1 00:00:04,966 --> 00:00:06,366 Thanks for tuning in the O.T.R. 2 00:00:06,366 --> 00:00:08,100 Our guest this week is Democratic State 3 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:10,500 Senator Rosemary Bayer with an update on gun 4 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,666 safety efforts in the legislature. 5 00:00:12,666 --> 00:00:15,333 Our lead story, the president's State of the Union. 6 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:16,966 How does it play in Michigan? 7 00:00:16,966 --> 00:00:20,133 Around the OTR table, Chad Livingood, Zoey Clark and Bill 8 00:00:20,133 --> 00:00:23,666 Ballenger sitting with us as we get the inside out. 9 00:00:23,666 --> 00:00:28,666 Off the Record. 10 00:00:28,666 --> 00:00:32,166 Production of Off the Record is made possible, in part by 11 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:35,866 Martin Waymire, a full service strategic communications agency, 12 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:38,433 partnering with clients through public relations, 13 00:00:38,433 --> 00:00:41,366 digital marketing and public policy engagement. 14 00:00:41,366 --> 00:00:44,633 Learn more at MartinWaymire.com. 15 00:00:44,633 --> 00:00:49,566 And now this edition of Off the Record with Tim Skubick. 16 00:00:49,566 --> 00:00:50,233 Thank you very much. 17 00:00:50,933 --> 00:00:53,233 Welcome to Off the Record studio C on this Friday morning. 18 00:00:53,466 --> 00:00:55,433 We are not national correspondents, 19 00:00:55,433 --> 00:00:57,200 but we can certainly react to what we saw. 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,100 We can act like them. 21 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,833 Well speak for yourself. Okay. 22 00:01:00,833 --> 00:01:02,966 I have trouble being me alright. 23 00:01:02,966 --> 00:01:04,633 So what did you make of the speech last night? 24 00:01:04,633 --> 00:01:06,700 Visa vie the people in Michigan. 25 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:07,866 Yeah, well, 26 00:01:07,866 --> 00:01:09,633 I mean, we were talking a little earlier, just 27 00:01:09,633 --> 00:01:13,033 I mean, specifically Michigan, the number of UAW folks 28 00:01:13,033 --> 00:01:13,433 that were there. 29 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:16,433 We saw Sean Fein even step up and give like kind of a 30 00:01:16,633 --> 00:01:18,766 like fist bump hand waving. 31 00:01:18,766 --> 00:01:21,366 Yeah, one of these. Like thank you. Thank you. 32 00:01:21,366 --> 00:01:24,033 Which is so interesting from, you know what, a year ago 33 00:01:24,033 --> 00:01:24,933 when there was, you know, is 34 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,866 here, isn't he is the UAW not going to endorse? 35 00:01:28,866 --> 00:01:29,866 But I mean, overall, 36 00:01:29,866 --> 00:01:30,866 when we're talking about the speech, 37 00:01:31,233 --> 00:01:32,966 I guess I will, you know, do the national thing for a while. 38 00:01:32,966 --> 00:01:37,133 I think what you're hearing is it was a campaign speech, right. 39 00:01:37,133 --> 00:01:39,233 Enveloped in a State of the Union, 40 00:01:39,233 --> 00:01:40,900 which is not shocking. 41 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:44,366 This is a president who probably has had 42 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:46,333 the largest audience yesterday. 43 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:48,200 You know, he declined to do the interview 44 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:48,966 after the 45 00:01:49,233 --> 00:01:50,600 the Super Bowl, which is usually where 46 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,866 presidents get the most viewership. 47 00:01:52,866 --> 00:01:55,466 And so this was sort of the time to speak 48 00:01:55,466 --> 00:01:58,700 to the American people in a very large audience 49 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:02,833 before November, you know, now 241 days away. 50 00:02:02,833 --> 00:02:03,033 All right. 51 00:02:03,866 --> 00:02:04,600 So, Billy, if you were one of the people 52 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 in Michigan who's not sure about Joe Biden, 53 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,366 I maybe was there before, 54 00:02:08,366 --> 00:02:11,033 but I'm not sure now that he moved anybody. 55 00:02:11,033 --> 00:02:14,800 He might have moved them slightly, but I'm not convinced. 56 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,900 It was as though he just said a campaign speech 57 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:21,533 more than a statesman like State of the Union. 58 00:02:21,533 --> 00:02:22,766 But it was spirited. 