WEBVTT 00:05.100 --> 00:08.166 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% (car engine humming) 00:09.933 --> 00:12.566 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (upbeat music) 00:33.100 --> 00:33.933 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% (anticipatory music) 00:43.400 --> 00:48.233 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (shovel scraping) 00:51.466 --> 00:56.433 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (paintbrush swishing) 01:02.166 --> 01:05.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I actually like the term "activist artist," 01:05.333 --> 01:07.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% much better than "political artist," 01:07.066 --> 01:09.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% mostly because people pigeonhole you that way. 01:09.966 --> 01:12.500 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (upbeat music) 01:14.566 --> 01:17.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And I'm not just a political artist, 01:17.500 --> 01:21.633 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I use my art to tell stories. 01:21.633 --> 01:24.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I use my art to make people think. 01:24.000 --> 01:27.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I use my art to entertain my community, 01:27.833 --> 01:30.033 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and also to find out who I am. 01:30.033 --> 01:32.633 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (upbeat music) 01:46.466 --> 01:48.566 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% I fell in love 01:48.566 --> 01:51.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with painting when I was teaching nursery school 01:51.233 --> 01:52.533 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% and the kids were painting 01:54.800 --> 01:57.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and I just wanted to paint. 01:57.233 --> 01:59.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would paint sometimes 12 hours a day. 01:59.666 --> 02:03.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And some days, I was painting so many hours, 02:03.100 --> 02:05.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that in the morning it felt like the little fairies had come 02:05.866 --> 02:07.266 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and finished my painting, 02:07.266 --> 02:10.266 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I didn't remember at what stage I had left it, 02:10.266 --> 02:14.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and sometimes the paintings just felt done by somebody else. 02:14.733 --> 02:18.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And it was always something exciting, magical. 02:18.200 --> 02:20.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I usually have four or five, 02:20.400 --> 02:22.200 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% six paintings going at once. 02:22.200 --> 02:24.700 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (piano music) 02:37.600 --> 02:40.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I like how things appear, you didn't plan on. 02:40.566 --> 02:45.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And now that I have cataracts, my God (laughs) 02:46.700 --> 02:49.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I am seeing so many things in my paintings. 02:49.066 --> 02:50.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% So you know, it's just like, 02:50.300 --> 02:52.066 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% this little smudge all of a sudden, 02:52.066 --> 02:53.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% determines what the painting is, 02:53.600 --> 02:55.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% 'cause I see something there. 02:55.266 --> 02:57.733 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (piano music) 03:05.033 --> 03:09.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I love the give and the take, the painting talks to me. 03:09.200 --> 03:11.700 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (piano music) 03:31.200 --> 03:34.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I'll avoid painting for the morning, 03:34.266 --> 03:36.500 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% part of the morning, often. 03:43.300 --> 03:44.500 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% And like this morning, 03:44.500 --> 03:47.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I went out skating from eight to nine. 03:47.300 --> 03:49.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% It was beautiful, absolutely beautiful, 03:49.633 --> 03:50.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% before the ice got too soft 03:52.166 --> 03:57.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And then I'll avoid painting for a bit longer. (laughs) 03:59.533 --> 04:00.333 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And I'll finally sit down, 04:00.333 --> 04:01.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and then I have 04:01.666 --> 04:04.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to just always get up every 10 or 15 minutes, 04:04.200 --> 04:06.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because I'm sitting on something that's not that comfortable 04:06.700 --> 04:08.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I'm getting older and stiff. 04:08.533 --> 04:11.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So, sometimes I'll take a nap at 10 at night, 04:11.433 --> 04:15.166 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% for half hour or an hour, and then I'll stay up till two. 04:15.166 --> 04:18.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Painting is, it's just that ultimate challenge. 04:18.100 --> 04:19.366 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% I'm never satisfied. 04:19.366 --> 04:21.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I might be satisfied for an hour, 04:21.266 --> 04:22.933 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% or for a day or two or three. 04:22.933 --> 04:24.600 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% But since I don't usually know 04:24.600 --> 04:26.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% what it's gonna look like ahead of time, 04:26.266 --> 04:28.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% there's always that excitement. 04:28.366 --> 04:30.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% You know, creating something you've never seen before 04:30.500 --> 04:32.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and trying to figure out what it's about. 04:41.200 --> 04:42.766 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (old-time TV music) 04:46.533 --> 04:49.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Hey Kathy, why are we up so high? 04:49.433 --> 04:52.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - We're out to change the world, Natasha. 04:54.666 --> 04:57.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Hey Kathy, you haven't seen what I did 04:57.066 --> 04:59.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with the present you brought me. 05:01.100 --> 05:02.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - What present? 05:02.333 --> 05:06.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - You brought me a box of fluorescent paint. 05:07.500 --> 05:08.666 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% - [Kathy] Wow. 05:08.666 --> 05:10.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - That you had seen a lot of them, 05:10.166 --> 05:12.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and I went back in with a fluorescent paint. (laughs) 05:12.433 --> 05:15.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So I took one of those monochromatic ones, 05:15.600 --> 05:17.833 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and I did put some fluorescent paint 05:17.833 --> 05:19.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% in it, but so-- - I like it. 05:19.466 --> 05:20.466 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% - You like it? 05:20.466 --> 05:21.766 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% - Well, don't you? 05:21.766 --> 05:23.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Why did you just put it here and not everywhere? 05:23.600 --> 05:27.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% - So I go, so it wouldn't be quite such an overall pattern. 05:29.333 --> 05:31.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% - It already is an overall pattern. 05:31.433 --> 05:34.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - But I thought if I put some around the edge and in here, 05:34.566 --> 05:39.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that it'd give a little more push and pull to it. 05:39.100 --> 05:43.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% - Well, what you get is a crowd feeling, 05:44.566 --> 05:47.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% but it could also be the same person over and over again. 05:47.933 --> 05:49.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I'm really tickled that you went back 05:49.933 --> 05:51.633 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in some and added color. 