WEBVTT 00:02.100 --> 00:04.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GEOFF BENNETT: And here on the other side of our studio, we will be watching the results all 00:04.466 --> 00:08.433 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% night with our panel, which includes Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report With Amy Walter, 00:08.433 --> 00:12.566 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% Republican strategist Kevin Madden and Democratic strategist Faiz Shakir. 00:12.566 --> 00:16.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: Also with us all night is David Brooks, columnist at The New York Times, 00:16.233 --> 00:21.000 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Jonathan Capehart, associate editor of The Washington Post, and, of course, our very own Judy 00:21.000 --> 00:26.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Woodruff, who is back from her travels across the country for her series America at a Crossroads. 00:26.733 --> 00:27.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Welcome to you all. 00:27.733 --> 00:29.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 00:29.266 --> 00:31.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Great to be here. 00:31.033 --> 00:32.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: All right, Amy, you're going to kick us off tonight. 00:32.133 --> 00:33.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We're going to be talking a lot... 00:33.900 --> 00:34.600 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMY WALTER: A lot. AMNA NAWAZ: ... about the specifics and the data. 00:34.600 --> 00:36.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% AMY WALTER: Yes. 00:36.466 --> 00:38.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: But just start us off big picture here. What are you going to be 00:38.466 --> 00:40.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% watching tonight and what kind of big questions are you looking to answer? 00:40.533 --> 00:43.933 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMY WALTER: Yes, I don't think I have ever experienced an election night like this, 00:43.933 --> 00:47.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% where we come in with the polls this close with so few people 00:47.766 --> 00:52.466 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% feeling like they have any sense of how this thing is going to break. 00:52.466 --> 00:57.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And I also come into this knowing that, when you look at the way Americans feel about our political 01:00.300 --> 01:05.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% system right now, the sense that they believe that this is an existential election for them, 01:07.600 --> 01:11.033 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% that my concern going forward is what happens to the numbers of people who will be very upset with 01:13.833 --> 01:18.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% what the result will be, because it's more than just an issue or a policy that they're voting on. 01:20.833 --> 01:25.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But, broadly, big picture-wise, what I'm looking at is to see if the coalitions that 01:27.333 --> 01:31.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% we have become comfortable with really for the past 15 years or so, with Democrats doing much 01:33.233 --> 01:36.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% better in high turnout elections because they run strong with younger voters, with voters of 01:36.633 --> 01:41.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% color who don't traditionally turn out in, say, a midterm year, or they're not -- they are not 01:44.833 --> 01:49.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% as typical voter -- they don't vote as regular, is the word I'm looking for, as white voters. 01:51.300 --> 01:54.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But now what we're looking at is a situation where it may be that 01:54.133 --> 01:59.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Democrats are going to be able to find success not because they did better with 02:01.266 --> 02:05.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% younger voters or with voters of color, but because of their success with white voters, 02:06.833 --> 02:10.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% especially white voters with a college degree, and especially with women. 02:10.100 --> 02:13.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think we're going to be looking very closely 02:13.033 --> 02:17.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% at those breakouts when we go to the key battleground states. 02:17.733 --> 02:19.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% GEOFF BENNETT: And on that point, Kevin, 02:19.933 --> 02:23.233 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% we do expect this race to be settled in the battlegrounds, chief among them Pennsylvania. 02:23.233 --> 02:26.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% What are you watching for tonight in Philadelphia and the surrounding... 02:26.500 --> 02:28.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% (CROSSTALK) KEVIN MADDEN, Republican Strategist: Yes. 02:28.600 --> 02:30.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I mean, also, we should think back to even when we were here in January during the 02:30.666 --> 02:33.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% primaries. We always said this is going to come down to about seven states. And, 02:33.133 --> 02:36.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% in those seven states, it was going to be these metropolitan areas and 02:36.666 --> 02:40.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% places like Philadelphia. So that's where I'm really watching for today. 02:40.533 --> 02:43.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In order for anybody, any one of these candidates to win, 02:43.333 --> 02:47.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% they're really going to have to do well in these collar counties of Philadelphia 02:47.733 --> 02:52.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% and the eastern side of Pennsylvania. And so, for Trump, the charge has always been, 02:54.733 --> 02:57.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% is he going to be able to go out and win more voters beyond the Republican base? 02:59.866 --> 03:03.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Is he going to be able to maybe flip some suburban Democratic -- some suburban Republican 03:05.100 --> 03:07.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% women who may have voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries? And would they come home 03:07.433 --> 03:11.