WEBVTT 00:05.966 --> 00:07.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% The end is in sight. 00:07.266 --> 00:10.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The OTR panel this week takes a at the last major races 00:10.533 --> 00:12.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and where they are in the polling data. 00:12.100 --> 00:15.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And lots of folks are voting in Michigan. 00:15.200 --> 00:16.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Around the OTR table. 00:16.466 --> 00:19.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Kyle Melinn, Jordan Hermani, Lauren Gibbons and Colin 00:19.500 --> 00:22.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Jackson sit in with us as we get that inside out. 00:22.833 --> 00:27.233 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Off the record 00:27.233 --> 00:29.500 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% production of Off the Record is made possible, 00:29.500 --> 00:32.666 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% in part by Martin Waymire, a full service 00:32.666 --> 00:34.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% strategic communications agency, 00:34.666 --> 00:37.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% partnering with clients through public relations, 00:37.000 --> 00:39.933 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% digital marketing and public policy engagement. 00:39.933 --> 00:43.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Learn more at Martinwaymire.com 00:43.233 --> 00:47.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And now this edition of Off the Record with Tim Skubick. 00:47.866 --> 00:48.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Thank you very much. 00:48.433 --> 00:50.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% The end is in sight. 00:50.166 --> 00:53.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I can feel it. Listen, I want you to pretend 00:53.733 --> 00:56.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you're either in the Harris camp or the Trump camp. 00:56.833 --> 00:58.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And you look at data out of Michigan 00:58.500 --> 01:01.166 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% which says so far in the early voting, 01:01.166 --> 01:05.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% 55% of the vote female 44% male. 01:05.166 --> 01:06.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% What are you thinking? 01:06.200 --> 01:07.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I mean, I think right now the numbers 01:07.566 --> 01:08.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% benefit the Harris campaign. 01:08.833 --> 01:11.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And we were talking in every Trump rally 01:11.100 --> 01:13.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I've been to, every advance rally I've been to, 01:13.466 --> 01:14.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they always rally the crowd up. 01:14.666 --> 01:16.233 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% They ask them who has voted early. 01:16.233 --> 01:18.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% You know, to borrow a point from Jordyn, 01:18.166 --> 01:19.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% this is something I've noticed as well. 01:19.366 --> 01:21.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% There's been an very concerted effort 01:21.466 --> 01:23.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% to promote different types of voting options. 01:23.533 --> 01:25.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But it feels like the supporters there in the audience 01:25.800 --> 01:27.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% are not actually embracing 01:27.500 --> 01:29.733 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% those early or absentee voting options. 01:29.733 --> 01:31.966 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% So for this many people to vote early, 01:31.966 --> 01:33.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% it does seem like it benefits Democrats, 01:33.766 --> 01:35.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% at least on the face of it. 01:35.066 --> 01:38.900 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Yeah, I know the Novi rally that Trump had very recently, 01:38.900 --> 01:42.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% he and others preceding hi and trying to fire up the crowd, 01:42.333 --> 01:43.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% kept pumping up the 01:43.600 --> 01:45.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% who here is ready, who here is excited to vote early. 01:45.833 --> 01:47.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Make sure you vote early. And you could of 01:47.966 --> 01:49.433 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% heard a pin drop in that arena. 01:49.433 --> 01:52.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% There was some muffled cheers, but it's not a good sign, 01:52.333 --> 01:57.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Those were Democrats who had infiltrated the rally. 01:57.133 --> 01:58.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% but yo hear of a high female turnout. 01:58.700 --> 02:00.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% That's obviously that' very beneficial with the gender 02:00.766 --> 02:02.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% gap, especially with Democrats 02:02.100 --> 02:03.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% trying to make abortion such an issue. 02:03.600 --> 02:05.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And sorry, I think I woul cut you off there for a second. 02:05.733 --> 02:07.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Yeah, that was the point that I was going to make. 02:07.500 --> 02:07.700 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 02:08.533 --> 02:09.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% we have been seeing in these numbers, 02:09.933 --> 02:12.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you know, there's been more men supporting Trump, more women 02:12.800 --> 02:13.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% supporting Harris. 02:13.866 --> 02:16.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So if more women are turning out to vote, 02:16.066 --> 02:19.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that would suggest that perhaps those numbers are good for 02:19.000 --> 02:20.600 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Harri You want to make it unanimous? 02:20.600 --> 02:24.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% No. I'm going to talk more about the squeezing of the balloon. 02:24.333 --> 02:25.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Like, is this just 02:25.700 --> 02:28.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% people have decided that they're changing their voting habits 02:28.766 --> 02:31.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or is this that there's actually going to be more turnout? 02:31.566 --> 02:33.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean, I don't think that you can really read 02:33.300 --> 02:35.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% too many too much into results at this point. 02:35.700 --> 02:36.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm more interested 02:36.833 --> 02:39.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% in the universe of people who are voting and 02:39.833 --> 02:43.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% are these low propensity voters that both the Republicans 02:43.533 --> 02:46.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and Democrats are going after, Are they actually showing up? 02:46.533 --> 02:49.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And will we have more people actually voting in 2020? 02:49.766 --> 02:51.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And I think the answer is going to be yes. 02:51.766 --> 02:53.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But what about the 55-44 split f 02:53.733 --> 02:55.733 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Maybe they just want to vote early. 02:55.733 --> 02:56.533 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I mean, I don't I'm 02:57.100 --> 02:59.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% not reading too much into that because maybe on Election Day 02:59.766 --> 03:02.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% it will be 55% men and 45% women. 03:02.800 --> 03:04.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% That's what I mea by the squeezing of the balloon. 03:04.466 --> 03:06.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I don't I'm not going to get worked up about that. 03:06.833 --> 03:09.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm more intereste in the fact that this election 03:09.000 --> 03:11.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% has become like this all consuming thing. 03:11.533 --> 03:13.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And it's just become amazingly exhausting. 03:13.966 --> 03:16.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I mean, I know that I'm getting a little older, 03:16.300 --> 03:19.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but this is been more exhausting than any election 03:19.800 --> 03:20.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% that I've had to cover. 03:20.933 --> 03:22.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And it's it's the rallies, it's 03:22.800 --> 03:24.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% the emails, it's the text messages. 03:24.533 --> 03:26.