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Narrator> Making It Grow 
is brought to you in part by

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Certified South Carolina.

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This cooperative effort 
among farmers, retailers

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and the South 
Carolina Department

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of Agriculture helps 
consumers identify foods

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and agricultural products 
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or raised right here 
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McLeod Farms in 
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family owned and 
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This family farm offers 
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including over 40 
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Wesley Commons, a full 
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retirement community 
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150 wooded acres in 
Greenwood, South Carolina.

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Additional funding 
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the South Carolina 
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and Farm Bureau Insurance

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and Boone Hall Farms.

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Amanda> Well, good evening, 
and welcome to Making It Grow.

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We sure are glad 
you can join us tonight.

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I'm Amanda McNulty, and I'm 
a Clemson Extension agent.

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And I get to come over here

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with my good friend 
and co-host Terasa Lott,

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who's the Midlands 
district director?

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I think I got it 
right that time.

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Terasa> You did, you did.

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It's sort of a fancy term 
just to say I oversee

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operations in nine counties 
in the heart of the state,

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but really, it's our staff, 
that get the shining gold stars

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because they're the ones

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that take the research 
based information

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and deliver it 
to the people that need it.

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Amanda> Yep. And, 
you know, our admins,

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they're the people who greet 
people when they come in.

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And so often they

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they've learned how 
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They can do soil test. 
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And, they can be great, 
of great help to people.

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Terasa> Absolutely. 
They are really the faces

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of the Extension office, 
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of connecting people

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with the right agent 
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It might be sending 
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our plant pest 
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Amanda> Yeah, yeah, 
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a kind of a heart of wanting 
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Terasa> Yeah, there is.

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Amanda> Well, 
and Dr. Adam Gore. Oh.

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(laughs)

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Congratulations.

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Dr. Adam> It took long enough. 
Thank you.

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Amanda> Well, you did a lot...

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you've done more 
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And, you are in 
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and the master gardener 
coordinator. That's a lot.

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Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am. 
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back in August 
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Amanda> Well, we're really glad 
to have you so close back.

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Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am. 
Amanda> We really are.

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Yeah. And, you were 
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that I had never heard 
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That...when people call you 
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Dr. Adam> So, lately,

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tunnels just pop up 
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and, walk through them,

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and suddenly 
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and whenever I get that call, 
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...as odd as 
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how do you feel about cats?

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because between 
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the pest control for moles, 
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Amanda> Really? So they're just 
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Dr. Adam> 
They're great at catching moles.

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My middle cat is, 
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mole control I've ever seen.

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We've had her for six months, 
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Amanda> Whoa! 
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She's very talented. 
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large sections to whereas,

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my Brittany spaniel has 
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she just knows 
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Amanda> Oh, so you said the cats

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Dr. Adam> 
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the cats are smart enough 
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Amanda> Pow! 
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Amanda> And then they bring 
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porch to let you know- 
Dr. Adam>-I have done my work.

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Where's the treats? 
Amanda> There you go.

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(laughs) I've had lots of cats, 
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that was one of the things. 
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that caught things 
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but moles are new.

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And, Christopher, we're 
so glad that you've joined us.

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You're the horticulture agent,

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Berkeley, 
Dorchester and Charleston.

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How are your people, 
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with the hot weather, 
and lack of rain that we had?

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Christopher> I think most 
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either staying indoors

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or have gone on vacation 
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awfully quiet. 
Though, I'm not complaining.

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Amanda> Yeah, and 
I wonder if, you know,

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if the beach water's 
gotten warm.

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Christopher> It's pretty warm.

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Last time 
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it's definitely quite warm.

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that you get a lot 
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of course, a lot of,

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shark sightings 
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Amanda> Really? Oh, I didn't 
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Christopher> No, but, I mean, 
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Amanda> Yeah.

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Christopher> 
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Amanda> Yeah. I'd sit on top 
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when my brother used 
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and watch sharks 
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kind of vacuum up, 
look like they're kind

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of vacuuming on the bottom. 
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I mean, it's...the ocean 
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oblivious to the fact 
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Amanda> It was a little hard 
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but I realized that...

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Well, thanks for coming up 
and being with us today.

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And, so, we're going to have 
some segments for you and,

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Zack Snipes whom 
you all love so much

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went down to Simply Green 
Blackberries.

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Everybody loves blackberries.

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And this gentleman who grows 
them is a lot of fun

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and then GrowFood,

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which is a fascinating,

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nonprofit down 
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I think you'll enjoy 
both of those a lot.

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Well, Terasa, did we have 
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or did people just give up

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when we had 
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Terasa> We have some, steadfast 
gardeners, it seems.

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And I so look forward 
to putting out our call

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for Gardens of the Week. 
It's your time to shine.

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Show us what you're doing 
in your yard, your garden

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or a beautiful place.

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And our state 
certainly has many of them.

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So let's see 
what we have today.

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We're going to begin 
with Gail Strong.

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She's sent us a picture 
of her backyard pond garden.

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And she said, it's 
her little piece of heaven.

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I can understand why.

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From Jane Harman, 
a lush landscaped area

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full of color in Campobello.

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Corey Barker shared a passion 
flower growing in Brambles.

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He said it's beauty 
among the thorns.

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Amanda> (laughs) That's fun.

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Terasa> From Bunny Sartor, 
a vibrant patch of bee balm

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surrounding a bird bath.

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we wrap up with Lee Templeton, 
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bed full of colorful 
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Remember, 
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sampling of photos 
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on our Facebook page.

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Whenever you see that 
call, don't be shy,

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post your photos 
in the comments

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and they might 
just appear on air.

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Amanda> And people who are going 
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can see 
the other beautiful gardens

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that people sent pictures of. 
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And for me, it's 
so inspirational.

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I get ideas 
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that maybe I want 
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Amanda> Oh good.

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Well, do you think we might be 
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with some problems, Terasa?

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Terasa> I sure hope so.

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I think that's what 
Making It Grow is known for.

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Well, maybe an Extension, 
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Melinda reached out 
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sort of unique, 
she said, can scuppernong

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grape leaves be 
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the stuffed grape leaves, 
Dolmades?

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Amanda> Well, Christopher, 
what do you think?

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Christopher> So, yes, though 
there is a big caveat with that.

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a lot of times you use kind of

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the very large grape leaves 
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are generally going 
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And so the best thing to do is- 
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because if they're growing down 
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they've got to be tough.

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Christopher> So if 
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generally 
the recommendation is to use

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the smaller, more immature 
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which is actually something, 
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in a lot of places 
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collards are actually from, 
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of an alternative 
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Amanda> Well, and we can get 
collards any time of the year.

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Christopher> Exactly. 
They grow great down here.

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Amanda> 
Yeah, they sure do. Yeah.

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Well, that was really fun.

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Thank you so much. 
All right, Mrs. Terasa.

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Terasa> And it has 
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I'm like, whew, 
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Amanda> We like to mix cultures, 
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Terasa> That's right.

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How about Marie in Manning?

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She said I just laid 
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How often 
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And what else should I do 
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Amanda> Goodness gracious.

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Well, Adam, you're 
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I don't know how in the world 
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and got all that done.

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Maybe a professional company 
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But, what does she do now,

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Dr. Adam> Right. So, for our 
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Amanda> So kind of, 
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Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am. 
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Dr. Adam> So all 
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soil moisture is critical. 
Amanda> Yes.

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is about two inches. 
Amanda> Okay.

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Dr. Adam> And it should feel 
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for, for two weeks.

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Amanda> For two weeks? 
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sapping out the sides of it.

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early morning 
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time in the middle of the day.

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Amanda> Goodness! 
>> So that your soil

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Amanda> Well. How much water 
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Amanda> Yes. >> So in a day, 
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overdo too much where

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we're looking 
at probably wanting

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to do like a third 
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a day, so maybe a 10th 
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Amanda> Goodness.

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And why the morning 
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or late afternoon, which one?

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one, because that's when plants

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have the highest potential 
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Amanda> Do they? 
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you don't 
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Amanda>-gets a great 
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Dr. Adam> Right. So then going 
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because these grasses, 
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it's more predisposed 
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there's just a lot of stress

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that people will 
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to be putting out fungicide 
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Amanda> 
Gosh, that's a lot.

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Dr. Adam> Lawns are fun. 
(all laugh)

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Terasa> Well, if you love grass, 
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watering regime than

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an established lawn. 
Dr. Adam> Correct.

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Terasa> So we want to make sure 
that our viewers are aware

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that this is not standard 
practice for your lawn.

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It's already well established.

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Dr. Adam> Once it's established, 
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a week is 
when you should be watering,

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doing what 
we call deep and in frequent.

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Amanda> And of course, 
Doug Tallamy

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would like for us to reduce 
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you know, have a picnic 
and a slip and slide.

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I think everybody needs 
to have slip and slides.

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Terasa> Oh, that brings back 
childhood memories.

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Amanda> Wasn't that fun? 
They were so much fun.

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But, there are other.

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I mean, your yard doesn't 
have to be 19 acres of grass.

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There's so many other things 
you can plant,

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that would be larval 
food sources.

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some people just have huge, 
huge lawns and, and they're,

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they're really, use 
a lot of inputs, don't they?

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you know, different grasses 
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maintenance requirements.

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And also...for me, a landscape 
should reflect the person.

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So I think a lot of people 
appreciate diversity.

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to blend in

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your more traditional lawns 
and with some of our new,

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meadow style, 
prairie style lawns.

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So there's 
a lot of opportunity

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to incorporate multiple, 
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Amanda> Well, you phrase that 
very, in a very lovely manner.

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Thank you.

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Terasa> Yeah...kind of like 
your yard can have,

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can reflect your personality.

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Dr. Adam> Exactly.

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Amanda> Yeah! Oh, okay.

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Well, Zack Snipes 
took us down to a wonderful,

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farmer who's 
one of his good friends.

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And I think you're going 
to enjoy the visit that we had.

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Zack> Hi, everyone. 
My name is Zack Snipes.

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I'm a county Extension 
agent for the Clemson University

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Cooperative Extension Service.

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My job is to work with fruit 
and vegetable producers

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in the Lowcountry 
of South Carolina.

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And today 
we're in Stewart Point

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or the, Seabrook area 
of Beaufort County.

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And I get to interview one 
of my good friends,

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one of my favorite farmers, 
Roy Green

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of Simply Green Farm.

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We got some rain today, 
but I'm happy to

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to have you here, Roy, today.

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And, thanks 
for coming on the show.

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Roy> Thank you, Zack. 
It's good to be here.

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Zack> Yeah, man. So tell us 
a little bit about yourself

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and how you got into farming.

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Roy> I'm one of 14.

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My mom and dad, 
had 14 children.

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They were farmers.

