1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,200 Thanks for joining us. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,733 Republican political consultant 3 00:00:07,733 --> 00:00:09,466 Jamie Roe is in the loop with his take 4 00:00:09,466 --> 00:00:11,533 on the presidential race in our state. 5 00:00:11,533 --> 00:00:13,300 Our lead story, Ms .Harris, Mr. 6 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:15,366 Trump and Mr. Vance all visit Michigan. 7 00:00:15,366 --> 00:00:17,700 What did they say when they were here? 8 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:21,133 To answer that around the OTR table, Kyle Melinn, 9 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:23,100 Jordyn Hermani and Bill Ballenger. Sit in with us 10 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:29,333 as we get the inside out, off the record 11 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:31,566 production of Off the Record is made possible 12 00:00:31,566 --> 00:00:34,700 in part by Martin Waymire, a full service 13 00:00:34,700 --> 00:00:36,766 strategic communications agency, 14 00:00:36,766 --> 00:00:39,100 partnering with clients through public relations, 15 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:42,033 digital marketing and public policy engagement. 16 00:00:42,033 --> 00:00:45,300 Learn more at Martinwaymire.com 17 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:50,500 and now this edition of Off the Record with Tim Skubick. 18 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:51,166 Thank you very much. 19 00:00:51,166 --> 00:00:52,366 Welcome to Studio C. 20 00:00:52,366 --> 00:00:54,466 As we continue on our road toward this election, 21 00:00:54,466 --> 00:00:56,066 how are we ready for this to be over? 22 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:59,200 Yes, well, yeah, we've got a long way to go. 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,500 All right. 24 00:01:00,366 --> 00:01:01,333 Let's first of all, before we get to the visit 25 00:01:01,333 --> 00:01:03,200 by all the candidates into Michigan, 26 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,566 Jordyn, we had the labor unions checking in on a very 27 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:08,900 serious debate going on with the tip workers 28 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:10,466 who want to hang on to their tips. 29 00:01:10,466 --> 00:01:12,333 And the union said thanks, but no thanks. 30 00:01:12,333 --> 00:01:13,533 How come? Right. 31 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:15,433 So we have about six 32 00:01:15,433 --> 00:01:17,366 of the state's largest unions that came out. 33 00:01:17,366 --> 00:01:19,266 They wrote a letter to the House 34 00:01:19,266 --> 00:01:20,933 speake and the Senate majority leader. 35 00:01:20,933 --> 00:01:22,400 The House and Senate are obviously both controlled 36 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,600 by Democrats, basically saying, hey, do not touch 37 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,500 what the Supreme Court came down with earlier in the summer, 38 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,500 which would phase out a tipped wage for workers. 39 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,733 It's just under $4 right now in Michigan 40 00:01:33,733 --> 00:01:37,533 and it would bump Michigan's 1033 an hour minimum wage. 41 00:01:37,533 --> 00:01:38,433 Under the ruling, 42 00:01:38,933 --> 00:01:42,000 the minimum wage would increase nearly $15 an hour by 2028, 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,100 and that tipped wage would be gone by 2030 44 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:46,566 and it would match minimum wage level. 45 00:01:46,566 --> 00:01:49,266 So everyone's quote unquote, on the even playing field, 46 00:01:49,266 --> 00:01:52,000 labor unions said, hey, don't don't mess with that. 47 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,100 This was a victory for workers rights. 48 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:57,300 And that doesn't really bod well as we many of us know that 49 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:01,366 unions and Democrats are usually typically in good alignment. 50 00:02:01,366 --> 00:02:03,100 It doesn't bod well for people who are looking 51 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:03,900 to get that change. 52 00:02:04,266 --> 00:02:05,966 Well, Kyle what's interesting is when we had Mr. 53 00:02:05,966 --> 00:02:08,966 Ellis, who is from the Ba Owners Association in this seat, 54 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,100 he was talking very optimistically 55 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:13,166 about finding a compromise with the D's. 56 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:17,266 And he said, I have a commitment or they want to talk to me. 57 00:02:17,266 --> 00:02:18,733 The legislative leaders 58 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:21,533 game over right now, an it would certainly seem like it. 59 00:02:21,533 --> 00:02:23,900 I mean, I would say it's game over because 60 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:27,166 this whole this whole scheme was put together by ROC, 61 00:02:27,166 --> 00:02:29,100 the Restaurant Opportunities Center, 62 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:32,766 and which is pretty aligned with the labor unions, 63 00:02:32,766 --> 00:02:36,366 and they created this formula to make it clear that 64 00:02:36,566 --> 00:02:40,066 these servers are at least supposed to be guaranteed now 65 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:42,333 the same minimum wage as everybody else, 66 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:46,100 but that we saw also earlier this week 67 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:47,666 that some servers, 68 00:02:47,666 --> 00:02:48,633 hundreds of servers 69 00:02:48,933 --> 00:02:51,633 came to the Capitol and said, but but we're not making 70 00:02:51,633 --> 00:02:52,366 out on this. 71 00:02:52,366 --> 00:02:54,000 I mean, some lose money. 72 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,366 We're actually going to lose money 73 00:02:55,366 --> 00:02:58,866 because people are going to stop tipping 20% on their bill. 74 00:02:58,866 --> 00:03:03,266 And instead of coming home with $100, $150 in tips, 75 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:04,566 I'm just making the minimum wage. 76 00:03:04,566 --> 00:03:07,466 Might as well work at Burger King. 77 00:03:07,466 --> 00:03:09,333 Tip workers are screwed. 78 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:10,966 That's what the bottom line is. 79 00:03:10,966 --> 00:03:13,266 I mean, look, 80 00:03:13,266 --> 00:03:16,700 it was pretty much preordained as far as I'm concerned. 81 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:18,533 The Democrats in the legislature weren't 82 00:03:18,533 --> 00:03:22,000 going to do anything on this to begin with. 83 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,033 And now any prospect that they would do 84 00:03:25,033 --> 00:03:28,733 anything has been dashed by the union statement. 