --> 01:15:24.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"of civilized countries,
will begin.

01:15:26.166 --> 01:15:29.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Even today, even in the
darkness surrounding us,

01:15:29.166 --> 01:15:31.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
"even sitting in this cage,

01:15:31.133 --> 01:15:34.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I love my country
and believe in our people."

01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> (in Russian):

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> "I believe that
we can walk this path."

01:15:53.966 --> 01:15:56.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
>> Breaking news.
Fast moving, breaking news.

01:15:56.700 --> 01:15:59.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Per a senior
administration official,

01:15:59.266 --> 01:16:00.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
there is a prisoner swap
underway right now

01:16:00.933 --> 01:16:02.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
between Russia, the United
States, and other countries.

01:16:02.533 --> 01:16:04.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
That is all we know.
That is all we can say.

01:16:04.733 --> 01:16:06.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
That is all we can report
at this moment.

01:16:06.566 --> 01:16:08.733 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:16:08.733 --> 01:16:10.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> Following
Alexei Navalny's death,

01:16:10.566 --> 01:16:12.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
we thought this hope
was lost with him.

01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:16.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
But in the background,
negotiations continued,

01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:20.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
insisting that this time Putin
must pay a much

01:16:20.533 --> 01:16:23.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
higher price
for his assassin, Krasikov.

01:16:26.166 --> 01:16:28.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
In the end, 16 people

01:16:28.933 --> 01:16:31.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
were released by the Kremlin,
including American reporter

01:16:31.766 --> 01:16:33.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
Evan Gershkovich,

01:16:34.966 --> 01:16:38.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan,

01:16:38.400 --> 01:16:40.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
Russian critics Oleg Orlov,

01:16:40.566 --> 01:16:44.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Ilya Yashin,
and Vladimir Kara-Murza.

01:16:44.166 --> 01:16:45.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:16:45.966 --> 01:16:46.966 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> VLADIMIR
(in Russian, on speaker):

01:16:46.966 --> 01:16:49.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> (in Russian):

01:16:49.633 --> 01:16:50.766 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> VLADIMIR:

01:16:50.766 --> 01:16:52.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
>> VLADIMIR'S DAUGHTER:

01:16:52.433 --> 01:16:53.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
(sniffles)

01:16:53.433 --> 01:16:54.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> VLADIMIR:

01:16:54.433 --> 01:16:57.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
>> VLADIMIR'S DAUGHTER:

01:16:57.266 --> 01:16:59.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> VLADIMIR:

01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:00.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
>> VLADIMIR'S DAUGHTER:

01:17:02.333 --> 01:17:04.466 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
>> VLADIMIR:

01:17:31.833 --> 01:17:33.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
It's important to remember

01:17:33.033 --> 01:17:34.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
that the regime
of Vladimir Putin

01:17:34.866 --> 01:17:36.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
is not just
an authoritarian regime,

01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:37.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
it is a regime of murderers.

01:17:43.900 --> 01:17:49.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Each of us was accompanied by
our personal FSB officer.

01:17:51.833 --> 01:17:55.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The moment our plane
was taking off, he told me,

01:17:55.533 --> 01:17:57.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"Look out the window,
that's the last time

01:17:57.600 --> 01:17:59.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
you're seeing your motherland."
(laughs)

01:17:59.900 --> 01:18:03.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I told him, "Look, man,
I'm a historian by education.

01:18:03.033 --> 01:18:07.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"I don't only... feel.

01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:08.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
"I don't only believe.

01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
"I know that I'll be back
in my home country,

01:18:12.266 --> 01:18:14.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and it'll be much quicker
than you think."

01:18:14.366 --> 01:18:19.300 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:18:39.633 --> 01:18:44.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

01:19:25.966 --> 01:19:27.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
>> CHRISTO:
The autopsy results came back

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
but they're inconclusive.

01:19:33.066 --> 01:19:36.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So I will never know for sure
what happened to my dad.

01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Yeah, usually I would knock
and he will open,

01:19:46.366 --> 01:19:50.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and he'll like be
full of energy and smiling,

01:19:50.466 --> 01:19:52.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
and start telling me about
his new theory

01:19:52.533 --> 01:19:55.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
on how to get rid of Putin.

01:20:01.066 --> 01:20:03.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
>> I guess when you're on
the other side of the world,

01:20:03.533 --> 01:20:05.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
it's easier to think of it
in the abstract.

01:20:05.833 --> 01:20:07.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
>> CHRISTO: Exactly.

01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And the whole drive to here,
I mean you, like,

01:20:11.533 --> 01:20:14.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
hundreds of times
it ended up with a,

01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:18.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
with something I was
looking forward, 35 minutes,

01:20:18.466 --> 01:20:23.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
just have a beer with him or a
coffee, mandatory coffee.

01:20:25.466 --> 01:20:29.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
With... earlier with him
and my mum

01:20:29.466 --> 01:20:33.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
and now just with him
for the last year, and now uh,

01:20:33.400 --> 01:20:37.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
I still had the sort of
exhilaration during the trip,

01:20:37.633 --> 01:20:40.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
subconsciously,
but it stops here.

01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
They've attempted to infiltrate
every part of my life.

01:20:53.333 --> 01:20:55.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
Now, I can't trust anyone,

01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
because the threat to me
remains unchanged.

01:21:02.900 --> 01:21:08.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
It's almost like a...
bounty system

01:21:08.733 --> 01:21:11.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
from the old wild west
where you don't know how many

01:21:11.066 --> 01:21:14.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
killers are out there for you,

01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:16.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
because there's an order,
a kill order.

01:21:16.900 --> 01:21:21.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So basically there's a, a coin
or a medal or whatever

01:21:21.400 --> 01:21:23.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
that's given to several people

01:21:23.533 --> 01:21:27.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
who are pursuing this outcome
for the Kremlin.

01:21:27.633 --> 01:21:33.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
So that's why there's no way to
investigate myself out of it.

01:21:33.266 --> 01:21:36.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
The only hope is
for this regime to fall

01:21:36.400 --> 01:21:40.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
before the order
is fulfilled by somebody.

01:21:44.633 --> 01:21:50.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50%
♪ ♪

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01:22:37.266 --> 01:22:39.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
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01:22:39.733 --> 01:22:43.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
opponents domestically without
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01:22:43.200 --> 01:22:45.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
They remain incentivized to
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01:22:45.733 --> 01:22:47.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
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