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We are back now with

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Ambassador Pete Hoekstra,

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who we think he's going to be

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the Republican Party chair.

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You heard the governor

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speech last night.

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Was there anything

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that you liked?

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I loved her

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talking about the Lions.

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I'm a U of M fan.

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I went.

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I'm a graduate

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of the University of Michigan.

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I was thrilled

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that she acknowledged that

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the University of Michigan

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is the.

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Yeah, they are.

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They're the NCAA

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football champions.

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you must have been

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deeply disappointed

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that the Republicans

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did not stand at that point.

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congressmen

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don't really care.

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That that's not

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that's not the important issue.

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Whether they stood or

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stood or sat down,

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I went through enough State

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of the Union speeches.

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with Republican presidents

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and Democrat presidents.

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Democrat president,

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the other side is going

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up, down, up, down.

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there's reporters

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out there counting.

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How many times

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did they stand up?

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And if it's a Republican

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president, okay, yeah,

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I'm going to wear my I'm

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going to wear my

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running shoes today

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because I will have to go

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up, down, up, down, up, down.

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And people are counting.

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And so, you know,

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come on, let's

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talk about the real issues.

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Come on.

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And a substantive

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basis,

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the content of the speech,

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apart from the sports angle,

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was there anything you liked?

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there are

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two remarkable

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differences of opinion here.

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And it came up in the earlier

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segment of the show

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when you were talking about

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a targeted tax break

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for seniors,

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a targeted tax break for this,

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a targeted tax break for that.

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kind of like now

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we're not into

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this identity politics.

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I don't want to

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fall into a group

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and say if I can get

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if I can just kind

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of wiggle into this,

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I get another tax break, lower

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the overall tax rate. Okay.

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Her strategic investment

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fund, where,

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I'm going to give money

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to Gretchen

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Whitmer, the governor

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and the state legislature,

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so that they can decide

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where to,

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what's a promising industry

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and all of that.

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I don't want her doing that.

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She has no risk.

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she's got no skin in the game.

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There's no risk

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for state government.

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The this this whole

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electric vehicle fiasco.

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a technology

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that's not ready for prime

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time. Okay.

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you can't drive

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from West Michigan

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to Detroit

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and back in your F-150

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the supercharged vehicle

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without finding a place

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to charge it.

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if it gets cold,

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the biggest parking

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lot of dead

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is the Tesla

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charging station in Chicago.

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all of this money in

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and we're forcing the state

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to buy these vehicles.

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this is not ready for

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prime time yet.

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the people that made

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that decision,

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they're not going

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to pay the price

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because if cattle goes down

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or Goshen goes down

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now, it'll be future taxpayers

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that pay it, pay the price.

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something else.

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she brought up a revamped

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basically version

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of good jobs

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for Michigan, the Snyder

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era payroll tax cut plan.

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a little bit of changes

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to what Snyder did

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eventually put into law, which,

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you know, sunset in 2019.

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any Republican appetite for

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like you're talking

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of more broad tax relief?

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fit that bill?

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we did this

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when we balanced

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the budget in Washington.

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you need to balance the budget.

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where we're going to have

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of big government.

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or slowing the growth

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or actually shrinking

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government somewhat.

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of the Republican Party

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in Michigan,

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this is a question

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been thinking about, though.

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on at the border in Texas

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and there's a power struggle

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between the federal government

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and the government in Texas.

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I'm sure you've

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been following this

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and there's this chatter.

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is there room

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in the Republican Party

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for people

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who are openly rooting

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for a civil war,

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for people who believe in Q-anon

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do you

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welcome those people

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into the Michigan

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Republican Party?

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What I welcome is, you know,

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working forward

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and going toward solutions.

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well aware of the debates.

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I'm reading the opinion pieces

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that are out there

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this morning.

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what's happening on the border.

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what he's trying to do

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and other states

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are trying to do

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by sending National

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and closing the border.

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wrote an opinion piece

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that said,

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let's federalize

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Texas National Guard

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let's I'm

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all open for that debate.

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I know where the people

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in the state of Michigan

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and where the people in Texas

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and a lot of states are,

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because the Supreme

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Court ruling now

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that says, hey,

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Texas, what you're doing.

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these are Republican jurists

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who said Texas,

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what you're doing

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does not line up

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with how our nation works.

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saying that

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Joe Biden should just say,

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oh, we've got a Supreme

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Court rule,

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we've got the Constitution.

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But, yeah, Texas.

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Go ahead.

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No, I want

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I want Joe Biden

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to actually enforce, you know,

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the rule of law and

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secure the border.

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It's very simple. What we want.

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We want Republicans.

