WEBVTT 00:01.433 --> 00:02.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Announcer] Support for "Overheard with Evan Smith" 00:02.366 --> 00:03.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% comes from: HillCo Partners, 00:03.600 --> 00:05.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a Texas government affairs consultancy, 00:05.700 --> 00:07.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Claire and Carl Stuart, 00:07.300 --> 00:08.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Christine and Philip Dial, 00:08.866 --> 00:10.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and the Eller Group, 00:10.166 --> 00:12.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% specializing in crisis management, litigation, 00:12.066 --> 00:13.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and public affairs communication. 00:13.800 --> 00:15.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Ellergroup.com. 00:15.366 --> 00:16.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I'm Evan Smith. 00:16.600 --> 00:18.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% She's a two-term congresswoman from Dallas 00:18.633 --> 00:22.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who's emerged as the raised voice and clenched fist 00:22.700 --> 00:26.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the opposition to Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and their ilk. 00:26.233 --> 00:28.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% She's Jasmine Crockett. 00:28.200 --> 00:30.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% This is "Overheard." 00:30.066 --> 00:33.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A platform and a voice is a powerful thing. 00:33.400 --> 00:35.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You really turned the conversation around 00:35.366 --> 00:37.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about what leadership should be about. 00:37.366 --> 00:38.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Are we blowing this? 00:38.733 --> 00:40.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Are we doing the thing we shouldn't be doing 00:40.600 --> 00:42.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% by giving in to the attention junkie? 00:42.633 --> 00:45.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% As an industry, we have an obligation to hold ourselves 00:45.033 --> 00:46.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to the same standards that we hold everybody else. 00:46.666 --> 00:48.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - [Automated Countdown] Two. 00:48.000 --> 00:51.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - This is "Overheard." (audience applauds) 00:55.200 --> 00:56.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Congresswoman, great to see you. 00:56.433 --> 00:57.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Thank you so much. 00:57.566 --> 00:58.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - It's great to be here with you. 00:58.400 --> 01:00.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - For being here. 01:00.133 --> 01:03.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% How's it going? (audience laughs) 01:03.000 --> 01:04.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That's kind of an existential question, 01:04.633 --> 01:06.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but like in a literal sense. 01:06.033 --> 01:08.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You're in the middle of everything. 01:08.233 --> 01:09.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We only get to watch from the outside. 01:09.833 --> 01:10.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You're on the inside. 01:10.666 --> 01:12.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% How's it going? 01:12.100 --> 01:14.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It's not going well. - Yeah? Say more about that. 01:14.100 --> 01:16.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and I think that, first of all, 01:16.166 --> 01:18.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% let me thank everyone that's here. 01:19.566 --> 01:22.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The reason that I do the work that I do is because of you, 01:22.566 --> 01:25.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I try to do everything that I can to make sure 01:25.433 --> 01:27.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that I'm continuously focused 01:27.133 --> 01:28.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% on the people that are back home, 01:28.933 --> 01:30.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% the people that are relying on me 01:30.433 --> 01:34.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to be an authentic and unwielding voice for them. 01:34.133 --> 01:38.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so I just wanna say thank you again to each of you. 01:38.133 --> 01:41.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I am going to say that it's really bad 01:41.100 --> 01:44.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because not only are we enduring something 01:44.300 --> 01:45.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we've never experienced before. 01:45.900 --> 01:48.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% As we came up on the State of the Union address, 01:48.100 --> 01:52.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we started to look through history and figure out, 01:52.133 --> 01:55.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what does one do when a dictator is coming through? 01:55.233 --> 01:57.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, like we were trying to figure out, 01:57.033 --> 01:58.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% like what are the options? 01:58.300 --> 02:01.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And it is true that we are in a time 02:01.566 --> 02:03.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that we've never seen before. 02:03.366 --> 02:06.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We have someone that does not believe 02:06.100 --> 02:07.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in co-equal branches of government, 02:07.733 --> 02:10.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and then we have people that are party 02:10.933 --> 02:13.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to those other co-equal branches 02:13.433 --> 02:15.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that have decided that they would cede 02:15.333 --> 02:19.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% their constitutional oaths and responsibilities 02:19.300 --> 02:22.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to kneel to, I don't even know if it's Trump, right? 02:22.266 --> 02:24.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like, it feels as if Elon 02:24.600 --> 02:26.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% is really like running everything 02:26.400 --> 02:28.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and Trump is just hanging out, 02:28.966 --> 02:30.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% signing whatever executive order 02:30.466 --> 02:32.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% somebody puts in front of him. 02:32.100 --> 02:33.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And when he is not doing that, 02:33.533 --> 02:35.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% he's just posted up at Mar-a-Lago, 02:36.900 --> 02:38.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you know, playing golf, right? 02:38.900 --> 02:41.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so Elon hasn't seen all the waste 02:41.766 --> 02:43.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% 'cause we've, you know, 02:43.266 --> 02:47.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% spent a whopping more than $10 million already 02:47.600 --> 02:50.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on Trump and golfing at Mar-a-Lago. 02:50.266 --> 02:51.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm sure there's a few things we could do 02:51.933 --> 02:55.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with that $10 million that would be more productive. 02:55.500 --> 02:58.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And what's most concerning to me, 02:58.266 --> 02:59.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and it's why I am so happy 02:59.833 --> 03:02.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that I'm specifically here with this platform, 03:02.233 --> 03:06.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is that there is not only an attack on us as Americans. 03:06.466 --> 03:09.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And when I say us, it's not Democrats. 03:09.100 --> 03:11.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I specifically say us as Americans 03:11.000 --> 03:13.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because there were those that really thought 03:13.800 --> 03:16.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that Donald Trump was gonna make their lives better, 03:16.200 --> 03:18.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they went out and voted for him 03:18.300 --> 03:20.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because of that, right? - Right. 03:20.033 --> 03:21.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But right now they're like, "Well, wait a minute. 03:21.733 --> 03:23.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "Veterans are being fired, 03:23.066 --> 03:25.