85 00:03:28,733 --> 00:03:31,400 So game over. 86 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,366 Only thing they got tipped workers out of this 87 00:03:34,366 --> 00:03:40,000 was this modified Supreme Court twitch to postpone 88 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,500 the phasing out of the temp wage until 2030-1 year. 89 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:47,133 That's it. That's all they got and they're getting screwed. 90 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:49,100 I saw the people who are watching this now 91 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:51,500 at home are wondering, so how does this impact me? 92 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:53,133 In fact, there could be, 93 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:54,800 if you believe what the bar owners 94 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,866 and restaurant folks are saying is 95 00:03:56,866 --> 00:03:58,233 a couple of things will happen. 96 00:03:58,233 --> 00:04:00,533 Some businesses will simply close. 97 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:00,800 All right. 98 00:04:01,966 --> 00:04:03,766 We don't know what that numbe is, but the number is up there. 99 00:04:03,766 --> 00:04:05,333 Some workers will leave. 100 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:05,800 Okay. 101 00:04:06,466 --> 00:04:08,900 So basically the hospitality industry will be 102 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:11,200 you go in and order your food, go up to the bar 103 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,366 and pick it u and bring it back to your table. 104 00:04:13,366 --> 00:04:16,133 This decision came out, the unions said right away, 105 00:04:16,133 --> 00:04:19,433 this is just business as usual business 106 00:04:19,433 --> 00:04:22,833 crying wolf and it's all B.S. 107 00:04:22,833 --> 00:04:24,433 And they're just trying to get 108 00:04:24,433 --> 00:04:27,433 this thin scaled back by the legislature, 109 00:04:27,666 --> 00:04:31,366 and we're not liking it at that point. 110 00:04:31,366 --> 00:04:33,433 And that was like two or three weeks ago. 111 00:04:33,433 --> 00:04:35,566 Now, yesterday. That's the end of it. 112 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:36,400 Yeah. All right. 113 00:04:36,866 --> 00:04:38,800 So everybody in his uncle was in the state this week. 114 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,833 What was the lead out of all of these visits, Kyle? 115 00:04:41,833 --> 00:04:44,300 Oh, gosh Auto industry is going to die. 116 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:47,700 Donald Trump basically predicted it's on its last legs. 117 00:04:47,933 --> 00:04:50,133 Kamala Harris with Oprah Winfrey. 118 00:04:50,133 --> 00:04:53,466 You know, Michiga just continues to stay relevant. 119 00:04:53,466 --> 00:04:56,500 And so these folks are goin to continue to get earned media 120 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:58,066 and they're going to keep bringing up 121 00:04:58,066 --> 00:05:02,466 different issues in small crowds to get the TV cameras there. 122 00:05:02,466 --> 00:05:05,466 West Michigan is seen as a very critical 123 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:08,066 part of the state a critical part of the country. 124 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:10,633 So you continue to see J.D. Vance go there. 125 00:05:10,633 --> 00:05:12,233 He's been in the state five times, 126 00:05:12,233 --> 00:05:13,966 four times he's been to West Michigan. 127 00:05:13,966 --> 00:05:16,066 That's got to tell you something. 128 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:19,333 Meanwhile, Donald Trump is going to Flint, of all things. 129 00:05:19,333 --> 00:05:21,133 I mean, that just kind of seems counterintuitive, 130 00:05:21,133 --> 00:05:23,266 except when you take a look at the media markets 131 00:05:23,266 --> 00:05:24,633 and you realize that 132 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:25,866 if you're able to go to Flint, 133 00:05:25,866 --> 00:05:27,366 you're going to guarantee yourself 134 00:05:27,366 --> 00:05:31,000 all of those news station in that tri city area in Flint 135 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 are going to show up. 136 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,966 So you get free earned media there. 137 00:05:33,966 --> 00:05:35,733 So it's just for both campaigns, 138 00:05:35,733 --> 00:05:38,966 they still see this as relevan as Michigan is being relevant. 139 00:05:38,966 --> 00:05:41,133 And as long as we are still relevant, 140 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:42,433 they're going to keep coming here. 141 00:05:42,433 --> 00:05:44,900 I mean, I looked bac at the headlines the other day. 142 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,000 I think we're going on 143 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,833 something like two straight months 144 00:05:47,833 --> 00:05:50,100 where a presidential candidate or vice presidential 145 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:51,166 candidate has visited 146 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:53,433 the state of Michigan at least once a week. 147 00:05:53,433 --> 00:05:56,233 And that really just goes to underscore A, again, 148 00:05:56,233 --> 00:05:57,700 I feel like a broken record saying this, 149 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:59,900 how much of a swing state we are, but B, 150 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,166 how tight this race is in Michigan. 151 00:06:02,166 --> 00:06:06,166 I mean, when you go back to 2020 and Joe Biden won by, what, 152 00:06:06,166 --> 00:06:10,166 154,000 votes, I honestly will be surprised 153 00:06:10,166 --> 00:06:12,033 if we do hit such a large threshold 154 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:13,400 and think we may be more looking 155 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,000 at something like a 2016 turnout. 156 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,966 William? Well this is groun zero on the Electoral College, 157 00:06:20,166 --> 00:06:23,566 Michigan along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin 158 00:06:23,566 --> 00:06:25,100 and a few other states. 159 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,400 So the candidates are going to keep coming. 160 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,833 And you've got actually dueling Vice President nominees 161 00:06:31,833 --> 00:06:36,400 Tim Walz and JD Vanc both picked to a certain extent 162 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,166 because each of the presidential nominees thought they might 163 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,000 really be able to hel in some other Midwestern states 164 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,766 simply because they've got that Midwestern vibe 165 00:06:47,766 --> 00:06:51,400 that is missing fro the top of the ticket otherwise. 166 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,566 And right now, I'd say JD Vance is losing that fight, 167 00:06:55,566 --> 00:06:58,833 and I'm wonderin whether he's setting himself up 168 00:06:58,833 --> 00:07:01,233 for real trouble getting reelected in Ohio 169 00:07:01,233 --> 00:07:04,100 if he's not elected this November. Well it's 170 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:07,500 to pick a guy from Ohio to try and engender goodwill in 171 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:12,100 Michigan yo start. Send him to Ann Arbor. 