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The lame duck session

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gets into high gear

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and Wendy Block

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from the Michigan

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Chamber of Commerce

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is upset

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with some of the legislation

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that she thinks

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is anti-business.

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Our lead story, a road fix

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plan may be taking shape.

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And what are the lame duck

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lawmakers actually doing?

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For the answers,

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join Kyle Melinn, Beth

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LeBlanc and Simon Schuster.

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Sit in with us

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as we get the inside out.

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Off the record.

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is made possible in part

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And now this

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edition of Off the Record

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with Tim Skubick.

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Thank you very much.

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Welcome to Studio C

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during this winter

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and winter is actually here

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now I think and lame

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duck legislature

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they're working

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kind of long hours

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aren't they guys?

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Oh yeah.

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Until 5:30 here on

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Friday morning.

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And the house is actually going

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to come in on a Friday.

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On a Friday!

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Yeah,

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but they're not going

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to do anything.

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I'm not so sure about that.

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All right.

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Let's see what

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they're going to do on roads.

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There's some movement.

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Could it be that help is on

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the way to fix your roads?

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The answer at this read

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appears to be yes.

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As the governor and the House

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and Senate bipartisan leaders

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are on a glide

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path to release

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a multibillion dollar

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road fix plan

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if they can find one.

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We're very hopeful.

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That one is

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We know that

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the quadrant leaders

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and the governor

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have been meeting on this issue

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and those meetings

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have been

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relatively productive.

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But it's not through yet.

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But the fact that

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they're even working on

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the soup is in and of itself

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a major breakthrough.

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It all started

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with the incoming House

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Republican speaker

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next year, Matt Hall,

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who wants to take money

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from one special interest group

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and give it to another.

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The road builders.

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You just

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take the corporate income tax

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and you dedicate that to roads.

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Another piece

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of the Republican proposal on

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the table

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is to eliminate the current

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6% sales tax at the pump.

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None of that money

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goes to the roads,

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and that would be replaced

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with a gas tax hike.

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This road

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lobbyist says that may look

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and feel like a tax increase,

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but it is not,

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despite the dollar

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amount involved,

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depending on the price of fuel,

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anywhere from $0.19 to $0.24.

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And that raises about 1.1

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to $1.2 billion.

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And if you

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if you eliminate the 6%

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sales tax on fuel

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and then you increase the gas

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tax by the equivalent amount,

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it's a

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it's a zero sum

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revenue neutral proposal.

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Revenue neutral,

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he says, means it's

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not a tax hike.

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The huge hurdle

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that the governor and leaders

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now face is that some groups

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want to fund the roads

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by cutting state services,

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while others want to raise

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new dollars.

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I think our leaders

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are doing their best

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to figure out

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how they can massage that,

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and it's better than 50/50.

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I think at this point

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the lobbyists

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expect some movement

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on all this

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in the House soon.

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With a possible road

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fix coming next week?

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Could it be?

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Could it be Miss LeBlanc?

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I don't know.

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They've got a long way to go,

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and I don't know that.

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I guess it's a no right?

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I think

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session today on Friday

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the 13th may not be

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an auspicious start

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to those negotiations

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that they're looking

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to go anywhere,

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but those talks

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definitely are happening.

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And there is a hope

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last night,

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Minority Leader

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Hall said that

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he's still hopeful

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a deal can be reached,

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but said there hasn't been one.

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And I think

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a nonstarter for him

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if any of his members

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are going to cross over

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and help vote for this

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is any kind of tax increase

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so an increase

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to the corporate income

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tax, to the gas tax, tolling,

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He's he's against that.

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Now, last night, though,

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he did float the possibility

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that they could end the mega

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tax credit early.

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It's supposed to

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expire in 2029.

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If they ended it early,

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it would

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free up

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about 550 to $600

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million a year.

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So I think ideas

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are still

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being thrown out there.

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They're still discussing it.

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But roads has been an issue

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for years and years

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and years and.

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Remember this, you know,

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it takes a long time

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for the soup to boil.

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I thought it was significant

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that the soup was on the oven

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and is boiling to a degree.

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Kyle. But you're not there yet?

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No. Well, here's what happened.

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Two weeks ago,

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it looked like

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the soup was starting to

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warm up a little bit.

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But what happened

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is, is the house

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got their members.

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They got 56 members

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on the Democratic side,

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which meant they could now

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talk about doing

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what they really want to do.

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And they don't

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have to negotiate

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with Matt Hall anymore.

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That was in question

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two weeks ago.

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It's not in question anymore.

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So now the Democrats

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are spending their time

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negotiating with themselves

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on what they want to do

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and in

04:39.166 --> 04:40.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
trying to clear the decks

04:40.600 --> 04:42.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
of all their interest group

04:42.100 --> 04:43.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
wish list items.

04:43.466 --> 04:44.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
And that's their focus

04:44.766 --> 04:45.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
right now.

04:45.433 --> 04:46.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
They don't have time to

04:46.066 --> 04:47.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
to talk with Matt Hall

04:47.466 --> 04:48.033 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
if he's not

04:48.033 --> 04:48.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
talking about revenue

04:48.966 --> 04:51.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
increases, which he is not.

04:51.400 --> 04:52.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
Yeah, I mean, I think

04:52.033 --> 04:53.066 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
I agree with Kyle.

04:53.066 --> 04:54.033 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
I think it's

04:54.033 --> 04:54.900 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
sort of a telling sign here

04:54.900 --> 04:56.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
is that you've heard

04:56.266 --> 04:57.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
sort of the parameters

04:57.633 --> 04:58.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
from Republicans

04:58.533 --> 04:59.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
of what they want.