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I got into farming because 
they farmed, back in 1940.

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They bought ten acres 
of land, for $100.

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Zack> $100, 
Roy> $100

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Zack>...for all ten acres 
Roy>...for all ten acres.

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Zack> That's a good deal. 
Roy> That was an excellent deal.

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Mom, mom had the money,

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Dad didn't. But, mom, 
saved up the money.

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She had it. And back then, 
when someone needed money

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to bury a loved one,

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instead of having the money, 
they would put up property.

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So they put up the property,

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and she had the money, 
and she bought the land and,

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and the rest is history.

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They, they farmed... 
they farmed a little bit

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of everything 
cucumbers, tomatoes,

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beans, squash, zucchini.

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And it would take it 
to a local market.

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I was, as a little boy, 
I was right there.

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You know, either 
carrying the bucket

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or carrying the water 
or doing something.

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Zack> Yep. So, so 
you grew up farming.

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Roy> Grew up farming. 
Zack> Yep. And then,

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and then you've continued 
farming the whole time

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or what happened between

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when you were a little boy 
and now?

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Roy> Well, I, I kept on farming 
until, I got out of school

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and then I left, when I 
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I left and I went to New York 
for about 12 years.

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And then I came back in 1992, 
and Dad had kind of

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stopped with farming.

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He had an, you know, 
he was tired.

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All the kids was gone after, 
you know, farming.

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Everybody left. Nobody wanted 
any parts of farming.

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Farming was hard, I mean,... 
and the money wasn't there.

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So, it was a better living.

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People went in the... 
brothers and sisters

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went in the military 
or they went to the city.

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And that's when I went 
and I came back.

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Zack> And so you guys were able 
to hang on to the land

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that we're still on today?

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Roy> Yes. Yes, Mom,

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That was one thing mom 
always thought she was one.

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She...was determined 
to keep the land.

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And then, after the farming, 
then you had family members

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that moved in different parts 
of the land.

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You know, we built houses 
here, you know, mobile homes.

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So we still had the farm here 
and certain parts of it.

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But it wasn't...it wasn't 
the whole thing wasn't farmed.

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Zack> Right. 
So then I get a call,

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I don't know 
how many years ago now,

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it says, "Hey, man, 
I want to start farming."

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And so, you picked 
farming back up, I guess.

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And so that's 
when you called me.

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And, when I walked out here,

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it was just a bare 
piece of ground.

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Man, we've come a long 
way in a few years, hadn't we?

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Roy> Exactly, exactly. 
I moved back,

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from New York in 1992, 
and Dad had stopped farming,

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so I kind of talked Dad back

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into getting into 
farming on a limited basis.

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So he...he did it. 
He gave it a try.

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It gave us a little time

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to get to really bond together 
and, you know, get to know

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when we were small,

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you didn't really have time 
to talk to your dad.

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He was working, busy working, 
busy doing this and that.

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So, so I started back and then, 
I had an opportunity

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to buy another piece of land 
next to our property,

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which is this property right 
here, which is five acres.

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And that's when I called you.

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I cleared it off 
and I said, Zack,

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I want to do something 
with this property.

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And I said, 
you know, I'm thinking

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about growing blackberries. 
Zack> Yeah.

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Roy> I talked to a farmer 
by the name of

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Mr. Jackie Barefoot. 
And he was growing blackberries.

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So I was intrigued,

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but I never I didn't know 
anything about it.

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So that's when I called you. 
Zack> Right.

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And so I came out 
and we kind of

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talked about some things 
and looked at the land and,

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kind of made some suggestions 
on, you know,

482
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what way to orient the land 
and whatever

483
00:19:03,033 --> 00:19:04,700
and kind of pick 
some varieties out.

484
00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:06,566
And now, now, 
what's the farm doing?

485
00:19:06,566 --> 00:19:09,133
What are you growing here now? 
Roy> I'm growing blackberries.

486
00:19:09,133 --> 00:19:10,433
I bought some blackberry plugs

487
00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:14,400
...from Nurse Farms, 
and it turned out great.

488
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,166
Like you said, 
we picked out an area.

489
00:19:16,166 --> 00:19:19,100
We decided where the sun 
was going to be more sun.

490
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,533
We decided to put it 
in high tunnel and outside,

491
00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:24,666
so that worked out great. 
Zack> For our viewers,

492
00:19:24,666 --> 00:19:26,033
that are watching 
that may not be familiar

493
00:19:26,033 --> 00:19:27,800
with a high tunnel. 
What's what's a high tunnel?

494
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,266
Roy> A high tunnel is... 
It's various names for it.

495
00:19:30,266 --> 00:19:31,500
Some people 
call it a hoop house.

496
00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:33,033
Some people 
call it a greenhouse.

497
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:35,000
It's just a sheltered area,

498
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,100
with plastic 
that you can get the sun in,

499
00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,566
but you can, block out

500
00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:40,566
some of the rain. 
You can block out the rain.

501
00:19:40,566 --> 00:19:42,500
And you have some of them 
they're built different.

502
00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,166
Mine has drop down sides.

503
00:19:44,166 --> 00:19:47,533
So you have open sides 
and open front and back doors.

504
00:19:47,533 --> 00:19:48,633
Zack> Okay. 
So what's the advantage

505
00:19:48,633 --> 00:19:50,366
of being able 
to open the front doors

506
00:19:50,366 --> 00:19:51,633
and the sides 
of the greenhouse?

507
00:19:51,633 --> 00:19:52,866
Roy> For ventilation.

508
00:19:52,866 --> 00:19:54,966
You get more air circulation. 
Down here in the south,

509
00:19:54,966 --> 00:19:57,333
you know it gets pretty hot. 
Zack> It gets very hot.

510
00:19:57,333 --> 00:19:58,900
So, so you have 
some blackberries

511
00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:00,566
growing under this 
high tunnel structure,

512
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,133
and then you have 
some growing in the field.

513
00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:03,366
Can you tell us a little bit

514
00:20:03,366 --> 00:20:05,400
about the differences 
and the nuances,

515
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,300
because there are differences 
between the two, correct?

516
00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:09,866
Roy> Correct. Correct. 
In the high tunnel,

517
00:20:09,866 --> 00:20:12,000
you can control the weather. 
You can control the elements.

518
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,200
You even control the bugs 
to a certain degree.

519
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,300
So here you can,

520
00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:17,966
And then I have 
a water system.

521
00:20:17,966 --> 00:20:19,233
I have a drip 
irrigation system

522
00:20:19,233 --> 00:20:21,300
in the high tunnel. Outside,

523
00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:23,066
you get, you know, I can

524
00:20:23,066 --> 00:20:24,933
I have an irrigation system 
outside also,

525
00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:26,600
but I can't control 
the rain out there.

526
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,033
When it rains, it rains, 
and then with the bugs,

527
00:20:29,033 --> 00:20:32,533
you get more fungus. 
You get more bugs, outside.

528
00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,200
Zack> Outside than inside. 
So...so it's a protected area.

529
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,166
It's a little more sheltered,

530
00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:37,600
and you can control things 
a little bit.

531
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,966
So you're quality's a little 
better on the berries,

532
00:20:39,966 --> 00:20:41,266
potentially. 
Roy> Exactly.

533
00:20:41,266 --> 00:20:43,900
And from my take...it..the 
berries are a little sweeter.

534
00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:45,300
It's a little larger too,

535
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:46,900
inside the high tunnel.

536
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,666
Zack> Well doesn't it 
get hot in this high tunnel?

537
00:20:48,666 --> 00:20:50,966
How do you kind of combat that, 
especially during the summers?

538
00:20:52,433 --> 00:20:55,000
Roy> Open up the sides, 
pretty much.

539
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,766
And...in one of them 
I have fans in it

540
00:20:57,766 --> 00:20:59,433
that kind of keep 
the air circulating,

541
00:20:59,433 --> 00:21:01,966
but I find that it really 
doesn't affect it that much.

542
00:21:01,966 --> 00:21:05,000
Zack> Right. You also use, 
I see on these tunnels,

543
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,333
a black cloth.

544
00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:07,533
Tell us a little bit 
about that

545
00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:09,566
and why you would use that 
black cloth.

546
00:21:09,566 --> 00:21:11,466
Roy> That cloth is called 
a shade cloth.

547
00:21:11,466 --> 00:21:14,966
What it does, it shades 25% 
of the sun out.

548
00:21:14,966 --> 00:21:17,533
You can get various 
types of cloth.

549
00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:20,100
You can get them up 
to 60% shade,

550
00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,966
but I choose 25% because 
I don't want to block out

551
00:21:22,966 --> 00:21:25,466
too much of the sun because as 
you know, you need the sun-

552
00:21:25,466 --> 00:21:26,600
Zack> -Right. 
Roy>...for the blackberries.

553
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,366
Zack> But it blocks out 
enough to where, you know,

554
00:21:28,366 --> 00:21:30,766
maybe the berries aren't 
getting blistered by the sun.

555
00:21:30,766 --> 00:21:32,900
It kind of knocks down 
some of the UV rays

556
00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,766
and keeps a little better 
quality on the berries.

557
00:21:34,766 --> 00:21:36,066
Roy> 
Exactly, exactly.

558
00:21:36,066 --> 00:21:38,666
And it kind of find a good 
niche right there with the 25%.

559
00:21:38,666 --> 00:21:40,500
I think that works pretty good. 
Zack> Right.

560
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,766
Well, 
tell us a little bit about,

561
00:21:41,766 --> 00:21:43,900
the varieties 
of blackberries you grow,

562
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,033
because when I was growing up,

563
00:21:45,033 --> 00:21:47,700
I worked on a peach farm 
and we had blackberries and,

564
00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:50,666
the varieties you have here 
aren't like the varieties

565
00:21:50,666 --> 00:21:52,300
I had to pick 
they had thorns on them,

566
00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,333
and you came out 
all scratched up and bloody

567
00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:55,466
and that sort of thing.

568
00:21:55,466 --> 00:21:56,833
So tell us a little bit 
about these

569
00:21:56,833 --> 00:21:58,800
and why 
you chose these varieties.

570
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,800
Roy> Yeah, I did some research 
and I, researched a company

571
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,833
called Nurse Farms and they, 
they, produced this variety.

572
00:22:06,833 --> 00:22:09,366
It's a plug. It grows on a 
trellis. It grows.

573
00:22:09,366 --> 00:22:12,766
You put the plug in and it grows 
up, and it's thornless. It's...

574
00:22:12,766 --> 00:22:14,233
Zack> Oh, so. 
So you don't get scratched

575
00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:15,766
when you pick it. 
Roy> You don't get scratched

576
00:22:15,766 --> 00:22:17,866
and you don't have to bend over 
as far to pick them.