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "and, you know, what's gonna happen to the VA?" 03:25.966 --> 03:27.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Because they're talking about 03:27.300 --> 03:30.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they wanna get rid of 80,000 jobs at the VA. 03:30.900 --> 03:32.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And if you know anything about the VA, 03:32.333 --> 03:35.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people been telling us more and more is needed. 03:35.000 --> 03:37.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Not less, right? - Not less, less, yeah. 03:37.233 --> 03:38.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Or the people that don't understand 03:38.733 --> 03:39.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that when you're looking at something 03:39.933 --> 03:42.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like the Consumer Protection Bureau, 03:42.866 --> 03:46.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that they actually have fees that they charge, 03:46.666 --> 03:48.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and a lot of those fees go 03:48.000 --> 03:50.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to take care of a lot of the salaries. 03:50.033 --> 03:52.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like there are no savings, really, 03:52.366 --> 03:55.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that we will see by firing people. 03:55.566 --> 03:58.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But I can tell you that by firing people 03:58.233 --> 04:00.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and with costs going up 04:00.533 --> 04:03.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that a recession is upon us. 04:03.633 --> 04:04.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that's not good for anyone. 04:04.766 --> 04:06.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Do you think that the economy is, 04:06.133 --> 04:07.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, there've been signs 04:07.766 --> 04:09.500 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% that people are becoming concerned 04:09.500 --> 04:10.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about the state of the economy. 04:10.900 --> 04:13.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'll come back to the people who voted for this 04:13.100 --> 04:14.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what they think about this in a second. 04:14.566 --> 04:16.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But you're worried about the economy. 04:16.000 --> 04:17.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Oh, I absolutely am. - Yeah. 04:17.233 --> 04:19.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - And it didn't have to be this way. 04:19.133 --> 04:22.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I understood that we went through hyperinflation 04:22.766 --> 04:24.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as it relates to COVID-19. 04:24.466 --> 04:26.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like literally it's like, wait a minute, 04:26.366 --> 04:29.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% one day we're paying this, and then it ballooned. 04:29.466 --> 04:32.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But then that inflation started to slow, right? 04:32.333 --> 04:34.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then, you know, we had an administration 04:34.300 --> 04:35.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that was looking into the greed. 04:35.866 --> 04:38.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% We even had an admission from Kroger 04:38.500 --> 04:40.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that they were price gouging, right? 04:40.133 --> 04:41.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They were taking advantage. 04:41.633 --> 04:44.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so, you know, instead of having an administration 04:44.266 --> 04:45.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that's looking into price gouging, 04:45.966 --> 04:48.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we have an administration that, you know, 04:48.300 --> 04:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when we were getting rid of junk fees 04:49.966 --> 04:51.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% or when we were getting rid of things 04:51.866 --> 04:54.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% such as the overdraft fees, right? 04:54.000 --> 04:57.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like, you know, you'd end up paying $35 per overdraft fee. 04:57.666 --> 05:00.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They were like, "That is extortion," right? 05:00.133 --> 05:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So they were capped at $5. 05:02.866 --> 05:04.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now, please explain to me why it makes sense 05:04.700 --> 05:06.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that Republicans are like, "No, no, no, no. 05:06.466 --> 05:10.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "We want the banks to go back to extorting people", right? 05:10.266 --> 05:11.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, let me come back to the point you made. 05:11.600 --> 05:12.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So we had an election. 05:12.900 --> 05:15.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We believe the election was conducted fairly 05:15.000 --> 05:18.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% unlike some have alleged previous elections. 05:18.433 --> 05:20.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Unless and until, I'm hearing the audience, 05:20.333 --> 05:22.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% unless and until I have evidence otherwise, yes. 05:22.433 --> 05:24.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yes, right, okay. (audience laughs) 05:24.733 --> 05:25.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Right. 05:25.633 --> 05:27.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I am still data-driven. 05:27.066 --> 05:28.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I'm a data-driven person. 05:28.233 --> 05:29.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - This will be a different conversation 05:29.333 --> 05:30.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if we're gonna go down that path. 05:30.900 --> 05:32.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Okay, so we assume that the election was conducted fairly, 05:32.700 --> 05:36.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the president won not just the Electoral College, 05:36.366 --> 05:38.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% but he won by a significant margin. 05:38.733 --> 05:39.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 05:39.966 --> 05:41.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - The popular vote, didn't get to 50%, 05:41.266 --> 05:43.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but he won the popular vote by $7 million. 05:43.566 --> 05:46.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The point is, people voted for him. 05:46.166 --> 05:47.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yes. 05:47.566 --> 05:49.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - The question is whether people voted for this. 05:49.200 --> 05:50.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - [Jasmine] Yes. 05:50.133 --> 05:51.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - So then what do we think about 05:51.066 --> 05:52.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% how the people who voted for him 05:52.300 --> 05:53.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% are viewing the moment we're in? 05:53.766 --> 05:55.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think that there's a lot of regret. 05:55.833 --> 05:57.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think that the sycophants, 05:57.666 --> 05:59.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there's nothing that you can say about them. 05:59.866 --> 06:03.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like there is a real cult that is taking place, 06:03.300 --> 06:04.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and they follow their leader, 06:04.800 --> 06:06.300 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and they believe whatever he says, 06:06.300 --> 06:08.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and they're just gonna get in line. 06:08.200 --> 06:09.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And then there are those 06:09.533 --> 06:11.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that are like, "Well, wait a minute. 06:11.266 --> 06:14.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Like why is it that I don't have healthcare, 06:15.166 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "but the billionaires are still having 06:16.700 --> 06:18.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "like multimillion-dollar weddings? 06:18.766 --> 06:20.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% "Like why is it 06:20.333 --> 06:22.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "that I'm not going to be able to go to college, 06:22.800 --> 06:24.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "or my kid isn't gonna be able to go to college, 06:24.900 --> 06:27.