172 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:13,266 that blimp that 173 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:16,433 they flew over, the University of Michigan Stadium. 174 00:07:16,433 --> 00:07:18,133 Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 175 00:07:18,133 --> 00:07:18,766 What about Mr. 176 00:07:19,366 --> 00:07:21,800 Trump continues to beat on this auto industry thing. 177 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,933 He basically said, 178 00:07:23,933 --> 00:07:26,766 you know, the industry has got two or three years to go, 179 00:07:26,766 --> 00:07:28,966 which nobody in this state has said that at all. 180 00:07:28,966 --> 00:07:31,933 No, but I mean, he has become the master of hyperbole 181 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:35,800 and stretching things out and and really kind of 182 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,166 taking it another ste to try and get people excited, 183 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:42,800 whether it's that or I'm going to cut your energy rates 50%. 184 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,766 You know, it's it's. If I can. Yeah, if I can. 185 00:07:45,766 --> 00:07:47,000 Right. Yeah, sure I can. 186 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,066 You know so it's it is hyperbole. 187 00:07:49,066 --> 00:07:50,100 It's trying to get 188 00:07:50,333 --> 00:07:52,966 at our heartstring and pull in on our insecurities 189 00:07:52,966 --> 00:07:54,200 about whether we're going to have a job, 190 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,000 whether we're going to have an auto industry. 191 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,800 And that's and that's so important to this state 192 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,133 Well his argument is that EVs are taking over 193 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:03,933 the industry and Michigan is going 194 00:08:03,933 --> 00:08:05,900 to lose that battle to China. 195 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:10,100 And so the traditional model of the fossil fuel 196 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:13,233 automotive ca that was developed in the state 197 00:08:13,233 --> 00:08:15,700 over a century ago is going to be kaput 198 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:17,100 and EVs are taking over. 199 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:18,766 And Michigan is not where the action is. 200 00:08:18,766 --> 00:08:19,766 You know, Debbie Stabenow, 201 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:21,233 we talked to her a couple of weeks ago. 202 00:08:21,233 --> 00:08:22,333 She said what is driving 203 00:08:22,533 --> 00:08:25,633 this debate on the Republican side is the oil industry. 204 00:08:25,633 --> 00:08:26,133 They are 205 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:27,033 they are the ones that are 206 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,700 pulling the strings here to make sure that they have 207 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:31,633 some part of the market left over 208 00:08:31,633 --> 00:08:34,400 after the EV revolution, quote unquote, is over. 209 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,100 Well, if you take a loo at Donald Trump's contributions, 210 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,133 he does get a significant amount from the petroleum industry. 211 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:41,133 And he has talked 212 00:08:41,366 --> 00:08:44,266 on the campaign trail, day one, drill, baby, drill. 213 00:08:44,266 --> 00:08:45,600 So that does line up. 214 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,200 I think what you guy are talking about does line up 215 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,533 about the insecuritie and then talking again, though, 216 00:08:50,533 --> 00:08:54,233 about West Michigan and the Goshen plant up north 217 00:08:54,233 --> 00:08:55,466 and how J.D. 218 00:08:55,466 --> 00:08:57,200 Vance has used that just recently. 219 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,700 Use that again in Sparta 220 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:01,066 to try and get people excited about the idea of, 221 00:09:01,066 --> 00:09:02,066 oh my gosh, what happens 222 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:05,133 if we get all these battery cars all made in China? 223 00:09:05,133 --> 00:09:05,633 What does 224 00:09:06,533 --> 00:09:09,233 it look like for our industr and do we not have jobs anymore? 225 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:11,233 It's a good line that they're playing with, 226 00:09:11,233 --> 00:09:14,800 especially when a Democrati administration is giving money 227 00:09:15,033 --> 00:09:17,200 to help make this transition happen. 228 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,233 Well, the polling data, we have two polls out. 229 00:09:19,233 --> 00:09:20,133 The Emerson Hill 230 00:09:20,133 --> 00:09:20,733 poll says 231 00:09:21,366 --> 00:09:24,266 it is tied here in Michigan, but the university from 232 00:09:24,266 --> 00:09:25,866 Connecticut, what's the name of the university? Quinnipiac. 233 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:26,733 Thank you. Okay. 234 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:27,100 All right. 235 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:29,933 Notice how I didn't want t pronounce it and I never will. 236 00:09:29,933 --> 00:09:31,133 They have a good hockey team. 237 00:09:31,133 --> 00:09:33,400 Yeah, they have a five point lead. 238 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,633 They gave her a five point bounce 239 00:09:35,633 --> 00:09:37,200 out of the debate in Michigan. 240 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,333 So go figure which one is right. 241 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:39,600 Well, 242 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:40,933 I think if you take a look at all 243 00:09:41,666 --> 00:09:43,433 the polls since Harris becam a nominee in Michigan, there's 244 00:09:43,433 --> 00:09:47,200 I counted 18 and Trump is only up in four of them. 245 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,533 And there's like three ties. 246 00:09:48,533 --> 00:09:51,466 But the one thing that that I have noticed that is 247 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:54,366 that is similar in all of them is that there's 248 00:09:54,366 --> 00:09:55,633 there's a small, narrow 249 00:09:55,633 --> 00:09:58,633 band that each of the candidates are operating within. 250 00:09:58,633 --> 00:10:03,133 With Harris, it's somewhere between 51 and 48, 47%. 251 00:10:03,133 --> 00:10:05,233 Every single poll has her within that band. 252 00:10:05,233 --> 00:10:06,266 And with Trump, 253 00:10:06,266 --> 00:10:08,233 he hasn't been able to crest 50% 254 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:10,333 since Harris has been a candidate. 255 00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:12,166 That's the magic number. In Michigan. 256 00:10:12,166 --> 00:10:14,800 Not one poll has had him at 50%. 257 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,133 He's been at 49, but not 50. 