05:52.966 --> 05:54.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - [Natasha] I'm giving them different faces 05:54.766 --> 05:58.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and different shapes, but they're all chairs. 05:58.066 --> 06:00.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% - [Kathy] They're not very different though. 06:00.566 --> 06:02.033 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% - [Natasha] No, they're not. 06:02.033 --> 06:03.533 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% White, they're all white. 06:03.533 --> 06:06.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% - [Kathy] We might notice they're all white more, 06:06.166 --> 06:07.866 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% if one of them weren't white. 06:07.866 --> 06:08.666 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% - Oh, uh-huh. 06:10.133 --> 06:12.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% [Natasha] I sometimes feel like a painting doctor. 06:12.133 --> 06:14.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% With other people, I can always tell 06:14.533 --> 06:17.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% on somebody else's painting, what's working, what isn't. 06:17.466 --> 06:19.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And on my own work, it's a little bit harder, 06:19.866 --> 06:22.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% but I'm always, always adjusting, 06:23.633 --> 06:26.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know, dissatisfied, adding, 06:26.000 --> 06:31.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it might just be that I add one line to what I'm working on. 06:32.133 --> 06:33.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But we've been doing this a long time, Kathy. 06:33.333 --> 06:35.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I kind of forget where we're headed. 06:37.800 --> 06:39.000 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% - Do you think it's like mine? 06:39.000 --> 06:40.400 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% - Do you love it. 06:40.400 --> 06:42.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% - I think it's wonderful. 06:43.833 --> 06:46.300 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% It is both sweet and cruel. 06:46.300 --> 06:49.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Look at how nasty you made that guy. 06:50.966 --> 06:53.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I think we're on the right course. 06:53.500 --> 06:56.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% - Okay, I'm following you though. 06:56.166 --> 06:58.966 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% - I'm following you, Natasha. 06:58.966 --> 07:00.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% - Then we can end up in circles then. 07:00.966 --> 07:02.400 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% - I like that. 07:03.700 --> 07:04.533 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% (birdsong) 07:20.400 --> 07:23.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% [Natasha] I went down to the river, 07:23.233 --> 07:25.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and I picked fiddleheads. 07:25.300 --> 07:27.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% My daughter, Sienna, do you remember her? 07:27.100 --> 07:29.066 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% She's now mid-30s, 07:29.066 --> 07:30.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but when she was about eight or nine, 07:30.900 --> 07:33.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% she started counting everything on the wall. 07:33.233 --> 07:35.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% One, two, three, four, five. 07:35.466 --> 07:38.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% She got up to 287 things on the wall. 07:38.466 --> 07:40.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And she said, "I quit." (laughs) 07:40.900 --> 07:43.900 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I'm lucky to have a lot of artists who are friends, 07:43.900 --> 07:46.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and we've traded work over the years. 07:46.200 --> 07:48.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I've bought some work from the adults with mental illness 07:48.900 --> 07:51.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that I work with at two social clubs. 07:51.866 --> 07:53.233 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% My kids art work, 07:53.233 --> 07:55.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of course, I love to live with. 07:55.133 --> 07:58.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So there's a lot of Maine artists in this room. 07:58.900 --> 08:01.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - And I've got actually several of your prints 08:01.800 --> 08:04.300 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% that I think I-- - Actually bought. 08:04.300 --> 08:05.800 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% - Well, I actually bought, 08:05.800 --> 08:10.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% but I feel like I didn't give you enough for them. 08:10.100 --> 08:12.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - Yes, their monetary value... - We have trouble with, 08:12.366 --> 08:15.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% we don't like in a way selling paintings, 08:15.333 --> 08:18.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because of the relationship between art and money, 08:18.033 --> 08:19.133 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% and all that stuff. 08:19.133 --> 08:21.300 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% But on the other hand, 08:21.300 --> 08:23.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% when you can actually help somebody else 08:23.100 --> 08:25.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% by giving them money for their paintings. 08:25.466 --> 08:29.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And I grew up in a very difficult household 08:29.133 --> 08:33.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% where my dad could not talk about money, 08:33.366 --> 08:35.100 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% could not bill his patients. 08:35.100 --> 08:38.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He just accepted whatever they gave him. 08:39.433 --> 08:41.300 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% And I grew up with that same. 08:41.300 --> 08:44.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - And he was a doctor. - Yes, a psychiatrist. 08:44.166 --> 08:47.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And he had this terrible psychological problem, 08:47.466 --> 08:48.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% not being able to bill (laughing). 08:48.966 --> 08:52.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And it was because he didn't know how to value himself 08:52.800 --> 08:54.800 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and what he had to offer, I think, 08:56.133 --> 08:58.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and I think I've...that's rubbed off on me. 09:01.233 --> 09:03.533 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I feel what I do is valuable, 09:04.700 --> 09:07.733 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in starting Artists' Rapid Response Team 09:07.733 --> 09:10.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and working with adults with mental illness 09:10.033 --> 09:14.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and making my own work, I do feel that it's valuable work. 09:14.100 --> 09:16.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I just don't know how to put any monetary value. 09:16.700 --> 09:20.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I hate the notion that it has a monetary value. 09:20.200 --> 09:23.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% - When I moved to Maine back in 1970 09:23.366 --> 09:26.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and came down to Brunswick to a meeting, 09:26.700 --> 09:29.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and I think that's when I met Natasha for the first time. 09:29.700 --> 09:34.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% She was so far beyond where I was in the use of art. 09:34.366 --> 09:38.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And I thought, "Geez, I'd like to do that." 09:38.666 --> 09:41.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I mean, it was the way that...the passion 09:41.200 --> 09:43.000 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% with which she was engaged. 09:43.000 --> 09:45.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% It wasn't that she was making a lot of money, she wasn't. 09:45.433 --> 09:47.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% You know, but whatever the issue was, 09:47.333 --> 09:49.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% somehow there she was either involved 09:49.033 --> 09:52.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% with people with mental challenges or putting art 09:52.733 --> 09:55.