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "or I'm not gonna be able to eat 06:27.000 --> 06:28.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "because they're getting like... 06:28.566 --> 06:30.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Wait a minute, what is the point of this? 06:30.133 --> 06:31.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "Like what is happening?" 06:31.500 --> 06:32.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - But of course these are effects, congresswoman, 06:32.766 --> 06:35.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% these are things that may be felt, 06:35.066 --> 06:36.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% may happen as a consequence of it. 06:36.700 --> 06:38.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, he's only been in the White House 06:38.400 --> 06:39.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for a couple months. 06:39.900 --> 06:41.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Imagine that. - As we sit here. 06:41.200 --> 06:43.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% (audience laughs) As we sit here. 06:43.300 --> 06:45.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean, really, in the end, 06:45.333 --> 06:47.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the oldest saw in the world is true: 06:47.500 --> 06:48.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% elections have consequences. 06:48.866 --> 06:50.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - [Jasmine] Yes. - Good consequences and bad. 06:50.133 --> 06:52.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And the country voted for Donald Trump. 06:52.866 --> 06:56.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We'll see what the products of that decision are. 06:56.100 --> 06:57.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We are already seeing. - Yeah. 06:57.900 --> 06:59.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And they are not good. 06:59.400 --> 07:01.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There's no one that is yelling and screaming 07:01.800 --> 07:03.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that, "Oh, yes, we're so happy 07:03.866 --> 07:06.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "you fired all these people at the VA." 07:08.566 --> 07:09.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Stay with that 07:09.833 --> 07:12.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the role that Elon Musk is playing. 07:12.000 --> 07:15.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What do you think is the goal here? 07:15.233 --> 07:16.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, it may seem obvious to you, 07:16.766 --> 07:18.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it may seem obvious to some people watching this, 07:18.833 --> 07:22.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but, in the end, what are they working toward 07:22.666 --> 07:24.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with everything that we've seen so far? 07:24.433 --> 07:28.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Making us Russia Junior. 07:28.133 --> 07:30.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean, I don't really know what to say. 07:30.566 --> 07:32.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because, you know, one of the things 07:32.700 --> 07:36.600 align:left position:30% line:77% size:60% that we benefit from as Americans is really our ignorance. 07:36.600 --> 07:40.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I'm gonna say that with all love, right? 07:40.200 --> 07:42.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because we've had so much privilege, right? 07:42.166 --> 07:45.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like to the north and the south of us, we have friends, 07:45.366 --> 07:46.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% or at least they used to be friends. 07:46.766 --> 07:48.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I don't know how friendly 07:48.000 --> 07:49.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they wanna be with us nowadays, right? 07:49.533 --> 07:52.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But like we've shared like a very friendly relationship, 07:52.300 --> 07:54.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and in the east and the west we've had water. 07:54.266 --> 07:56.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And so we've not had to worry about 07:56.700 --> 07:58.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% having kind of hostile neighbors 07:58.933 --> 08:01.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that are right there at the border and that kind of stuff. 08:01.066 --> 08:03.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That is a privilege of living in this country. 08:03.566 --> 08:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That cannot necessarily be said 08:06.000 --> 08:08.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when you are living in certain parts of the Middle East 08:08.633 --> 08:10.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or when you're living in Europe. 08:10.400 --> 08:12.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like you may have friends over here 08:12.200 --> 08:13.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and then enemies right here. 08:13.766 --> 08:15.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's a lot different, okay? 08:15.466 --> 08:18.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so we've enjoyed that privilege. 08:18.166 --> 08:19.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And right now to have someone 08:19.833 --> 08:22.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that is literally picking fights 08:22.000 --> 08:24.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with our friends for no reason? 08:24.633 --> 08:26.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Like why are we in a trade war? 08:26.933 --> 08:28.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Like what exactly happened? 08:28.800 --> 08:31.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Like who is this helping? 08:31.000 --> 08:32.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Like it's just crazy. 08:32.133 --> 08:33.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Like why, why, why? 08:33.800 --> 08:36.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I can tell you though, that housing costs, 08:36.166 --> 08:40.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if we continue to play this game with Canada, 08:40.000 --> 08:41.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% our housing costs are gonna go up. 08:41.733 --> 08:44.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like that is something that people absolutely said, 08:44.166 --> 08:46.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% housing costs were already too high. 08:46.166 --> 08:47.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But this is where we get 08:47.466 --> 08:49.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a lot of our steel and lumber from. 08:49.200 --> 08:50.133 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Right. 08:50.133 --> 08:51.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And the tariffs, let's just say, 08:51.533 --> 08:52.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% something that seems obvious, 08:52.600 --> 08:54.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% that the tariffs 08:54.000 --> 08:55.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% are not only gonna affect Democratic households. 08:55.800 --> 08:57.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Jasmine] Correct. - Or the households of people 08:57.766 --> 08:59.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who did not support this president. 08:59.300 --> 09:01.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Correct. - That will be indiscriminate. 09:01.133 --> 09:03.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It'll affect everybody. - Absolutely. 09:03.000 --> 09:04.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And that was one of the things that, 09:04.800 --> 09:06.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, I think really got lost. 09:06.500 --> 09:09.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I will say that we've allowed ourselves to be distracted. 09:09.966 --> 09:12.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% During that election, we got distracted. 09:12.300 --> 09:16.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% When I was traveling the country on behalf of VP Harris, 09:16.466 --> 09:18.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would hear people saying things like, 09:18.133 --> 09:20.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Well, the Democrats have emasculated us." 09:20.133 --> 09:22.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I was like, "Well, what exactly does that mean? 09:22.466 --> 09:24.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "Is it 'cause it's a woman?" 09:24.066 --> 09:26.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Or, you know, I would hear some of them felt that way 09:26.966 --> 09:28.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because there were all the conversations 09:28.833 --> 09:30.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% around reproductive rights. 09:30.633 --> 09:32.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I'm like, "Here's the deal. 09:32.766 --> 09:35.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "If she got in office and she decided 09:35.833 --> 09:39.