258 00:10:16,133 --> 00:10:18,833 So he's in this 49-46 band. 259 00:10:18,833 --> 00:10:22,366 So what I see is I see tha I mean, I'm noting that there's 260 00:10:22,366 --> 00:10:23,500 a five point 261 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:24,566 margin in one poll 262 00:10:24,566 --> 00:10:24,800 and then 263 00:10:25,933 --> 00:10:27,866 another poll has a tied, bu they're both within those bands. 264 00:10:27,866 --> 00:10:29,900 So if you look at it that way, 265 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:33,166 these polls are still within the margin of error of each other 266 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,100 and that the the upshot is tha Harris is still marginally up, 267 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:40,266 but again, still within the margin of error. 268 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:41,966 I mean, it's like the weather in Michigan. 269 00:10:41,966 --> 00:10:43,000 If you don't like whatever 270 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,466 the poll says about your candidate, 271 00:10:44,466 --> 00:10:46,833 just wait 5 minutes and there will be a new one. 272 00:10:46,833 --> 00:10:48,866 I mean, we've consistently seen, 273 00:10:48,866 --> 00:10:49,366 like Kyle 274 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:51,266 just said, the same thing sort of over and over, 275 00:10:51,266 --> 00:10:54,300 and they're operating within floating between these 276 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:58,133 two metrics that, you know, it hasn't changed in 277 00:10:58,133 --> 00:10:59,700 I mean, it's changed slightly, 278 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:03,100 but it just goes to sho how much people are kind of done 279 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,000 with this year. All right. 280 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,333 All right. 281 00:11:04,566 --> 00:11:05,133 Let's shift gears. 282 00:11:05,466 --> 00:11:08,133 Banning or excuse me, not banning, 283 00:11:08,133 --> 00:11:10,900 restricting the use of cell phones in schools. 284 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,300 This has now become a cause celeb. Yes. 285 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:17,700 Well, it could at the state level become a cause 286 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,700 celeb. Although I don't see 287 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:23,733 any evidence of real energy in the legislature. 288 00:11:23,733 --> 00:11:26,066 They are fallin all over themselves to do this. 289 00:11:26,066 --> 00:11:28,066 They had a shot at this a couple of years ago. 290 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:31,766 Local school district can already do this and some are 291 00:11:31,766 --> 00:11:34,900 the Governor can also sign an EO an executive order 292 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:36,166 to do it. You know she could try that. 293 00:11:36,166 --> 00:11:38,266 I mean, the point is it's all about 294 00:11:38,266 --> 00:11:41,266 getting cell phone use out of the classroom 295 00:11:41,266 --> 00:11:44,900 particularly doing during instructional hours. 296 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:47,933 I mean, maybe there's some rationale to students 297 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:51,100 basically having cell phones when they're not actually 298 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:52,266 in the classroom. 299 00:11:52,266 --> 00:11:53,066 But the best 300 00:11:53,533 --> 00:11:57,166 excuse for keeping cell phones with children in class 301 00:11:57,166 --> 00:11:59,933 is we got to make sur that they can call their parents 302 00:11:59,933 --> 00:12:00,900 and law enforcement 303 00:12:01,366 --> 00:12:04,800 or vise versa. If the school i being terrorized. The parents 304 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,666 in many respects locally are driving this debate. 305 00:12:06,666 --> 00:12:08,266 I mean, I can just think back to 306 00:12:08,266 --> 00:12:10,233 when I was in high school and I would just as somewhat 307 00:12:10,233 --> 00:12:12,733 defend the usage of cell phones in school. 308 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:15,033 They were brought into instructional time. 309 00:12:15,033 --> 00:12:16,100 I mean, there would be times 310 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:17,566 when you would be able to, you know, 311 00:12:17,566 --> 00:12:19,866 answer trivia questions that were going on 312 00:12:19,866 --> 00:12:21,900 for homework on the board or something like that. 313 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:24,166 I mean, I understand the argument 314 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:26,666 definitely for banning them. Both My parents are teachers. 315 00:12:26,666 --> 00:12:29,800 I have heard many storie about how frustrating it can be. 316 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,833 I mean, I also understan the need for not banning them. 317 00:12:32,833 --> 00:12:34,400 I get that it can be very concerning 318 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,733 to not have the ability to talk to a child. 319 00:12:36,733 --> 00:12:38,333 I'm not a parent myself, granted, 320 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:40,266 I can't fully comprehend that. 321 00:12:40,266 --> 00:12:43,100 But I mean, in all fairness, 322 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:46,233 we survived so many years prior to cell phones 323 00:12:46,233 --> 00:12:48,233 where you couldn't get a hold of your child. 324 00:12:48,233 --> 00:12:49,900 I can't imagine that this one 325 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:53,233 generation of student is that drastically different. 326 00:12:53,233 --> 00:12:55,300 I think that, you know, banning. 327 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:56,366 But to that point, banning 328 00:12:56,366 --> 00:12:57,933 should probably be left up to the schools. 329 00:12:57,933 --> 00:12:59,500 I do find it a little funny that Republicans 330 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,966 are kind of leading the charge on this one, when they're 331 00:13:01,966 --> 00:13:03,566 traditionally small government. Rep. Mark Tisdale has worked on 332 00:13:03,566 --> 00:13:05,933 this for over a year. Thi legislation. He's really done a 333 00:13:05,933 --> 00:13:08,966 deep dive.. We got into this in pretty good the other day and 334 00:13:08,966 --> 00:13:10,333 it was really on top of this. 335 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:13,333 He basically says look at the last thing you want. 336 00:13:13,533 --> 00:13:15,866 In the midst of an active shooter prowling around 337 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:16,366 the school. 338 00:13:16,966 --> 00:13:18,933 Is your kid on the phone with their parent 339 00:13:18,933 --> 00:13:20,033 when they aren't listening 340 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:21,833 to the perso at the head of the room? Okay. 341 00:13:21,833 --> 00:13:24,200 You don't want all of the parents jumping in their cars 342 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,500 and running to the school 343 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,000 while the first responders are trying to get there. 