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in a storefront about homelessness or marching 09:55.400 --> 09:57.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% in front of something, carrying a banner. 09:57.700 --> 10:01.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I thought, "Gee, that is my idea of 10:01.533 --> 10:03.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% what it means to be an artist." 10:03.833 --> 10:06.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% (quietly emotional music) 10:16.333 --> 10:19.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I had my first child in 1981. 10:19.166 --> 10:20.900 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% And while I was pregnant, 10:20.900 --> 10:24.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the work became more symbolic of sparks going out 10:24.400 --> 10:27.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and messages going out over the telephone poles. 10:27.533 --> 10:31.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I started situating myself at the center 10:31.500 --> 10:34.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the world before the baby came and knocked me off center. 10:36.866 --> 10:40.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% There was a period when I went outside and I did roads. 10:46.900 --> 10:51.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% After 9/11, I did a whole series of maps, war maps, 10:53.433 --> 10:56.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% of what war might look like in Maine, 10:56.533 --> 10:59.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% because we were making war in Iraq and Afghanistan. 10:59.933 --> 11:04.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So there's some maps of farms and cows upside down 11:07.800 --> 11:11.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and bombs landing in little league fields 11:11.666 --> 11:13.733 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% and giant lobsters. 11:13.733 --> 11:17.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And I showed those at the Portland Museum of Art back 11:17.333 --> 11:19.100 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% about, I think it was 2005. 11:20.500 --> 11:23.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (bomb explodes) 11:23.900 --> 11:25.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% - [TV announcer] Overnight 11:25.300 --> 11:28.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Airstrikes lighting up the Syrian sky. 11:28.100 --> 11:30.266 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% (missile fires) 11:30.266 --> 11:33.433 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% (drumbeat and cars driving in slush) 11:34.966 --> 11:36.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% - They're having the christening today, 11:36.966 --> 11:38.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of the Aegis missile destroyer. 11:43.433 --> 11:45.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (missile fires) 11:45.100 --> 11:48.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've seen on the news, pictures of people that are hit 11:48.000 --> 11:51.566 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% by missiles from these destroyer ships 11:51.566 --> 11:52.800 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% that are built right here. 11:54.600 --> 11:57.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've been to more demonstrations than I can count. 12:00.133 --> 12:02.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I'm the one wearing the carbon footprint. 12:05.400 --> 12:07.000 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I remember getting arrested 12:07.000 --> 12:12.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% at Tom Allen's office long time ago, and it was on the news. 12:12.833 --> 12:14.033 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And I went to my mechanic, 12:14.033 --> 12:16.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% we always scrapped about political stuff. 12:16.366 --> 12:19.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And he was in the absolute opposite side of everything, 12:19.900 --> 12:24.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% but he saw me get arrested and he had a total change 12:24.833 --> 12:26.900 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% of attitude about me. 12:26.900 --> 12:30.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% He really respected me for sticking my neck out, 12:30.200 --> 12:33.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that to me was an enormous lesson. 12:33.200 --> 12:36.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% People respect you if you stand up for things. 12:39.833 --> 12:42.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% When I was standing on the sidewalk 12:42.733 --> 12:45.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in front of a whole group of policemen, 12:45.133 --> 12:47.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I was overhearing them talking about how... 12:48.833 --> 12:50.133 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% and one said to the other, 12:50.133 --> 12:53.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "You know, this is what America is all about. 12:53.466 --> 12:55.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% This kind of freedom of expression. 12:55.166 --> 12:56.533 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% This is a good thing." 12:58.000 --> 13:00.800 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% It was snowing, and it was slushy. 13:00.800 --> 13:03.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And the police thought it was too dangerous 13:03.400 --> 13:04.866 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% for us to be in the street. 13:04.866 --> 13:06.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (ominous music) 13:06.133 --> 13:09.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So we moved toward the gate onto the sidewalk, 13:09.866 --> 13:12.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but we never intended to enter the BIW property 13:12.733 --> 13:15.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% or to disrupt the christening event. 13:16.100 --> 13:17.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Nine of us got arrested. 13:19.733 --> 13:21.233 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% (background talking) 13:21.233 --> 13:23.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I never expected, I'd get so much help from the police. 13:23.933 --> 13:25.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% There were two of them. 13:25.433 --> 13:28.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So there were four hands helping me untie the knots 13:28.233 --> 13:31.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that held the carbon footprint under my chin. 13:34.533 --> 13:38.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% (talking) - they can take care of it... 13:39.400 --> 13:41.533 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% General Dynamics owns BIW, 13:42.933 --> 13:47.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and that's one of the 10 top weapons manufacturers 13:48.233 --> 13:49.066 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% in the entire world. 13:49.066 --> 13:50.800 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% They could diversify. 13:52.233 --> 13:56.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Why aren't we launching $7 billion worth of solar panels? 13:56.700 --> 13:58.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And why aren't we launching a ship 13:58.900 --> 14:02.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to go get rid of plastics out of the ocean? 14:02.466 --> 14:04.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% People are gonna die from missiles 14:04.466 --> 14:05.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that are launched by this ship, 14:05.800 --> 14:06.966 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% and the ship is going 14:06.966 --> 14:09.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% into the Kennebec River right here today. 14:11.133 --> 14:13.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I have to do what I can to stop it. 14:15.200 --> 14:17.933 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% (serious music and drumbeat) 14:25.700 --> 14:27.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% We posted bail and they set a court date 14:27.933 --> 14:29.133 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% in a couple of months. 14:29.133 --> 14:30.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't know if I'm gonna have to go to jail 14:30.933 --> 14:32.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and how long they could keep me. 14:37.666 --> 14:40.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - For me, and I assume for Natasha, 14:40.933 --> 14:42.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the only way we can be in the world 14:42.666 --> 14:46.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and understand what's going on and help to mediate 14:46.633 --> 14:50.