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "that women should have bodily autonomy, great. 09:39.866 --> 09:42.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "I don't know how that makes you any less of a man." 09:42.066 --> 09:44.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like, I mean, I'm just like, "What is happening," right? 09:44.700 --> 09:47.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But they were seeping them kind of with this information. 09:47.566 --> 09:50.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "It's a woman and she's looking out for women's rights." 09:50.100 --> 09:51.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Okay, but it doesn't mean 09:51.433 --> 09:52.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that she's not looking out for anybody else. 09:52.700 --> 09:55.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like, you know, and what we've got right now 09:55.366 --> 09:57.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is a guy that lied. 09:57.100 --> 09:59.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I'm like, the fact that we believed him, 09:59.533 --> 10:02.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm kind of confused 'cause he's like a known liar. 10:02.600 --> 10:05.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so why we believed him, I don't know. 10:05.533 --> 10:08.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But he said, "I know nothing about Project 2025." 10:08.666 --> 10:11.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so every time I would get, you know... 10:11.166 --> 10:13.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% I remember doing a hearing one time 10:13.600 --> 10:16.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I was trying to educate people through hearings 10:16.266 --> 10:18.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about Project 2025. 10:18.000 --> 10:20.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I had a witness that I knew from Democracy Forward 10:20.800 --> 10:23.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that I knew knew the answer, right? 10:23.133 --> 10:26.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Actually because we had been in Austin here on a panel. 10:26.233 --> 10:27.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So I knew that she knew. 10:27.866 --> 10:29.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So I said, you know, 10:29.666 --> 10:31.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'cause as a lawyer you're not supposed to ask a question... 10:31.700 --> 10:33.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Unless you know the answer. - Unless you know the answer. 10:33.366 --> 10:34.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - That's it, right, exactly, yeah. 10:34.633 --> 10:36.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I knew she knew. - I know that part. 10:36.300 --> 10:37.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% All right, yeah. 10:37.600 --> 10:40.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So I'm like, "So is Donald Trump name, 10:40.433 --> 10:43.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "is his name mentioned at all in Project 2025?" 10:43.333 --> 10:44.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then she wanted to go into this. 10:44.766 --> 10:45.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I was like, "Girl, we ain't got time for that." 10:45.900 --> 10:47.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% 'Cause you only get five minutes. 10:47.233 --> 10:49.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So it was like, I was like, "Just yes or no?" 10:49.500 --> 10:50.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And so she's like, "Yes." 10:50.933 --> 10:53.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I was like, "Is it mentioned more than once?" 10:53.100 --> 10:54.100 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% "Yes." 10:54.100 --> 10:55.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "Is it mentioned more than..." 10:55.533 --> 10:58.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then I finally said, "It's mentioned 312 times." 10:58.400 --> 10:59.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So it's very interesting 10:59.766 --> 11:01.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that he's saying that he has no idea about it, 11:01.766 --> 11:04.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he's like all through it, right? 11:04.233 --> 11:06.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so now what we see 11:06.200 --> 11:08.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is that he did not want to embrace Project 2025 11:08.866 --> 11:10.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because it was clear 11:10.500 --> 11:13.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that the American people were rejecting Project 2025. 11:13.533 --> 11:15.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That was getting rid of Department of Education, 11:15.300 --> 11:18.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that was consolidating power with the executive branch, 11:18.500 --> 11:22.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that was getting rid of things such as... 11:22.333 --> 11:24.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, we see what's happening to our farmers, right? 11:24.766 --> 11:26.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It was getting rid of NOAA 11:26.233 --> 11:28.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% so that we would not know, 11:28.100 --> 11:29.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Oh, there's weather issues", right? 11:29.966 --> 11:33.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It was really putting forth 11:33.800 --> 11:36.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a fight against the free press, right? 11:36.100 --> 11:37.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And we're seeing that in real time. 11:37.800 --> 11:40.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like who kicks the Associated Press out of anything? 11:40.766 --> 11:42.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like what are we doing, right? 11:42.166 --> 11:46.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% All because they refuse to call the Gulf of Mexico 11:46.466 --> 11:47.833 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Gulf of America. - Gulf of America. 11:47.833 --> 11:49.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% So you're saying that basically he's, 11:49.766 --> 11:51.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I think this is something 11:51.033 --> 11:52.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that you and others have said, 11:52.533 --> 11:55.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that he campaigned one way, told us one thing, 11:55.533 --> 11:57.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and then has come into office and is doing something else. 11:57.366 --> 11:58.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Correct. 11:58.800 --> 12:00.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - So let me ask you about your fellow Democrats 12:00.933 --> 12:03.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% and the place of Democrats in Congress 12:03.900 --> 12:05.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and around the country 12:05.000 --> 12:06.833 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% in pushing back and opposing this 12:06.833 --> 12:08.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in ways that are meaningful. 12:08.633 --> 12:12.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is the party, are the opponents up to the task? 12:12.366 --> 12:14.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because at least for the first two months, 12:14.133 --> 12:16.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it's felt like he and the administration 12:16.300 --> 12:18.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% have pretty much done whatever they want. 12:18.333 --> 12:21.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it's largely been without anything in their way. 12:21.900 --> 12:24.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So tell me about how you feel 12:24.000 --> 12:25.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about the opposition at this point. 12:25.700 --> 12:26.833 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% - Yeah. 12:27.900 --> 12:29.300 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Okay, all right. 12:29.300 --> 12:32.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So I will say we are a big tent party. 12:33.466 --> 12:35.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Start there, level set. - Okay, yeah. 12:35.700 --> 12:37.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And I'm going to say 12:37.000 --> 12:39.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that I think resistance means different things 12:39.600 --> 12:42.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to different members of the caucus. 12:42.300 --> 12:45.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% For me, it's to get a little rowdy. 12:45.800 --> 12:46.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Just saying. 12:46.766 --> 12:49.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - You know how to make a fist. 12:49.333 --> 12:52.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - I do, I do. (audience applauds) 12:52.233 --> 12:56.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I will also say that I enjoy privileges 12:56.133 --> 12:58.