59 00:02:22,766 --> 00:02:25,600 And I think he addressed one of his biggest issues, 60 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,900 and that is the age issue and the doddering senile issue. 61 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:32,100 And I think for the most part, 62 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:34,833 he convinced people he had the fire in his belly 63 00:02:34,833 --> 00:02:36,866 and he could articulate things well. 64 00:02:36,866 --> 00:02:39,200 He was up past 9:00. 65 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,400 The speech. 66 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,000 That's late for even me sometimes. 67 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,100 Just like in the past in the States, 68 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:48,733 the speech did go right after his opponents. 69 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:51,400 I mean, in particular, he obviously referenced 70 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,100 my former my predecessor, sir, at least 15 times. 71 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:57,233 But there were some so there were 72 00:02:57,233 --> 00:03:00,266 some pretty clever ways that they went after 73 00:03:00,266 --> 00:03:03,600 folks right at the beginning where he he 74 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,800 lays out, you know, the need for for aid for Ukraine. 75 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,800 Then he quotes Ronald Reagan, Mr. 76 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,433 Gorbachev, tear down this wall. 77 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:16,066 All of a sudden, Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, 78 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,100 is clapping. 79 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:18,366 Yes. Yes. 80 00:03:18,366 --> 00:03:21,633 And then he says and then he quotes Donald Trump, Mr. 81 00:03:21,633 --> 00:03:23,466 Putin, 82 00:03:23,466 --> 00:03:25,233 do whatever the hell you want. 83 00:03:25,233 --> 00:03:28,866 And that is that is literally what Donald Trump said. 84 00:03:28,866 --> 00:03:32,100 And all of a sudden, Mike Mike Johnson was like, Oh, boy, huh? 85 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:33,600 And I mean. 86 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,433 How do I get out of here? He trapped him. 87 00:03:35,433 --> 00:03:36,566 I mean, it was it was 88 00:03:36,566 --> 00:03:40,466 it was brilliant speech writing on that part. 89 00:03:40,466 --> 00:03:43,166 And the way that they executed, the way they came out 90 00:03:43,166 --> 00:03:46,100 with these sort of these these these 91 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:47,933 right out of the gate just in case people 92 00:03:47,933 --> 00:03:51,233 people do drop off, you know, just like anything else, 93 00:03:51,233 --> 00:03:53,733 whether it's TV or, you know, 94 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:54,333 the first, 95 00:03:55,166 --> 00:03:57,133 you know, four or five in column inches of a newspaper article, 96 00:03:57,133 --> 00:03:58,266 they do drop off. 97 00:03:58,266 --> 00:04:00,900 And so they they just get you. 98 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:03,566 Heard that point across the state right there. Right. 99 00:04:03,566 --> 00:04:05,500 Getting at Ukraine early 100 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:10,700 and getting at abortion rights early and getting after 101 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:12,933 the January six division here 102 00:04:12,933 --> 00:04:14,433 that still exists 103 00:04:14,433 --> 00:04:17,566 about what happened when there was an attempt 104 00:04:17,566 --> 00:04:19,466 to have a peaceful transfer of power. 105 00:04:19,466 --> 00:04:22,033 He just went right after those top issues out of the gate. 106 00:04:22,033 --> 00:04:24,566 And I thought that was pretty pretty well done. 107 00:04:24,566 --> 00:04:24,800 You know, 108 00:04:25,866 --> 00:04:27,333 we often talk about debates that you don't necessarily 109 00:04:27,333 --> 00:04:29,666 win a debate, but you can certainly lose them. 110 00:04:29,666 --> 00:04:33,766 And I think for many folks going thinking about Biden 111 00:04:33,766 --> 00:04:35,466 going into the speech was I don't know that 112 00:04:35,466 --> 00:04:39,666 he could do that much at this point to win. 113 00:04:39,666 --> 00:04:40,133 Right. 