577
00:22:17,866 --> 00:22:19,700
You pick them. 
You put it on a trellis

578
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:21,933
and...you pick them 
on a vine

579
00:22:21,933 --> 00:22:25,333
and it grows from the cane 
and it goes to the laterals

580
00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:27,700
and the lateral, 
produces a berry.

581
00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:30,700
Zack> Okay. And so most

582
00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:32,033
blackberry 
varieties produce

583
00:22:32,033 --> 00:22:34,333
one crop a year, 
but these are different.

584
00:22:34,333 --> 00:22:36,200
And they produce 
how many crops a year?

585
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,466
Roy> So far, two.

586
00:22:37,466 --> 00:22:40,000
But, I got my fingers crossed 
I might have a third crop.

587
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,333
Zack> So three crops 
in one season?

588
00:22:41,333 --> 00:22:42,566
Roy> Three crops in one... 
Zack> Yeah.

589
00:22:42,566 --> 00:22:44,866
So, for those viewers 
at home,

590
00:22:44,866 --> 00:22:46,833
University of Arkansas 
has bred some varieties

591
00:22:46,833 --> 00:22:48,833
in the last couple of decades 
that actually produce

592
00:22:48,833 --> 00:22:50,700
blackberries twice a year.

593
00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:52,300
but as we're seeing 
in the high tunnel,

594
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,633
you might could get three 
crops a year out of them.

595
00:22:54,633 --> 00:22:56,766
So that's very encouraging 
for a farmer,

596
00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:58,633
Roy> I think so, 
because with the high tunnel,

597
00:22:58,633 --> 00:23:02,066
you get that 
early picking in April

598
00:23:02,066 --> 00:23:03,533
and then you get 
a late picking-

599
00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:04,833
Zack> -So you're picking 
blackberries in April?

600
00:23:04,833 --> 00:23:06,000
Roy> Picking in April.

601
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,233
You're starting 
to produce in April.

602
00:23:07,233 --> 00:23:08,866
Zack> Wow. So typically 
when I think of blackberries,

603
00:23:08,866 --> 00:23:11,600
we're thinking about getting 
them in, you know, May or June,

604
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,633
but you're picking 
two months early.

605
00:23:13,633 --> 00:23:15,500
Roy> Oh yeah. People are... 
the customers are amazing,

606
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,033
"Where do you get blackberries 
from at this time?"

607
00:23:17,033 --> 00:23:18,666
"It's not. 
It's out of season."

608
00:23:18,666 --> 00:23:20,666
I said, "not Simply Green". 
Zack> Right.

609
00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:23,033
So under the high tunnel 
they're coming in earlier.

610
00:23:23,033 --> 00:23:25,300
And then the field ones 
come in a little later.

611
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:27,866
And by the time 
the ones in the field come in,

612
00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:29,866
then the second crop 
is being produced on the ones

613
00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:31,700
in the tunnel. Right? 
Roy> Exactly.

614
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,933
Zack> So you're having 
basically a continuous

615
00:23:33,933 --> 00:23:37,866
harvest from April 
through when?

616
00:23:37,866 --> 00:23:40,466
Roy> April, the season, 
the first picking

617
00:23:40,466 --> 00:23:42,333
normally lasts 
about 2 to 3 weeks,

618
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:45,200
and then it stops 
and you prune everything out

619
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,366
and then you can get 
another harvest.

620
00:23:47,366 --> 00:23:52,166
probably in May, June, 
and then it stops again.

621
00:23:52,166 --> 00:23:54,733
And then I'm hoping 
that I could get another

622
00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:57,566
harvest in August, August, 
September, October are

623
00:23:57,566 --> 00:23:59,466
Zack> Wow! 
So, we were talking earlier

624
00:23:59,466 --> 00:24:00,800
before we started 
filming about,

625
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,333
you know, the maintenance 
on these blackberries and,

626
00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:05,666
and how you fertilize them 
and water them

627
00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:07,033
and prune them 
and take care of them.

628
00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:08,200
Can you walk us through

629
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,233
what that process 
looks like for you?

630
00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:12,600
Roy> That process is... 
is a long process.

631
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,666
A lot of, pruning and tipping,

632
00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:18,233
Blackberry demands 
a lot of pruning.

633
00:24:18,233 --> 00:24:20,233
If you don't prune them, 
they grow...

634
00:24:20,233 --> 00:24:21,900
they can grow up 
to the ceiling.

635
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:23,966
So you got to tip, 
when you call it tipping,

636
00:24:23,966 --> 00:24:25,633
you just tip the 
edges of them,

637
00:24:25,633 --> 00:24:28,200
and that produces the lateral, 
the lateral shoots out.

638
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,100
And that's what 
hangs on to the trellis

639
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:31,633
and you kind of tie them 
on the trellis.

640
00:24:31,633 --> 00:24:33,100
Zack> Okay. 
So the tip pruning.

641
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,733
So like we take one 
of these tips and pinch it.

642
00:24:35,733 --> 00:24:38,666
And instead of being one 
it forks out into two.

643
00:24:38,666 --> 00:24:40,900
And then it's going 
to produce blackberries

644
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:42,866
on both ends of the thing. 
Is that what you're saying?

645
00:24:42,866 --> 00:24:44,966
Roy> And sometimes, 
even go three.

646
00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:47,266
It'll fork out 
as much as three.

647
00:24:47,266 --> 00:24:49,900
Zack> So...the viewers at home 
should be tip pruning

648
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:51,400
if they want 
to get increased production.

649
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,400
Roy> Tipping is a key.

650
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,666
If you don't tip, 
you're missing out.

651
00:24:55,666 --> 00:24:56,866
Zack> Right.

652
00:24:56,866 --> 00:24:58,866
What do you do with 
the old canes that have died?

653
00:24:58,866 --> 00:25:00,700
Because these canes grow. 
They live.

654
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,500
They produce fruit, 
and then they die.

655
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,766
And it's fairly obvious 
to see which ones are dead.

656
00:25:04,766 --> 00:25:06,633
How do you 
how do you manage that?

657
00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:09,300
Roy> I prune old canes out 
and get rid of them.

658
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,966
I don't use them for anything 
else. They're just old canes.

659
00:25:11,966 --> 00:25:13,766
Hopefully, I'll find something 
to do with them.

660
00:25:13,766 --> 00:25:15,766
But right now I don't have 
any use for them.

661
00:25:15,766 --> 00:25:18,466
Zack> Right. So that's a... 
that's a big task.

662
00:25:18,466 --> 00:25:19,666
You know, 
I guess after harvest

663
00:25:19,666 --> 00:25:20,866
because you're excited 
about the harvest

664
00:25:20,866 --> 00:25:22,500
and then there's work to do 
after that. Correct?

665
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:23,666
Roy> Blackberries 
are a lot of work.

666
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,200
Yeah, it's 
a lot of work to prune it.

667
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,933
You prune everything out. 
Zack> Right.

668
00:25:27,933 --> 00:25:30,600
All right, Roy. So now 
we're at the phase

669
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,266
where we're harvesting 
these blackberries.

670
00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:33,433
Where are your markets?

671
00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:34,766
Where are you getting 
rid of these things?

672
00:25:34,766 --> 00:25:36,966
Roy> I provide blackberries 
to the Gullah co-op.

673
00:25:36,966 --> 00:25:39,666
I provide 
blackberry to the community.

674
00:25:39,666 --> 00:25:41,166
And the You-Pick bases.

675
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:43,966
And I also provide blackberry 
at a farmer's market.

676
00:25:43,966 --> 00:25:46,833
That's where I'm... 
Zack> The Gullah Co-op,

677
00:25:46,833 --> 00:25:48,833
can you tell us a little bit 
about your relationship

678
00:25:48,833 --> 00:25:50,566
with them 
and how that process works?

679
00:25:50,566 --> 00:25:51,733
Roy> They're a co-op.

680
00:25:51,733 --> 00:25:54,766
That helps, minority 
farmers, Black farmers,

681
00:25:54,766 --> 00:25:59,600
and they, they help us, 
with distributing our berries.

682
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,200
Zack> So, it's been great 
to hear about your farm

683
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,233
and what you're doing here, 
but I think you have

684
00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:08,100
a greater purpose than just 
growing blackberries and...

685
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,100
you know, 
providing them to the co-op

686
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,266
and the markets and stuff.

687
00:26:11,266 --> 00:26:12,966
What's... 
the bigger purpose here?

688
00:26:12,966 --> 00:26:15,533
Roy> It's just... 
the purpose that

689
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:18,633
I really take pride in 
is keeping the heritage,

690
00:26:18,633 --> 00:26:22,466
keeping the legacy alive 
with farming in the community.

691
00:26:22,466 --> 00:26:25,966
Back when I grew up, there were 
over 20 farmers in this area.

692
00:26:25,966 --> 00:26:27,600
Now I'm the only one.

693
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,266
And keeping it going and, 
and...having the produce

694
00:26:31,266 --> 00:26:32,500
that people can come up

695
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:35,733
and still get local produce, 
produce from,

696
00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:38,166
from a local farmer. 
And they look forward to it.

697
00:26:38,166 --> 00:26:40,366
I got, I got customers 
calling me every day.

698
00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:43,133
When will your okra be ready? 
When will your peas be ready?

699
00:26:43,133 --> 00:26:47,666
So, it's to keep it going 
and to have that, that pleasure

700
00:26:47,666 --> 00:26:51,666
in knowing that you're offering 
a good product, you know-

701
00:26:51,666 --> 00:26:52,866
Zack> -to the people 
you live around?

702
00:26:52,866 --> 00:26:54,400
>>To the people I live around. 
Zack> That's right.

703
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,766
Roy> And they come back, 
every year. <Zack> Yep.

704
00:26:56,766 --> 00:27:00,333
And because it's less and less 
farmers exist now.

705
00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:01,933
in areas in our community

706
00:27:01,933 --> 00:27:03,300
Zack> And I know 
you're providing a service

707
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,833
to the community in that way, 
but you also give back,

708
00:27:05,833 --> 00:27:07,900
by exposing youth 
to agriculture.

709
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:09,300
Can you tell us 
a little bit about

710
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:10,433
how you're involved there?

711
00:27:10,433 --> 00:27:11,833
Roy> Yeah, 
I work with the local schools.

712
00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:13,433
I work with the 
Whale Branch Elementary,

713
00:27:13,433 --> 00:27:14,833
Middle and High School.

714
00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:18,900
We have a not for profit, 
organization called

715
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,466
Heritage Community Farm, 
where we build gardens

716
00:27:21,466 --> 00:27:24,666
and the students 
are actively involved

717
00:27:24,666 --> 00:27:28,900
and they get the go 
from start to finish,

718
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,133
planting to harvesting.