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that other members of my caucus don't. 12:58.133 --> 12:59.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - [Evan] Why? 12:59.533 --> 13:01.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I have the most Democratic seat in the state. 13:01.700 --> 13:03.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - You're not at risk electorally. 13:03.133 --> 13:05.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I'm not at risk at all. - Yeah. 13:05.066 --> 13:10.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I also will say that I also don't wanna be in a place 13:10.033 --> 13:12.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in which I don't feel like I can represent 13:12.266 --> 13:14.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the way that I wanna represent. 13:14.100 --> 13:15.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I believe in democracy. 13:15.366 --> 13:18.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I believe that my district should fire me 13:18.333 --> 13:20.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if they take issue with how I fight. 13:20.666 --> 13:22.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I believe that that is their right. 13:22.066 --> 13:24.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I believe that that's what they should do. 13:24.300 --> 13:28.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I don't go into everything scared about my next election 13:28.033 --> 13:30.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I feel like it paralyzes you. 13:30.233 --> 13:31.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 13:31.533 --> 13:33.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - And I think... - And is that what's going on? 13:33.466 --> 13:35.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Yes, in my opinion. 13:35.033 --> 13:36.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So where you have Democrats not fighting, 13:36.866 --> 13:38.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you think it's because they're concerned about... 13:38.900 --> 13:40.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - They're concerned about their next election. 13:40.066 --> 13:41.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - What happens in two years. 13:41.433 --> 13:42.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, they're concerned about the next election. 13:42.600 --> 13:43.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And I think... 13:43.933 --> 13:45.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I personally see it a little differently. 13:45.800 --> 13:49.033 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% I think that we have to be willing 13:49.033 --> 13:51.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to put it all on the line in this moment 13:51.833 --> 13:54.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I don't know what's on the other side 13:54.633 --> 13:56.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% if there is another side, right? 13:56.133 --> 13:59.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like I think my level of fear about this moment 13:59.300 --> 14:00.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% may be more heightened than others. 14:00.866 --> 14:03.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think that some people are still kind of functioning 14:03.633 --> 14:08.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like there's no way that he can destroy everything. 14:08.000 --> 14:09.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I'm like, "Have y'all seen 14:09.400 --> 14:11.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "what he's done in the last few days?" 14:11.333 --> 14:13.033 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Yeah, yeah. - You know, so I think 14:13.033 --> 14:15.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that there's also kind of those people 14:15.300 --> 14:16.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that are institutionalists 14:16.700 --> 14:18.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that believe that the institution will survive. 14:18.233 --> 14:20.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I'm like, "It's real weak. 14:20.200 --> 14:21.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% "It's on life support right now." 14:21.700 --> 14:23.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So does the party then need to be more like you 14:23.966 --> 14:25.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or more like the people who are operating 14:25.533 --> 14:27.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% out of either fear or concern for their own situation? 14:27.766 --> 14:29.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, I wanna stay with this. 14:29.033 --> 14:30.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because what I hear over and over from people 14:30.966 --> 14:33.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who are frustrated with, to say the least, 14:33.066 --> 14:35.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% frustrated with what they've seen over the last two months 14:35.000 --> 14:36.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is, "Where are the people 14:36.300 --> 14:37.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "who are supposed to be pushing back on this? 14:37.533 --> 14:38.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Why are they not pushing back hard?" 14:38.833 --> 14:41.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think that our approach should be 14:41.766 --> 14:43.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that we have a quarterback. 14:44.133 --> 14:45.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Who's your quarterback? 14:45.300 --> 14:46.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - It's Hakeem. - Hakeem Jeffries? 14:46.533 --> 14:47.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yes. 14:47.800 --> 14:49.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I think that we should approach it... 14:49.033 --> 14:49.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - How's he doing? 14:50.933 --> 14:52.300 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - That's for the people to decide. 14:52.300 --> 14:55.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - No, I'm asking you though. (audience laughs) 14:55.533 --> 14:57.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I mean, the people look at it one way, 14:57.233 --> 14:58.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% the caucus looks at it another way. 14:58.866 --> 15:03.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% His job is to keep every faction of the caucus together. 15:03.033 --> 15:04.433 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% And... 15:04.433 --> 15:06.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But isn't his job to lead the effort to oppose, 15:06.833 --> 15:08.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in a respectful but firm way, 15:08.300 --> 15:10.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what he does not think is right for the country? 15:10.933 --> 15:15.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think that he's leading in that way, according to him. 15:17.100 --> 15:19.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Right, you're hedging. (audience laughs) 15:19.133 --> 15:21.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I have never known you to hedge in your life. 15:21.500 --> 15:23.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I know! But like, listen. - Why are you hedging? 15:23.933 --> 15:25.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - You know, it's complicated! 15:25.833 --> 15:29.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But, listen, just let me... (audience laughs) 15:29.200 --> 15:30.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, read between the lines. 15:30.300 --> 15:31.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't really know what to say. 15:31.566 --> 15:34.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But I will say this... (audience laughs) 15:34.266 --> 15:36.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - You may think you didn't say, but you said. 15:36.400 --> 15:38.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Eh, I'm doing my best. 15:38.500 --> 15:43.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think, because we're in Texas and we love football, 15:43.200 --> 15:45.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think if we look at this like a football team. 15:45.666 --> 15:49.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Because everything is about being a team in the legislature. 15:49.133 --> 15:50.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like we're not the executive branch. 15:50.333 --> 15:51.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like you've gotta have teammates. 15:51.833 --> 15:53.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I'm trying to make sure I still got teammates, okay? 15:53.000 --> 15:55.433 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% - Right. - So you gotta have teammates. 15:55.433 --> 15:57.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think that we need to understand 15:57.300 --> 15:58.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that, if you're the quarterback, 15:58.433 --> 16:00.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% you're also not the wide receiver, 16:02.133 --> 16:03.