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% It just never seems to end. 03:26.333 --> 03:27.933 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% And for us, it's not going to end either. 03:27.933 --> 03:28.266 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean, 03:29.100 --> 03:30.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% both presidential campaigns on the final day, 03:30.300 --> 03:31.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% they're going to be right back here in Michigan. 03:31.800 --> 03:34.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Harris here on Sunday. Trump on here on Monday. 03:34.400 --> 03:36.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% We have a ton of get out the vote stuff 03:36.200 --> 03:37.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that's going on in between then. 03:37.300 --> 03:38.533 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% It is. 03:38.533 --> 03:41.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% It's just never ending for for a swing state like us. 03:41.033 --> 03:43.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I think we have seen it just up and down the ticket. 03:43.933 --> 03:44.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Everyone is just 03:45.233 --> 03:48.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% pouring money into Michigan and nationally, state level. 03:48.700 --> 03:50.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And it's not just the presidential. 03:50.700 --> 03:52.200 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% It's not just the Senate. 03:52.200 --> 03:54.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% It's all these competitive congressional races. 03:54.200 --> 03:56.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It's all these competitive state House races 03:56.366 --> 03:58.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% which are on track to be the most spending 03:58.366 --> 04:00.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that we've ever seen in state House races. 04:00.566 --> 04:02.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Those mailers that people 04:02.066 --> 04:04.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% are getting to their inbox, like even the Supreme Court, 04:04.600 --> 04:05.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% you've seen a decent 04:05.966 --> 04:06.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% chunk of change 04:07.300 --> 04:09.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% put be invested into trying to turn people out to vote, 04:09.966 --> 04:12.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% or if you have taken out an absentee ballot 04:12.633 --> 04:14.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% or you're planning to vote early, 04:14.333 --> 04:17.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% then there's 15 mailers a da telling you to turn your ballot 04:17.366 --> 04:18.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in or vote early now. 04:18.700 --> 04:22.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% So it's it is aggressiv at this point for every voter. 04:22.700 --> 04:24.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I do want to touch upon something Kyle said early. 04:24.633 --> 04:25.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, maybe the Election Day 04:25.600 --> 04:26.733 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% turnout is a little bit different. 04:26.733 --> 04:27.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% So maybe to be 04:28.133 --> 04:30.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it may be too soon to look into these early voting numbers. 04:30.700 --> 04:32.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But if you look at the speeches, 04:32.866 --> 04:34.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Republican Congressman John James has given us 04:34.800 --> 04:36.566 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% some of these Trump rallies where he's encouraged. 04:36.566 --> 04:38.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He always uses a Lions metaphor. 04:38.633 --> 04:39.933 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, you don't let the other team 04:39.933 --> 04:41.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% run up the score three quarters of the game 04:41.600 --> 04:42.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% in the fourth quarter. 04:42.733 --> 04:43.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% All of a sudden now try to score the points 04:43.966 --> 04:45.766 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% and wonder what happened the next day. 04:45.766 --> 04:47.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So you got to wonder like, 04:47.333 --> 04:48.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% what's going to happen on Election Day? 04:48.600 --> 04:48.933 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% You know, you 04:49.633 --> 04:50.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% hope people can vote and you hope people 04:50.900 --> 04:52.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% can turn out to the polls, but things always happen. 04:52.800 --> 04:56.166 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Babie get sick, cars get flat tires. 04:56.166 --> 04:57.633 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Well, at this point to its forecast 04:57.633 --> 04:59.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% that it's probabl going to rain on Election Day, 04:59.366 --> 05:01.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% which does not bode well for I mean, 05:01.400 --> 05:03.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you think. Nobody wants to go out in the rain. 05:03.066 --> 05:06.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Well, historically, too, I mean, obviously with 2020 05:06.033 --> 05:08.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% being a bit of an outlier because of COVID, 05:08.233 --> 05:10.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% traditionally Democrats vote absentee 05:10.566 --> 05:13.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% or are more inclined to vote absentee 05:13.166 --> 05:15.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and Republicans are more inclined to vote day of. 05:15.233 --> 05:17.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And that's not good news for the Trump campaign. 05:17.366 --> 05:20.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% If that rain persists. Th numbers coming out of Detroit, 05:20.033 --> 05:22.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% the prediction that 53% turnout would beat 05:22.933 --> 05:26.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% what Biden did in 2020, He got 51%. 05:26.233 --> 05:29.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And there was a major problem in 2016 with Mrs. 05:29.200 --> 05:30.733 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Clinton. She got 49. 05:30.733 --> 05:33.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% The numbers out of Detroit, a good vibe for the D's. 05:33.533 --> 05:35.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Well, historically, you would say yes. 05:35.300 --> 05:37.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But I would also sa that the Trump campaign has done 05:37.833 --> 05:38.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% a good job 05:39.133 --> 05:42.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in turning over African-American males into their camp. 05:42.266 --> 05:45.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% The numbers just seem to be on the incline on that. 05:45.500 --> 05:47.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So historically, that would be. Yes. 05:47.633 --> 05:49.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But it could also be a harbinger of what we're going 05:49.933 --> 05:53.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to see across the state as well with people voting early. 05:53.633 --> 05:54.133 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 05:54.633 --> 05:55.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the whole early voting thing has become 05:55.900 --> 05:58.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% a bit of an experiment for us. 05:58.000 --> 06:00.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% This is the first big election where we've had this 06:00.800 --> 06:02.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and we've already saw at least one hiccup 06:02.866 --> 06:05.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the University of Michigan where we had a Chinese national 06:05.900 --> 06:08.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% go in, somehow get a ballot vote, 06:08.800 --> 06:10.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% His vote is counted. 06:10.266 --> 06:12.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And then he came back and they were like, 06:12.100 --> 06:13.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% you know what, You shouldn't have voted. 06:13.700 --> 06:16.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Like, how many people are like that out there? 06:16.300 --> 06:19.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I think once all the hubbub, who wins and loses 06:19.100 --> 06:21.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and so forth is all said and done, 06:21.166 --> 06:24.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the Republicans are going to be bringing this up time 06:24.233 --> 06:26.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and time again and saying, 06:26.000 --> 06:26.266 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, 06:26.566 --> 06:26.966 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% we got some holes 06:27.500 --> 06:28.