04:59.300 --> 05:00.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
There was a package of bills

05:00.200 --> 05:01.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
released by Democrats

05:01.700 --> 05:03.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that was not necessarily

05:03.333 --> 05:04.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
a coherent policy portfolio.

05:04.866 --> 05:06.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
It was just a series of ideas

05:06.133 --> 05:07.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that didn't necessarily mesh

05:07.400 --> 05:09.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
all together as one coherent

05:09.300 --> 05:10.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
policy package.

05:10.400 --> 05:11.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
And so as a result,

05:11.800 --> 05:13.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
because the Republicans

05:13.200 --> 05:14.166 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
are talking

05:14.166 --> 05:15.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
about these negotiations,

05:15.000 --> 05:15.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
but you're not hearing so much

05:15.800 --> 05:17.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
from the Democratic side,

05:17.233 --> 05:17.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
it's tough to know

05:17.833 --> 05:18.500 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
where that fits

05:18.500 --> 05:19.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
within their wish list,

05:19.200 --> 05:21.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
given that all this policy

05:21.366 --> 05:22.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and of course, a lot can change

05:22.633 --> 05:23.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
because we're talking

05:23.333 --> 05:24.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
right before a House

05:24.033 --> 05:25.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
session is about to begin

05:25.033 --> 05:26.666 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
on Friday.

05:26.666 --> 05:27.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
It's tough to say where

05:27.800 --> 05:28.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
this is going to fall

05:28.566 --> 05:29.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
within their wish list.

05:29.466 --> 05:30.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
Doesn't the governor

05:30.633 --> 05:32.133 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
have a dog in this hunt?

05:32.133 --> 05:33.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
She has a record

05:33.266 --> 05:34.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
of having introduced

05:34.333 --> 05:35.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
a $0.45 gas tax

05:35.933 --> 05:38.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
hike which went in the tank.

05:38.000 --> 05:38.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
Then she did the

05:38.600 --> 05:39.266 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
bonding program

05:39.266 --> 05:39.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
and since then

05:39.866 --> 05:41.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
it's been crickets.

05:41.166 --> 05:41.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
She's got two years

05:41.966 --> 05:42.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
left, though,

05:42.733 --> 05:44.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
and so she's got two years

05:44.100 --> 05:45.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
to work with Matt Hall.

05:45.300 --> 05:46.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
She's only got two weeks

05:46.933 --> 05:47.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
to get through

05:47.800 --> 05:48.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
all of these

05:48.433 --> 05:49.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
different agenda items

05:49.600 --> 05:50.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
that organized labor

05:50.966 --> 05:52.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that the environmentalists,

05:52.266 --> 05:53.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that the trial attorneys

05:53.733 --> 05:55.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
all want to get through.

05:55.833 --> 05:56.800 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
The list is

05:56.800 --> 05:57.833 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
so long The House

05:57.833 --> 05:58.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
has been operating with

05:58.666 --> 06:00.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
a 100 item list.

06:00.000 --> 06:01.033 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
All week,

06:01.033 --> 06:01.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and they want to get

06:01.866 --> 06:02.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
all these things done.

06:02.800 --> 06:03.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
And the governor

06:03.366 --> 06:04.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
wants to get more

06:04.066 --> 06:05.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
of those things done, too.

06:05.333 --> 06:06.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
And so if that means

06:06.266 --> 06:07.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
that we kick roads

06:07.266 --> 06:08.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
until next year, then

06:08.300 --> 06:08.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
I guess that's what

06:09.033 --> 06:09.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
we've got to do. All right.

06:09.633 --> 06:10.266 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
So what's

06:10.266 --> 06:11.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
what is the major lame

06:11.333 --> 06:12.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
duck thing that has

06:12.266 --> 06:14.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
gotten your attention?

06:14.333 --> 06:16.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
There are a series of bills

06:16.333 --> 06:18.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that would create big changes

06:18.266 --> 06:20.133 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
to like

06:20.133 --> 06:21.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
the sentences

06:21.066 --> 06:22.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
of inmates right now.

06:22.333 --> 06:24.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
So one is juvenile lifers.

06:24.766 --> 06:25.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
So individuals

06:25.700 --> 06:26.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
sentenced before

06:26.533 --> 06:27.466 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
they were 19

06:27.466 --> 06:28.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
or committed a crime

06:28.300 --> 06:29.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
before they were 19,

06:29.833 --> 06:30.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
they would be up

06:30.633 --> 06:31.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
for parole hearings

06:31.633 --> 06:32.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
within 20 years

06:32.800 --> 06:34.500 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
of their sentence.

06:34.500 --> 06:37.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
Another one would allow

06:37.066 --> 06:38.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
it's called the second

06:38.500 --> 06:39.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
look legislation

06:39.566 --> 06:41.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
that would allow folks

06:41.333 --> 06:43.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
who are in prison to get

06:43.800 --> 06:44.566 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
to apply

06:44.566 --> 06:46.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
for another sentencing hearing

06:46.066 --> 06:48.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
within 20 years as well.

06:48.233 --> 06:49.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
And that's created

06:49.300 --> 06:49.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
that's created

06:49.866 --> 06:51.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
a ton of controversy

06:51.233 --> 06:53.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
within both Democrats

06:53.366 --> 06:54.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
and Republicans,

06:54.100 --> 06:55.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
among vulnerable Democrats,

06:55.700 --> 06:57.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
because that would be

06:57.900 --> 06:58.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
a big shake

06:58.900 --> 06:59.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
up to the court system

06:59.900 --> 07:01.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
and to the parole board

07:01.133 --> 07:03.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
to have to process those.
In 20 years

07:03.366 --> 07:05.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
sounds like a long time to me.