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% for him in a general election? That's going to be the big test. So as we watch some of these 03:11.533 --> 03:16.533 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% numbers come out of Philadelphia, around the exurbs, up towards the Lehigh Valley, 03:18.833 --> 03:20.966 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% those are going to be some of the counties that I'm looking for to see where the splits are and 03:20.966 --> 03:25.766 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% where the margins are to see whether or not Trump was able to outperform where he was in 2020. 03:25.766 --> 03:28.500 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GEOFF BENNETT: And, Faiz, when the Harris campaign says that they feel like they 03:28.500 --> 03:32.700 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% have momentum on their side, what are they pointing to? Is it just vibes or is there 03:32.700 --> 03:37.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% something tangible that they can point to and say, yes, we feel good about where we are? 03:37.466 --> 03:40.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% FAIZ SHAKIR, Democratic Strategist: Geoff, in the early vote, they did a great job. 03:40.233 --> 03:45.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% On the tactical side of this Harris campaign, you have seen extreme proficiency from the moment she 03:45.200 --> 03:50.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% got into this race, money raised, volunteers recruited, convention executed flawlessly, 03:51.633 --> 03:53.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% debate executed flawlessly. She's in a great position. 03:53.600 --> 03:57.366 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% When you looked at the early vote numbers, the gender gap was there and you say, 03:57.366 --> 04:01.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% running into Election Day, you're ahead. And, obviously, they need to maintain it. So, 04:01.266 --> 04:05.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% hopefully, they're counting on a lot of young people coming out today, knock on wood, in places 04:05.000 --> 04:10.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% like Detroit and Philadelphia and Dane County and Madison. Hopefully, there's a huge youth turnout. 04:12.066 --> 04:15.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I also think, though, they have run this very cautious and determined campaign. From the 04:15.433 --> 04:18.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% beginning, they made certain assumptions, Geoff, about what the electorate was. And 04:18.833 --> 04:23.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% part of that judgment was people were ready to turn the page on Trump. They had seen enough. 04:23.000 --> 04:27.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And they saw the Republican primaries, where 15 percent to 20 percent consistently showed that 04:27.100 --> 04:31.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% they were not with Trump in the Republican ranks. And the Harris campaign focused on them like a 04:31.033 --> 04:36.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% laser. That's why you had the Liz Cheney events, the Adam Kinzinger stuff, the Mark Cuban approach. 04:37.700 --> 04:40.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% So I think you're going to do well with college-educated people, 04:40.266 --> 04:42.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and I hope we can continue to keep the margins with non-college people. 04:42.800 --> 04:45.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's one thing that I will be watching closely tonight. 04:45.000 --> 04:48.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: So, David Brooks, we're going to be spending a lot of time together tonight. 04:48.033 --> 04:48.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 04:48.966 --> 04:50.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: Happy to be here. 04:50.233 --> 04:52.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: I have snacks. Not to worry. 04:52.100 --> 04:55.433 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% But you always do such a great job of giving us this historical context here. 04:55.433 --> 04:58.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% We're going to find out obviously who wins and loses these races. But 04:58.700 --> 05:02.966 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% what else do you think we learn about the country or where we are tonight? 05:02.966 --> 05:04.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 05:04.833 --> 05:07.166 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% DAVID BROOKS: Yes, I want to know tonight, what political era are we in? 05:07.166 --> 05:10.266 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% So between Ronald Reagan and I guess you would say Barack Obama, there was differences obviously 05:10.266 --> 05:15.266 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% between the parties, but there was some consensus, consensus about NATO, consensus about free trade, 05:17.333 --> 05:19.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% consensus that the future of the American commerce is in information-age jobs, and we 05:19.600 --> 05:23.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% should be training people to get through college so they can take advantage of the jobs of future. 05:23.266 --> 05:27.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% That was sort of the Republican and Democratic consensus. Along comes Donald Trump that says, 05:27.400 --> 05:32.400 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% forget that. No free trade, no NATO, no transition to a postindustrial economy. 05:34.266 --> 05:38.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I'm going straight for the industry, or at least lip service, if not policy. 05:38.633 --> 05:43.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And so if Trump wins again, then the - - what we might call pejoratively the 05:43.200 --> 05:48.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% neoliberal era from Reagan through Obama, that's over. That's in the rearview mirror, 05:49.966 --> 05:53.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and we have entered a new populist age with Trump large and in charge. 05:53.200 --> 05:56.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Jonathan, Amy mentioned a few key groups that we're going to be 05:56.033 --> 06:00.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% keeping an eye on. Is there any one group, any one trend you're 06:00.133 --> 06:03.566 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% going to be watching more closely than others over the course of the evening? 06:03.566 --> 06:04.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% JONATHAN CAPEHART: Funny you should ask. 06:04.633 --> 06:06.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 06:06.500 --> 06:09.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% JONATHAN CAPEHART: Yes. Yes, I am looking specifically at white women. 06:11.733 --> 06:15.