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% in our election system here, that 06:28.600 --> 06:30.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% because we've made this so accessible, 06:30.733 --> 06:32.833 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% it's become maybe too accessible. 06:32.833 --> 06:36.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You can see why over the years in this town, Republicans 06:36.166 --> 06:39.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% in the legislature have opposed election reforms 06:39.466 --> 06:42.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because now it now the Democrats have been fighting for, 06:42.666 --> 06:43.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% especially on absentee ballot. 06:43.933 --> 06:46.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I can remembe we had every secretary of state 06:46.800 --> 06:48.400 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% going back to Richard Austin, 06:48.400 --> 06:51.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% including Republicans, Candice Miller and Terri Lynn Land, 06:51.433 --> 06:54.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% who said we need absentee voting, voting, 06:54.233 --> 06:56.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and all the Republicans in the legislature 06:56.033 --> 06:58.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% would always laugh when they showed up and said, 06:58.033 --> 06:59.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% we're not going to do that. 06:59.066 --> 07:00.966 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% That' going to kill us. This absentee 07:00.966 --> 07:03.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% vote becomes a critical part of this election. 07:03.700 --> 07:04.500 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Yeah, certainly. 07:04.900 --> 07:07.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And I think, you know, from a clerk perspective, 07:07.033 --> 07:07.233 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, 07:08.166 --> 07:09.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% having the absentee ballots, you know, does 07:09.400 --> 07:11.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% take off some of the deluge of Election Day. 07:11.700 --> 07:15.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I recall when early voting was being discussed 07:15.066 --> 07:18.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and on the ballot initially that was where the major concern 07:18.600 --> 07:20.433 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% was, that for local election officials, 07:20.433 --> 07:24.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because it is just really hard to staff for that many days. 07:24.366 --> 07:26.166 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% It's hard to bring those people in. 07:26.166 --> 07:29.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% That said, on Election Day those votes do get tabulated it 07:29.633 --> 07:30.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% very quickly. 07:30.733 --> 07:32.466 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% You just press a button, it's already done. 07:32.466 --> 07:34.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% You just count them on Election day. 07:34.566 --> 07:37.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So we have seen that absentee 07:37.566 --> 07:38.266 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% voting is 07:38.266 --> 07:39.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% just a hugely popular option 07:39.733 --> 07:41.866 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% ever since that became no reason absentee. 07:41.866 --> 07:44.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I would expect that that continues. 07:44.200 --> 07:45.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% We'll see that continue. 07:45.566 --> 07:47.500 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Earl voting is kind of that wild card 07:47.500 --> 07:48.900 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that we still have to see. 07:48.900 --> 07:51.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, just how many voter take advantage of that option. 07:51.166 --> 07:53.333 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Oh, we had 2.4 million on Thursday 07:53.333 --> 07:54.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% going into this Friday taping. 07:54.833 --> 07:55.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% So it'll be interesting. 07:55.700 --> 07:57.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But it looks like Pennsylvania 07:57.233 --> 07:59.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% is going to keep us awake at night. Oh, yeah. 07:59.766 --> 08:03.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Something about them needing four days to finish tallying 08:03.400 --> 08:04.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% all the votes. That what the secretary of state said on 08:04.800 --> 08:06.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% 60 Minutes too. To that point. 08:06.833 --> 08:10.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, I think you brought it up earlier where, 08:10.000 --> 08:12.266 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% you know, we we by and large in 2020 08:12.266 --> 08:13.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% knew even with Pennsylvania 08:13.466 --> 08:15.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% being the last state to count all of their votes, 08:15.200 --> 08:17.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% we by and large knew that Biden won the election. 08:17.166 --> 08:18.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% So am I at all concerned 08:18.866 --> 08:20.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that it's going to take them that long? 08:20.166 --> 08:23.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% No, I'd much rather be thorough and accurate than fast 08:23.666 --> 08:24.400 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% and wrong, 08:25.066 --> 08:27.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% God forbid, especially with past precedent being what it is. 08:27.900 --> 08:31.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% So you know, i stands to reason, though, that 08:31.600 --> 08:34.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% it does open up an avenu for certain people to say, well, 08:34.966 --> 08:38.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% why is it taking so long whil why and further misinformation 08:38.200 --> 08:40.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% or distrust in the election system could be sown. 08:40.500 --> 08:42.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the slower it goes The antsier people get. 08:42.766 --> 08:45.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We saw that in Michigan in 2020 in a big way. 08:45.433 --> 08:47.533 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% It's like, why is this not getting counted faster? 08:47.533 --> 08:49.133 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% You can say every reason you want. 08:49.133 --> 08:50.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% People want to see results quickly. 08:50.866 --> 08:51.466 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Well, the Trump 08:52.066 --> 08:54.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% campaign has laid the foundation and it is firm. 08:54.466 --> 08:55.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% It's not ashphalt. 08:55.566 --> 08:58.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% It is cemen that they've got a vehicle to go 08:58.633 --> 09:01.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% into Pennsylvania and question the outcome of the election. 09:01.900 --> 09:02.200 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Yeah. 09:03.033 --> 09:04.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then we also got to look in our own state, 09:04.300 --> 09:07.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% the city of Warren, where the clerk in Warren has said 09:07.600 --> 09:09.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% we're not going to take advantage of the law 09:09.400 --> 09:12.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that allows us to pre process our absentee ballots. 09:12.133 --> 09:13.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And, you know, as you've been reading 09:13.733 --> 09:15.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% off the stats and what I'm thinking is, 09:15.633 --> 09:17.300 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% all right how long will it take to count? 09:17.300 --> 09:20.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, in Pennsylvania, they said it's going to take four days. 09:20.466 --> 09:21.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Where as the clerk, 09:21.600 --> 09:23.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The clerk in Warren says, oh, we can pound it 09:23.233 --> 09:25.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% out in the night. You know, everything's fine. 09:25.066 --> 09:27.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We've got a well-oiled machine here. Well, which is it? 09:27.333 --> 09:28.066 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 09:28.633 --> 09:30.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is Warren got to figured out and the state of Pennsylvania 09:30.633 --> 09:31.533 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% has not. 09:31.733 --> 09:33.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% So I'm going to be keeping an eye on that. 09:33.566 --> 09:33.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% What are the 09:34.800 --> 09:37.