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% the running man. - Running back, yes, yes. 16:03.466 --> 16:06.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, the running back. (audience laughs) 16:06.466 --> 16:09.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - That was very Texas of you. (audience laughs) 16:09.000 --> 16:10.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% The running man. 16:10.300 --> 16:12.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, you know, you're not playing the line. 16:12.466 --> 16:15.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think that what we need to embrace 16:15.133 --> 16:16.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is that everybody has their role. 16:16.900 --> 16:18.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think what's happening right now 16:18.500 --> 16:22.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is everybody wants everybody to hit the same note. 16:22.233 --> 16:23.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it's just not gonna happen. 16:23.633 --> 16:25.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It's not realistic. - It's not realistic. 16:25.266 --> 16:27.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Because of the type of districts that people come from 16:27.633 --> 16:30.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% or because of literally who they are. 16:30.266 --> 16:31.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Not everybody can do a podcast, 16:31.933 --> 16:33.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% so let's stop with it, right? 16:33.400 --> 16:35.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like some things are real awkward, right? 16:35.633 --> 16:37.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Like some people just should not do it. 16:38.800 --> 16:40.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And, I mean, this is real. 16:40.466 --> 16:44.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then when you think about like, 16:44.466 --> 16:45.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% like right now we're like, 16:45.700 --> 16:47.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Oh, Dems gotta do more communicating, 16:47.400 --> 16:48.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "and what does that look like?" 16:48.700 --> 16:50.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Like it's kind of like... 16:51.300 --> 16:52.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Love you Chuck Schumer, I do. 16:54.533 --> 16:56.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% That means that something's coming. 16:57.166 --> 16:58.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yes. 16:58.400 --> 17:01.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So when we went out and we protested 17:01.233 --> 17:04.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with so many of our amazing grassroots organizations 17:04.833 --> 17:07.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in front of Treasury, it was great. 17:07.333 --> 17:09.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This was like the largest one that we had 17:09.066 --> 17:11.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as it relates to House members and Senate members 17:11.766 --> 17:13.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that were participating. 17:13.033 --> 17:14.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And all I kept hearing about was, 17:14.366 --> 17:16.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Y'all should have left Chuck at home." 17:17.733 --> 17:21.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Not everybody can go out and get there in the streets. 17:21.200 --> 17:24.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like so I think we need to understand that, embrace that, 17:24.300 --> 17:28.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and encourage every portion of our team 17:28.800 --> 17:30.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to just be great in their lane. 17:30.866 --> 17:32.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think the idea... - And be authentic. 17:32.966 --> 17:34.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - And be authentic, exactly. 17:34.633 --> 17:36.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% So I think where we're going wrong 17:36.600 --> 17:40.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is that we want everybody to do the same thing. 17:40.466 --> 17:41.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - [Evan] Right. 17:41.600 --> 17:42.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - And no one can get on the same page 17:42.866 --> 17:44.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% about what that thing is. 17:44.100 --> 17:45.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Evan] About what the same thing is. 17:45.066 --> 17:46.400 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Exactly. - Right, right. 17:46.400 --> 17:47.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Do you reject the idea that there are things 17:47.966 --> 17:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to learn from the success of the other side 17:49.966 --> 17:52.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as the party looks to strategize 17:52.866 --> 17:54.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for the next couple of months? 17:54.266 --> 17:55.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I don't reject it at all. - [Evan] You don't? 17:55.833 --> 17:58.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And I think that if there are those people 17:58.200 --> 18:01.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that can punch and are willing to punch, 18:01.400 --> 18:03.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% then we should be allowed to punch. 18:03.033 --> 18:04.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 18:04.333 --> 18:05.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I mean, there was a headline that came out, 18:05.900 --> 18:07.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% so I'm not disclosing anything, 18:07.500 --> 18:10.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% even though I was actually being very cautious 18:10.066 --> 18:12.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about disclosing things. - Yeah. 18:12.366 --> 18:15.000 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - About the fact that a number of us 18:15.000 --> 18:19.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% were pulled into an office. 18:19.500 --> 18:20.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Right. 18:20.566 --> 18:22.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Not saying whose office it was. 18:22.400 --> 18:25.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - No, but if you Google, you'll find the article. 18:25.066 --> 18:28.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, and saying like that we were, and I'm like... 18:29.633 --> 18:31.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I need the freedom to... - What was the message? 18:31.700 --> 18:33.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You were too much off the leash? 18:33.000 --> 18:34.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Is that what the message was? 18:34.500 --> 18:35.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - Pretty much. - Yeah. 18:35.866 --> 18:37.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - With the State of the Union. - Right. 18:37.833 --> 18:39.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - But nobody remembers anything 18:39.400 --> 18:41.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% from the State of the Union but Al Green. 18:41.300 --> 18:43.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% So I'm like... - Right. 18:43.266 --> 18:47.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What did you, by the way... (audience applauds) 18:47.766 --> 18:49.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We are sitting here 18:49.066 --> 18:50.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a couple days after the State of the Union 18:50.433 --> 18:52.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where Al Green did protest and was escorted out 18:52.500 --> 18:55.200 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% and now has been censured by the House. 18:55.200 --> 18:58.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% What'd you think about Congressman Green's approach? 18:58.533 --> 19:00.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - I loved it. - You did? 19:00.566 --> 19:05.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I did, I did, I loved it. (audience applauds) 19:06.500 --> 19:09.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And if I felt like I could, I would've. 19:09.566 --> 19:10.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% I'll say that. - If you felt like 19:10.933 --> 19:12.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you could have done the same thing, you would've? 19:12.000 --> 19:13.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 19:13.866 --> 19:15.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I mean, I think it's so interesting 19:15.300 --> 19:17.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that people are standing on ceremony about that. 19:17.233 --> 19:19.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Oh, we're gonna do decorum now? 19:19.100 --> 19:20.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Is that happening, right, yeah? 19:21.733 --> 19:22.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% People don't remember the last couple 19:22.666 --> 19:23.