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% A lot of the narrative leading up to this election was Vice President Harris was losing 06:17.200 --> 06:21.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Black men. And the feeling was, well, if she loses the election, it will be because of Black 06:24.800 --> 06:29.800 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% men. And as a Black man, that's kind of hard to take, especially when African American men are 06:32.066 --> 06:36.133 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% such a tiny percentage of the voting population, whereas white women are the largest voting bloc. 06:38.200 --> 06:43.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Now, Black women are the largest and most consistent voting bloc for the Democratic Party, 06:43.066 --> 06:48.066 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% 95, 98 percent. But white women in the 2016 election were 41 percent of the 06:50.100 --> 06:53.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% electorate. The exit polls then said that 52, 53 percent voted for Trump. But a Pew 06:57.100 --> 07:02.100 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Research analysis in 2018 came back and really looked and said it was 47 percent. 07:03.766 --> 07:07.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% But he won the plurality of the white women vote. If Vice President Harris 07:08.900 --> 07:13.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% is to get over the line, she needs to have white women do what Black 07:13.133 --> 07:17.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% women have been doing since Trump was elected, and that is saving democracy. 07:17.600 --> 07:22.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% I did an event with Nikole Hannah-Jones and Heather Cox Richardson two weeks ago 07:24.666 --> 07:28.000 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and asked her this question. And, ultimately, she said to the white women in the audience, 07:29.800 --> 07:33.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% call your people, because we have done enough and now if we're going 07:33.433 --> 07:37.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% to save -- if we are all going to save the democracy, you have to do your part. 07:37.133 --> 07:42.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And she also has an essay in The New York Times, but that is what I'm watching for. 07:44.233 --> 07:47.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And that's why I'm watching for it, because, if anything, the Dobbs decision has been 07:49.300 --> 07:52.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a motivating factor for women across the board and the people and men who love them. 07:54.300 --> 07:59.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% But we have seen, at least I have seen white women galvanized in a way 08:01.233 --> 08:04.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% I have not seen. And I'm hoping that it will mean a good night for the democracy. 08:07.000 --> 08:11.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GEOFF BENNETT: And, Judy, you have unique insight into the issues that are really driving voters, 08:11.266 --> 08:14.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% animating the electorate as a consequence of your reporting, 08:14.000 --> 08:16.200 align:left position:30% line:77% size:60% your Crossroads reporting, where you have crisscrossed the nation. 08:16.200 --> 08:18.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What are your early impressions this evening? 08:18.566 --> 08:23.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, I have come away. First of all, I'm glad to be here, other side of the desk. 08:23.433 --> 08:25.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 08:25.333 --> 08:26.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: It was time for a change. You guys have all the pressure. 08:26.466 --> 08:28.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (LAUGHTER) 08:28.033 --> 08:30.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% JUDY WOODRUFF: So, traveling around the country, trying to 08:30.200 --> 08:34.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% understand why we're so divided, I have to say, I come away with three things I am specifically 08:37.100 --> 08:38.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% looking for tonight, based on the reporting that I have done. And I will just give you examples. 08:38.966 --> 08:42.633 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% North Carolina, we were in Alamance County. These are -- this is a rural 08:42.633 --> 08:47.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% area outside Raleigh-Durham. For Kamala Harris to win that state, 08:47.100 --> 08:51.600 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% take it back from the Republicans, she needs to do well in these exurbs. I think Kevin, 08:51.600 --> 08:56.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Amy were talking about this, the suburbs that are outside the Raleigh-Durham, Charlotte. 08:58.866 --> 09:02.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% So that's one place we're looking at. We're also looking at Michigan, the so-called education, 09:04.666 --> 09:09.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% diploma divide, which is an increasing issue in American politics. I was in just a couple 09:11.500 --> 09:14.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% of weeks ago in both Macomb and Oakland counties, the biggest counties in the 09:14.833 --> 09:19.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% state just north of Detroit, Oakland being a place, majority with a lot of people with 09:19.300 --> 09:24.300 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% college -- excuse me -- college graduates, Macomb being more blue-collar, fewer college graduates. 09:28.033 --> 09:33.033 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% Joe Biden did very well in Oakland and won. Trump won Macomb. The question is, 09:35.100 --> 09:39.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% how are Harris and Trump going to do with people who have a college degree and don't? 09:41.733 --> 09:45.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And just quickly, Arizona, we went to look at the divide, the partisan split among Hispanic voters. 09:47.900 --> 09:52.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Last time, Hispanic voters in Arizona made up 19 percent of the electorate. Biden was able to win 09:54.900 --> 09:59.900 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% 61 percent. So the question is, Republicans are now saying they can cut into that. Can they? Can 10:02.100 --> 10:06.100 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% they take away some of the Hispanic vote, which is -- traditionally was going more Democratic? 10:07.766 --> 10:09.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: I think the other question with a shorter answer is, 10:09.100 --> 10:12.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where haven't you been this election season? 