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% chances of a disturbance either during the election 09:37.700 --> 09:39.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% or after the election? What's that? 09:39.300 --> 09:41.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Wouldn't the tea leaves point to 09:41.333 --> 09:46.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, I'm always an optimist, so I really want to hope that 09:46.300 --> 09:47.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I appreciate optimism. 09:47.600 --> 09:47.866 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Yeah. 09:48.666 --> 09:49.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I mean, a disturbance after the election, 09:50.000 --> 09:52.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, we will always wonder, you know, on election night, 09:52.666 --> 09:54.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, even if the race does get 09:54.100 --> 09:54.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% called, you know, 09:55.366 --> 09:57.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% unless it's very, very close, I can imagine, you know, 09:57.300 --> 09:59.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% we are going to see these rumblings. 09:59.200 --> 10:01.000 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% We've seen that messaging coming, 10:01.000 --> 10:04.200 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% especially from the Trum campaign about falsely claiming, 10:04.200 --> 10:06.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% you know, Democrats want to cheat and everything else. 10:06.100 --> 10:08.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% We've seen that rhetoric. That's nothing new. 10:08.166 --> 10:11.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And whatever comes of that, you know, remains to be seen. 10:11.333 --> 10:13.200 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% What gives me a little bit of optimism is 10:13.200 --> 10:15.700 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% I have seen you know, some of these pushes, 10:15.700 --> 10:17.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% especially within conservative circles, 10:17.366 --> 10:19.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% to try to train people about the process. 10:19.766 --> 10:22.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So you don't se repeats of what happened in 2020 10:22.066 --> 10:23.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% where people are causing disturbances 10:23.566 --> 10:25.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% while trying to watch absentee balloting end up 10:25.966 --> 10:28.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% being removed from the center or something like that. 10:28.033 --> 10:30.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So I think that hopefully, at least with people 10:30.466 --> 10:32.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% understanding the process a little bit more, even if 10:32.366 --> 10:33.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% they don't like it 10:33.366 --> 10:35.900 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% that we'll see a few less disturbances 10:35.900 --> 10:36.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and that will help hopefully 10:37.066 --> 10:40.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% cut down on some of these this immediate chaos. 10:40.666 --> 10:45.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% There is a publication calle SITE which monitors the chatter 10:45.000 --> 10:48.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and the woman that runs that speaking for herself, 10:48.233 --> 10:51.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% not for the organization, said the chatter is louder 10:51.433 --> 10:53.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and it's more organized. 10:53.033 --> 10:55.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And she would not be surprised if there were problems 10:55.600 --> 10:58.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to try to intimidate immigrants who were trying to vote 10:58.500 --> 11:00.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% during the election and stuff afterwards. 11:00.866 --> 11:03.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What are you all hearing? Well, I haven't heard that. 11:03.600 --> 11:04.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I mean, that's interesting. 11:05.000 --> 11:08.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But to to Collins point, though, I am concerned about people 11:08.233 --> 11:09.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% thinking they're election experts 11:09.600 --> 11:11.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because they stay in a Holiday Inn Express. 11:11.866 --> 11:12.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 11:13.066 --> 11:14.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% everybody think they know everything these days 11:14.700 --> 11:16.100 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% because they got a Twitter account 11:16.100 --> 11:18.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and they can pop off on social media. 11:18.266 --> 11:20.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% But you really know how an election works? 11:20.366 --> 11:23.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You actually know how hard it is to cheat? 11:23.200 --> 11:26.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know how hard it is to go and she cheating 11:26.366 --> 11:27.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and it doesn't matter, does it? 11:27.566 --> 11:29.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% It doesn't matter because everyone's an expert. 11:29.466 --> 11:31.000 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% And so they can get these numbers 11:31.000 --> 11:33.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and they can say anything they want and get excited. 11:33.500 --> 11:37.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And we saw that in 2020 and we're four years removed. 11:37.266 --> 11:39.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And I'm glad. Collins an optimist. 11:39.166 --> 11:40.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm not an optimist. 11:40.233 --> 11:41.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I think we've just got more people 11:41.700 --> 11:43.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% who think they know what they're talking about. 11:43.433 --> 11:45.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% We've even got a state rep who's saying, 11:45.566 --> 11:48.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% hey, there' more people who have voted than, 11:48.533 --> 11:50.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% you know, people who are on the rolls. 11:50.700 --> 11:51.733 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% It's unbelievable. 11:51.733 --> 11:52.466 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Yeah, okay. 11:52.466 --> 11:53.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We'll do something about it. 11:53.966 --> 11:56.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If you're a state rep and you're so passionate about it. 11:56.300 --> 11:59.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% But I mean, so this is just an example. 11:59.133 --> 12:01.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I mean, this is somebody who's an official 12:01.033 --> 12:04.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% who is saying that I think it's just going to get worse. 12:04.766 --> 12:05.733 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean, 12:06.166 --> 12:10.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the idea that everybody nowadays has the ability to say that 12:10.066 --> 12:11.133 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% their elections experts, 12:11.133 --> 12:12.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% because they did a little bit of training, 12:12.900 --> 12:14.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% whether that's going to be a good or a bad thing. 12:14.866 --> 12:17.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% At the end of the day, I have no idea. 12:17.166 --> 12:18.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% We've seen, like you just pointed out, 12:18.900 --> 12:21.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% people getting on their pulpits and saying that they know 12:21.200 --> 12:23.033 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% X and Y and Z about the election system 12:23.033 --> 12:25.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% despite the fact that they jus started looking into elections 12:25.166 --> 12:26.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% probably within like the last four years. 12:26.933 --> 12:30.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% At the same time, I am hoping though, that efforts to try and 12:30.500 --> 12:34.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% educate broader swaths of thi I mean, not just Michiganders, 12:34.700 --> 12:35.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% but Americans. 12:35.700 --> 12:36.900 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, when we were talking about 12:36.900 --> 12:40.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% the TCF, the ballot dump that occurred late night 12:40.000 --> 12:41.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% while we 12:41.366 --> 12:43.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% being in the election sphere that was not surprising to us. 12:43.700 --> 12:44.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Of course, absentee ballots 12:44.966 --> 12:47.