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of States of the Union, 19:23.933 --> 19:25.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% including one during President Obama's term, 19:25.600 --> 19:27.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when somebody yelled, "You lie," at him. 19:27.300 --> 19:28.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19:28.700 --> 19:31.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I will say that, for me, 19:31.300 --> 19:34.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I understand that we are literally at war, 19:34.300 --> 19:37.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and so I have to evaluate each battle as it comes. 19:37.133 --> 19:38.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - [Evan] Right. 19:38.033 --> 19:41.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - And Al Green, love him, 19:41.100 --> 19:43.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% have loved him for a very long time, 19:44.833 --> 19:47.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and Al Green is in a different position than I am. 19:47.766 --> 19:51.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Al Green is an 80-year-old Black man, 19:51.533 --> 19:55.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I'm sure that what this administration is doing 19:55.400 --> 19:57.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is hitting him differently than it hits me. 19:57.300 --> 19:58.233 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Right. 19:58.233 --> 19:59.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - This is a man who grew up, 19:59.033 --> 20:00.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% we're about to celebrate 20:00.266 --> 20:02.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the 60th anniversary of Bloody Sunday, 20:02.166 --> 20:03.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% this is somebody 20:03.700 --> 20:08.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who actually saw like people be bloodied and bludgeoned. 20:08.200 --> 20:12.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I do believe that he understands the history 20:12.533 --> 20:15.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and connects to the history completely differently 20:15.200 --> 20:17.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as it relates to how he was able 20:17.066 --> 20:19.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to be able to even sit in the chamber. 20:19.833 --> 20:21.400 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% - Yeah. - And forget all this decorum. 20:21.400 --> 20:24.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 'Cause I don't understand how we say he's a dictator 20:24.500 --> 20:26.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and he's this and he's that 20:26.066 --> 20:28.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and he's a fascist and the oligarchy, 20:28.666 --> 20:29.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and then we say, "But we're gonna go in 20:29.933 --> 20:30.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "and we're gonna sit. 20:32.066 --> 20:33.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "We're gonna be in decorum." 20:34.800 --> 20:36.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - You said something earlier 20:36.100 --> 20:37.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% about institutions and institutionalists. 20:37.833 --> 20:39.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean, there is this real tension at the moment 20:39.533 --> 20:41.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about norms and institutions 20:41.300 --> 20:44.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and if there's an asymmetrical view of this. 20:44.233 --> 20:47.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Like one side is protecting norms and institutions. 20:47.333 --> 20:48.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Are both sides? - No. 20:48.966 --> 20:51.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I was busting your chops, Democrats, 20:51.633 --> 20:53.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about how you responded. 20:53.233 --> 20:56.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Let me bust my chops and the chops of people in the media. 20:56.100 --> 20:58.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I asked you if Democrats were up to the task. 20:58.100 --> 21:00.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Is the media up to the task in this moment? 21:00.766 --> 21:01.833 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% - No. - No. 21:01.833 --> 21:03.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Say more about that, pile on. 21:03.866 --> 21:06.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I think that that goes to the freedom of the press thing. 21:06.300 --> 21:08.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think that people are consistently being 21:08.833 --> 21:13.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% intimidated and paralyzed. 21:13.100 --> 21:15.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And so, you know, there is a question 21:15.333 --> 21:18.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% about whether or not if you have anything ugly 21:18.666 --> 21:22.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or truthful to say about Donald Trump, 21:22.266 --> 21:23.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what will happen? - [Evan] Yeah. 21:23.633 --> 21:25.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% - What will that retribution look like? 21:25.700 --> 21:30.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think that what we saw on State of the Union, 21:30.333 --> 21:32.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% kind of bringing in the Al situation, 21:32.433 --> 21:35.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is, if everyone stands together, 21:35.366 --> 21:38.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% then it's hard to go after everybody. 21:38.000 --> 21:41.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But if everybody falls, then it's easy enough, right? 21:41.933 --> 21:43.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so I think that that's the problem. 21:43.433 --> 21:45.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think that even though you compete 21:45.733 --> 21:47.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in whatever ways you compete, 21:47.533 --> 21:49.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think that the media needs to stand together. 21:49.466 --> 21:51.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think that as he decided he wanted 21:51.933 --> 21:54.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% to kick out the Associated Press, 21:54.366 --> 21:57.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% everybody else should have left and said, "You know what? 21:57.066 --> 22:00.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "Nobody's gonna cover you." (audience applauds) 22:00.733 --> 22:02.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Congresswoman, we have just a couple minutes. 22:02.800 --> 22:04.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There are presumably some people watching 22:04.633 --> 22:05.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who don't agree with you. 22:05.766 --> 22:07.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But there are people watching who do 22:07.733 --> 22:09.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and who may think, 22:09.500 --> 22:13.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "I want to do something in my community for myself 22:13.066 --> 22:15.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "to try to demonstrate that we can have impact." 22:15.933 --> 22:17.466 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 22:17.466 --> 22:18.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - So what would you recommend to people who are watching 22:18.700 --> 22:20.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who want to figure out how they can be 22:20.466 --> 22:23.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% important and impactful in their communities in this moment? 22:23.666 --> 22:24.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% What would you recommend people do? 22:24.500 --> 22:25.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - So I'm gonna say, 22:25.900 --> 22:28.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% whether you associate yourself 22:28.000 --> 22:30.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as a Democrat, Republican, or independent, 22:30.633 --> 22:33.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% the things that I'm fighting for, 22:33.100 --> 22:35.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they have nothing to do with partisanship. 22:35.233 --> 22:38.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They have everything to do with me caring about people. 22:38.866 --> 22:42.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% When we pass legislation that funds and helps 22:42.900 --> 22:45.033 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% those that are struggling the most, 22:45.033 --> 22:47.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that makes for a stronger America. 22:47.233 --> 22:49.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I'm not looking and saying, 22:49.000 --> 22:51.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "Check their voter registration first." 