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% how we feel is to make pictures about it. 14:50.766 --> 14:53.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% If you let what's happening in the world totally 14:53.533 --> 14:57.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% into you and you don't have a way to transfigure it 14:57.466 --> 15:00.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and then move it back out, it'll destroy you, I think. 15:00.900 --> 15:02.433 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I mean, if you really feel it, 15:02.433 --> 15:04.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I mean, I think that's why so many people have to be 15:04.566 --> 15:07.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% in denial because they have no way to process 15:07.866 --> 15:09.366 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% what's actually going on. 15:09.366 --> 15:12.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% One thing artists do is make pictures about it. 15:12.233 --> 15:15.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% So they take that difficult experience 15:15.900 --> 15:17.766 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% and then shape it 15:17.766 --> 15:20.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and then move it back outside of themselves. 15:20.933 --> 15:23.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% [Rob] Right, is everything in here possible for the show? 15:23.900 --> 15:25.666 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% [Natasha] Oh yeah (laughs) 15:25.666 --> 15:28.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I have a show coming up at the Harlow Gallery, 15:28.200 --> 15:32.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and it's hard for me to know what to put into a show. 15:32.900 --> 15:36.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I asked Rob to come over because he has such a good eye. 15:36.666 --> 15:38.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% - I mean, I would include this, for instance. 15:40.700 --> 15:42.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's different than the others, 15:42.733 --> 15:44.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and often a lot of your work is 15:44.266 --> 15:49.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% about the relationship of the oppressor to the oppressed, 15:50.700 --> 15:54.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and how both the oppressor and oppressed are enslaved then. 15:54.366 --> 15:55.700 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% I mean, here, 15:55.700 --> 15:57.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I mean, in order-- - They're attached. 15:57.900 --> 15:59.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% - Well, they're attached, 15:59.000 --> 16:01.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean in order to be the wall, 16:01.333 --> 16:03.100 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% you have to stay in place. 16:03.100 --> 16:04.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% You can't move. - [Natasha] Yeah. 16:04.800 --> 16:06.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - [Rob] You're stuck. - [Natasha] Yeah. 16:06.100 --> 16:07.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% - As difficult as a lot of the subjects 16:07.600 --> 16:10.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that Natasha deals with, as difficult as those subjects are, 16:10.600 --> 16:14.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in the process of lifting that burden outside of herself, 16:14.333 --> 16:16.466 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% she is able to add into it, 16:16.466 --> 16:19.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% all these different aspects of her personality. 16:19.300 --> 16:22.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So it's got humor, it's got anger, it's got love. 16:22.933 --> 16:25.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% It's got outrage, it's got grief. 16:25.733 --> 16:28.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% It's got all those things...become part of it. 16:28.066 --> 16:29.266 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% I mean, after that, 16:29.266 --> 16:31.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, cooking inside of her for a while, 16:31.100 --> 16:33.266 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% it then becomes this product 16:33.266 --> 16:36.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for other people to look at and think about. 16:37.766 --> 16:40.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I would maintain that all art is political. 16:40.466 --> 16:43.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I mean, you choose to paint landscapes 16:43.333 --> 16:47.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% when the house is on fire, that's pretty political. 16:47.266 --> 16:49.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I mean, what you're suggesting is, 16:49.466 --> 16:51.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Oh, this will look good behind the couch," 16:51.666 --> 16:54.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and the couch is going to be gone soon. 16:54.966 --> 16:57.666 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% So yeah, all art is political, 16:57.666 --> 17:01.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% but the artists who do that work, do pay a price for it 17:01.500 --> 17:03.300 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% because it isn't a commodity. 17:03.300 --> 17:04.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% By doing political art, 17:04.533 --> 17:07.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you're usually choosing not to sell your work. 17:07.800 --> 17:10.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% People don't buy political art much, so it is hard, 17:10.966 --> 17:13.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% but on the other hand, she's free. 17:13.900 --> 17:15.400 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% I mean you choose, you know, 17:15.400 --> 17:17.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% when you choose to make these kinds of statements, 17:17.533 --> 17:21.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% you get a different kind of freedom. 17:21.000 --> 17:23.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% You aren't afraid of going anywhere, 17:23.533 --> 17:24.633 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% you know, and using-- 17:24.633 --> 17:26.566 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% - Well, they take me. 17:26.566 --> 17:28.200 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% You know, it's not like I had 17:28.200 --> 17:29.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that idea ahead of time. - [Rob] Yeah. 17:29.700 --> 17:31.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - It was like, I just wanted to continue 17:31.366 --> 17:33.166 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% that tie right down. 17:33.166 --> 17:36.900 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I wanted it to make them exposed, 17:36.900 --> 17:38.000 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% take their pants off. 17:38.000 --> 17:39.500 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% - [Rob] Yeah. 17:39.500 --> 17:42.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% - And so it came to me in the painting, you know, 17:42.833 --> 17:45.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the painting process. - Yeah, right. 17:45.000 --> 17:49.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I was doing really serious, deadly serious, 17:49.333 --> 17:52.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% dead body work before -- (nervous laugh) corpses 17:52.666 --> 17:55.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and people...The Disappeared, I did a big series 17:55.866 --> 17:58.133 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% about "les desaparecidos" 17:58.133 --> 17:59.666 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% of Latin America, 17:59.666 --> 18:04.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and probably the biggest change for me was going 18:04.266 --> 18:08.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% to Bread and Puppet Circus in Vermont, 18:08.466 --> 18:11.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% somewhere in the '80s and seeing 18:11.200 --> 18:16.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% how the puppeteers from Latin America all were funny, 18:17.233 --> 18:19.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% all used humor, all used satire. 18:19.433 --> 18:20.933 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Now, some of them had to, 18:20.933 --> 18:23.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in order to get past the censorship. 18:23.566 --> 18:28.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% All the North Americans and Europeans were deadly serious. 18:29.433 --> 18:31.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And it was such a great lesson 18:31.433 --> 18:35.