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% are going to continu to come in throughout the night. 12:47.000 --> 12:49.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That was not any cause for alarm for us, 12:49.700 --> 12:52.766 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% nor was the photos that you would see of wagons, 12:52.766 --> 12:56.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% which turned out to be a TV crew hauling in their cameras. 12:56.100 --> 13:00.200 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% So, you know we now know we're more educated, 13:00.200 --> 13:02.366 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I would argue, as a country about 13:02.366 --> 13:05.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or I would hope more educate as a country about sort of the 13:05.800 --> 13:10.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% general election processes that things won't be as picked 13:10.366 --> 13:13.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% apart as they were in 2020 or that the ability to cast out 13:13.466 --> 13:16.066 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% is a little harder. 13:16.066 --> 13:18.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm also not going to get ahead of my skis, though. 13:18.366 --> 13:20.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think one interesting point to note as well, 13:20.933 --> 13:24.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% our election system i not the same as it was in 2020. 13:24.233 --> 13:27.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% There were additional pieces of legislation passed 13:27.800 --> 13:31.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that were intended to respond to some of these concerns. 13:31.733 --> 13:34.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Now, whether this will be a stopgap, 13:34.700 --> 13:36.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% that remains to be seen. 13:36.033 --> 13:40.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% But Democrats in particular were really trying to make it 13:40.166 --> 13:43.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% so there wasn't this this tempest 13:43.833 --> 13:45.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% or this option for people, 13:45.600 --> 13:48.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% especially with the reforms to the board of canvassers 13:48.833 --> 13:52.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and election certification and even adding in 13:52.533 --> 13:55.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% some additional election securities 13:55.066 --> 13:57.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% around drop boxes or those kinds of things. 13:57.033 --> 14:00.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So it hasn't remained stagnant, which is also interesting. 14:00.833 --> 14:04.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% That said, we're still, you know, 14:04.266 --> 14:07.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the litigation from the results of the 2020 election 14:07.533 --> 14:10.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and the response to it is still ongoing 14:10.433 --> 14:13.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% as voters are casting their ballots for an election 14:13.600 --> 14:14.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% four years later. 14:14.566 --> 14:16.666 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So it's not over. 14:16.666 --> 14:19.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But what happened in the U.P. 14:19.100 --> 14:19.466 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% while 14:19.866 --> 14:23.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% up there we had a clerk in Red 14:23.333 --> 14:24.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Rock River Township. 14:24.433 --> 14:25.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I keep messing around with the 14:25.866 --> 14:29.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Rock River Township, but so he and his deputy 14:29.933 --> 14:30.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% clerk had announced 14:31.200 --> 14:33.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that they or had indicated to the secretary of State 14:33.533 --> 14:37.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that they had plans to hand count their ballots prior 14:37.433 --> 14:39.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to a county canvass. 14:39.000 --> 14:42.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% The Secretary of State vis a vis Elections 14:42.066 --> 14:44.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Director Jonathan Broder said, You can't do that. 14:44.333 --> 14:45.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% That's against state election law. 14:45.766 --> 14:47.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% We have processes laid out 14:47.366 --> 14:48.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and because of that, 14:48.500 --> 14:49.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% they were removed from their rolls 14:49.733 --> 14:53.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and they were replaced by other area clerks. 14:53.333 --> 14:54.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I believe a county treasurer 14:54.966 --> 14:57.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% excuse me, a township treasurer. 14:57.300 --> 15:00.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So to that point, I've already seen people 15:00.600 --> 15:03.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% question, you know, oh, well is this election interference? 15:03.700 --> 15:07.066 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% And any, any move left, right, center 15:07.066 --> 15:10.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% regardless is going to be hyper scrutinized these coming days 15:11.066 --> 15:12.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because everybody constantly 15:12.600 --> 15:15.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% feels like the other side, quote unquote, is out to get them. 15:15.833 --> 15:19.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% But in this case this was just general election 15:19.266 --> 15:20.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% law needing to be followed. 15:20.733 --> 15:24.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And nobody besides the clerk and the deputy clerk had 15:24.566 --> 15:26.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% come to this conclusion that a hand count was needed. 15:26.766 --> 15:28.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% So in the end, they were ultimately removed. 15:28.600 --> 15:31.100 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% There's an old saying Don't confuse me with the facts. 15:31.100 --> 15:34.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% My mind is made up. 15:34.233 --> 15:36.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Just on that point, though, it feels like 15:36.133 --> 15:37.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and to what Lauren said earlier 15:37.566 --> 15:40.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% about Michigan's election laws changing, you know, 15:40.100 --> 15:42.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% it seems like the election misinformation at this point 15:42.833 --> 15:44.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% has been brought up in an election, integrity 15:44.700 --> 15:46.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% or not, election integrity circles 15:46.066 --> 15:49.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% by the circles trying to fight this election, disinformation 15:49.933 --> 15:50.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% where it feels like 15:50.633 --> 15:52.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% there's been asymmetrical 15:52.366 --> 15:56.466 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% warfare going on almost, where the conspiracy theories 15:56.466 --> 15:58.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% have been allowed to run rampant. 15:58.000 --> 16:00.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then people that were just running elections, election 16:00.633 --> 16:01.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% administrators and everything, 16:01.633 --> 16:03.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% they're kind of caught flat footed. 16:03.233 --> 16:04.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So, yes, we've seen, you know, these 16:04.900 --> 16:07.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% for the past four years, the conspiracy 16:07.433 --> 16:08.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% theories, election deniers, etc.. 16:08.933 --> 16:10.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% They've had more time to organize 16:10.333 --> 16:12.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and make themselves feel like experts. 16:12.600 --> 16:16.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But at the same time, we've see election officials and clerics 16:16.266 --> 16:19.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and the people that ru these things also have more time 16:19.566 --> 16:21.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to try to fight misinformation and be more geared up 16:21.966 --> 16:24.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and be more prepared for some of this backlash. 16:24.100 --> 16:25.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, when you were talking about people's 16:25.633 --> 16:27.200 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% minds made up, it made me think of this 16:27.200 --> 16:29.