07:05.900 --> 07:06.433 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
It does.

07:06.433 --> 07:06.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
But if you have

07:06.966 --> 07:08.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
all of those inmates

07:08.900 --> 07:11.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
reapplying at the same time,

07:11.133 --> 07:12.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
when this bill passes, it's

07:12.966 --> 07:13.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
going to create a headache

07:13.866 --> 07:14.633 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
for the courts.

07:14.633 --> 07:16.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
And there's an argument

07:16.700 --> 07:18.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
too that victims

07:18.000 --> 07:19.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
who would have to,

07:19.233 --> 07:20.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
you know, testify

07:20.433 --> 07:20.733 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
at the

07:21.200 --> 07:22.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
sentencing hearings or testify

07:22.800 --> 07:24.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
before a parole board

07:24.033 --> 07:24.766 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
or submit

07:24.766 --> 07:25.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
testimony there, that

07:25.700 --> 07:26.700 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
it would be

07:26.700 --> 07:28.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
pretty disruptive to them.

07:28.433 --> 07:30.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Simon, what's your biggie?

07:30.200 --> 07:30.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
One of the

07:30.800 --> 07:31.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
things that I think

07:31.400 --> 07:31.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
has been interesting,

07:31.966 --> 07:32.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
broadly speaking,

07:32.600 --> 07:33.300 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
is that

07:33.300 --> 07:34.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
the Democratic priorities

07:34.366 --> 07:35.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that some of these lawmakers

07:35.533 --> 07:36.066 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
have had,

07:36.066 --> 07:36.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
you know, for up

07:36.700 --> 07:37.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
to almost a ten years,

07:37.966 --> 07:38.733 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
one of these is

07:38.733 --> 07:39.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
from Stephanie Chang.

07:39.900 --> 07:41.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
She's been interested in

07:41.233 --> 07:42.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
bringing together

07:42.266 --> 07:43.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
Duty to Intervene legislation,

07:43.600 --> 07:44.500 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
a series of reforms

07:44.500 --> 07:45.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
to how the state

07:45.100 --> 07:46.166 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
handles policing.

07:46.166 --> 07:46.766 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Almost since

07:46.766 --> 07:47.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
she entered the House

07:47.866 --> 07:49.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
back in 2015.

07:49.066 --> 07:49.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
And now we have

07:49.600 --> 07:50.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
ten bill packages

07:50.433 --> 07:51.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
both in the House

07:51.033 --> 07:51.733 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
and the Senate,

07:51.733 --> 07:52.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that would provide a sweeping

07:52.966 --> 07:54.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
array of different reforms

07:54.133 --> 07:54.833 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
for how the state

07:54.833 --> 07:55.766 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
handles policing.

07:55.766 --> 07:56.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
And these include

07:56.366 --> 07:57.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
like mandatory

07:57.133 --> 07:58.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
training for life

07:58.033 --> 07:58.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
for police officers

07:58.866 --> 07:59.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
simply to license

07:59.533 --> 08:01.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
looking at implicit bias

08:01.066 --> 08:01.633 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
training, this

08:01.633 --> 08:02.533 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
duty to intervene.

08:02.533 --> 08:03.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
This even has

08:03.100 --> 08:03.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Republican support

08:03.833 --> 08:04.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
with Johnson as the sponsor

08:04.933 --> 08:06.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
for this legislation,

08:06.100 --> 08:07.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and it had Republican

08:07.533 --> 08:08.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
support back in 2020

08:08.933 --> 08:10.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
after the murder

08:10.266 --> 08:11.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
of George Floyd.

08:11.600 --> 08:12.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
And so, you know,

08:12.433 --> 08:12.933 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
that's something

08:12.933 --> 08:13.833 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
that has been

08:13.833 --> 08:15.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
on the burner for so long,

08:15.166 --> 08:16.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
but it's not necessarily

08:16.033 --> 08:16.466 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
clear that

08:16.466 --> 08:16.566 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
it's even

08:17.233 --> 08:17.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
going to make it to the floor.

08:17.800 --> 08:18.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Let's just explain

08:18.533 --> 08:20.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
what duty to intervene means.

08:20.533 --> 08:21.166 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
Sure. Yeah.

08:21.166 --> 08:22.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
When one police officer

08:22.233 --> 08:23.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
is doing something that meets

08:23.033 --> 08:24.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
the legal definition

08:24.200 --> 08:25.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
of excessive force,

08:25.266 --> 08:26.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
then another police officer

08:26.300 --> 08:27.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
then has a legal duty

08:27.766 --> 08:28.266 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
to intervene

08:28.566 --> 08:29.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and prevent that from going on.

08:29.600 --> 08:30.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Wouldn't someone argue,
shouldn't

08:30.666 --> 08:31.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
that be in the playbook

08:31.700 --> 08:32.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
already?

08:32.600 --> 08:33.333 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
And again,

08:33.333 --> 08:33.766 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
this is something

08:34.033 --> 08:34.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that has bipartisan support.

08:34.933 --> 08:36.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
We have Republican members

08:36.500 --> 08:37.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
of the Senate supporting it.

08:37.933 --> 08:38.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
But then when you see it

08:38.966 --> 08:39.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
go through the

08:39.600 --> 08:40.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
committee in the House

08:40.500 --> 08:41.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
and the Republican members

08:41.733 --> 08:42.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
on that committee

08:42.433 --> 08:43.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
voted against the bill,

08:43.400 --> 08:43.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
even though it's

08:44.066 --> 08:45.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
essentially equivalent.