719
00:27:30,133 --> 00:27:32,000
And they get, they get 
a big thrill out of it.

720
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,066
You could, you should see them,

721
00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:34,766
and during Thanksgiving, 
when we grow

722
00:27:34,766 --> 00:27:37,800
collard greens and cabbage 
and they get to take it home

723
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,166
and enjoy it, 
Zack> Proud of it, huh.

724
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:40,566
Roy> I love it 
because you can see

725
00:27:40,566 --> 00:27:41,766
the excitement on their face.

726
00:27:41,766 --> 00:27:42,966
They don't know 
about these things,

727
00:27:42,966 --> 00:27:44,300
but they grew up 
in this community

728
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,500
and they have... 
very little knowledge

729
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,300
of what 
this community was all about.

730
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,033
It was all about farming. 
Zack> Right.

731
00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:51,200
And you're also providing

732
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,500
potentially a place 
for them to work,

733
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,266
you know, if 
they come through the program

734
00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:57,000
and they have something 
to do, if they,

735
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,833
if they're interested 
in farming one day.

736
00:27:58,833 --> 00:28:00,300
Roy> 
That's right. Because...

737
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,500
a lot of young people, 
they have different talents.

738
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,166
And sometimes at a young age

739
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:06,900
they don't know 
which way to go.

740
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:08,333
And if you can 
get them started

741
00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,133
in something that they like,

742
00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:11,266
you know, 
maybe they'll catch on,

743
00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:13,066
or maybe they'll be a Zack, 
one of these days.

744
00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:14,600
Zack> Or maybe they'll 
be a Roy, one day.

745
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,066
Roy> Maybe, you know,

746
00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:17,266
Zack> Roy, thank you 
for letting us

747
00:28:17,266 --> 00:28:19,333
come out today 
and doing this interview

748
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:20,700
and hearing a little bit 
about your history

749
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,100
and your vision,

750
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,066
and your, really your heart 
for your community

751
00:28:24,066 --> 00:28:26,533
and the young generations 
coming up.

752
00:28:26,533 --> 00:28:27,733
We appreciate 
you having us today.

753
00:28:27,733 --> 00:28:29,200
Roy> Well, I thank you 
for coming out.

754
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,800
And before you go, 
I have a special treat.

755
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,266
My wife, Jackie, she makes, 
blackberry lemonade.

756
00:28:34,266 --> 00:28:37,666
That's one of the way that 
we use our blackberries.

757
00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:39,300
And you're going 
to love it.

758
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,433
Zack> All right, man, 
I'm pumped.

759
00:28:40,433 --> 00:28:44,233
♪

760
00:28:44,233 --> 00:28:47,300
♪

761
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,300
♪

762
00:28:50,300 --> 00:29:02,600
♪

763
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,333
Amanda> Thanks 
to Zack for taking us out.

764
00:29:04,333 --> 00:29:07,200
And I can see why Mr. Green's 
one of your favorite farmers.

765
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,700
And we want to thank 
ETV Lowcountry,

766
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,433
who were just wonderful 
to help us get the B-roll.

767
00:29:12,433 --> 00:29:13,866
and thank you guys.

768
00:29:13,866 --> 00:29:15,033
You really helped us 
make,

769
00:29:15,033 --> 00:29:16,633
what I think is 
a really good segment.

770
00:29:16,633 --> 00:29:20,833
Thanks a lot. 
So, hats, hats, hats....

771
00:29:20,833 --> 00:29:22,966
You know, Terasa, So it's 
kind of hard to find stuff,

772
00:29:22,966 --> 00:29:24,266
but I was very lucky.

773
00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:28,800
And, I've got some mountain 
mint, which is the white one,

774
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400
and it just 
has a wonderful smell.

775
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,233
And, and I think that's, 
a favorite of pollinators.

776
00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:38,233
Terasa> It is. 
Usually it's all abuzz.

777
00:29:38,233 --> 00:29:40,633
(all laugh)

778
00:29:40,633 --> 00:29:42,300
I don't think 
I'll be a stand up comedian

779
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:43,866
(all laugh)

780
00:29:43,866 --> 00:29:45,333
Amanda> And then 
some fennel one,

781
00:29:45,333 --> 00:29:47,466
even though this is native, 
I do think

782
00:29:47,466 --> 00:29:51,800
some of our caterpillar 
larvae, can feed on this.

783
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Isn't that right? 
Terasa> That is right.

784
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,166
The black swallowtail,

785
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,033
yes, uses lots 
of things in the...

786
00:29:56,033 --> 00:29:58,600
let's see if I get 
this right, the Apiaceae family.

787
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,200
So your parsley 
and your fennel and,

788
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,700
sometimes people get upset 
because the

789
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,500
they'll 
eat your herbs down to nubs.

790
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,700
So it's a good strategy 
if you plant some for you

791
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:08,933
and some for them too.

792
00:30:08,933 --> 00:30:11,366
Amanda> And fennel's pretty 
robust and fortunately so.

793
00:30:11,366 --> 00:30:12,866
Yeah, you probably have 
some of that.

794
00:30:12,866 --> 00:30:14,566
But fennel's fun 
to walk out in the garden

795
00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:18,033
and just pinch some seeds off 
and, and chew on those too.

796
00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:19,533
I like the way they taste.

797
00:30:19,533 --> 00:30:22,900
Well, whom else can we help?

798
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:24,733
Terasa> 
That is a great question.

799
00:30:24,733 --> 00:30:27,833
How about Bill 
from Beaufort?

800
00:30:27,833 --> 00:30:33,033
He said, "I've seen Avocados 
available in local nurseries.

801
00:30:33,033 --> 00:30:34,400
"Can I grow them..."

802
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,933
and is "there anything 
special I need to know?"

803
00:30:36,933 --> 00:30:41,333
Amanda> My husband and I go 
round and round and round

804
00:30:41,333 --> 00:30:43,766
because he wants to save 
all the Avocado seeds

805
00:30:43,766 --> 00:30:46,800
and they're not 
a very attractive houseplant,

806
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,400
because we have to bring them 
in the winter.

807
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,366
But, I mean, I don't live 
in the Lowcountry.

808
00:30:50,366 --> 00:30:51,500
What's the story down there?

809
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,333
Christopher> Well, even, 
even in the Lowcountry,

810
00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:55,533
you're really going to 
bring them in, in the winter.

811
00:30:55,533 --> 00:30:57,800
So even the most cold 
tolerant Avocados

812
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,733
are really only tolerant 
to about 24 degrees.

813
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,566
And we will occasionally have 
cold, cold enough winters,

814
00:31:03,566 --> 00:31:06,733
even along the coast, 
below 24 degrees,

815
00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:08,766
which means essentially 
you're bringing them in

816
00:31:08,766 --> 00:31:12,133
or covering them at any point 
during their existence.

817
00:31:12,133 --> 00:31:13,666
And the big thing 
with starting from seed.

818
00:31:13,666 --> 00:31:17,033
So I get this question a lot, 
where you start from seeds

819
00:31:17,033 --> 00:31:19,700
similar to citrus, 
Avocados have

820
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,000
what's known as a juvenility

821
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,100
period in which you are 
basically nursing it along

822
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,000
and not getting any fruits 
or flowers from it

823
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,700
for close to 10 to 12 years-

824
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:30,800
Amanda> -10 to 12 years?

825
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,500
Christopher>...which is a 
significant amount

826
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,300
of time- 
Amanda> -to wait for an Avocado.

827
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:35,600
Christopher> Exactly.

828
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,300
and then when it does 
finally flower,

829
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,433
you have essentially 
a small tree

830
00:31:39,433 --> 00:31:42,133
that you then have to find 
either a big enough pot

831
00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:44,800
or put it out in the yard 
where it can be protected.

832
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,200
That all being said, Avocados 
are one of those plants

833
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,666
that I generally find 
more trouble than it's worth.

834
00:31:50,666 --> 00:31:54,500
not only is the cold tolerance 
a huge question,

835
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:55,800
but there are several diseases

836
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,533
that actually affect them 
as well,

837
00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:59,466
and the one that I get 
the most concerned with...

838
00:31:59,466 --> 00:32:01,566
so along the coast, 
we used to have

839
00:32:01,566 --> 00:32:03,966
all these beautiful 
red bay trees.

840
00:32:03,966 --> 00:32:06,933
Red bays are very close 
relatives to the Avocados.

841
00:32:06,933 --> 00:32:08,366
They're actually 
in the same genera.

842
00:32:08,366 --> 00:32:10,800
and unfortunately, 
what happened

843
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,066
is, is the ambrosia 
beetle spread laurel wilt.

844
00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:16,533
So any plant 
within the Lauraceae family

845
00:32:16,533 --> 00:32:20,166
is unfortunately going to have 
some susceptibility to it.

846
00:32:20,166 --> 00:32:22,133
And Avocados, it's 
one of the first things

847
00:32:22,133 --> 00:32:24,600
if you discuss Avocado 
growing anywhere,

848
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,733
that's one 
of the first things

849
00:32:25,733 --> 00:32:27,833
you discuss 
is that possibility.

850
00:32:27,833 --> 00:32:30,600
And of course in Lowcountry 
where it's so prevalent,

851
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,700
it's generally something

852
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,200
I'm not usually 
going to recommend.

853
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,266
I will say I've seen

854
00:32:34,266 --> 00:32:36,633
the occasional Avocado 
tree doing well,

855
00:32:36,633 --> 00:32:38,066
in downtown Charleston,

856
00:32:38,066 --> 00:32:39,466
where you have the heat 
island effect.

857
00:32:39,466 --> 00:32:43,433
So that kind of microclimate 
where it's nice and warm

858
00:32:43,433 --> 00:32:46,366
even there, though, 
we're not seeing necessarily

859
00:32:46,366 --> 00:32:47,633
Avocado groves.

860
00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,400
We're seeing a tree here 
and there.

861
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,100
And the big thing 
with Avocados,

862
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:53,833
if you grow one, 
you have to have another one

863
00:32:53,833 --> 00:32:54,800
to help pollinate,

864
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,900
Amanda> Oh la, la,

865
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,233
Christopher> 
which can unfortunately

866
00:32:57,233 --> 00:32:58,666
be a little bit tricky 
because,

867
00:32:58,666 --> 00:33:01,033
they have different 
pollination schedules.

868
00:33:01,033 --> 00:33:03,466
So you have to have a group 
A pollinator and a group

869
00:33:03,466 --> 00:33:04,466
B pollinator

870
00:33:04,466 --> 00:33:05,633
because they're going 
to produce

871
00:33:05,633 --> 00:33:08,033
and accept pollen 
at different times.

872
00:33:08,033 --> 00:33:10,666
And you have to check 
to make sure that not only is

873
00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:12,500
it cold (tolerant) enough, 
but is it going to be able

874
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:15,066
to pollinate the Avocado 
you currently have?