344 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:28,833 And he said, I'm 345 00:13:29,233 --> 00:13:32,000 very clear that I understand the angst of the parents 346 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,266 in this situation. 347 00:13:33,266 --> 00:13:36,133 But his argument was Kyle, that kids are actually safer 348 00:13:36,366 --> 00:13:37,833 if the parents stay out of the loop. 349 00:13:37,833 --> 00:13:39,466 That's a dangerous thing to say. 350 00:13:39,466 --> 00:13:42,266 That's an interesting argument to make. I find it. 351 00:13:42,266 --> 00:13:45,800 What I find interesting in this is that Mark Tisdale, 352 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,733 a state representative out of Rochester, 353 00:13:47,733 --> 00:13:50,266 which is in a politically competitive district, 354 00:13:50,266 --> 00:13:53,833 has picked up this issu and is now working it two months 355 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,366 before an election. 356 00:13:55,366 --> 00:13:58,400 So maybe from my standpoint, it sounds like there is some 357 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,500 connection he's trying to mak with with parents, with schools, 358 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,533 trying to make the statement that having cell phones as a 359 00:14:05,533 --> 00:14:07,266 distraction in the classroom 360 00:14:07,266 --> 00:14:08,233 and that that's something 361 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,200 that maybe better taking care of as an issue state wide. 362 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,133 It's certainly 363 00:14:13,366 --> 00:14:15,033 a different debate and something worth having. 364 00:14:15,033 --> 00:14:18,033 But I have a feeling that he has people in his district 365 00:14:18,033 --> 00:14:20,266 tapping him on the shoulder saying this is a good idea. 366 00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:22,033 And that is in response to that. 367 00:14:22,033 --> 00:14:22,933 He confirmed it. 368 00:14:23,433 --> 00:14:25,733 He said, we meet once a mont with the all the administrators, 369 00:14:25,733 --> 00:14:27,733 the principals, and they are all over us. 370 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:29,433 Okay, do something. 371 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:31,400 It helps the mental health situation, 372 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,333 the bullying online and stuff like that. 373 00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:35,100 Did you ever run into that in school? 374 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:37,300 Me being bullied? No, no, no, no, no. 375 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:39,100 This like a very pointed question. 376 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:40,500 Most of mine are. 377 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,033 But I digress. 378 00:14:42,033 --> 00:14:42,900 Social media, though. 379 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:43,333 Yeah. 380 00:14:43,333 --> 00:14:43,666 In school, 381 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,033 I mean, I saw it more so 382 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,866 moving into college that I mean, I can think of, for instance, 383 00:14:47,866 --> 00:14:50,333 the campus act, Yik Yak, and that's going to date me 384 00:14:50,333 --> 00:14:53,433 horrifically, but yeah, I mean there's all sorts of reasons 385 00:14:53,433 --> 00:14:56,866 why social media has been use both positively and negatively. 386 00:14:57,066 --> 00:14:57,300 To me 387 00:14:58,133 --> 00:14:59,166 it just seems like a really strange fight 388 00:14:59,166 --> 00:15:01,533 to pick right now of all times to feel 389 00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:02,733 Tisdale's got a winning issue. 390 00:15:02,733 --> 00:15:04,733 And I think it's a winning issue for Republicans. 391 00:15:04,733 --> 00:15:05,600 I guess what 392 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:08,633 I think is one of the few time I can think of the Republicans 393 00:15:08,633 --> 00:15:12,433 might be in sync with the MEA or teachers in general. 394 00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:13,900 I'll tell you, it's a winning argument 395 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:17,000 if you can make cell phones disrupting their classroom. 396 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,966 Right But parents vote, too, is all. 397 00:15:18,966 --> 00:15:20,833 My point is in that, you know, it seems like 398 00:15:20,833 --> 00:15:22,833 a strange issue to pick right now. 399 00:15:22,833 --> 00:15:25,533 To Kyle's point, fewer than 60 days ahead of an election. 400 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:26,700 It's not really going to go anywhere. 401 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:29,133 So maybe it's fine in that regard, because I 402 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:30,466 it doesn't look like the legislature 403 00:15:30,466 --> 00:15:32,866 is coming back to vote on much soon. It's not going to go 404 00:15:32,866 --> 00:15:33,933 anywhere right now. 405 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,500 But look this may be a lagging indicator. 406 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:38,633 You could see it on top of everybody 407 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:41,800 listening here So bill back i the day before, were there cell 408 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,433 phones, If parents, 409 00:15:42,433 --> 00:15:43,066 if you're 410 00:15:43,366 --> 00:15:44,433 your parents wanted to get in touch 411 00:15:44,433 --> 00:15:46,366 with you in school, what would they do? 412 00:15:46,366 --> 00:15:48,366 Call the principal's office. Exactly. 413 00:15:48,366 --> 00:15:52,733 And would you get the message and then you could ignore it? 414 00:15:52,733 --> 00:15:53,400 Yeah, I don't 415 00:15:53,833 --> 00:15:57,200 think you have any choice but to obey it. 416 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,000 But they have actually said they have put more people 417 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 on duty to answer the phone in the principal's office. 418 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,766 If parents want to call in, it's interesting, I think they'll 419 00:16:05,766 --> 00:16:07,766 I think they will pick it up in the new year. 420 00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:10,133 I do, but I've been wrong before. 421 00:16:10,133 --> 00:16:10,433 All right. 422 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,266 Let's call in our guest 423 00:16:11,733 --> 00:16:12,900 to talk about politics with Jamie 424 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,833 Roe down in our favorite county, Macomb County. 425 00:16:15,833 --> 00:16:18,066 Mr. Roe, how you doing? 426 00:16:18,066 --> 00:16:19,400 Good to see you. 427 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,666 You're doing wonderful 428 00:16:20,666 --> 00:16:24,200 Greetings from the center of the universe in Michigan. 429 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,400 Oh, no, no. 430 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,600 Actually, Frasie is the center of the universe. 431 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,066 Okay, Did you know that? 432 00:16:30,066 --> 00:16:31,866 Which is in McComb County? 