08:45.200 --> 08:46.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
And so they pass out the bill

08:46.933 --> 08:47.233 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
at like

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5:30 in the morning

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this morning,

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which is really funny.

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So mine so my.

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None of you were up.

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Well yeah.

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So so we got to look at it but

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what I've been interested in

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is the, first of all,

08:57.466 --> 08:58.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
the unemployment

08:58.333 --> 08:59.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
benefits and extending,
Huge!

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that's a real big.

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I mean they're taking it

09:01.533 --> 09:04.400 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
from $362 a week maximum

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to like $615

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or something like that.

09:06.966 --> 09:08.466 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
I mean,
21.

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an enormous number, and then

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bumping back up

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the time you can collect from

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20 weeks back to 26,

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which it was before

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Snyder got into office.

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And then I would say

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what they did this morning

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that I couldn't

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believe was polluter pay.

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I didn't think that

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the Democrats

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would all get together

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and stick it to business

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and say

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that if you were responsible

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for this pollution,

09:29.166 --> 09:30.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
you got to clean it up

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and you have a duty to.

09:32.233 --> 09:33.100 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
That's

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that's something I'm

09:33.766 --> 09:34.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
sure our guest is

09:34.733 --> 09:36.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
is not very happy about.

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Didn't we have that once upon a
time?

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Yeah, we did.

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And it got repealed.

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And I'm sure Wendy

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Block will talk

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a lot about that.

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What about changing

09:43.766 --> 09:44.466 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
the petition

09:44.466 --> 09:46.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
drive language or the

09:46.200 --> 09:47.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
in other words,

09:47.066 --> 09:48.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
you can't no longer at this

09:48.800 --> 09:50.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
stuff gets to the gut.

09:50.166 --> 09:52.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
You can't get per name,

09:52.300 --> 09:53.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
which takes all the fun

09:53.300 --> 09:54.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
out of collecting names.

09:54.000 --> 09:54.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
You can't get paid per name.

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It's got to be like

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an hourly wage.
An hourly wage?

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It's like being a reporter,

09:58.666 --> 09:58.966 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

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working for $3.50 an hour

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to collect names.

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Nobody's going to do it.

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It certainly is going to take

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a lot of the incentive

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out of doing petitions,

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isn't it?

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Because that was

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the whole thing, is that,

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you know, you could get paid

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like $15

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a signature

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at some points when, you know,

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the demand was super high.

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And now if you got to do it

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just for an hour,

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how many people are you going

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to be able to get to do it?

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And ghost guns,

10:19.766 --> 10:20.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
what's happening there?

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That's something

10:21.333 --> 10:21.766 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
where we have seen

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a lot of bicameral movement.

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These packages that want to ban

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bump stocks,

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ghost guns, 3D

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printed weapons, which we saw in

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These are guns

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that you could make at home

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with no serial number? Yes.

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And this got pushed

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into the headlines

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in the past couple of weeks

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given the killing

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of UnitedHealthcare

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CEO Brian Thompson.

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And these are things

10:39.366 --> 10:41.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that don't have necessarily

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a strong

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or influential special interest

10:43.433 --> 10:44.366 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
in the state

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capital tied to them.

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And so it's something

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where Democrats

10:46.633 --> 10:48.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
see a little bit easier

10:48.000 --> 10:49.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
what path forward.

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I think
You think it's gonna?

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Well I think Tim too

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like for a lot of these

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they've

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passed one chamber,

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they've passed the committee,

10:57.300 --> 10:59.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
but throughout this session

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they've struggled to get it

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through both chambers.

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A lot of these

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a lot of these priorities

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have passed one chamber

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and then just sat for a while.

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So I think, you know,

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the next week

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is going to be telling to see

11:09.533 --> 11:12.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
which of those actually see

11:12.166 --> 11:13.100 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
their policies

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make it to the finish line,

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because it's

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they've hit hiccups

11:15.866 --> 11:16.533 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
along the way.

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I'm trying to put myself

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in the place of the person

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at home

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who doesn't watch this process

11:21.166 --> 11:23.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
and thinking to myself,

11:23.166 --> 11:23.900 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
they're doing over

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100 bills in two weeks.

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Is that responsible

11:27.833 --> 11:28.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
legislating?

11:28.633 --> 11:29.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Yeah, that's really hard to

11:29.800 --> 11:30.733 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
justify, isn't it?

11:30.733 --> 11:31.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
That you're doing

11:31.633 --> 11:33.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
so many important things

11:33.533 --> 11:34.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that never got a hearing,

11:34.700 --> 11:35.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
that never went through

11:35.833 --> 11:37.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
the committee process,

11:37.333 --> 11:38.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and it just shows up

11:38.966 --> 11:40.866 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
at 5:00 in the morning

11:40.866 --> 11:42.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
with a, in the case of polluter

11:42.433 --> 11:44.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
pay, a 75 page substitute

11:44.700 --> 11:46.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that I was reading at 5:00

11:46.300 --> 11:47.166 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
this morning,

11:47.166 --> 11:48.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
trying to see if I understood

11:48.933 --> 11:50.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
basically what was going on,

11:50.833 --> 11:51.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
which, you know, isn't easy.

11:51.900 --> 11:52.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
But these people now

11:52.600 --> 11:53.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
have to vote on this,

11:53.633 --> 11:54.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
and they get it,

11:54.366 --> 11:55.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
you know, a few minutes

11:55.166 --> 11:55.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
ahead of time.

11:55.866 --> 11:56.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Is it responsible?