875
00:33:15,066 --> 00:33:16,200
Amanda> Goodness gracious.

876
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,333
...if you grew one, 
you wouldn't

877
00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:19,366
have any idea what it was. 
Christopher> Exactly.

878
00:33:19,366 --> 00:33:21,566
So I...it's a big one that I

879
00:33:21,566 --> 00:33:23,300
tend to discourage though

880
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,900
I understand because they're 
getting expensive.

881
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:26,966
Unfortunately it can be

882
00:33:26,966 --> 00:33:28,466
a little bit more work 
than it's worth.

883
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:31,166
Amanda> So really, 
the answer is no.

884
00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:32,433
Christopher> Really...yes.

885
00:33:32,433 --> 00:33:34,166
Dr. Adam> That sounds like 
$40 worth of work

886
00:33:34,166 --> 00:33:35,433
for a $2 vegetable.

887
00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:37,633
Christopher> 
Exactly. (all laugh)

888
00:33:37,633 --> 00:33:39,533
Amanda> But I love hearing 
that they've got to have

889
00:33:39,533 --> 00:33:41,000
pollinators. 
That's fascinating.

890
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,566
Christopher> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 
And it's a beauty.

891
00:33:42,566 --> 00:33:44,333
I think it's a pretty tree. 
Though, as you say,

892
00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:46,433
it's not a very 
attractive houseplant.

893
00:33:46,433 --> 00:33:48,466
Amanda> Yeah. No, no. 
These skinny little things.

894
00:33:48,466 --> 00:33:51,466
(all laugh)

895
00:33:51,466 --> 00:33:53,866
Well, Terasa, who else is 
in need of some guidance?

896
00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:55,000
Terasa> 
I'm a little disappointed

897
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,900
because I do love Avocados.

898
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,166
Amanda> They sure are good. 
Terasa> Anyway.

899
00:33:59,166 --> 00:34:01,333
Well, Larry reached out 
from Myrtle Beach,

900
00:34:01,333 --> 00:34:05,200
and Larry is in luck because 
he has a question about grass.

901
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,100
And we have our expert here.

902
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,233
So Larry said, "I have Torpedo 
grass in my Bermuda lawn.

903
00:34:12,233 --> 00:34:14,266
"What can I do?"

904
00:34:14,266 --> 00:34:17,600
Amanda> Well, Adam, I don't know 
what Torpedo grass is.

905
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,533
But I guess, it's something 
that this person doesn't want.

906
00:34:20,533 --> 00:34:25,066
Dr. Adam> So Torpedo grass 
is, in my opinion,

907
00:34:25,066 --> 00:34:28,233
one of the top three 
most difficult grassy weeds

908
00:34:28,233 --> 00:34:30,400
to control in the world. 
Amanda> Oh, my Lord.

909
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,033
>> So, it was brought 
to the Gulf Coast areas

910
00:34:35,033 --> 00:34:37,800
as a potential 
forage for livestock,

911
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,433
as a lot of our-

912
00:34:40,433 --> 00:34:41,800
Amanda> -It was purposely 
introduced.

913
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,666
Dr. Adam> It was purposely 
introduced.

914
00:34:43,666 --> 00:34:46,200
Amanda> Like kudzu. 
Dr. Adam> Like...kudzu.

915
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,833
But, it turns out that cattle

916
00:34:48,833 --> 00:34:50,300
don't really get 
a lot from it.

917
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,066
So, as all 
of our introduced plants do,

918
00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:55,200
they find a place

919
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,566
where they can take hold 
and they start to spread.

920
00:34:57,566 --> 00:35:01,400
So torpedo grass looks a lot 
like the Zoysia grass does.

921
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,900
It's going to be very stiff.

922
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:04,500
And the leaves are hairy,

923
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,700
but it loves moist areas.

924
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,066
So, it's particularly 
a problem

925
00:35:11,066 --> 00:35:14,666
along the coastal regions, 
along, ditch banks

926
00:35:14,666 --> 00:35:17,733
and in, marsh areas 
that stay damp.

927
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,100
And the reason its such a 
problem is that the rhizomes.

928
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,433
So there's underground stems,

929
00:35:24,433 --> 00:35:26,500
and the roots can go 
six feet deep.

930
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,600
Amanda> Six feet deep?

931
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,266
Dr. Adam> So trying to find a 
way to control a plant-

932
00:35:32,266 --> 00:35:33,833
Amanda> Six feet down 
into the soil?

933
00:35:33,833 --> 00:35:37,566
Dr. Adam> So everyone gets, all 
a fuss about how deep the roots

934
00:35:37,566 --> 00:35:40,533
are on the lawn, 
native grasses...can get.

935
00:35:40,533 --> 00:35:43,866
Well, some of these invasive 
weeds can do the same.

936
00:35:43,866 --> 00:35:45,900
So that's one 
of the biggest issues

937
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,633
in controlling this plant.

938
00:35:48,633 --> 00:35:51,766
So fortunately for Larry, 
he does have a grass

939
00:35:51,766 --> 00:35:53,233
that's a little bit 
more tolerant

940
00:35:53,233 --> 00:35:56,333
to some of the options 
that we do have.

941
00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:59,600
So most of the time it ends up 
being that you have to spray

942
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,900
with these nonselective,

943
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:05,400
like a glyphosate product 
and just start over.

944
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,733
But you have- 
Amanda> -the whole yard?

945
00:36:06,733 --> 00:36:09,566
>> Well, at least where the 
plant is, <Amanda> Where it is.

946
00:36:09,566 --> 00:36:12,800
>> But with as aggressive 
as these stolons are,

947
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,133
you're looking at 
probably having

948
00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:18,333
to spray anywhere 
from 4 to 6 times

949
00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:20,366
just to control this Torpedo 
grass.

950
00:36:20,366 --> 00:36:21,633
Amanda> Golly, Pete!

951
00:36:21,633 --> 00:36:23,666
That's a lot. 
Dr. Adam> So,

952
00:36:25,133 --> 00:36:27,000
if he doesn't want to go 
the nonselective route,

953
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,966
there is a product 
called Quinclorac.

954
00:36:29,966 --> 00:36:32,066
It's, if you ever see 
a product that's,

955
00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:34,400
described 
as crabgrass killer,

956
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,166
it's normally 
a Quinclorac product,

957
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:39,966
but he's going 
to have to spray it

958
00:36:39,966 --> 00:36:44,300
three times, 21 days apart 
for at least two years.

959
00:36:45,266 --> 00:36:46,400
Terasa> Two years?

960
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,166
Dr. Adam>He can only do it 
three times a year

961
00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:51,633
because that's the maximum 
legal allowable rate.

962
00:36:53,133 --> 00:36:54,400
Amanda> And for how many years?

963
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,933
Adam> At least for 2 to 3 years.

964
00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:59,300
because you're essentially 
having to starve the plant.

965
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:04,366
Um...so, because of how 
serious that problem is,

966
00:37:04,366 --> 00:37:07,700
we really encourage people 
if they're bring in field dirt

967
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,000
because that's how, 
this plant spreads.

968
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,566
And a lot of our invasive 
plants in general.

969
00:37:12,566 --> 00:37:14,100
You know, 
they hide in field dirt,

970
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,366
that people bring in 
for construction.

971
00:37:16,366 --> 00:37:20,566
or, any type 
of laying for landscape,

972
00:37:20,566 --> 00:37:24,700
bring in just small segments 
of weedy or invasive plants.

973
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:29,300
So really, you know, try 
to get, reputable sources,

974
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,166
to...for that field dirt

975
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:35,433
so that you have a limit 
to reduce chance.

976
00:37:35,433 --> 00:37:38,700
Also, if you have 
a landscape company,

977
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,100
ask that they do try 
to rinse their mowers off

978
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,866
so we don't have the transport 
of potential weed seeds

979
00:37:45,866 --> 00:37:48,766
between yards. So there's no

980
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:55,633
formula or...acceptable 
parameters for topsoil.

981
00:37:55,633 --> 00:37:57,900
It's just whatever 
you can get. Right? Right.

982
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:02,866
so you do have companies 
that will try to,

983
00:38:02,866 --> 00:38:05,266
certify their topsoil.

984
00:38:05,266 --> 00:38:09,733
In terms of curing it, 
pretty much seeing it

985
00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:12,866
through a heat treatment 
to try to sanitize it.

986
00:38:12,866 --> 00:38:15,466
Amanda> Really. 
>> That's going to cost this.

987
00:38:15,466 --> 00:38:18,333
So you're going to have 
increased prices,

988
00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:19,500
and a lot of people

989
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,200
and they just think, well, 
I just need fill dirt

990
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,766
or they're looking 
for massive amounts.

991
00:38:23,766 --> 00:38:26,400
So, they're not looking 
for quality.

992
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,500
We're looking for quantity.

993
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:28,766
Amanda> Well, 
and when people come

994
00:38:28,766 --> 00:38:30,866
so many people 
are moving here Terasa,

995
00:38:30,866 --> 00:38:33,366
and lots of 
developments are going up.

996
00:38:33,366 --> 00:38:35,333
And the developer

997
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:37,566
has done all the work 
before they get there.

998
00:38:37,566 --> 00:38:40,333
So they didn't have any 
control over what

999
00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:41,633
topsoil or filter.

1000
00:38:41,633 --> 00:38:42,833
Christopher> 
And a lot of that soil

1001
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,766
is being moved around too. 
When they develop,

1002
00:38:44,766 --> 00:38:46,733
they scrape it clean 
and then they move it,

1003
00:38:46,733 --> 00:38:48,166
sell it off to someone else.

1004
00:38:48,166 --> 00:38:51,400
And that's oftentimes how 
that's being spread around.

1005
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,066
And you're just seeing 
that more and more

1006
00:38:53,066 --> 00:38:55,000
as the developments spread.

1007
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,466
Amanda> 
And getting a cow won't help?

1008
00:38:56,466 --> 00:38:57,566
(all laugh)

1009
00:38:57,566 --> 00:38:59,466
You know, well...shoot...

1010
00:38:59,466 --> 00:39:01,833
I mean, that...(laughs)

1011
00:39:01,833 --> 00:39:03,066
Well, shoot! 
Terasa> Probably not allowable

1012
00:39:03,066 --> 00:39:08,300
in most HOAs. (all laugh) 
I like the creative thinking.

1013
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:11,066
Amanda> Cows are 
kind of fun, you know.

1014
00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:13,633
Okay, well, okay Terasa.

1015
00:39:13,633 --> 00:39:15,933
That was kind 
of a discouraging question,

1016
00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:17,566
but thanks for 
at least giving him

1017
00:39:17,566 --> 00:39:19,433
an option 
I really appreciate it.