433 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,000 I'm aware of that. 434 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,233 Okay, so look at 435 00:16:34,233 --> 00:16:37,100 will you concede tha you're your candidate for the US 436 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:40,900 Senate by the name of Rogers is losing this race today? 437 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,566 As we sit here. Do you concede that point? 438 00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:45,233 I will not concede that point. 439 00:16:45,233 --> 00:16:48,666 I think momentum's with Mik Rogers. I'm not talking about 440 00:16:48,666 --> 00:16:50,233 momentum, I'm talking about who's ahead. 441 00:16:50,233 --> 00:16:51,600 But we're not doing big Mo. 442 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,600 We're doing big lead. 443 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Well, you know, quite honestly the election isn't held today. 444 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,433 But the fact of the matter is, Elissa 445 00:16:58,433 --> 00:17:02,033 Slotkin has already spent $25 million 446 00:17:02,033 --> 00:17:05,833 lying about Mike Rogers record and her numbers don't move. 447 00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:07,066 Rogers is coming up. 448 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:09,266 People are getting reacquainted with him. 449 00:17:09,266 --> 00:17:11,266 And we're very confident 450 00:17:11,266 --> 00:17:13,566 that come November 5th, Mike Rogers, 451 00:17:13,566 --> 00:17:15,100 is gonna be the next senator from Michigan. 452 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,600 So all the polling data that has her with a firm 453 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,766 lead beyond the margi of error are simply dead wrong? 454 00:17:20,766 --> 00:17:22,266 I don't know that there is any polling 455 00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:25,266 that shows her with a firm lead beyond the margin of error. 456 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:26,700 Well there's one that just came out 457 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:29,333 that gave her a five point lead. 458 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:32,133 Plus or minus what? 459 00:17:32,133 --> 00:17:32,900 Let me just say this. 460 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:33,833 I'm not going to debate polls, 461 00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:35,833 particularly media polls. Of course you're not 462 00:17:35,833 --> 00:17:37,633 because you're losing them, right? 463 00:17:37,633 --> 00:17:40,066 Well well, no, 464 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:41,266 because the media polls are 465 00:17:41,266 --> 00:17:41,933 often done 466 00:17:42,566 --> 00:17:44,933 not to reflect public opinion, but to try and shape it. 467 00:17:45,166 --> 00:17:48,333 And we are paying attention to what we have internally. 468 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:49,733 And what we have internally shows 469 00:17:49,733 --> 00:17:52,300 that we are on the path to victory in November. 470 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,900 What does your polling data show about John James? 471 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:56,266 Have you been following that race? 472 00:17:56,266 --> 00:17:58,533 And now that the Democrats are starting to actually 473 00:17:58,533 --> 00:18:00,300 spend some real money on their candidate, 474 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:04,433 Carl Marlinga, is there concern that he's in trouble? 475 00:18:04,433 --> 00:18:06,000 I think John James is doing great. 476 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,800 He won last year in 2022. 477 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,166 In a year when we're getting beat 478 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:13,366 by ten points at the top of the ticket 479 00:18:13,366 --> 00:18:17,066 and and held on to win i what is sort of a tough district 480 00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:17,733 at that time. 481 00:18:17,733 --> 00:18:18,233 I think he's 482 00:18:19,133 --> 00:18:21,766 got two years of experienc now where he's really delivered 483 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,966 particularly here for Macomb County. 484 00:18:23,966 --> 00:18:25,400 And I'm pretty confident 485 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,133 John James is going to be going to be strong on Election Day. 486 00:18:29,133 --> 00:18:30,266 He's been he's done 487 00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:32,266 an absolutely great job in Congress. 488 00:18:32,266 --> 00:18:34,466 He's worked with all of our local leaders down here. 489 00:18:34,466 --> 00:18:35,600 I was speaking to one 490 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,333 local Democrat leader 491 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:38,000 at an event 492 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,700 the other day 493 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,833 who was praising the job that John James has done 494 00:18:41,833 --> 00:18:42,766 for Macomb County. 495 00:18:42,966 --> 00:18:46,666 So we're pretty confident actually live from 496 00:18:46,666 --> 00:18:49,833 about 500 feet outside of John James district right now. 497 00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:51,266 And there's 498 00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:54,366 he has got a ton of support down here, Macomb County. 499 00:18:54,366 --> 00:18:57,733 The other thing that they did that the 1.7 million, 500 00:18:57,733 --> 00:18:58,066 I guess 501 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,133 from some outside group 502 00:18:59,666 --> 00:19:02,266 that's going to come in and support Marlinga bought 503 00:19:02,266 --> 00:19:07,366 late in the game at X you kno extortion rates on Detroit TV. 504 00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:10,700 So it's not going to go as fa as what John James already has, 505 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:12,033 confident that he's going to have 506 00:19:12,033 --> 00:19:13,766 the ability to get his message out. 507 00:19:13,766 --> 00:19:17,866 And quite honestly, Macomb County is voting Republican. 508 00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:20,533 So that's why I'm saying it from the top of the ticket 509 00:19:20,533 --> 00:19:21,900 back down. 510 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:23,133 You know, Trump, you 511 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:26,066 think, is going to carry Macomb County pretty easily. 512 00:19:26,066 --> 00:19:29,833 I think Trump is going to carry Macomb County 513 00:19:29,833 --> 00:19:33,200 better than he carried it in 2016 or 2020. 514 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,700 And he carried it both. 515 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:35,600 And I think we're 516 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:38,500 going to see a big margin here out of the county in 517 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,600 I'll just tell you this, 518 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,466 his coattails in Macomb County are long. 519 00:19:42,466 --> 00:19:45,666 When we we were running 520 00:19:45,666 --> 00:19:49,900 in 2016, Trump carried McComb County solidly 521 00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:53,266 in helped us to elect a our county treasurer. 