11:56.800 --> 11:58.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I think you can argue that it

11:58.033 --> 11:59.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
probably is not.

11:59.133 --> 12:01.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
So what's the solution?

12:01.566 --> 12:02.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
Well, I think.

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Why did you laugh?

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Well, because this is

12:04.533 --> 12:05.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
the fundamental tension

12:05.500 --> 12:06.500 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
that we've seen,

12:06.500 --> 12:07.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
particularly within the House,

12:07.700 --> 12:08.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
throughout the duration

12:08.666 --> 12:10.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
of this legislative session.

12:10.066 --> 12:10.866 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
Which is the fact that

12:10.866 --> 12:12.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
on an ambitious legislation,

12:12.366 --> 12:13.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
they need unanimity.

12:13.766 --> 12:15.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
And all that happens,

12:15.633 --> 12:16.000 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
you know,

12:16.000 --> 12:16.566 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
if for

12:16.800 --> 12:17.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
special interests in this town,

12:17.733 --> 12:18.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
if they want to preserve

12:18.500 --> 12:19.233 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
status quo,

12:19.233 --> 12:20.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
they need to find one member

12:20.566 --> 12:21.800 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
that isn't

12:21.800 --> 12:22.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
going to go along

12:22.366 --> 12:23.100 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
with Democrats.

12:23.100 --> 12:23.733 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
And for

12:23.733 --> 12:24.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
the Republican Party

12:24.966 --> 12:25.666 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
in the House,

12:25.666 --> 12:26.100 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
the math is

12:26.300 --> 12:26.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
fundamentally changed,

12:26.966 --> 12:27.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
which is that they know

12:27.733 --> 12:28.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that they're going to have

12:28.400 --> 12:29.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
the majority next term.

12:29.400 --> 12:30.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
So if they hold strong,

12:30.300 --> 12:31.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
they can get promises

12:31.133 --> 12:31.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
from leadership

12:31.833 --> 12:32.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that they can have movement,

12:32.833 --> 12:33.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
even if they like

12:33.566 --> 12:34.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
what Democrats

12:34.133 --> 12:34.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
are putting forward.

12:34.866 --> 12:36.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
But couldn't the Democrats

12:36.000 --> 12:36.666 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
still go over

12:36.666 --> 12:37.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
on the other side?

12:37.400 --> 12:38.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
There's four or five

12:38.333 --> 12:39.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
six guys and ladies

12:39.666 --> 12:40.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
sitting over there

12:40.466 --> 12:41.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that are available to vote

12:41.466 --> 12:42.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
with the Democrats.

12:42.600 --> 12:43.133 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50%
Well,

12:43.333 --> 12:45.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
I think that's testament to

12:45.300 --> 12:46.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
to Leader Hall's ability

12:46.600 --> 12:47.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
to really keep his

12:47.666 --> 12:49.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
his caucus intact or.

12:49.066 --> 12:50.233 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Or the Speaker's inability

12:50.233 --> 12:50.566 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
to work

12:50.933 --> 12:51.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
the other side of the aisle,

12:51.666 --> 12:52.766 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
if you will. Yeah.

12:52.766 --> 12:53.400 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
It's probably

12:53.400 --> 12:54.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
a combination of both.

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All right, let's call in,

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yeah go ahead. Go ahead.

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Just real quickly.

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I mean, just in general,

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the Democrats have struggled

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to get any kind

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of serious

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legislation through

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that has required

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bipartisan support.

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I mean, the last time

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you can really point to is

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when Whitmer

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got the Republicans

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to go along and join together

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on the auto insurance reforms.

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And after that,

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you know,

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even working on the budgets

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at your.

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Yeah.

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How did that work out, Kyle?

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All right.

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Let's call

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in the Michigan chamber.

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You know what I'm

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talking about?

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Let's call in

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Wendy Block

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from the Michigan Chamber

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of Commerce. Miss Block,

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thank you for staying with us

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this morning.

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I have a little sort of bit

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off topic.

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Are you guys ready to sign off

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on taking the corporate

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income tax and put

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it into the roads?

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No.

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And in

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fact, we are

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strongly opposed to an increase

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in the corporate income tax.

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When we look at our membership,

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we feel like it's

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very unfair to ask

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just a subsection

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to fund new money

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for the roads.

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There are more equitable

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solutions, including

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user fees that we do support,

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but we just

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we cannot get behind this

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push on this

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issue in lame duck.

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Well, could the argument

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be made that business benefits

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from good roads so pony up?

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100%. Right?

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Businesses do need good roads,

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and that's why we do

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support user fees.

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And we have a long history,

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decades long history,

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of being supportive

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of new user fees

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and new revenue for the road.

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Like first,

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we think that government

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should look within

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and figure out

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what can they do

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to find those savings

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and those efficiencies,

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including passing

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legislation

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to allow the sourcing

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of aggregate materials

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or sand and gravel

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closer to the sites

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where we're building roads.

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But then beyond that,

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we do support user fees,

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but an increase in the CIT

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or doing other major tax

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policy changes

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that really

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have no linkage to the road,

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we just don't feel

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it's appropriate.

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Wendy, there are a lot of

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of legislation

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moving through both chambers

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or through committee

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that business groups

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are pretty panicked about

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it sounds like,

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from what we've been hearing.

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Are there priorities

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for like legislation

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that you guys want to block

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at this point?

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Because it seems like

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you can only

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plug the dam in so many spots.

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And remember, this

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is only a 20

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to 30 minute program.

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Yeah.

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So it's interesting

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because I was listening to the

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the panel

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talk about the issues

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that are on their radar.

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And frankly,

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I was taking notes.