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% polling that we just did with Mitchell. 16:29.266 --> 16:33.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% 72% of the people we polled said that their mind had been made 16:33.433 --> 16:36.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% up long ago, that this decision was very easy for them 16:37.200 --> 16:40.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and only 20% said they actually had to give it some thought 16:40.766 --> 16:43.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and looked at both sides before casting their ballot. 16:43.233 --> 16:46.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% People's minds were made up a long, long time ago on this 16:46.066 --> 16:46.833 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Bernie Porn 16:47.200 --> 16:49.666 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% In his surve found that we have no undecided 16:49.666 --> 16:52.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% voters left in Michigan, 16:52.300 --> 16:54.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Mitchell said 1%. 16:54.133 --> 16:54.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right. 16:55.166 --> 16:57.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, we've been arguing over 1%. Okay. 16:57.133 --> 16:59.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So his point is this. 16:59.466 --> 17:02.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% He thinks that the Kennedy factor and Mr. 17:02.266 --> 17:03.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Kennedy got 5% of the poll 17:03.866 --> 17:05.566 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% could determine the winner in Michigan. 17:05.566 --> 17:07.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Interesting angle on the story. 17:07.000 --> 17:09.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Any takers on that one? Yes, I think they could. 17:09.866 --> 17:10.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% People who are going to vote 17:10.900 --> 17:14.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for John F or Robert F Kennedy anyway. 17:14.133 --> 17:17.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Well, or are confused like his name is on the ballot. 17:17.733 --> 17:19.433 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And even though he said I'm not a candidate, 17:19.433 --> 17:21.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% how many people heard that on the evening news? 17:21.733 --> 17:23.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And why do you think that he tried 17:23.100 --> 17:26.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% to push so hard to fight to get his name removed 17:26.100 --> 17:27.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% once he dropped out of the race 17:27.566 --> 17:29.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and threw his support behind Trump? 17:29.200 --> 17:29.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I think they're well 17:30.300 --> 17:31.666 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% aware of the fact that the longer his name 17:31.666 --> 17:32.666 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% or at this point 17:33.000 --> 17:34.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% his name is not getting off the ballot, there is no way 17:34.800 --> 17:37.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% there's even the 2%. Yeah, right. 17:37.066 --> 17:39.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Two point something million people have already voted. 17:39.500 --> 17:40.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He's not getting off the ballot. 17:40.633 --> 17:42.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And yeah, that should be a cause of concern 17:42.366 --> 17:44.366 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% for the Trump campaign in a state where, 17:44.366 --> 17:46.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% like you said, 5% of the voters earlier, 17:46.933 --> 17:50.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% even if it's not five, if it's 3% in a close race, 17:50.300 --> 17:52.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that that is the deciding factor could balance out. 17:52.933 --> 17:55.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Jill Stein, though, you mean to be fair, about one or two. 17:55.633 --> 17:57.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% So the D's are not home free either. 17:57.366 --> 17:59.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% They could cross each other out. 17:59.433 --> 18:01.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, we do got a libertarian who hasn't run 18:01.100 --> 18:04.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% in as strong of a campaign as in the past either. 18:04.633 --> 18:08.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So I don't know if that third party will make a difference. 18:08.033 --> 18:08.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% I think it will. 18:09.333 --> 18:12.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I think about undecide voters, though, at this point. 18:12.766 --> 18:14.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% What's left to decide? 18:14.033 --> 18:16.300 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% The candidates have been in Michigan. 18:16.300 --> 18:18.566 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know they're basically living here. 18:18.566 --> 18:21.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% They were very familiar with most of their policies. 18:21.966 --> 18:22.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% They've debated. 18:23.100 --> 18:25.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% They they are sending mailers left and right. 18:25.400 --> 18:27.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% There's very little left to decide at this point 18:27.333 --> 18:29.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and who decides to come out and vote. 18:29.633 --> 18:32.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% They support in some of those folks simply will say, 18:32.466 --> 18:34.666 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% forget it, I'm not going to vote. 18:34.666 --> 18:35.366 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Yeah, yeah. 18:35.366 --> 18:38.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Certainly. US Senate race. 18:38.033 --> 18:39.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Yes, the US Senate race. 18:39.533 --> 18:42.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, right now you're seein both sides project confidence. 18:42.433 --> 18:42.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 18:43.466 --> 18:43.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you're hearing from the Rogers campaign 18:44.500 --> 18:45.266 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that their internal polling has them up. 18:45.533 --> 18:46.666 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% You're getting from the second campaign 18:46.666 --> 18:49.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that they also feel confident in this race. 18:49.266 --> 18:52.233 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I've seen the ads recently you know, where Slotkin's making 18:52.233 --> 18:54.066 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% her, quot unquote, are not quote unquote. 18:54.066 --> 18:57.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% But to paraphrase her fina argument in this race, you know, 18:57.866 --> 19:02.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it seems like both campaigns really are trying to push 19:02.800 --> 19:03.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% their own. 19:03.866 --> 19:06.966 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Well, I mean, to rephrase it 19:06.966 --> 19:07.333 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I think 19:07.966 --> 19:09.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% it's a very cliche to say, you know, 19:09.333 --> 19:11.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% both campaigns are pushin their own vision for the future. 19:11.066 --> 19:11.333 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Right. 19:12.500 --> 19:14.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I've been seeing a lot of Roger ads where he's pushing culture 19:14.566 --> 19:15.100 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% war issues. 19:15.100 --> 19:15.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% You know, I think 19:15.900 --> 19:17.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% transgender athletes in sports, 19:17.733 --> 19:19.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% you know, even though that's a relatively small 19:19.800 --> 19:20.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% part of the percentage. 19:20.666 --> 19:21.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Meanwhile, 19:21.933 --> 19:23.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Slotkin, she's kind of relying on the same message 19:23.933 --> 19:25.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% she's used throughout her whole career, 19:25.566 --> 19:29.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% trying to message to the middle, talking about not playing up 19:29.300 --> 19:31.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% her national security record or playing 19:31.266 --> 19:33.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% trying to help her mom with health care 19:33.400 --> 19:35.233 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% in the final days of her mom's life, etc., 19:35.233 --> 19:37.