522 00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:54,966 My former boss, Candice Miller, 523 00:19:54,966 --> 00:19:59,300 got elected public works commissioner and we elected 524 00:19:59,300 --> 00:19:59,933 a woman that 525 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:03,000 probably had no busines winning as as our county clerk. 526 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,166 So the the the coattail for Trump in this area are long. 527 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:10,566 And I think it helped not only John James, 528 00:20:10,566 --> 00:20:12,333 but it also helps us to take back 529 00:20:12,333 --> 00:20:15,366 the majority in the state House, where we have several 530 00:20:15,366 --> 00:20:16,800 very competitive races 531 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,933 for the state House here in Macomb County, 532 00:20:18,933 --> 00:20:21,233 feeling very confident about those as well. 533 00:20:21,233 --> 00:20:23,900 To that to that point, you know, you mentioned that 534 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:25,600 John James won in 2022. 535 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,000 He only won by half a percentage point, though. 536 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,733 And, you know, with Trump on the ballot 537 00:20:29,733 --> 00:20:33,733 this year, it's no secret that suburban women 538 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:37,466 helped deliver Joe Biden a victory in 2020. 539 00:20:37,466 --> 00:20:40,033 All that being said, with the current rhetoric 540 00:20:40,033 --> 00:20:43,066 that we're kind of hearing out of the 541 00:20:43,066 --> 00:20:44,866 Vance-Trump ticket, 542 00:20:44,866 --> 00:20:46,133 are we at all concerned 543 00:20:46,133 --> 00:20:49,766 that that point five victory that you guys had in 2022, 544 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,633 that that's going to be, you know, 545 00:20:51,633 --> 00:20:52,966 drawn down like, what are you guys, 546 00:20:52,966 --> 00:20:55,533 I guess, doin moving into this election year 547 00:20:55,533 --> 00:20:59,333 differently that you didn't do in '22? 548 00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:02,666 Well, one thing we hav is a strong top of the ticket. 549 00:21:02,666 --> 00:21:06,400 I mean, that that is the very different 550 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,666 situation than it was in 2022. 551 00:21:08,666 --> 00:21:14,233 Also, Prop thre is not on the ballot in in 2024. 552 00:21:14,233 --> 00:21:17,833 Those were things that really hurt us 553 00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:21,933 at the ballot box in areas across the state. 554 00:21:21,933 --> 00:21:25,700 I can't tell you how much more helpful it is 555 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:29,266 for someone like John James or 556 00:21:29,266 --> 00:21:32,766 the state House races to hav Donald Trump leading the ticket. 557 00:21:32,766 --> 00:21:34,100 And Mike Rogers, 558 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:35,600 I mean, there are two 559 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,600 top of the ticket races are going to be very strong 560 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,533 in this area, and that's going to help across the board. 561 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:44,600 And as far as communicating with suburban women, yes. 562 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,000 And we're going to talk about issues 563 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,033 that they care about, like the economy, 564 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:50,900 starting with the economy and the border, to think that 565 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,666 that women, suburban women are only 566 00:21:54,666 --> 00:21:57,633 interested in abortio like some on the other side do. 567 00:21:57,866 --> 00:22:00,900 I think it is a slap at suburban women. 568 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:01,866 Now, Jamie, 569 00:22:01,866 --> 00:22:03,166 you had mentioned a little earlier 570 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:06,000 about the state House races and you feel like Republicans 571 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,733 are going to be successful there. 572 00:22:07,733 --> 00:22:09,500 How many seats do you believe? 573 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,800 Just the McComb County, the Republicans will be able 574 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,733 to flip in McComb Count and be specific on which ones? 575 00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:17,733 Well, I think that there 576 00:22:17,733 --> 00:22:19,066 obviously, I think the ones 577 00:22:19,066 --> 00:22:22,300 that are up for grabs are pretty self-explanatory 578 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:26,766 based on where the Democrat are plowing cash into right now. 579 00:22:26,766 --> 00:22:30,200 I think Nat Shannon is in very big trouble 580 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,033 in Sterling Height and Warren and Denise Mentzer, 581 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:36,966 I think is in very big trouble in Clinton 582 00:22:36,966 --> 00:22:40,266 Township, in Sterling Heights, in Mount Clemens. 583 00:22:40,266 --> 00:22:43,400 And Mai Xiong 584 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,400 I think, is it has has some issues. 585 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,900 And that seat is one that Trump carried twice previously. 586 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:52,533 So I thin we're going to be in the battle 587 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:53,666 in all three of those. 588 00:22:53,666 --> 00:22:55,500 And I thin all of our incumbents are safe. 589 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,700 Mr. Trump' rhetoric about the auto industry 590 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:00,266 has not exactly sounded complimentary. 591 00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:03,466 Is there a potential backlash from him coming in this state 592 00:23:03,466 --> 00:23:06,366 and saying, we're going to be toast in two years, 593 00:23:06,366 --> 00:23:09,100 that Donald Trump is telling th truth about the auto industry? 594 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,166 The fact of the matter is that the the Biden-Harris- 595 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:16,600 Slotkin EV mandate is a problem for the auto industry. 596 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,933 You know, I'm here in Macomb County right now. 597 00:23:18,933 --> 00:23:19,733 You know what we do? 598 00:23:19,966 --> 00:23:21,833 We manufacture things in Macomb County, 599 00:23:21,833 --> 00:23:23,800 particularly for the auto industry. 600 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,833 And one thing that 601 00:23:25,833 --> 00:23:26,266 electric 602 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:30,833 vehicles don't need ar engines and parts and certainly 603 00:23:30,833 --> 00:23:34,033 a lot less parts than you have in electric vehicle. 