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I don't even know

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about half of these things

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that you're talking about.

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And so,

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you know, the business

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community's issues

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are just one small,

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small subsection of the overall

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just crazy

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list of things

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that we're seeing here

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in the lame duck.

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I worked in Lansing

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for over 20 years,

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and I have not seen a lame

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duck like this.

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And, you know,

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so when we

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start talking

15:37.900 --> 15:38.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
about those issues

15:38.600 --> 15:39.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that we're concerned about,

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I mean, we went into this lame

15:40.733 --> 15:41.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
duck saying

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it is absolutely urgent

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that the legislature deal

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with this earned sick time

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and minimum wage issue. Like

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full stop,

15:48.800 --> 15:49.900 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
that has got to

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be the priority.

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But then as these bad bills

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have gotten

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legs and have gained steam,

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it almost seems like

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that's kind of the least

15:58.633 --> 16:00.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
of our concerns at this point.

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And it's crazy

16:00.800 --> 16:01.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
to think that we're

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we're actually saying that.

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But Kyle mentioned one

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big issue,

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the so-called polluter pay

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bill sounds

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great on the surface,

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but will really create

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costly barriers

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to redeveloping

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contaminated sites in Michigan.

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The CIT proposal

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is another huge one for us.

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We're considered

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very concerned

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about legislation

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that is on the move

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to allow local

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units of government

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to pass their own wage

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and our laws.

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So think

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local prevailing

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wage, local minimum

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wage, and the like.

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And you know, kind of

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we can go from there, I guess.

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Yeah, another piece of
legislation

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that I was curious

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to get your response to, passed

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to the Labor

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Committee last night,

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Pretty speedily

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Is this package from Democrats

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that's going to address

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gender based discrimination

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in the workplace,

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sort of pay equity?

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This is broad

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based package, includes bills

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that would require

16:54.966 --> 16:56.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
every employer in the state

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if an employee requests it

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to provide

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the salary list

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of similarly

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situated employees.

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Is this something

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that is on your radar

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as any concern of becoming law?

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Yeah.

17:06.100 --> 17:07.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
So there are a number of bills

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that have come out of the House

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Labor Committee

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this week

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that some of those

17:11.966 --> 17:12.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
that you mentioned

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and others that you haven't.

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Other bills in that package

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would actually criminalize,

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meaning throw business owners

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in jail

17:19.866 --> 17:21.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
for up to 20 years

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if they have

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technical violations to wage.

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And our laws.

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We just think that's

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fully inappropriate.

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You were just talking about

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all these second chance laws

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and how

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we've been talking about

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reforming criminal justice

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this entire session.

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And now Democrats

17:34.100 --> 17:35.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
want to throw business

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owners in jail

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because they

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got some computations wrong.

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It's just crazy

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to think all of these bills

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and frankly,

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you know,

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you think about

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the small business owner

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and their

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compliance obligations

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with this

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this influx

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of labor requirements.

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And how will they even know?

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I mean,

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we even have people

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that still are saying,

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I just heard

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about this decision

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out of the Supreme Court

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on minimum wage and paid leave

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leave.

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Can you help me understand

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and explain?

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And then you start

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talking about just bill

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after bill after bill

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that requires them to comply

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with something that they very

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well may not even know about.

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And like,

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what is the state going to do

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to get the word out?

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I think probably nothing.

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And the law says

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so throw the book at them.

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Wendy,

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I know that

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the business community

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had approached

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Speaker Tate

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and the Democratic leadership

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and said,

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we'll go along with

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with a smaller increase

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on the unemployment

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insurance benefits

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if in exchange

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you'll take a look

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at the tipped wage

18:33.433 --> 18:35.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and earned sick time.

18:35.300 --> 18:37.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
And the response back was,

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that's okay, we got it taken

18:38.600 --> 18:39.233 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
care of.

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Is that, it's

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got to feel kind of

18:40.866 --> 18:42.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
like a hopeless feeling like,

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oh my God,

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they really don't need us.

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And you're

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getting kind of shoved back

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and you're having to become

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more of a spectator here.

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I would argue we

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haven't been spectators.

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We've been fully

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engaged in the process

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and we have made

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made a big difference

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on big issues.

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It's unfortunate,

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though, that Democrats

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have been saying all along

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they're not going to do this

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and they're not

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going to do that.

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And then all of a sudden

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these bills are getting

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jammed through

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in the final days

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of the legislative session.

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It feels like

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we've been told one thing,

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and then when,

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you know,

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the window's closing

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and all of a sudden here,

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you know,

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the floodgates are open.

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On the unemployment

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insurance bill,

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we've said all along that we do

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think it is

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time for an increase

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in benefits,

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but we have to be very careful

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in terms of figuring out

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what is that right number.

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When we look at our

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competitor states

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as more in that $500

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per week

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amount on the legislation

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that was sent to the governor

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goes to 614.

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And our big concern with

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that is just the trust fund,

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the fund that pays

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benefits to claimants

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is still rebuilding

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due to

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the situation

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that happened under COVID,

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where the agency just pushed

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money out the door

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to people in other countries.

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And there was a ton of fraud,

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both state and federal fraud.

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And the trust fund is

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just not in a healthy position.

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So we don't believe

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that you can raise

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unemployment benefits

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this high, this fast,

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without triggering

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a new payroll tax increase

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on Michigan employers.

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And again,

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you add that,

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you know,

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you might say and in a vacuum,

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you know, employers

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probably can absorb that.

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But when you start layering

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on all of these bad bills

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and all the costs

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associated with them

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that the Democrats

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are passing

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in these final days

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of the session,

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that's really where it becomes

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unsustainable

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and Michigan becomes

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highly uncompetitive.