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% She came back to that spot 19:37.000 --> 19:38.300 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% at the end is in that interesting? 19:38.300 --> 19:39.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% It's been interesting 19:39.533 --> 19:42.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% watching sort of the evolution of their advertising, 19:42.000 --> 19:44.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% especially because, you know, back 19:44.333 --> 19:46.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% a couple of months ago even a couple of weeks ago even, 19:46.766 --> 19:49.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% you'd see Rogers constantly trying to hit Slotkin on 19:49.733 --> 19:52.900 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% EVs, on China, on the fact that, 19:52.900 --> 19:57.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% oh, she's a farmer, but, you know, is she really? 19:57.166 --> 19:59.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And then now recentl coming back home to this culture 19:59.566 --> 20:03.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% war issue of transgender athletes, it to me 20:03.633 --> 20:06.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that seems like a candidate who's nervous. 20:06.166 --> 20:07.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I don't look we passed precedent 20:07.766 --> 20:10.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in Michigan suggests that those culture war niche 20:10.833 --> 20:13.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% issues are not well accepted by the broader electorate. 20:13.733 --> 20:15.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean, we saw in '22 20:15.666 --> 20:18.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% gubernatorial candidat Tudor Dixon try and run on that, 20:18.500 --> 20:22.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% protecting girls sports and she lost by double digits 20:22.133 --> 20:23.133 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% percentage points. 20:23.133 --> 20:24.333 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% The people that are going to vote on 20:24.333 --> 20:26.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that are already in the fold. And that's the thing. 20:26.500 --> 20:28.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% So who is this message speaking to? 20:28.233 --> 20:31.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Because it's turning off your more centrist voters 20:31.333 --> 20:33.466 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% who might say why does this affect me at all? 20:33.466 --> 20:34.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I don't care about this. 20:34.800 --> 20:37.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% It's just the US Senate boys and girls. Right? 20:37.633 --> 20:40.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I was just going to say that's my last point, too. 20:40.466 --> 20:41.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I mean, the polling that the Rogers 20:41.800 --> 20:43.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% campaign has touted, where they're out ahead, 20:43.233 --> 20:44.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% this is also the only poll I believe 20:44.866 --> 20:49.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I've seen in recent week at least, that has put him ahead 20:49.433 --> 20:52.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and usually Slotkin is coming out on top. 20:52.000 --> 20:54.233 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So even more than that was our poll. 20:54.233 --> 20:55.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know what struck two points. 20:55.900 --> 20:57.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% You were struck there. 20:57.233 --> 20:59.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Yeah, margin of error still within the margin of error. 20:59.400 --> 21:02.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But you know what I found mor interesting than Roger's up two 21:02.400 --> 21:05.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is that he's tracking with Trump for the first time. 21:05.466 --> 21:08.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% This is a poll that showed him tracking with Donald Trump 21:08.433 --> 21:11.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% because in prior polls he was running 3 to 5 21:11.133 --> 21:12.233 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% percentage points back. 21:12.233 --> 21:12.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Now, Mitchell 21:13.400 --> 21:16.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% did the first sample on a monday, did 500 results, 21:16.633 --> 21:19.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and he he looked at that and he's like, 21:19.066 --> 21:20.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Roger's is tracking with Trump finally. 21:20.800 --> 21:23.533 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And he was so concerned about it. He did it again. 21:23.533 --> 21:25.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% He did another 500 and it showed that. 21:25.566 --> 21:27.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So I think that's the more interesting thing 21:27.600 --> 21:30.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that maybe Trump and Roger's fortunes are more aligned 21:30.433 --> 21:31.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% than we thought. 21:31.766 --> 21:34.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, I had an original thought I think the other night. 21:34.000 --> 21:36.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% If if, if, if Mr. 21:36.066 --> 21:39.000 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Roger had not hooked his wagon to Mr. 21:39.000 --> 21:42.000 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Trump, would this race be closer? 21:42.200 --> 21:43.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I don't think you would have made it to the primary. 21:43.866 --> 21:45.600 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Yeah I think that's the bigger thing. 21:45.600 --> 21:46.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He had to get over that hurdle. 21:46.900 --> 21:49.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% There is a huge secto of the Republican Party where, 21:49.966 --> 21:51.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% if you remember to Trump 21:51.266 --> 21:53.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% even a couple of years ago was bashing Rogers 21:53.600 --> 21:56.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for for being a RINO, for not sticking up for him. 21:56.666 --> 21:59.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And now he needs his support because Trump is effectively 21:59.933 --> 22:01.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% a kingmaker in the Republican Party. 22:01.866 --> 22:04.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, hypothetically, mayb maybe it would have been closer. 22:04.833 --> 22:06.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% But he needed to do that. 22:06.300 --> 22:09.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% He needed to do that to get the base Republican support. 22:09.200 --> 22:10.066 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And fundamentally, 22:10.066 --> 22:10.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% I do think 22:11.533 --> 22:13.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% this race ultimately comes dow to how the top candidates play. 22:13.933 --> 22:15.333 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% It's a statewide race. 22:15.333 --> 22:15.800 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 22:16.600 --> 22:18.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% while we have seen some polling that suggests Slotkin 22:18.766 --> 22:22.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% has pulled a little higher than the presidency, 22:22.600 --> 22:24.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I ultimately think, you know, 22:24.833 --> 22:27.600 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% who who wins Michigan will very likely 22:27.600 --> 22:28.966 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% determine the Senate race as well. 22:28.966 --> 22:31.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But we've got pretty tribalized too, I mean, 22:31.333 --> 22:32.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% tribalized as a country. 22:32.566 --> 22:35.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And so it's hard to separate yourself 22:35.433 --> 22:37.633 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% as a Republican from Donald Trump. 22:37.633 --> 22:39.033 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% And likewise. 22:39.033 --> 22:41.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Yeah, but you see littl he took the Trump endorsement. 22:41.900 --> 22:44.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% What if he started to walk that back as we thought? 22:44.833 --> 22:49.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Is that's an option to get int the into the general election? 22:49.000 --> 22:51.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% You know, Rogers ha when he was in the legislature, 22:51.800 --> 22:54.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% this guy was not a you know, a bomb thrower. 22:54.566 --> 22:58.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He knew how to work with other sides and kind of congenial. 22:58.100 --> 22:59.800 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% You wouldn't call him a super moderate, 22:59.800 --> 23:02.