1018
00:39:19,433 --> 00:39:21,433
Is that a herbicide 
that he can afford?

1019
00:39:21,433 --> 00:39:22,666
Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am. 
Amanda> It's not

1020
00:39:22,666 --> 00:39:23,833
horribly expensive. 
Dr. Adam> No.

1021
00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:27,000
So a lot of these, 
Quinclorac products are very,

1022
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,033
because that product's 
been around for so long,

1023
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:30,366
you can get them in 
generic form.

1024
00:39:30,366 --> 00:39:32,666
So they're can (be) very cheap

1025
00:39:32,666 --> 00:39:33,866
compared to a lot 
of other options.

1026
00:39:33,866 --> 00:39:35,966
Amanda> Okay. Well 
thanks for that happy news.

1027
00:39:35,966 --> 00:39:38,633
Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am. 
Amanda> All right, Terasa.

1028
00:39:38,633 --> 00:39:41,300
Terasa> Well this one 
is a pretty simple question.

1029
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,233
It came in 
from Mary in Summerville.

1030
00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:46,366
She said, 
she has a weed in her yard,

1031
00:39:46,366 --> 00:39:49,166
and she would like us 
to help her identify it.

1032
00:39:49,166 --> 00:39:50,366
Amanda> Well, Christopher, 
I think you looked

1033
00:39:50,366 --> 00:39:53,200
at that picture 
and, came up with an answer.

1034
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,666
Christopher> Well, 
because it's easy to find.

1035
00:39:54,666 --> 00:39:59,066
so I brought in a sample 
pulled in from a drive or,

1036
00:39:59,066 --> 00:40:01,400
parking lot. Actually, 
it was a gravel parking lot.

1037
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,100
So, tells you 
how easily this thing grows,

1038
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,833
but the weed itself is called 
poor man's pepper, or

1039
00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:11,366
pepper wart or pepper grass 
there's a 100 different names.

1040
00:40:11,366 --> 00:40:13,966
but the pepper part 
is, I find very interesting.

1041
00:40:13,966 --> 00:40:18,066
So it's a plant that's in the 
Brassica family, and so-

1042
00:40:18,066 --> 00:40:20,200
Amanda> Tell people what 
that means,

1043
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,466
Christopher> which means it's

1044
00:40:21,466 --> 00:40:24,666
related to, like, broccoli, 
collards, things like that.

1045
00:40:24,666 --> 00:40:26,966
and the big thing with that is, 
is a lot of plants

1046
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:30,066
in that family 
are at least remotely edible.

1047
00:40:30,066 --> 00:40:31,433
but the nice thing about

1048
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:34,700
this one is it's 
got a slight peppery taste.

1049
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,233
Amanda> I mean, I'd love to pick 
it up when I'm out walking

1050
00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:40,100
Christopher> The foliage, is 
can be put in salads.

1051
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,966
It has a similar not quite 
as rich as arugula

1052
00:40:42,966 --> 00:40:45,333
but it has kind of 
a similar pepperiness to it.

1053
00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:49,066
And the, the immature seed pods 
can actually be

1054
00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:52,466
used as an alternative 
to black pepper corn,

1055
00:40:52,466 --> 00:40:55,000
which of course does not grow 
here. It's not native here.

1056
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,533
Amanda> So this is native 
Christopher> This is native here

1057
00:40:57,533 --> 00:40:59,100
So while it's a weed,

1058
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,500
unfortunately most people 
don't really like it,

1059
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,333
you're not really 
cultivating it.

1060
00:41:03,333 --> 00:41:05,100
If you happen to see it out,

1061
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,566
again, that the foliage is, 
is quite tasty,

1062
00:41:07,566 --> 00:41:09,333
and it grows 
just about anywhere

1063
00:41:09,333 --> 00:41:11,533
and is quite an interesting 
little plant.

1064
00:41:11,533 --> 00:41:14,866
Amanda> Well, and Terasa, 
it can get kind of big,

1065
00:41:14,866 --> 00:41:17,966
and, it's beautiful dried.

1066
00:41:17,966 --> 00:41:21,366
Terasa> Oh, that I can see 
being used in an arrangement.

1067
00:41:21,366 --> 00:41:24,266
Christopher> Yeah. Well, it's 
got these disc shaped seed pods.

1068
00:41:24,266 --> 00:41:25,433
I mean, those flowers

1069
00:41:25,433 --> 00:41:27,466
kind of come out. 
They're white.

1070
00:41:27,466 --> 00:41:30,966
They're not super showy, 
but those seed pods persist,

1071
00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:32,200
even when it dies.

1072
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,266
And of course, when it dies, 
it's got this nice,

1073
00:41:34,266 --> 00:41:37,066
interesting shape with its 
interesting seed pods.

1074
00:41:37,066 --> 00:41:39,200
I think it's quite, 
quite attractive, dry.

1075
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,466
Amanda> And it's not found in 
turf grass.

1076
00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:43,800
It's not a problem there. 
(laughter)

1077
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,566
Dr. Adam> If it was. Brassicas 
are fairly easy to maintain-

1078
00:41:47,566 --> 00:41:49,033
Amanda> But I've never seen. 
I mean,

1079
00:41:49,033 --> 00:41:50,233
you usually 
just kind of see it

1080
00:41:50,233 --> 00:41:51,766
when you're walking 
around the side of the road

1081
00:41:51,766 --> 00:41:53,900
and you know, cracks 
and things like that.

1082
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,933
Well thanks, Christopher. 
That was a lot of fun, and

1083
00:41:55,933 --> 00:41:57,233
I'm going to pit some of that

1084
00:41:57,233 --> 00:41:59,100
and had it with my lunch, 
if that's okay.

1085
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:03,000
I think it's wonderful 
to see how farmers,

1086
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,366
especially down in,

1087
00:42:04,366 --> 00:42:06,766
you know, they might 
specialize in one thing

1088
00:42:06,766 --> 00:42:08,466
and it's hard for them 
to find a market

1089
00:42:08,466 --> 00:42:10,333
for things and transport it 
there and all that.

1090
00:42:10,333 --> 00:42:12,133
And so there's a movement to...

1091
00:42:12,133 --> 00:42:14,000
to make it easier 
for them to do that,

1092
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,966
and one of the places 
is GrowFood Carolina.

1093
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,166
Amanda> I'm in 
Charleston, South Carolina,

1094
00:42:22,166 --> 00:42:24,033
talking to Benton Montgomery.

1095
00:42:24,033 --> 00:42:28,966
And you're the program director 
for GrowFood Carolina.

1096
00:42:28,966 --> 00:42:31,466
and I think you all are under 
the umbrella of the

1097
00:42:31,466 --> 00:42:33,066
Coastal Conservation League.

1098
00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:36,033
So tell us about your, 
parent organization

1099
00:42:36,033 --> 00:42:38,000
and about y'all. 
Benton> Absolutely

1100
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,500
The Coastal Conservation League,

1101
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:43,300
saw the need to preserve 
the rural resources,

1102
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,133
down here along the coast, 
they saw the development

1103
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:47,966
kind of encroaching 
and wanted to provide,

1104
00:42:47,966 --> 00:42:50,466
situation to where farmers 
could stay on their land

1105
00:42:50,466 --> 00:42:53,333
to protect this beautiful, 
land, water, and wildlife

1106
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:54,700
we have in the area.

1107
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:58,300
And so, they created the 
GrowFood Carolina program,

1108
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,433
where we are 
a nonprofit food hub

1109
00:43:00,433 --> 00:43:03,933
that helps those growers, 
find markets for their,

1110
00:43:03,933 --> 00:43:07,000
different produce, 
as well as offering services

1111
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
to connect them 
to different resources

1112
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800
like grants, as well as crop 
planning and stuff like that

1113
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,100
then, should go with

1114
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:14,533
with the main goal 
of preserving

1115
00:43:14,533 --> 00:43:18,266
many acres of land 
for, rural, use that we can

1116
00:43:18,266 --> 00:43:19,766
Amanda> because you've got 
great farmers.

1117
00:43:19,766 --> 00:43:21,900
But how in the world 
could you be a farmer

1118
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,400
and figure out who was gonna, 
you know, to whom you could,

1119
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,100
you know, take your products 
and, and then get them there

1120
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,800
driving all over east Carolina,

1121
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,300
you know, trying 
to get all that done.

1122
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,766
And y'all kind of... 
do all of that for them.

1123
00:43:34,766 --> 00:43:36,800
All they have to do 
is get stuff here I believe.

1124
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,933
Benton> That's right. 
So we provide

1125
00:43:37,933 --> 00:43:40,166
the aggregate, aggregation to 
store the food here

1126
00:43:40,166 --> 00:43:42,300
and then the distribution. 
We have the sales team

1127
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,866
that has great networks 
amongst

1128
00:43:43,866 --> 00:43:46,366
all the different restaurants 
here in Charleston,

1129
00:43:46,366 --> 00:43:47,500
as well, Savannah, Columbia,

1130
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,966
Greenville, Hilton Head, 
and Bluffton as well.

1131
00:43:50,966 --> 00:43:52,533
I know this 
is expanded a lot-

1132
00:43:52,533 --> 00:43:55,533
Amanda> And so about how many 
farmers do your deal with

1133
00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:56,900
in this area 
now, what you think?

1134
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:58,766
Benton> It's about, 
about 100 total farmers

1135
00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:01,400
that stretch all across 
the entire state, north,

1136
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,133
our focus 
and most of our growers

1137
00:44:03,133 --> 00:44:05,033
are kind of down here 
in the Lowcountry.

1138
00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:06,866
Amanda> Lots of farmers, 
lots of restaurants.

1139
00:44:06,866 --> 00:44:09,033
How do you make it 
all come together?

1140
00:44:09,033 --> 00:44:10,366
Benton> So we have 
an awesome team

1141
00:44:10,366 --> 00:44:12,466
that is constantly 
communicating with our growers

1142
00:44:12,466 --> 00:44:13,733
to find out 
what their availability

1143
00:44:13,733 --> 00:44:15,733
is going to be, how the weather 
is affecting it,

1144
00:44:15,733 --> 00:44:17,500
how much they're 
going to have available,

1145
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:19,000
and they're communicating 
with our sales team

1146
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,400
to find out, okay, it's

1147
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,300
going to show up on this day, 
this many cases.

1148
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:24,033
They're on the phone 
with the different restaurants

1149
00:44:24,033 --> 00:44:26,566
and then updating our avail- 
ability list, which is kind

1150
00:44:26,566 --> 00:44:29,466
of like a live look in on what 
we're going to have, on site

1151
00:44:29,466 --> 00:44:31,166
so that, chefs 
can come to the warehouse

1152
00:44:31,166 --> 00:44:34,133
or they can place an order 
and we'll deliver to them.