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We get this all the time.

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What is happening in Michigan?

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Let's bring this

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to the kitchen table

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for the people

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that want to understand

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what the implication

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is for them as consumers,

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let's assume

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that half of this stuff passes.

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What's the impact on

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mom and dad?

20:41.833 --> 20:42.233 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50%
Yeah.

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So, Tim,

20:43.000 --> 20:43.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
I think you are raising

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a great point

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and one that we have been

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trying to stress

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is that,

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you know,

20:47.733 --> 20:48.466 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
these costs

20:48.466 --> 20:50.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
have to come out somewhere.

20:50.166 --> 20:51.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
And in November,

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voters went to the polls

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and they voted on the economy

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and their personal situation

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and their pocketbook.

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And it's almost like

20:57.966 --> 20:59.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Democrats are not listening

20:59.933 --> 21:00.766 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
to that message

21:00.766 --> 21:01.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
from voters

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and doubling down on this idea

21:03.000 --> 21:04.166 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
that government

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needs to come in

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and form

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new programs

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and levy new penalties

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and fines

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and make things

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more difficult

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for business, which will then

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and increase their costs.

21:13.566 --> 21:14.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
And that has to be

21:14.400 --> 21:15.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
passed on to the consumer

21:15.866 --> 21:17.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
or it has to be found

21:17.000 --> 21:18.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
in some sort of adjustments

21:18.600 --> 21:20.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
to wages and benefits.

21:20.233 --> 21:22.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
And it just feels tone

21:22.000 --> 21:22.700 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
deaf to us.

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I really don't understand it.

21:25.266 --> 21:26.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
And one thing

21:26.066 --> 21:27.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that we didn't talk about today

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is and, I don't even know

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that much about it, but,

21:29.633 --> 21:30.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
you know, last night

21:30.900 --> 21:32.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
the House Labor Committee,

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without any testimony, passed

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massive changes

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to our public pension systems.

21:38.400 --> 21:39.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
And as I understand it,

21:39.600 --> 21:42.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that's up to $25 billion

21:42.266 --> 21:43.500 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
in new obligations

21:43.500 --> 21:44.533 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
for the state.

21:44.533 --> 21:45.466 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
These things

21:45.466 --> 21:46.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
are going to be paid

21:46.333 --> 21:47.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
for by taxpayers.

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It has to come out somewhere.

21:49.233 --> 21:51.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
We can't make promises

21:51.033 --> 21:53.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
and just say like somehow,

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who's going to pay for this

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Santa Clause?

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Like, it's outrageous.

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Wendy, I

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want to I

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just want to ask you also about

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the the

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I guess,

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the extent of the bills

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that are coming out right now.

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And you mentioned earlier

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that you felt deceived.

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Are there

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particular bills

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that you were told

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we will not take up

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in lame duck

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and now they are? Be specific.

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What did they tell you

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they weren't going to do?

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Yeah.

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So, I mean,

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I think this is ongoing, right?

22:22.600 --> 22:23.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
Like we are playing

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Whac-A-Mole on a ton of things

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right now.

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We were told all along

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that unemployment

22:28.366 --> 22:29.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
probably was going to come.

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Right?

22:30.666 --> 22:31.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
But we were told the votes

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weren't there

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on a number of things

22:33.600 --> 22:35.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
even going into this week.

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And you know, so,

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yeah,

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we last night

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managed to stop a workers

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compensation bill.

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Maybe there's a house

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vehicle on that.

22:44.000 --> 22:44.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
I guess we'll find out

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as the day continues

22:46.166 --> 22:47.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
whether that issue

22:47.166 --> 22:48.566 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
is still alive.

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But, you know, we were

22:49.633 --> 22:52.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
we were told going into

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the week that there

22:53.600 --> 22:54.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
just were not the votes

22:54.733 --> 22:55.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
on a number of things.

22:55.600 --> 22:57.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
And it just feels like

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that has been

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in a following situation.

23:00.433 --> 23:01.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Polluter pay

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would be a good example

23:01.833 --> 23:03.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
where we were led to believe

23:03.133 --> 23:04.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
that the votes were

23:04.366 --> 23:05.166 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
not there

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and all of a sudden

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this thing and a 75 page sub,

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you know, substitute bill

23:09.933 --> 23:10.666 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
kind of popped

23:10.666 --> 23:11.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
and all of a sudden

23:11.366 --> 23:12.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
we were off to the races.

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We were told that

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it was dead, too.

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We were, the reporters were told

23:14.933 --> 23:16.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
it was dead last night.

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Yeah.

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I mean, frankly,

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I'm almost shocked that

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Senator Geiss's 12 week paid

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leave mandate bill

23:24.100 --> 23:24.800 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
kind of got

23:24.800 --> 23:25.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
left on the cutting room

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floor, given just the craziness

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of all of the policy changes.

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and.
Can you

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Can you refresh my memory?

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How many Democrats did

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you endorse in the

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House races in November?

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Oh, that's a good question.

23:38.333 --> 23:40.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
I think upwards of 15

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Democrats and frankly,

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you know,

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today will be a good test

23:44.100 --> 23:44.466 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
today.

23:44.466 --> 23:44.800 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Friday

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the 13th will be

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a good test of,

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you know, kind of

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what are they going to do

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in the final days

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here. Were they happy

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to accept

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the business

23:51.900 --> 23:53.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
community's endorsement

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and then

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turn around

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and stab us in the back

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when it doesn't matter anymore,

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when there's

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no more accountability.