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a lot of Democrats

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who want a secure border.

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Take a look at Chicago.

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There are people now

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that are calling for what?

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Getting rid of their status

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as a sanctuary city

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because they've now welcomed in

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31, 32,000 people.

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So they can't afford it.

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So you're in favor

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of the US

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Senate

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passing some type

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of bipartisan immigration

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reform measure right now?

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Take a look at the content.

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Get a get a good border deal.

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there's a lot of other dynamics

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going on in Lansing

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or in Washington.

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I recognize that.

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But take a look

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at exactly

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what the content of a border

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plan is.

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We expect that,

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you know,

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we're going to have

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a Republican president.

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We're going to have

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a Republican Senate.

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And those types of things,

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we're going to keep the House

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If we can get as good of a deal

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as what we will get

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with a president,

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a Senate and the House,

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and you can get that now.

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You're probably go for it,

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but you know,

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you're not going

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to get that deal.

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So just back

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to my first question.

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I just want to

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I want to nail

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you down on this.

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If someone comes to you

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and says,

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I believe in Q-anon

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and I want a position

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as a district chair

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within the Michigan

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Republican Party,

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should I run or not?

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They're welcome to run.

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You you would say

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you should run?

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No, I would say you

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are welcome to run.

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And you know what?

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You know,

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because we're

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also having this debate now

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about whether we want

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candidates chosen

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by caucus

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or by precinct delegates

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and those kinds of things. No.

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I know what would have happened

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when I ran for Congress

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and I said I would gone

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to the delegates

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and said, hey,

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I'd like to run

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against a 26 year incumbent

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who's chairman

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of the

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National Republican

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Campaign Committee,

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who has all the

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sentimental attachments

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right to you

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and the district here.

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They would have said,

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sorry, Pete, you don't qualify.

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All right.

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Because I know

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that's what they did.

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They you know, they didn't

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welcome me to their events

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or those types of things.

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We went to the grassroots

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and I ran a campaign

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with the grassroots,

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and we beat the establishment.

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Okay. If folks want to come in,

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I won't.

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So are people

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welcome to come in to the party

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and compete for positions?

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Absolutely.

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All right.

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You know, the

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I'm sure there are people

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that voted for me who said,

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you know exactly

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what they stand

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for and all of that.

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You know what?

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No.

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But, you know,

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you've got to win

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on Election Day.

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We'll give Emily the last word.

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Yes.

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Well, we're talking about this

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big tent of a party here

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who's welcome.

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I think there are

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a lot of people

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who didn't feel welcome under

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Kristina Karamos

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Republican Party.

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This American Life had

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an interview

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with some Muslim leaders

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within the party

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that felt a little bit

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disenfranchized at times.

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You know, certainly

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some people

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who aren't Christian

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could have been turned off

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by her overtly

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Christian message,

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particularly Jewish

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members of the party.

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What kind of repair work

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do you have to do to make sure

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that everybody feels like

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they can be

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a part of the party?

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Well, you go out,

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you tell them

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what our agenda is.

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You talk

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about what our philosophy is

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and we don't talk about,

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you know,

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you're a good Republican

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or you're a bad person

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or you're in this category,

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you're not welcome. Okay.

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We did this

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when we did the Contract

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with America

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the first time we took over

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Republican control of the House

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of Representatives in 40 years.

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We didn't say, you know,

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you're welcome, but you're not.

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Although we have,

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we might reconsider that.

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The But know you're welcome.

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But you're not.

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What we did is we put together

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an agenda

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of ten items, Contract

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with America, and said

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when we get elected,

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these are the things

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that we are going to do.

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And we'd love to

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have you join us on this path

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to implement this agenda.

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And we made

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we had a historic election,

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and that's the model

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that we will fight

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and that's the model

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that we will put forward

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for the voters

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in the state of Michigan.

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An agenda, a positive agenda,

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the results

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and the vision that we

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expect to achieve.

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Come on.

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It's going to be a great ride.

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You know, after 94,

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what did we do?

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We balanced the budget.

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We cut taxes

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and we grew the economy.

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That's the

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that's the kind of vision

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and the message

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that people will embrace,

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not this other

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stuff that has gone on.

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Mr. Hoekstra make it clear

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you're not using this position

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as a stepping stone

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to run for office again.

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Correct?

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You know, everybody's

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got to negotiate.

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I have to negotiate

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with my wife.

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She does not envision me

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being on the ballot again,

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as I probably would

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not support it.

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Is that a Sherman statement?

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Probably as pretty close

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as you can get. Yeah.

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Thank you, sir.

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It's good to see you.

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Good to see you. Appreciate it.