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that you could actually tell a better story 18:35.366 --> 18:38.566 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and get more response and be more effective 18:38.566 --> 18:40.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if you could somehow find a way to use humor. 18:42.433 --> 18:45.366 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% (gong sound) 18:45.366 --> 18:47.600 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Which way is better, Deb? 18:47.600 --> 18:49.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - [Deb] Can you do it this way? 18:51.200 --> 18:54.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Probably, the other way, yeah. 18:57.233 --> 18:58.066 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% (traffic) 19:02.000 --> 19:04.966 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Great, here are more of these. 19:04.966 --> 19:06.166 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% - Thanks. 19:06.166 --> 19:07.133 align:left position:42.5% line:5% size:47.5% Yeah. 19:07.133 --> 19:08.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% [Deb] There's that wall there, 19:08.266 --> 19:10.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and we could put something up there too. 19:10.766 --> 19:12.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - And that one. 19:12.366 --> 19:14.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Or it could go, we could have this military section, 19:14.500 --> 19:16.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% all these military guys in hoods. 19:16.433 --> 19:17.800 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (tense music) 19:17.800 --> 19:20.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Well, the "Men in Suits" started 19:20.466 --> 19:22.600 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% about a year before "Occupy." 19:22.600 --> 19:26.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% It was the time of the big crash. 19:26.966 --> 19:30.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And I saw how the banks were responsible 19:30.966 --> 19:32.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% for all this and the "banksters." 19:32.800 --> 19:34.500 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% And it was at Space Gallery. 19:34.500 --> 19:38.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% And I showed about 250, 300 postcards 19:38.800 --> 19:42.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that had little tiny men in suits all over the world. 19:42.466 --> 19:44.433 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Just kind of taking over. 19:44.433 --> 19:46.666 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% After that whole postcard series, 19:46.666 --> 19:48.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% now, they're inhabiting my paintings 19:48.466 --> 19:51.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and they swarm and they swindle 19:51.300 --> 19:53.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and they plot and they trade and they gamble 19:53.966 --> 19:57.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% in the paintings and they loom over people 19:57.033 --> 19:58.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and they commandeer the landscape 19:58.866 --> 20:00.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and they get away with doing whatever they want to do. 20:03.300 --> 20:04.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (dramatic music) 20:07.466 --> 20:09.533 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% So, you know, this is quite a few years now 20:09.533 --> 20:11.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% that I'm stuck on these men in suits, 20:11.933 --> 20:13.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and the subject continues to interest me, 20:13.833 --> 20:16.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% especially with the White House now 20:16.466 --> 20:19.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% under control of somebody who's in a big red tie. 20:19.866 --> 20:23.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So you know, a lot of it has to do with having a vocabulary 20:23.133 --> 20:28.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's unique to me that I don't get tired of. 20:28.966 --> 20:30.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Did you see that guy out there? 20:30.466 --> 20:34.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% That was my scarecrow in the garden all summer, scarecrow. 20:34.100 --> 20:36.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Oh, you know, it's always a great thing 20:36.133 --> 20:39.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% to get my work out of the house and to see it up, 20:39.300 --> 20:41.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% to see it as a body of work. 20:41.600 --> 20:42.800 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% And then of course, 20:42.800 --> 20:44.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I love an opportunity to see my friends 20:44.966 --> 20:46.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% because I don't give parties anymore. 20:46.800 --> 20:47.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So it's nice for people to come. 20:49.100 --> 20:49.933 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (sparkling music) 20:49.933 --> 20:50.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (footsteps) 21:09.733 --> 21:12.366 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (foghorn blowing) 21:14.533 --> 21:16.700 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I've been working for 37 years 21:16.700 --> 21:19.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% with adults with mental illness, and their work, 21:19.233 --> 21:24.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% their art work has shown me the way oftentimes 21:25.433 --> 21:28.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% to use my artwork to express my feelings. 21:29.933 --> 21:30.766 align:left position:42.5% line:5% size:47.5% Hi. 21:31.700 --> 21:32.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Come on in. 21:32.533 --> 21:34.200 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% I had to do the PR. 21:34.200 --> 21:36.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I had to make the lists of what kind of food, 21:36.933 --> 21:40.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I had to ask people to help which is hard for me to do. 21:40.866 --> 21:42.266 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% But, you know, plus, 21:42.266 --> 21:44.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% all this matting, shrink-wrapping and framing. 21:45.400 --> 21:47.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% For years I've told almost everybody, 21:47.866 --> 21:49.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% when they ask me about it, I say, 21:49.533 --> 21:52.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% "This is what keeps me honest as an artist." 21:52.533 --> 21:57.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And by that, I mean that I need to have a little more touch, 21:57.400 --> 21:59.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% be in touch with my own art. 21:59.000 --> 22:02.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I need my work to resonate a little bit more maybe 22:02.266 --> 22:03.566 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% with other people. 22:03.566 --> 22:05.100 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% (speaking faintly) 22:05.100 --> 22:06.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% - That's a bureaucrat. 22:08.000 --> 22:11.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Natasha drew some pictures of business people. 22:11.900 --> 22:13.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So I did one of my own. 22:18.433 --> 22:19.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Natasha] I love this work, I love this work. 22:24.933 --> 22:26.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (birds chirping) 22:32.300 --> 22:34.100 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% (spoons on dishes, murmuring) 22:34.100 --> 22:36.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% [Marguerite} And so, as a sculptor, 22:36.433 --> 22:39.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I'm not going to go into an open space 22:39.233 --> 22:40.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and plop something down 22:40.766 --> 22:43.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and call myself a public artist. 22:43.800 --> 22:47.133 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm gonna go and see what needs to be done 22:47.133 --> 22:49.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and then respond to that and work with the people. 22:49.166 --> 22:52.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - Well, I don't know if it's a question of age now, 22:52.233 --> 22:54.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% a matter of age, that collaboration is 22:54.766 --> 22:56.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% so important to me now. 22:56.733 --> 22:58.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% It brings me so much pleasure. 