10:12.300 --> 10:13.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% (LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK) 10:13.866 --> 10:16.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: But, Amy, as Judy mentioned there, North Carolina, 10:16.333 --> 10:19.266 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% we know that's one of the states where polls will close on the earlier side, along with Georgia. 10:19.266 --> 10:21.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% AMY WALTER: That's right. 10:21.300 --> 10:22.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: We keep saying it could be a long night. We may not have an answer. 10:22.600 --> 10:24.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: Right. 10:24.166 --> 10:26.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Is there anything you're tracking early in the 10:26.000 --> 10:28.100 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% night specifically that you think gives us a direction of where things 10:28.100 --> 10:31.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% are going or that says this could be an earlier night than we expect overall? 10:31.933 --> 10:33.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMY WALTER: I want to say yes, because I want 10:33.700 --> 10:38.400 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% to believe that we will have some direction early on in the evening. 10:40.733 --> 10:43.133 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% But what we have come to see in our politics -- and, look, we talked about this the other night 10:43.133 --> 10:47.500 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% about seeing this Iowa poll that looked so outside of what we have been seeing in other states. 10:47.500 --> 10:49.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (CROSSTALK) 10:49.733 --> 10:50.633 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMNA NAWAZ: Do expect that to come up again tonight, by the way. We will ask you about Iowa. 10:50.633 --> 10:52.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% AMY WALTER: OK. 10:52.800 --> 10:54.933 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% But you think about the billions of dollars that have been spent on this election. They have all 10:54.933 --> 10:59.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% been spent in seven states. And so there are a lot of people in these other states that 10:59.466 --> 11:04.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have not been getting the barrage of advertising and just the communication from the campaigns. 11:07.633 --> 11:12.133 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% How they behave may not tell us how the swing states are going to behave, 11:12.133 --> 11:16.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% and how the swing states behave may not tell us how those other states are going to behave. 11:16.200 --> 11:20.466 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% And that's true too when we're thinking about all these House races and these Senate races. 11:20.466 --> 11:24.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% I am looking -- I think I will give you one clue. The Ohio Senate race, 11:24.233 --> 11:29.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% I think, will give us an idea for just what we -- what kind of Senate we could 11:30.566 --> 11:32.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% expect, what the margin may look like in the Senate. 11:32.166 --> 11:34.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% AMNA NAWAZ: And tell us about that. Why? 11:34.333 --> 11:36.666 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% AMY WALTER: Because this is a state where right now it's very, very close. Even though 11:36.666 --> 11:41.666 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% it's a red state, the Democratic senator there has been tied with his opponent. 11:43.800 --> 11:47.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% To win, it would mean that he would need to win a lot of Trump voters. If that's the case, 11:47.300 --> 11:52.233 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% if we do see real ticket-splitting, then it means that the Senate and the House 11:52.233 --> 11:55.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% become much less predictable, because we're just so used to, 11:55.933 --> 11:58.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% if it's a red state, it goes red, if it's a blue state, it goes blue. 11:58.966 --> 12:03.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And if Sherrod Brown were to hold on in Ohio, it suggests too that Democrats are going to have a 12:03.233 --> 12:07.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% much better night in the Senate. Doesn't mean necessarily they're going to hold the Senate, 12:07.833 --> 12:12.833 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% but that would be a better night. If he loses, now we're into that was the more 12:14.800 --> 12:18.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% expected way that you would look at the Senate map, given how Republican Ohio is. 12:20.600 --> 12:22.700 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% GEOFF BENNETT: Yes. And in the 30 seconds or so that we have left, 12:22.700 --> 12:27.600 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% how has he been able to hold on to that seat as Ohio has become redder and redder? 12:28.366 --> 12:29.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% AMY WALTER: I knew it. 12:29.900 --> 12:32.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% One, it helps to be an incumbent who's been there for a long time 12:32.100 --> 12:35.433 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% with an identity that fits the state. But the other is that they have just, quite frankly, 12:37.766 --> 12:40.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% outspent and been able to define their Republican opponent in a way that is helpful to the senator, 12:44.400 --> 12:49.400 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% Senator Sherrod Brown. And really they have been on offense almost entirely in this campaign. 12:50.300 --> 12:52.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Yes, it's been quite something. 12:52.600 --> 12:54.700 align:left position:20% line:71% size:70% GEOFF BENNETT: The most expensive U.S. Senate race in history. I feel like we say that about 12:54.700 --> 12:59.133 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% a Senate race in every election cycle, but the Ohio one is the one this time around. 12:59.133 --> 13:01.066 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% AMY WALTER: Every two years. And it will be every two years, yes. Yes. 13:01.066 --> 13:02.333 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% GEOFF BENNETT: All right, our thanks to our panel. They're going to stay 13:02.333 --> 13:06.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% around with us. They will be here all night.