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but he certainly wasn't a far right moderate. 23:02.766 --> 23:05.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Maybe the original thought I just shouldn't have had it. 23:05.066 --> 23:06.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But I guess, like at this point, 23:06.566 --> 23:09.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I'm just separating yourself from Trump at this point 23:09.333 --> 23:11.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% with with Trump having this much popularity 23:11.966 --> 23:14.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% within what's left of the Republican Party, 23:14.100 --> 23:15.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think it's hard to do that sprint to the center 23:15.900 --> 23:18.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that you've seen traditionally in past elections. 23:18.033 --> 23:20.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% All right. House elections down the road. 23:20.366 --> 23:22.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% How does he see House? 23:22.066 --> 23:23.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I think, you know, 23:23.200 --> 23:25.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I started believing at the very beginning 23:25.300 --> 23:27.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% when Biden was the presumptive nominee, 23:27.500 --> 23:29.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that the Republicans would take majority. 23:29.566 --> 23:32.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Then Harris came in, injected some new enthusiasm. 23:32.033 --> 23:33.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I walked that back. 23:33.700 --> 23:36.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% But now I'm more in line to think that Republicans 23:36.833 --> 23:38.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% will probably take majority. 23:38.500 --> 23:40.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% The juice wasn't there on. 23:40.466 --> 23:43.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think Kamala Harris's momentum didn't crest over 23:43.933 --> 23:45.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% 50% for a long period of time. 23:45.833 --> 23:49.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And you got to remember tha the seats that the Democrats won 23:49.266 --> 23:52.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in 2022 was because abortion was on the ballot. 23:52.233 --> 23:55.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And Gretchen Whitmer blew out Tudor Dixon by ten points. 23:55.066 --> 23:57.133 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And both of those factors aren't in this one. 23:57.133 --> 23:58.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But if you talk to Rick Snyder, 23:58.600 --> 24:01.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% he is just madder than a wet hen. No, he doesn't get mad. 24:01.233 --> 24:03.433 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I scratch that. He doesn't. 24:03.433 --> 24:04.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm sorry, Governor. 24:04.966 --> 24:07.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% He was concerned tha the Democrats are still playing 24:07.800 --> 24:10.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% the abortion issue in local House races. 24:10.133 --> 24:12.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And his argument is this issue has been settled. 24:12.866 --> 24:14.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% But, Governor, with all due respect, 24:14.833 --> 24:17.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% the Democrats say, no, it's not been settled. Right. 24:17.300 --> 24:21.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And that has been a huge theme, constantly hammering 24:21.300 --> 24:23.033 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Republican candidates on abortion 24:23.033 --> 24:24.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and all of these competitive races 24:24.633 --> 24:26.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% they wouldn't be doing if it wasn't working. 24:26.633 --> 24:27.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Yes, certainly it's it's 24:27.966 --> 24:31.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% still such an issue of concern at the national level. 24:31.733 --> 24:35.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So even though the argument has been 24:35.233 --> 24:37.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% from the conservative side that it's been decided 24:37.500 --> 24:39.400 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% in Michigan, that the people voted, 24:39.400 --> 24:41.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% the people voted, the people have decided. 24:41.700 --> 24:44.600 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% But Democrats make a compelling case 24:44.600 --> 24:47.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that, you know, if the pendulum were to swing the other way, 24:47.800 --> 24:50.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% that Republicans who have long said 24:50.266 --> 24:53.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that they were anti-abortion would probably look to restrict 24:53.700 --> 24:54.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% some of those rights. 24:55.066 --> 24:57.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I think you're still hearing that from a lot of Democrats 24:57.400 --> 25:00.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% in terms of, you know, who it's all such a toss up. 25:00.566 --> 25:02.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Right. But it comes back. 25:02.033 --> 25:03.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I keep looking back to those numbers. 25:03.866 --> 25:04.833 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% In 2022, 25:05.266 --> 25:08.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% when Whitmer was ahead by tha much, it was still that close. 25:08.700 --> 25:12.333 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And if Trump does well in a lot of these areas, 25:12.333 --> 25:15.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% like downriver, MacComb, tha that could be the death knell. 25:15.233 --> 25:17.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Which way does the house go? 25:17.333 --> 25:19.633 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% I am goin to be so honest at this point. 25:19.633 --> 25:21.100 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% It is a toss up for me. 25:21.100 --> 25:22.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I want to say that 25:22.966 --> 25:26.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% especially with the fundraisin that Democrats have been doing, 25:26.466 --> 25:29.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% God knows that I have seen ad after, after 25:29.066 --> 25:31.000 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% and after ad for every candidate, 25:31.000 --> 25:33.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% including those who aren't eve I'm not even in their district. 25:34.233 --> 25:36.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% So they definitely got the momentum there. 25:36.833 --> 25:38.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% My big question is, as they continue 25:38.600 --> 25:42.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to push the abortion as an issue issue, 25:42.466 --> 25:43.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% whether or not that's 25:43.600 --> 25:45.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% just kind of getting lost in all of the noise, 25:45.766 --> 25:47.700 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, you're constantly hearing it. 25:47.700 --> 25:49.133 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Democrats are doing a heck of a job 25:49.133 --> 25:51.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% in making sure that that's their standard message. 25:51.833 --> 25:53.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% But are people actually receiving it 25:53.966 --> 25:55.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% when Republicans are pushing so hard on the fact 25:55.566 --> 25:56.533 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% it's been decided? 25:56.833 --> 25:59.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I would say that Republicans are spending a lot of time 25:59.166 --> 26:00.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% in the districts where these people are. 26:00.700 --> 26:02.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Meanwhile, Democrat have a lot of seats to defend. 26:02.966 --> 26:04.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Not a lot they're trying to flip. 26:04.100 --> 26:06.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I think Republicans have the advantage. 26:06.233 --> 26:08.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Should we erase this tape? 26:08.833 --> 26:09.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Only if we're wrong. 26:09.766 --> 26:11.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% All of that like that. 26:11.366 --> 26:13.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You ought to go into TV news. 26:13.566 --> 26:14.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Thank you all very much. 26:14.766 --> 26:16.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Good, good program. 26:16.100 --> 26:18.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If you haven't voted, why don't you get it in the game? 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