1153
00:44:34,133 --> 00:44:36,000
Amanda> Along the same lines 
as what y'all want to do,

1154
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,333
The South Carolina 
Department of Agriculture

1155
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:39,666
promotes fresh on the menu,

1156
00:44:39,666 --> 00:44:42,166
which ties in beautifully 
with your concerns.

1157
00:44:42,166 --> 00:44:44,966
Benton> No, it does, and it's 
all about kind of, you know,

1158
00:44:44,966 --> 00:44:47,766
providing consumer education 
around seasonality.

1159
00:44:47,766 --> 00:44:49,300
And some of them, 
have had a great relationship

1160
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,200
with SCDA 
for, for a long time,

1161
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,266
and helping 
with those kind of resources.

1162
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,500
Amanda> I followed, y'all 
during the pandemic,

1163
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:59,566
of course, all 
the restaurants were closed.

1164
00:44:59,566 --> 00:45:01,233
And that was the basis of your

1165
00:45:01,233 --> 00:45:03,066
whole operation 
there between the farmers

1166
00:45:03,066 --> 00:45:04,533
and the restaurants.

1167
00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:08,666
And y'all started some pretty 
incredible outreach programs.

1168
00:45:08,666 --> 00:45:10,733
Benton> No, we did and you're 
right, it was like,

1169
00:45:10,733 --> 00:45:12,666
all of a sudden there's all this 
produce had been planned,

1170
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:13,900
for the...for the year,

1171
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,300
and then there were 
no restaurants

1172
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:16,566
to really sell 
to at that time.

1173
00:45:16,566 --> 00:45:20,500
And so we developed, 
the Soil to Sustenance program

1174
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,233
at GrowFood Carolina, which,

1175
00:45:22,233 --> 00:45:25,866
we bring in funds to then 
build boxes,

1176
00:45:25,866 --> 00:45:27,933
or we purchase produce 
from the farmers

1177
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:30,133
with those funds, 
and then build boxes

1178
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:31,533
and then work 
with other organizations

1179
00:45:31,533 --> 00:45:34,000
to make sure we're getting 
those out to those in need.

1180
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,300
So everything was growing 
and ready to be harvested,

1181
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,666
and now we had funds 
to purchase that.

1182
00:45:38,666 --> 00:45:42,366
The way that we kind of fuel 
our, Soil to Sustenance program

1183
00:45:42,366 --> 00:45:45,000
is through our direct, 
GrowFood Carolina boxes

1184
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,566
that we sell to our, 
the public

1185
00:45:47,566 --> 00:45:49,800
and to different donors, 
that we...

1186
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,533
they will buy a box 
and also donate funds to the,

1187
00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:57,066
Soil to Sustenance program 
to fund that food access side,

1188
00:45:57,066 --> 00:46:00,400
which then kind of morphed 
into our working with the

1189
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,833
Head Start programs here 
in Charleston County,

1190
00:46:02,833 --> 00:46:04,266
where we've partnered 
with different

1191
00:46:04,266 --> 00:46:06,966
health care organizations 
like, Diabetes for USC

1192
00:46:06,966 --> 00:46:12,133
and the MUSC Boeing... 
Center for Children's Wellness.

1193
00:46:12,133 --> 00:46:14,200
And they've provided 
partnerships

1194
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,666
and funding for us 
to purchase produce

1195
00:46:16,666 --> 00:46:20,066
to then, distribute 
to about 900 or so families

1196
00:46:20,066 --> 00:46:23,033
on the every other week 
basis here in Charleston County

1197
00:46:23,033 --> 00:46:24,700
to about 13 to 14 
different schools.

1198
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,300
So we have...the growers 
bring all that produce to us.

1199
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,600
and then we use, 
a volunteer group

1200
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,400
to build the boxes, 
and then we distribute

1201
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,600
out to the 
different schools there.

1202
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,100
And that's been a 
really big game changer for us,

1203
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,833
how we're able to plan 
with certain growers

1204
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:40,200
and then even sell products

1205
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,866
that we don't sell 
as much to restaurants like,

1206
00:46:42,866 --> 00:46:44,500
cabbage, collards, 
and sweet potatoes...

1207
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,100
been able to help us 
really, increase the volume

1208
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,066
for those type of, products-

1209
00:46:49,066 --> 00:46:50,933
Amanda>-which the consumers 
are delighted to have.

1210
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:52,066
Benton> Yeah, absolutely.

1211
00:46:52,066 --> 00:46:53,400
Amanda> And 
I think occasionally,

1212
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,366
if there's something in there 
that's a little bit different,

1213
00:46:55,366 --> 00:46:59,300
you'll sometimes even have 
people develop menus,

1214
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:00,533
or recipes, and,

1215
00:47:00,533 --> 00:47:04,200
and you communicate with the 
children and their parents

1216
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,200
so that you can get them 
to try new things.

1217
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,166
Benton> Right. And so, providing 
recipes has been a big part

1218
00:47:09,166 --> 00:47:10,400
of that program as well,

1219
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,766
and making sure to partner 
with folks who can...

1220
00:47:13,766 --> 00:47:16,900
also providing kind of like, 
education around the nutrition

1221
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:18,933
and actually 
preparing the meals as well,

1222
00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:21,866
I think is a fundamental 
part of the, the process,

1223
00:47:21,866 --> 00:47:23,600
which is kind of 
where we got with the,

1224
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,600
the virtual taste test 
that we started about a year

1225
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,300
and a half or so ago- 
Amanda>A virtual taste test?

1226
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,166
So lets talk about that.

1227
00:47:30,166 --> 00:47:33,166
Benton> We will deliver fruits 
to different, schools.

1228
00:47:33,166 --> 00:47:35,600
so we've worked different, 
schools districts,

1229
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,000
we've worked with, Barnwell, 
with Anderson, Beaufort,

1230
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,300
Hampton, several different 
school districts.

1231
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,033
And we'll deliver the produce 
directly to the schools.

1232
00:47:45,033 --> 00:47:46,600
And then the next day 
we'll jump on

1233
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,133
to a virtual taste test 
where we'll talk about

1234
00:47:49,133 --> 00:47:50,833
the different 
nutritional aspects,

1235
00:47:50,833 --> 00:47:52,933
kind of some 
of the science and history

1236
00:47:52,933 --> 00:47:55,033
behind 
different varieties of fruit.

1237
00:47:55,033 --> 00:47:56,566
And then we taste 
the fruit together

1238
00:47:56,566 --> 00:47:57,700
and then the most fun

1239
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,233
is taking the questions 
and answers from the,

1240
00:47:59,233 --> 00:48:00,766
from the 
elementary school kids.

1241
00:48:00,766 --> 00:48:04,400
You know, they provide the real 
interesting, moments there.

1242
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,533
Amanda> Because some of them

1243
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:07,333
may not have even 
had blueberries before

1244
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:08,766
or some of the other things

1245
00:48:08,766 --> 00:48:10,333
that you provide sometimes 
Benton> Definitely,

1246
00:48:10,333 --> 00:48:12,833
and, and so...they love 
to learn about the way it grows

1247
00:48:12,833 --> 00:48:14,433
because they haven't seen it 
growing in action.

1248
00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:17,000
So that's always a fun 
part, as well.

1249
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,700
And just to get something 
so fresh versus

1250
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:20,866
some of the grocery store stuff,

1251
00:48:20,866 --> 00:48:22,233
they're always excited 
about that.

1252
00:48:22,233 --> 00:48:24,733
Amanda> So that's 
become a major part

1253
00:48:24,733 --> 00:48:26,566
of your mission statement now.

1254
00:48:26,566 --> 00:48:28,200
Benton> It has. 
It absolutely has.

1255
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,233
And it's, really been able 
to still crop plant

1256
00:48:32,233 --> 00:48:34,233
in certain ways 
and also just engage back

1257
00:48:34,233 --> 00:48:35,800
with community, 
with the public,

1258
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,933
and which it also,

1259
00:48:36,933 --> 00:48:39,700
for our employees 
and teams here, really love.

1260
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:40,833
And I think, you know,

1261
00:48:40,833 --> 00:48:42,766
you've seen some of them 
as well as spoken with them,

1262
00:48:42,766 --> 00:48:44,300
they love the food access 
side of things.

1263
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,000
Because it does, 
it feels good,

1264
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,366
It always feels good 
to sell to restaurants

1265
00:48:47,366 --> 00:48:48,500
cause you're helping 
with the growers,

1266
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,633
it feels even better,

1267
00:48:49,633 --> 00:48:50,966
when you do 
the full circle thing

1268
00:48:50,966 --> 00:48:53,300
and then, you know, feed 
the community, like

1269
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,266
like that from the, 
the awesome produce

1270
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:56,933
you get 
from our growers in the area.

1271
00:48:57,933 --> 00:49:00,766
Amanda> Benton, the original 
mission, which was to help

1272
00:49:00,766 --> 00:49:03,333
farmers keep their family 
lands in the family

1273
00:49:03,333 --> 00:49:06,500
and to let restaurants 
showcase how wonderful

1274
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,266
the food that our farmers 
grow is,

1275
00:49:08,266 --> 00:49:09,933
was already pretty exciting,

1276
00:49:09,933 --> 00:49:11,900
but now, 
with the Soil To Sustenance,

1277
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,600
and getting things to people 
who would never get to go

1278
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,700
to these fancy restaurants

1279
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:18,466
and all that, 
and getting children

1280
00:49:18,466 --> 00:49:20,766
to understand what's happening 
in their local communities,

1281
00:49:20,766 --> 00:49:23,200
what's being grown 
and where it all comes from.

1282
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,800
It's just a wonderful idea 
that you all have,

1283
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,000
and I'm so happy 
that you've been able

1284
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
to expand it and make it 
what it is now. Thank you.

1285
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,200
Benton> Thank you 
so much, Amanda.

1286
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,100
We appreciate you 
highlighting us here,

1287
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,900
us, in the story is, 
we look to improve as much,

1288
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,166
you know, food access 
in the area that we can.

1289
00:49:43,266 --> 00:49:45,600
Amanda> I hope you enjoyed 
learning about that and seeing

1290
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,000
how they're trying to get kids 
to try different foods.

1291
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,833
It's just 
a great organization.

1292
00:49:49,833 --> 00:49:51,900
We've had a good time 
going down there.

1293
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,833
Well Terasa, 
who else can we help?

1294
00:49:54,833 --> 00:49:58,533
Terasa> We are hopefully going 
to help Janet in Edisto Island.

1295
00:49:58,533 --> 00:50:01,700
I can feel the distress 
in these words. She says,

1296
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:03,766
"I can't seem to get anything

1297
00:50:03,766 --> 00:50:07,400
"to grow in my yard between 
the sandy soil and the deer.