22:58.766 --> 23:01.500 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I love the point at which when 23:01.500 --> 23:04.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we started this Artists' Rapid Response Team, 23:04.200 --> 23:07.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the first year, we kind of, we signed the banners, 23:07.000 --> 23:09.833 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I think, with our names on the back. 23:09.833 --> 23:11.233 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And then, and then I think 23:11.233 --> 23:13.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% by the end of that first year, we stopped signing them. 23:13.500 --> 23:15.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - Yeah. - It was anonymous. 23:15.733 --> 23:17.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You know, it was wonderful that 23:17.633 --> 23:19.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we didn't take credit, you know. 23:19.900 --> 23:23.066 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (bright upbeat music) 23:42.033 --> 23:46.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I helped start an amazing group of artists 23:46.466 --> 23:48.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% who get together once-a-month 23:48.800 --> 23:52.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and we call ourselves the Artists' Rapid Response Team. 23:52.366 --> 23:55.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And we make banners for all our progressive issues 23:55.333 --> 23:56.166 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% in the state. 23:57.333 --> 23:58.966 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% I brought artists together 23:58.966 --> 24:00.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% from the Union of Maine Visual Artists 24:00.700 --> 24:03.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and from other venues and different groups 24:03.733 --> 24:05.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and that work that we've done together 24:05.766 --> 24:08.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% has always been the most satisfying to me. 24:08.400 --> 24:11.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And so this seemed like the perfect way 24:11.366 --> 24:14.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% to get people together, to do something important, 24:14.466 --> 24:18.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to do something that's really helpful, that's a way 24:18.733 --> 24:21.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% so we don't have to feel guilty about not going to meetings 24:21.533 --> 24:23.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and not going to demonstrations 24:23.066 --> 24:26.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that we could make something for all our favorite causes. 24:26.700 --> 24:29.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think, we've made over 400 banners so far. 24:32.300 --> 24:35.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Activism right now is just too hard 24:35.933 --> 24:37.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% because it's just too many issues. 24:37.766 --> 24:42.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So (laughs) how do you choose an issue these days? 24:43.900 --> 24:45.533 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% How do you feel effective? 24:45.533 --> 24:47.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Have you chosen a couple of issues. 24:47.633 --> 24:48.900 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% - It's all important. 24:48.900 --> 24:51.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, it's just very difficult for you then. 24:51.600 --> 24:54.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% But I do feel like it ought to be local 24:54.133 --> 24:57.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% on some level and concentrated, I mean, focused. 24:57.233 --> 25:00.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% - That's one of the things that draws me to you, 25:00.466 --> 25:02.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is that level of place. 25:02.000 --> 25:07.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And I rooted myself here and I painted, 25:07.866 --> 25:09.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% helped people in the town paint 25:09.300 --> 25:10.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the history of the town 25:10.700 --> 25:13.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% on the telephone poles, and-- - [Lucy] I love this. 25:13.133 --> 25:16.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But all three of us are negotiating this business 25:16.633 --> 25:19.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% about being in a place and being responsible 25:19.133 --> 25:20.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and caring most about the place 25:20.600 --> 25:22.166 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and also trying to deal with the larger world and-- 25:22.166 --> 25:24.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% - And bringing that larger world into the local. 25:24.966 --> 25:29.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Because I really care what happens in my community. 25:29.600 --> 25:32.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And then a lot of the work that I've done as an artist 25:32.966 --> 25:35.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% in residence with helping communities 25:35.166 --> 25:39.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and school kids make murals -- over 600. 25:41.533 --> 25:43.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% - Okay, everybody, to table. 25:44.666 --> 25:45.966 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% Grab a chair. 25:47.133 --> 25:48.933 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% - What a lovely group. 25:50.166 --> 25:52.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% We've got a great day ahead of us 25:52.166 --> 25:53.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% because we've got three students 25:53.800 --> 25:56.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% from the University of Maine at Orono come down 25:56.033 --> 25:59.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to paint a banner for the Earth Day Committee. 25:59.133 --> 26:01.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Student] "Earth Day, Every Day" was sort of 26:01.600 --> 26:03.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the general theme that we're thinking about -- 26:03.033 --> 26:05.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% It's like a big banner to have hanging down 26:05.766 --> 26:08.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in Pickering Square to just sort of help draw people in 26:08.933 --> 26:10.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and let them know about the event. 26:10.900 --> 26:13.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Any guidance that you guys have 26:13.000 --> 26:15.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to offer us, like that size right there, 26:15.333 --> 26:16.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I don't know if that's what you normally tend to do, 26:16.533 --> 26:18.600 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% but that's like perfect, yeah. 26:18.600 --> 26:20.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - [Natasha] That's a little bit bigger than a normal, 26:20.533 --> 26:22.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% but we can think about it... - [Student] Okay. 26:22.900 --> 26:24.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - [Artist] That one's a little too long 26:24.433 --> 26:25.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to carry in a parade. - Yeah. 26:25.866 --> 26:27.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% so, the shorter ones are easier to... 26:27.766 --> 26:29.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - [Student] Okay, yeah, we're flexible. 26:29.366 --> 26:30.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - [Natasha] So we've got to cut, 26:30.566 --> 26:33.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% you guys can cut and measure a seven foot, 26:33.366 --> 26:36.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and then you're gonna work on gun control, 26:36.166 --> 26:37.700 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% you're working on this... 26:40.066 --> 26:43.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - Nothing about us, without us, is for us. 26:43.833 --> 26:46.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I always repeat that in my lectures, saying, 26:46.000 --> 26:49.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% "Get it? Nothing about us, without us, is for us," 26:49.533 --> 26:52.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% because I think it's just a brilliant phrasing 26:52.066 --> 26:55.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of what we all care about -- is that really, 26:55.033 --> 26:57.