WEBVTT 00:01.466 --> 00:04.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% GEOFF BENNETT: Another big day at the U.S. Supreme Court, 00:04.000 --> 00:09.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% as the justices handed down a decision with major implications for firearm regulations. 00:10.800 --> 00:13.800 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% In a 6-3 ruling, the conservative majority found that the government 00:13.800 --> 00:18.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% exceeded its authority when it issued a ban in 2018 on bump stocks. That's a gun 00:20.300 --> 00:22.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% accessory used in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. 00:22.766 --> 00:25.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: A bump stock is used on the back end of a 00:25.000 --> 00:29.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% semiautomatic rifle. It allows the user to reengage the trigger continuously, 00:29.633 --> 00:33.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% dramatically increasing the rate of fire like that of an automatic weapon. 00:33.933 --> 00:38.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Marcia Coyle, our Supreme Court analyst, has been following this case closely and joins me now. 00:44.500 --> 00:46.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Marcia, it's always great to speak with you. 00:46.566 --> 00:50.866 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So, this federal bump stock ban was approved back in 2018 by then-President Trump, 00:50.866 --> 00:55.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and it was in response to that 2017 Las Vegas outdoor music concert shooting; 00:57.200 --> 00:59.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 58 people were killed. A bump stock was used in that. 00:59.566 --> 01:04.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But just remind us, how did this issue get before the Supreme Court in the first place? 01:06.366 --> 01:08.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE, "The National Law Journal": The way so many cases do, Amna. 01:08.533 --> 01:13.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Michael Cargill, who was a gun shop owner in Austin, Texas, filed a lawsuit challenging the 01:15.300 --> 01:18.833 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Bureau of ATF's rule, ban on bump stocks. He won before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth 01:21.233 --> 01:25.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Circuit. It was the Biden administration that brought the case, the appeal to the Supreme Court. 01:27.966 --> 01:30.200 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: And, Marcia, this was not about the Second Amendment here. This was about regulation 01:30.200 --> 01:32.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and how the court views this -- views it. 01:32.300 --> 01:34.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Alito, writing in his concurring opinion, 01:34.333 --> 01:38.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% said this: "There can be little doubt that the Congress that enacted this law would 01:38.433 --> 01:43.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not have seen any material difference between a machine gun and a semiautomatic rifle equipped 01:45.233 --> 01:48.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% with a bump stock. But the statutory text is clear and we must follow it." 01:48.266 --> 01:53.233 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% In her dissent, Justice Sotomayor said this: "The court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To 01:55.300 --> 01:59.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% do so, it casts aside Congress' definition of machine gun and seizes upon one that is 02:00.966 --> 02:04.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text. When I see a bird 02:04.266 --> 02:09.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck." 02:11.333 --> 02:15.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Marcia, what does this tell us about how the justices were thinking about this issue? 02:15.033 --> 02:19.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: Well, first of all, this was very much a case of statutory interpretation, 02:19.133 --> 02:21.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% looking at the language of the statute. 02:21.733 --> 02:26.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% And it tells us almost immediately in the vote that the justices looked at the 02:26.600 --> 02:31.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% language and saw it very differently on the left and the right. In fact, 02:31.400 --> 02:36.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Justice Kagan said at one point during arguments that, yes, textualism, 02:36.100 --> 02:40.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% sticking to the text is fine, but it's not inconsistent with common sense. 02:40.666 --> 02:45.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% So she believed the court should be looking little broadly in terms of what the statute 02:47.666 --> 02:51.200 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% was designed to do. But you can look at it two ways really, Amna. It is of a piece 02:53.366 --> 02:57.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% with the conservative rulings in the recent years in which gun restrictions were lifted. 02:58.933 --> 03:02.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it's also a piece with the conservative justices' concerns 03:02.733 --> 03:07.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% that federal agencies have gained too much power and are overreaching. 03:09.866 --> 03:12.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: It's been reported there are about 520,000 bump stocks in circulation when the 03:12.700 --> 03:17.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Department of Justice changed its classification, effectively pulling it from the market. 03:17.333 --> 03:21.033 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% And we asked Chip Brownlee, who's a reporter with an organization called The Trace that 03:21.033 --> 03:26.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% covers gun violence, about the potential impact of this decision. Here's what he had to say. 03:28.400 --> 03:30.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CHIP BROWNLEE, The Trace: We saw these devices be used in the deadliest mass shooting in American 03:30.600 --> 03:34.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% history. And so I think if you have somebody who is intent on committing a crime like that and 03:36.566 --> 03:40.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% gets their hands on one of these devices, they can essentially take their gun from a gun that 03:42.866 --> 03:46.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% shoots 60, 70, 80 rounds per minute to a gun that shoots 500, 600, 700 rounds per minute. 03:49.066 --> 03:51.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Marcia, did that potential impact 03:51.100 --> 03:54.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% come up in any of the justices' questions or their discussion? 03:54.433 --> 03:58.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: Well, certainly, during oral arguments, the justices were keenly aware, 03:58.566 --> 04:03.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I believe, of the impact of bump stocks and what they can do. 04:03.500 --> 04:07.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But, again, they were focused on the text, the language of 04:07.600 --> 04:12.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% the Bureau of ATF's rule and whether it encompassed bump stocks as machine guns. 04:14.700 --> 04:18.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: We also know there are a number of federal firearm possession-related cases pending 04:18.500 --> 04:22.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% either before the Supreme Court or making their way through appeals courts right now. 04:22.533 --> 04:27.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% One of the biggest is the United States v. Rahimi. What's at stake there? 04:29.633 --> 04:32.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: That's the federal ban on possession of guns by anyone who is under a domestic 04:34.900 --> 04:39.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% violence protective order. It's going to be a fascinating case. It is a Second Amendment case. 04:41.633 --> 04:45.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Lower federal courts said, using Justice Clarence Thomas' new test for Second Amendment, 04:47.433 --> 04:51.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% that there was no historical analog or anything in history that allowed such a 04:53.933 --> 04:58.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% ban to go forward. So that could be decided this next week, any time before the end of the term. 05:01.100 --> 05:04.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Marcia, we know there are a number of key issues on other cases 05:04.400 --> 05:08.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% still before the court. What other kind of issues and rulings could we see this term? 05:08.700 --> 05:11.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% MARCIA COYLE: Well, obviously, one of the most closely watched cases 05:11.900 --> 05:16.900 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% is Donald Trump's claim of absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. 05:19.166 --> 05:22.233 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Besides that, there are two major social media cases involving the First Amendment. There's also 05:24.333 --> 05:28.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% several big cases involving federal regulatory agencies and their power, their authority. 05:30.600 --> 05:33.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The court is a little bit behind right now. Usually, 05:33.733 --> 05:38.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% it tries to wrap up the term by the end of June, but there's still a lot left to decide. 05:40.666 --> 05:43.833 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: That is our Supreme Court analyst, Marcia Coyle, joining us tonight. 05:43.833 --> 05:46.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Marcia, always great to see you. Thank you. 05:46.100 --> 05:47.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% MARCIA COYLE: My pleasure.