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But it's going to be

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I just don't see the road

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back on this. Right?

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We cannot

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turn the page in the new year

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and forget

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what happened

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to the business community

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during the lame duck session

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as we move forward

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with our political program.

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So how many of that 15

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have that knife in

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your back right now?

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We will see as the day goes on.

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No, no.

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No, no, no.

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I want a number.

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How many people have

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said, okay,

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we're going to

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cough up a vote for you

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because you endorsed me.

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I mean,

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we don't play that way, right?

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We don't hide.

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That's,

24:29.533 --> 24:30.233 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
excuse me,

24:30.233 --> 24:33.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
isn't that what the game is?

24:33.400 --> 24:34.300 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
We really try

24:34.300 --> 24:34.866 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
very hard

24:34.866 --> 24:35.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
to separate

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policy and politics.

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And of course, there are times

24:38.100 --> 24:39.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
where they intersect.

24:39.700 --> 24:40.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
But, you know, again,

24:40.766 --> 24:42.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
today is not,  it's a new day

24:42.800 --> 24:43.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
In Lansing.

24:43.566 --> 24:43.866 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Right?

24:44.300 --> 24:46.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
We are very firmly focused on

24:46.233 --> 24:46.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
those issues

24:47.000 --> 24:48.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
that still remain on the table

24:48.266 --> 24:49.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
and still have

24:49.066 --> 24:50.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
the threat of getting done.

24:50.366 --> 24:51.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
And we're going to continue

24:51.333 --> 24:51.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
to work

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with everyone and anyone

24:53.400 --> 24:54.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
everyone and anyone

24:54.366 --> 24:55.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
who's willing to work with us

24:55.766 --> 24:56.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
up until the end.

24:56.733 --> 24:57.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
But again,

24:57.500 --> 24:59.400 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
actions have consequences

24:59.400 --> 25:01.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
and we do engage politically.

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As a professional

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political advocate.

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You know,

25:04.300 --> 25:05.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
you just said just a minute ago

25:05.566 --> 25:05.933 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
talking about

25:06.133 --> 25:07.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
playing Whac-A-Mole,

25:07.066 --> 25:07.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
well you're playing

25:07.666 --> 25:08.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
whack a mole, perhaps

25:08.433 --> 25:10.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
with these bills in the House.

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You know,

25:11.233 --> 25:12.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
Republicans are aligned

25:12.000 --> 25:12.533 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
in opposition,

25:12.533 --> 25:13.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
only one Democrat

25:13.866 --> 25:14.533 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
to say no

25:14.533 --> 25:15.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
on a piece of legislation

25:15.500 --> 25:16.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
and two in the Senate.

25:16.633 --> 25:17.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
How does that change the math

25:17.800 --> 25:19.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
for you?

25:19.100 --> 25:19.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Yeah, I mean,

25:19.733 --> 25:20.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
and I think that's

25:20.466 --> 25:21.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
been the problem all along.

25:21.766 --> 25:22.433 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Right?

25:22.433 --> 25:23.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Democrats have struggled

25:23.800 --> 25:25.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
with attendance issues.

25:25.066 --> 25:25.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
They've struggled

25:25.766 --> 25:26.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
with keeping their caucus

25:26.866 --> 25:27.733 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
together.

25:27.733 --> 25:28.366 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
Lame duck

25:28.366 --> 25:29.033 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
seems to be

25:29.033 --> 25:29.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
a little bit different.

25:29.733 --> 25:30.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
We've gotten past

25:30.566 --> 25:31.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
the attendance issues

25:31.566 --> 25:33.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
that we had last week

25:33.900 --> 25:35.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
and we are continuing again

25:35.433 --> 25:36.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
to talk to anyone

25:36.266 --> 25:37.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
and everyone who's

25:37.033 --> 25:37.800 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
willing to listen

25:37.800 --> 25:39.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
and to understand

25:39.200 --> 25:41.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
the harmful nature of all of

25:41.266 --> 25:45.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
these various proposals. And

25:45.033 --> 25:46.533 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
yeah, you know,

25:46.533 --> 25:47.166 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
it's interesting.

25:47.166 --> 25:47.800 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
I think sometimes

25:47.800 --> 25:48.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
people are like,

25:48.533 --> 25:49.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Oh, you should talk to X, Y

25:49.733 --> 25:50.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and Z, and it's like,

25:50.466 --> 25:51.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
No, I'm talking to you.

25:51.700 --> 25:53.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I'm asking you to be a no vote

25:53.666 --> 25:54.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
and to explain to me

25:54.533 --> 25:56.100 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
why you're not.

25:56.100 --> 25:56.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Because we think we have

25:56.966 --> 25:58.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
a pretty compelling story here.

25:58.533 --> 25:59.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
So there is

25:59.500 --> 26:00.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
a little bit of that

26:00.433 --> 26:02.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
that's going on.

26:02.133 --> 26:02.766 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
And frankly,

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I think there's a

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lot of fatigue.

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And, you know,

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legislators are exhausted

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as everybody else,

26:07.933 --> 26:08.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
yourselves

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probably included,

26:09.266 --> 26:09.900 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
like last night

26:10.233 --> 26:11.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
was a long night in House
session,

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you know, is turning around

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after the Senate

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adjourned at 5:00

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in the morning to

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to convene session at 9 a.m.

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There's not a lot of turnaround

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time here.

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And everybody,

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you know, they get tired

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and there's like,

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fine, I'll vote

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yes if that means we can

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go home.
Are you having fun?

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In so

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far as I have a

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sick and twisted

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definition of fun, I guess.

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Yes.

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Wendy we thank you

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