1298
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,200
"Do you have any ideas?"

1299
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,100
Amanda> Goodness gracious.

1300
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:11,900
And deer, you know,

1301
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,033
with all the development 
that's going on,

1302
00:50:14,033 --> 00:50:16,866
they really are having to go 
anywhere and everywhere

1303
00:50:16,866 --> 00:50:18,233
to try to find something 
to eat.

1304
00:50:18,233 --> 00:50:19,866
Terasa> They're a 
big problem for our,

1305
00:50:19,866 --> 00:50:22,933
for our larger 
Ag producers, as well.

1306
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:25,066
Soybeans, 
I know, are a favorite.

1307
00:50:25,066 --> 00:50:29,133
So I know we have, 
some folks doing research on

1308
00:50:29,133 --> 00:50:32,800
how, how we can effectively 
deal with that deer pressure.

1309
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,233
Amanda> Oh, 
gracious goodness.

1310
00:50:34,233 --> 00:50:35,966
Well, what do you think, 
Christopher?

1311
00:50:35,966 --> 00:50:38,666
Christopher> Well, one of the 
things that I always

1312
00:50:38,666 --> 00:50:41,533
tend to turn to when it 
comes to deer, are grasses.

1313
00:50:41,533 --> 00:50:43,233
And so oftentimes

1314
00:50:43,233 --> 00:50:46,833
grasses are things 
that deer will browse on,

1315
00:50:46,833 --> 00:50:48,333
but it really doesn't 
affect the plant,

1316
00:50:48,333 --> 00:50:49,800
and generally 
they're not going to like it

1317
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,833
nearly as much as other things.

1318
00:50:51,833 --> 00:50:53,200
And so there's 
lots of different

1319
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,233
native grasses 
that can be grown.

1320
00:50:56,233 --> 00:50:58,433
Obviously, they're not going to 
touch your turf grass

1321
00:50:58,433 --> 00:51:00,433
for the most part, 
but they're also generally

1322
00:51:00,433 --> 00:51:02,966
not going to touch 
a lot of ornamental grasses,

1323
00:51:02,966 --> 00:51:04,266
especially the native ones.

1324
00:51:04,266 --> 00:51:06,766
So things like your sweet grass, 
things like your Switch grass,

1325
00:51:06,766 --> 00:51:09,633
things like your Fakahatchee, 
any of those.

1326
00:51:09,633 --> 00:51:12,666
And so I find a lot 
of those really work well,

1327
00:51:12,666 --> 00:51:14,800
and generally 
you're not necessarily

1328
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,633
the most difficult ones to find,

1329
00:51:16,633 --> 00:51:18,700
especially 
with the kind of emergence

1330
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,066
of a lot of these 
native plant groups,

1331
00:51:21,066 --> 00:51:22,233
whether it's 
a native plant society,

1332
00:51:22,233 --> 00:51:24,533
whether it's these nurseries 
that are producing them.

1333
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:26,633
And of course, a lot of them 
are really starting

1334
00:51:26,633 --> 00:51:28,900
to encourage 
those native grasses.

1335
00:51:30,366 --> 00:51:33,533
And the other group that I 
really love to see more of,

1336
00:51:33,533 --> 00:51:35,733
and especially if you have 
a little bit of shade,

1337
00:51:35,733 --> 00:51:37,633
are what's known as sedges,

1338
00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:40,766
specifically sedges 
in the Carex genus.

1339
00:51:40,766 --> 00:51:43,200
Of course, 
Carex is a very large genus,

1340
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,433
it's one of the largest, 
in the world.

1341
00:51:45,433 --> 00:51:47,700
And of course, there's so many 
different types we have.

1342
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:51,133
I mean, 100 different species 
here in South Carolina,

1343
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:53,800
but there are several that 
work really well, kind of as

1344
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,133
that kind of grass like plant.

1345
00:51:56,133 --> 00:51:59,066
And of course, deer 
do not like sedges at all.

1346
00:51:59,066 --> 00:52:01,466
Amanda> Sedges have edges. 
Christopher> Sedges have edges.

1347
00:52:01,466 --> 00:52:03,566
And so oftentimes 
those will work really well,

1348
00:52:03,566 --> 00:52:04,900
especially because

1349
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,566
they're already found oftentimes 
in those sandy soils.

1350
00:52:07,566 --> 00:52:10,966
Amanda> Adam, do the native 
grasses have a deep taproot

1351
00:52:10,966 --> 00:52:14,233
or is the root system 
pretty extensive, sometimes?

1352
00:52:14,233 --> 00:52:16,600
Dr. Adam> So with a lot of our, 
our native plants,

1353
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,866
they, they do have a reputation

1354
00:52:17,866 --> 00:52:20,633
for having deeper roots 
because we don't mow them,

1355
00:52:20,633 --> 00:52:22,466
we're not constantly 
pruning the top of them

1356
00:52:22,466 --> 00:52:25,200
so it allows their root system 
to develop further.

1357
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,800
Amanda> That's why it happens? 
Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am.

1358
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,600
So, you know, 
as you kind of plant

1359
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,333
all that energy has to go back 
into regeneration,

1360
00:52:31,333 --> 00:52:34,333
so it's, it's stealing 
from the roots, essentially.

1361
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:36,666
But like Chris was saying,

1362
00:52:36,666 --> 00:52:38,500
especially with our sandy 
soils,

1363
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,066
they are typically very low 
fertility.

1364
00:52:41,066 --> 00:52:45,266
So our native grasses from,

1365
00:52:45,266 --> 00:52:48,000
the, the Midlands now 
have developed,

1366
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,933
kind of to be sustainable in 
very poor low fertility soil.

1367
00:52:52,933 --> 00:52:56,333
So whereas, with 
as much as it pains me,

1368
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:57,866
whereas a turf grass 
may be a little bit

1369
00:52:57,866 --> 00:53:00,500
more maintenance 
because of poor soil,

1370
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:01,700
these native grasses,

1371
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:03,700
they're adapted to it, 
they can tolerate it.

1372
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:05,700
And the other nice thing 
about native grasses

1373
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:09,033
is because there's been more 
of an emphasis on it.

1374
00:53:09,033 --> 00:53:11,566
we do have various 
cultivars of it.

1375
00:53:11,566 --> 00:53:15,533
It's not just, 
what you see, naturally-

1376
00:53:15,533 --> 00:53:16,666
Amanda> If you were 
walking around

1377
00:53:16,666 --> 00:53:19,500
Dr. Adam> So, 
you can get various, colors.

1378
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,533
but then also with grasses...

1379
00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:24,733
they're under appreciated

1380
00:53:24,733 --> 00:53:27,633
for they're texture that they 
bring to a landscape.

1381
00:53:27,633 --> 00:53:32,300
You have so many different 
colors and feels to them-

1382
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,000
Amanda> And they're 
different heights?

1383
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Dr. Adam> Exactly. 
So, you know,

1384
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,866
I believe the 
very one of the more

1385
00:53:37,866 --> 00:53:41,500
under appreciated parts 
of the landscape because of,

1386
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:42,866
not just their color 
but texture.

1387
00:53:42,866 --> 00:53:44,766
But then also 
they do have flowers.

1388
00:53:44,766 --> 00:53:47,900
People don't appreciate 
the flowers of grasses,

1389
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:50,966
but they do have, you know, 
various looks to them.

1390
00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:53,633
So, broomsedge, 
everyone thinks about

1391
00:53:53,633 --> 00:53:57,666
having those, speckled little, 
feathery parts on them.

1392
00:53:57,666 --> 00:54:01,100
those are flower seed heads.

1393
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,233
And...they add a 
nice texture to a landscape

1394
00:54:03,233 --> 00:54:05,633
that, as Chris was saying, 
are not palatable to,

1395
00:54:05,633 --> 00:54:09,600
deer, deer, more forbs 
and prefer broadleaf and well,

1396
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,333
Amanda> Well will they 
spread from seeds or?

1397
00:54:13,533 --> 00:54:16,933
Dr. Adam> So when establishing 
some of these plants,

1398
00:54:16,933 --> 00:54:18,733
we find that the germination

1399
00:54:18,733 --> 00:54:22,800
rate for their, 
their, seeds are low,

1400
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,666
and also for a lot of these 
native grasses, they

1401
00:54:26,666 --> 00:54:30,266
evolved with 
the development of fire.

1402
00:54:30,266 --> 00:54:34,666
So they do require, either 
some type of stratification,

1403
00:54:34,666 --> 00:54:36,066
or scarification.

1404
00:54:36,066 --> 00:54:39,000
So the seed has to be disturbed, 
or you do have to have

1405
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
some type 
of temperature inversion

1406
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,500
to actually 
encourage them to develop.

1407
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:46,366
Amanda> Well, should I buy...

1408
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:47,666
if they're not 
going to do that,

1409
00:54:47,666 --> 00:54:49,566
should I try 
to find a lot of smaller ones

1410
00:54:49,566 --> 00:54:52,600
or can you find them 
in a smaller size?

1411
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,733
Dr. Adam> Yes, ma'am.

1412
00:54:53,733 --> 00:54:57,733
I find that going with three 
inch plugs,

1413
00:54:57,733 --> 00:55:02,366
so quart size plants, 
you know, we were,

1414
00:55:02,366 --> 00:55:03,900
that's what we're discussing,

1415
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:08,300
finding them from local 
nurseries, with the expanse,

1416
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:10,566
or expansion of interest 
in natives,

1417
00:55:10,566 --> 00:55:12,466
a lot more people carrying them. 
Amanda> Thank you so much.

1418
00:55:12,466 --> 00:55:14,400
And I think some of them 
are larval food sources,

1419
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,566
which is also great.

1420
00:55:15,566 --> 00:55:17,133
It's great that you are 
with us tonight,

1421
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:19,633
and I hope you'll be with this 
next time too. Night, night.

1422
00:55:19,633 --> 00:55:27,900
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1424
00:55:32,433 --> 00:55:39,833
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00:55:39,833 --> 00:55:46,666
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00:55:46,666 --> 00:55:49,600
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1427
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1428
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1429
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consumers identify

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foods and agricultural products 
that are grown, harvested

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or raised right here 
in the Palmetto State.

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Mcleod Farms in 
McBee, South Carolina,

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family owned and 
operated since 1916.

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This family farm offers 
seasonal produce,

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including over 40 
varieties of peaches.

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Wesley Commons, a full 
service continuing care

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retirement community 
located on more than

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150 wooded acres in 
Greenwood, South Carolina.

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Additional funding 
provided by

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the South Carolina 
Farm Bureau Federation

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and Farm Bureau Insurance

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and Boone Hall Farms.