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% it's difficult to work with communities 26:57.066 --> 26:59.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and it's much harder to do what all of us are doing. 26:59.833 --> 27:04.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I mean, to work with people who have to be worked with 27:04.233 --> 27:07.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% on a really equal, respectful basis for a long time 27:07.333 --> 27:09.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% before they are willing to work with you. 27:09.100 --> 27:11.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% - You know, it is hard for me as an artist 27:11.666 --> 27:16.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to have that patience to listen and to wait and to trust. 27:19.066 --> 27:21.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - Trouble is, we're so good at preaching to the choir, 27:21.266 --> 27:22.466 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% the activists are 27:22.466 --> 27:24.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% - Oh, we're good at that. 27:24.733 --> 27:26.133 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% I'm so good at that. 27:26.133 --> 27:27.733 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% (all laughs) 27:27.733 --> 27:28.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% - We're the choir. 27:30.900 --> 27:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Most people appreciate something handmade. 27:34.000 --> 27:35.566 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% They appreciate something 27:35.566 --> 27:40.266 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that looks like people made an effort that it's unusual. 27:40.266 --> 27:43.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Sometimes it's humorous. We reach people 27:43.766 --> 27:45.266 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% in ways that are low tech. 27:45.266 --> 27:46.466 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% It's very direct. 27:46.466 --> 27:49.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% You know, you make something beautiful 27:49.100 --> 27:52.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and you can hold it right at the front of the march. 27:52.166 --> 27:53.833 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And people want to be seen with it, 27:53.833 --> 27:55.933 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% people want to photograph it. 27:55.933 --> 27:58.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I'm really glad when young people work with us. 28:01.066 --> 28:04.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I worry when I think about the future, 28:04.666 --> 28:06.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% who's going to carry on this work? 28:07.866 --> 28:11.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% It's really important to have young people come and join us. 28:14.500 --> 28:16.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% One of the banners we made was 28:16.566 --> 28:19.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% for the immigrant community in Maine, 28:19.700 --> 28:24.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and it had painted lobster buoys hanging on a lobster shack 28:25.833 --> 28:27.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and each one represented a different country. 28:27.866 --> 28:30.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So you saw the flag of a country painted on it. 28:30.866 --> 28:33.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And then somebody said, 28:33.533 --> 28:36.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% "Why don't you paint real buoys?" 28:36.000 --> 28:38.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% This is a symbol of Maine, 28:38.000 --> 28:40.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% the lobster buoys are everywhere in Maine 28:40.000 --> 28:42.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and tourists who come to Maine buy these things. 28:42.800 --> 28:45.866 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% So we thought that if we put a flag 28:45.866 --> 28:48.733 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and make one buoy per country, 28:48.733 --> 28:52.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% there's more than 70 countries that you guys come from, 28:52.133 --> 28:56.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that we would paint flags on the buoys 28:56.033 --> 28:57.833 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% and we will hang them. 28:57.833 --> 28:59.066 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Come on over guys. 29:00.200 --> 29:03.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I've got to assign you a country. 29:03.466 --> 29:06.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think there's somebody coming from Jordan. 29:06.300 --> 29:07.300 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% And you? 29:07.300 --> 29:08.800 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% - Turkey. - Turkey? 29:08.800 --> 29:13.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% There was an exhibit of 400 years of immigration in Maine 29:13.200 --> 29:15.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% up at the Maine Historical Society. 29:15.300 --> 29:18.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So we thought, let's work with a bunch of kids, 29:18.566 --> 29:21.133 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% in an afterschool program. 29:21.133 --> 29:25.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And these kids were all children of refugees and immigrants. 29:27.566 --> 29:32.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Our goal was going to be the 78 countries represented 29:33.433 --> 29:34.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% in the Portland School System. 29:34.566 --> 29:37.566 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (people chattering) 29:38.733 --> 29:40.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Male] He's doing the lines with a charcoal. 29:40.433 --> 29:43.433 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (people chattering) 29:44.800 --> 29:46.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - And we hung them right 29:46.766 --> 29:49.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on Congress Street in Portland. 29:49.066 --> 29:52.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And they stayed there all through the winter, 29:52.400 --> 29:56.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% snow and rain, and we had some hanging from the tree, 29:56.100 --> 29:58.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% but they were all in front of the Longfellow House 29:58.066 --> 30:02.466 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% on that amazing iron fence. 30:02.466 --> 30:06.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And so we kept making more, we kept making more 30:06.300 --> 30:10.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and we made a complete set for the Jetport. 30:11.233 --> 30:14.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And everybody arriving at the Jetport, 30:14.366 --> 30:17.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% will go right by the banner that we made 30:17.600 --> 30:22.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and they'll see 78 buoys hanging along the windows 30:23.600 --> 30:25.066 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% as they exit. 30:25.066 --> 30:27.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% And so we kept making more. 30:27.566 --> 30:32.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We kept making more, and we made enough to hang 30:32.066 --> 30:35.900 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% in the skywalk at USM. 30:37.400 --> 30:40.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% The day after the election, hundreds and hundreds 30:40.800 --> 30:44.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% of post-it notes just started appearing 30:44.700 --> 30:47.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% hanging on the windows below these buoys, 30:47.733 --> 30:51.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% welcoming refugees saying, "We've got your back. 30:51.966 --> 30:52.800 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% We love you. 30:52.800 --> 30:53.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We'll take care of you. 30:53.766 --> 30:55.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% We won't like ICE get you." 30:55.766 --> 30:57.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% You know, all sorts of messages of hope. 31:02.833 --> 31:07.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (clanking ladder, chain) 31:24.833 --> 31:27.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Finally, the day came for our trial. 31:27.966 --> 31:30.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% - Hearing in court is now in session. 31:30.633 --> 31:33.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% The Honorable Justice Daniel Billings presiding. 31:35.866 --> 31:38.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% - [Judge] That's not how this is supposed to work. 31:38.433 --> 31:41.