604 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,400 And you don't need engine plants, 605 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,666 you don't need transmission plants, 606 00:23:38,666 --> 00:23:42,133 you don't need all the things that you need to put together 607 00:23:42,133 --> 00:23:46,133 an electric vehicle and it is 40% less labor. 608 00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:49,600 And the UAW themselves knows this, 40% less labor 609 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600 to build an EV than to build 610 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,200 a gas powered car. Yes. 611 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:55,766 So also 612 00:23:56,566 --> 00:23:59,533 they also counter that new jobs will be created in the EV 613 00:23:59,533 --> 00:24:02,933 industry and those people will simply segway from one to the 614 00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:07,066 other. 40% less labor, Tim to build an EV, 615 00:24:07,266 --> 00:24:10,166 and that includes whatever those new jobs are 616 00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:13,166 that that will allegedly be created in. 617 00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:16,000 Quite honestly another thing I think that most 618 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,733 people around here involved in the auto industry 619 00:24:17,733 --> 00:24:18,466 have problems with 620 00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:22,100 is they do not want to hav to import technology from China 621 00:24:22,333 --> 00:24:26,200 and import Chinese Communist Party connected companies 622 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,100 to build the automobiles of the future. 623 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:34,033 And quite, quite honestly right now you cannot build an EV 624 00:24:34,033 --> 00:24:38,233 without importing minerals and materials from China. 625 00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:42,566 Who controls 80% of the world market for the chemicals 626 00:24:42,566 --> 00:24:45,100 that are needed to build electric vehicle batteries? 627 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:48,166 So EV is EVs empower China 628 00:24:48,366 --> 00:24:51,400 and internal combustion engines power America. 629 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,066 So I'm for powering 630 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:56,166 the American auto industry not the Chinese auto industry. 631 00:24:56,166 --> 00:25:00,200 Jamie. the Teamsters have refused to endorse 632 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,466 in the presidential race this year. 633 00:25:02,466 --> 00:25:03,500 Quite unusual. 634 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,266 First time they haven't 635 00:25:05,266 --> 00:25:09,466 endorsed the Democratic nominee since before Bill Clinton. 636 00:25:09,466 --> 00:25:12,366 So what do you make of that? 637 00:25:12,366 --> 00:25:13,766 I think that 638 00:25:13,766 --> 00:25:17,133 it was interesting when thei announcement came out yesterday 639 00:25:17,133 --> 00:25:20,500 because the presiden of the Teamsters Union said that 640 00:25:20,766 --> 00:25:23,933 Kamala Harris did not achieve a majority of the poll 641 00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:28,366 of their members, and Donal Trump didn't claim a consensus. 642 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,400 So it makes you think if they had 643 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000 if Kamala Harris had gotten a majority of their members, 644 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,433 they likely would have endorsed her. 645 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:35,000 But I don't know. 646 00:25:35,633 --> 00:25:37,933 Trump needed 100% o something like that to get the 647 00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:39,100 the union had the courage 648 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,433 to actually reflect the will of their members. 649 00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:45,000 We're seeing this with blue collar workers 650 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,066 across the countr and certainly across this state, 651 00:25:48,066 --> 00:25:52,633 that they know that their live were better under Donald Trump 652 00:25:52,633 --> 00:25:56,400 and that he is about building American industry, 653 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,900 not foreign industry. 654 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,266 And they're showing up in the polls. 655 00:26:00,266 --> 00:26:02,066 I thought it was very interesting 656 00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:05,100 that 50 in the Teamsters own poll of their members, 657 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,266 59% wanted Donald Trump. 658 00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:11,166 But the union leadership didn't have the courage to 659 00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:12,033 to endorse him. 660 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,633 And I think that was a mistake on their part. 661 00:26:14,633 --> 00:26:17,100 But I think it shows tha we're winning blue collar votes. 662 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,666 We are the party of the working class now, Republican Party 663 00:26:20,666 --> 00:26:22,766 is the party of the working class. 664 00:26:22,766 --> 00:26:24,400 And we're feeling very strong 665 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,133 about where we're at with those voters. 666 00:26:26,133 --> 00:26:27,800 Mr. Roe, thank you for being on the program. 667 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,433 It's good to see you again. 668 00:26:29,433 --> 00:26:31,066 Nice to see you, too. Okay. 669 00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:35,166 So in other words, do you thin Harris is going to win, right? 670 00:26:35,166 --> 00:26:37,300 I do not. 671 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:38,666 Just just checking. 672 00:26:38,666 --> 00:26:40,366 Also, our thanks to our panel. 673 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:41,166 Next week. 674 00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:42,766 More off the record right here. 675 00:26:42,766 --> 00:26:44,833 Please join us. 676 00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:47,100 Production of Off the Record is made possible, 677 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,233 in part, by Martin Waymire, a full service 678 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,300 strategic communications agency, 679 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,633 partnering with clients through public relations, 680 00:26:54,633 --> 00:26:57,566 digital marketing and public policy engagement. 681 00:26:57,566 --> 00:27:00,766 Learn more at Martin Waymire.com 682 00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:04,766 For more off the record, visit WKAR.org 683 00:27:04,766 --> 00:27:07,133 Michigan public television stations have contributed 684 00:27:07,133 --> 00:27:09,100 to the production costs of off the record.