22:51.366 --> 22:53.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What I am looking at what is right versus wrong. 22:53.833 --> 22:55.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I am the child of a preacher. 22:55.133 --> 22:58.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I actually don't just say I'm a Christian, 22:58.766 --> 23:01.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I do it in the way that I pass policy 23:01.500 --> 23:02.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or try to pass policy. 23:02.700 --> 23:04.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And so what I will say is that, 23:04.800 --> 23:07.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so long as we are a democratic republic, 23:07.600 --> 23:09.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% recognize your power. 23:09.200 --> 23:11.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% The power in a democratic republic, 23:11.466 --> 23:13.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it resides with the people. 23:13.333 --> 23:16.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And once the people start to feel as if they are powerless, 23:16.833 --> 23:19.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% then people like Trump win. 23:19.733 --> 23:22.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What we've seen is we've seen the town halls 23:22.566 --> 23:23.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% all over the country, 23:23.833 --> 23:26.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and we've seen the power of the people. 23:26.200 --> 23:27.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% People have shown up, 23:27.233 --> 23:28.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and they are trying to hold 23:28.400 --> 23:29.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% their representatives accountable. 23:29.733 --> 23:31.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And I think that you need to do that 23:31.233 --> 23:32.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% whether your representative 23:32.300 --> 23:33.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is a Democrat or a Republican. 23:33.566 --> 23:35.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Are you doing town halls in your district? 23:35.333 --> 23:36.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, I'm kind of busy. 23:36.666 --> 23:37.966 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% But! - Right. 23:37.966 --> 23:39.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But, see, congresswoman, you understand 23:39.600 --> 23:40.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that what's good for the goose 23:40.766 --> 23:41.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is good for the gander, right? 23:41.800 --> 23:42.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - No, no, no. 23:42.900 --> 23:45.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And don't get it twisted now, okay? 23:45.433 --> 23:48.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I do wanna say that I've always done town halls. 23:48.700 --> 23:50.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Right. 23:50.000 --> 23:51.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Because we actually do quarterly town halls. 23:51.566 --> 23:53.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They are tele-town halls. 23:53.100 --> 23:55.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that is more so because, when I first came in, 23:55.733 --> 23:58.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it was still kind of COVID-ish and that kind of stuff. 23:58.533 --> 24:00.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But, also, we usually have 24:00.366 --> 24:02.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% no less than 7,000 people on there. 24:02.166 --> 24:05.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I can't fit 7,000 people. - In one room. 24:05.000 --> 24:06.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Exactly. 24:06.400 --> 24:07.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So you think everybody should be subjecting themselves 24:07.666 --> 24:08.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to this kind of accountability 24:08.766 --> 24:10.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% from the public they represent? 24:10.266 --> 24:11.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Absolutely. 24:11.800 --> 24:14.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I am going to be having my tele-town hall next week. 24:15.300 --> 24:16.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You know, I absolutely believe that. 24:16.600 --> 24:17.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But I'm also like traveling the country 24:17.966 --> 24:19.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and doing a lot of things. 24:19.366 --> 24:22.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So, you know, thankfully my district gives me grace. 24:22.166 --> 24:25.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But one of the things that I'm actually working on 24:25.200 --> 24:27.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is actually going into Republican districts 24:27.666 --> 24:29.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% where they don't wanna show up. 24:29.700 --> 24:31.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% (audience applauds) 24:31.100 --> 24:33.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - They won't show up, but you will. 24:33.400 --> 24:34.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Yeah, missed it. 24:34.466 --> 24:36.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Making them miss it. 24:36.000 --> 24:40.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Right now, Eric Swalwell is in, Boise? 24:40.033 --> 24:43.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think he's in Boise, Idaho right now. 24:43.466 --> 24:44.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And he's doing a town hall. 24:44.866 --> 24:46.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Because the thing is, 24:46.700 --> 24:49.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we've pushed for legislation 24:49.033 --> 24:52.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that really is impactful and helpful to everyone. 24:52.533 --> 24:53.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 24:53.800 --> 24:55.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And I think that it's easier for people 24:55.200 --> 24:58.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to understand that I'm a real person 24:58.066 --> 25:00.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who really is not trying to inflict harm, 25:00.866 --> 25:02.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but I actually want to help 25:02.500 --> 25:04.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if we can sit down and have conversations. 25:04.766 --> 25:07.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I wanna show up, I wanna let them know 25:07.133 --> 25:09.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that I lived in East Texas, 25:09.066 --> 25:11.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so I know what it is to live in rural America. 25:11.633 --> 25:13.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I know what it is to be nervous 25:13.466 --> 25:15.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that the tire plant is gonna close 25:15.366 --> 25:17.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% or International Paper is gonna close, 25:17.100 --> 25:20.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or the chicken plant and how that impacts the community. 25:20.400 --> 25:21.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I know this. 25:21.700 --> 25:24.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I also served on the Agriculture Committee, 25:24.066 --> 25:26.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so I've consistently talked to farmers, 25:26.400 --> 25:27.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I know their challenges. 25:27.866 --> 25:29.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And I also know what it's like 25:29.866 --> 25:32.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when your hospitals are closing, right? 25:32.066 --> 25:33.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I know these things. 25:33.666 --> 25:34.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so when I legislate, 25:34.933 --> 25:37.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I legislate to, yes, help my district, 25:37.500 --> 25:39.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but the help that goes to my district, 25:39.766 --> 25:41.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it goes far beyond my district. 25:41.433 --> 25:44.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so I wanna have these very real conversations with them. 25:44.333 --> 25:46.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Okay, we're gonna leave it right there. 25:46.500 --> 25:48.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Congresswoman, thank you very much for coming. 25:48.533 --> 25:49.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's good to see you. - Thank you. 25:49.966 --> 25:51.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Evan] Thank you for your service. 25:51.233 --> 25:54.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - It's good to see you. 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