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The city, in considering whether it's a lawful order or not, 31:41.133 --> 31:44.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% has to consider the bigger picture 31:44.100 --> 31:48.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and not simply focus on the views of BIW. 31:48.133 --> 31:51.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% - [Natasha] After the first day, the judge dismissed it 31:51.266 --> 31:54.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% because he said, "There's not a case here anymore." 31:54.800 --> 31:56.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% When he realized 31:56.433 --> 32:00.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the Bath Police Department was virtually working 32:00.633 --> 32:05.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% for BIW, Bath Iron Works, and we had a right to be there, 32:05.700 --> 32:08.033 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% but I'll keep protesting. 32:08.033 --> 32:10.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This is my neighborhood, my community, 32:10.600 --> 32:12.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and it's building these warships 32:12.200 --> 32:15.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and these are the best boat-builders in the world. 32:15.033 --> 32:16.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I wish they were building something 32:16.366 --> 32:18.866 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% that wasn't so destructive. 32:18.866 --> 32:23.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - All rise. 32:23.266 --> 32:26.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% (audience cheering, clapping) 32:33.033 --> 32:36.033 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (missiles firing) 32:41.700 --> 32:43.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% ('splat' sound effects) 32:49.233 --> 32:51.700 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% (birds) 32:59.333 --> 33:02.266 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% (murmuring voices in distance/water splashing) 33:10.100 --> 33:13.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% - So we're gonna go up and over the cat. 33:13.433 --> 33:16.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Every year, there's a 4th of July parade here in Whitefield 33:16.766 --> 33:19.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and being in it is one of the favorite things I do 33:19.300 --> 33:20.766 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% as an artist. 33:20.766 --> 33:24.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% A bunch of us get together to plan a theme for the float 33:24.433 --> 33:26.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and then we march in the parade. 33:26.666 --> 33:29.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% One year, it was about "Saving the Bees," 33:29.100 --> 33:31.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and another year it was "Buy Local." 33:33.633 --> 33:36.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And the theme another year was "Climate Change". 33:40.433 --> 33:45.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And another year we did drones with a surveillance theme. 33:45.066 --> 33:46.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Sometimes we're just silly that way 33:46.800 --> 33:50.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and sometimes it's poking fun at issues, 33:50.766 --> 33:52.500 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and a way to get together 33:52.500 --> 33:54.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% with other friends in the community 33:54.233 --> 33:57.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and do something that would be meaningful, 33:57.166 --> 34:00.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% not just fun, but layer it, with a little meaning, 34:00.400 --> 34:03.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% layer it with a little more serious meaning 34:03.466 --> 34:05.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as these years got more serious. 34:05.566 --> 34:10.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So here I am, I'm drawing a Trump guy with a wall. 34:11.666 --> 34:12.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So thinking that that was gonna be it. 34:12.866 --> 34:15.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And here, I'm drawing some guard towers, 34:15.833 --> 34:17.633 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% - oval round eggshell. 34:17.633 --> 34:20.833 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% This will help hold it stiff. 34:20.833 --> 34:24.133 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% (laughter) 34:24.133 --> 34:28.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And there'll be a hole, face hole cut here. 34:29.533 --> 34:31.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I've got a lot of props, I've got a lot of ideas 34:31.833 --> 34:33.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and I don't know how many people are gonna show up 34:33.400 --> 34:37.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and a lot of people just don't let me know until 34:37.066 --> 34:38.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the night before they'll call up and say, 34:38.666 --> 34:39.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Oh, could I be in it?" 34:39.566 --> 34:41.700 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% That's the role that I play. 34:41.700 --> 34:43.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Maybe the trickster role, maybe a little bit 34:43.833 --> 34:47.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the prankster and the jokester. 34:47.700 --> 34:50.300 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (upbeat music) 34:59.300 --> 35:01.233 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% ...kind of be moving slowly. 35:02.266 --> 35:03.900 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% Okay, it has to lay... 35:03.900 --> 35:05.366 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% - Pull it down more, 35:05.366 --> 35:08.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and it should go maybe in-between your legs, yeah. 35:09.400 --> 35:13.033 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% (drum marching music) 35:13.033 --> 35:15.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (engine roaring) 35:15.900 --> 35:18.900 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% (crowd/sirens) 35:22.233 --> 35:25.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% One year somebody threw eggs at us, 35:25.400 --> 35:27.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but most of the time people are curious, 35:27.600 --> 35:29.400 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% they might love us, 35:29.400 --> 35:30.700 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% they might hate us 35:30.700 --> 35:32.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but they come to see what we're gonna do. 35:33.700 --> 35:36.566 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% (drumming marching music) 35:40.466 --> 35:45.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% (Yankee Doodle fife & drum music) 35:46.866 --> 35:50.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% When somebody gets in touch with their creativity, 35:50.466 --> 35:54.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I think that that's when they feel they have a power 35:54.100 --> 35:55.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and they have a sense of themselves 35:55.700 --> 35:58.200 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and that they can do anything. 35:58.200 --> 36:02.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And if you can create something out of nothing, 36:02.166 --> 36:05.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% you have the power to affect change, 36:06.600 --> 36:10.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and to feel good about who you are. 36:10.100 --> 36:11.966 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% So that's been a motivation 36:11.966 --> 36:14.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% for me for many years in teaching 36:14.666 --> 36:16.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and that's where I have a lot of hope 36:16.633 --> 36:19.100 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% that this younger generation, 36:19.100 --> 36:20.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% is going to be telling the truth, 36:20.933 --> 36:23.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% is going be asking important questions, 36:23.200 --> 36:26.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% is going be making us change our ways, 36:26.933 --> 36:29.333 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and we have to follow them. 36:29.333 --> 36:34.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% (Yankee Doodle marching music fades...to skates on ice) 37:04.033 --> 37:06.533 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% (upbeat piano music)