114 00:04:40,966 --> 00:04:43,066 The State of the Union just because there are right now 115 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:46,066 we know voters are angry and his approval 116 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:49,466 rate is underwater and actually the lowest 117 00:04:49,466 --> 00:04:50,600 that it's been. 118 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,666 And so I don't think that he necessarily like won 119 00:04:54,666 --> 00:04:56,466 over a huge amount of voters, 120 00:04:56,466 --> 00:04:59,566 but I don't know that he took a step backwards. 121 00:04:59,566 --> 00:05:03,400 Well, you're seeing status quo. 122 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,100 I mean, to some extent, although, again, 123 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:07,300 when you look at sort of all of the headlines, 124 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:11,466 I mean, as Bill was saying, like feisty, fiery, 125 00:05:11,466 --> 00:05:12,733 you know, as I was saying earlier, 126 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:16,300 he had his Wheaties and I think he needed to do that. 127 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:20,300 But again, for some voters who still think, you know, 128 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:24,300 he's he's just not for me, I don't know what you can do 129 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:25,166 at that point. 130 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,833 Some voters will still look at it and say, 131 00:05:26,833 --> 00:05:30,366 that's an angry old man up there shaking his fist and 132 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,233 and that is 133 00:05:31,866 --> 00:05:34,633 that is the problem is going to be very hard to overcome. 134 00:05:34,633 --> 00:05:37,633 Then there is just a general apathy 135 00:05:37,633 --> 00:05:41,433 among among some segments of the Democratic vote 136 00:05:41,433 --> 00:05:43,233 you see right now 137 00:05:43,233 --> 00:05:45,866 some some black leaders in the state, Warren Evans, 138 00:05:45,866 --> 00:05:49,133 Wayne County executive getting very vocal that 139 00:05:49,133 --> 00:05:53,800 that there is no communication to black leaders. 140 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,900 Sheldon Neeley, the mayor of Flint, 141 00:05:55,900 --> 00:06:00,333 other other black leaders are starting to say this out loud 142 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:03,833 and then you add in the already major discontent 143 00:06:03,833 --> 00:06:05,633 among Arab leaders, 144 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:08,900 which he just had a little mini revolt among among 145 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:12,633 Arab leaders, including the the House majority floor leader, 146 00:06:12,633 --> 00:06:17,266 Abraham Amash, and the mayor of Dearborn. 147 00:06:17,266 --> 00:06:18,000 There is 148 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,933 just a, you know, a simmering 149 00:06:20,933 --> 00:06:24,666 problem here on the left for for the president. 150 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,866 And they have not addressed it yet. 151 00:06:26,866 --> 00:06:28,233 I mean, there wasn't anything 152 00:06:28,233 --> 00:06:30,400 in that speech that addressed Gaza. 153 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,833 And other than we're going to build up temporary port 154 00:06:32,833 --> 00:06:35,933 to help get more aid in there, only because Israel 155 00:06:35,933 --> 00:06:38,766 won't let the aid come in through its gates. 156 00:06:38,766 --> 00:06:41,433 Well, in the first place, they go to open an office. 157 00:06:41,433 --> 00:06:45,700 He's not in downtown Detroit, but where Madison Heights. 158 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:47,033 Yeah, right. 159 00:06:47,033 --> 00:06:51,000 There is definitely an A there's you can definitely sense 160 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,633 by some of the moves being made by the Biden campaign 161 00:06:53,633 --> 00:06:58,633 that there is concern about about blue collar union workers. 162 00:06:58,633 --> 00:07:03,533 I mean, why would else would you put the president of the UAW 163 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:03,933 in the 164 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:09,166 in the first lady suite and give him a shout out like that 165 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:09,800 if you were 166 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:13,666 not trying to continue to appeal to labor union leaders? 167 00:07:13,666 --> 00:07:15,500 He didn't go to Dearborn last month. 168 00:07:15,500 --> 00:07:16,600 Earlier this month, 169 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:20,433 he went right to Macomb County and was greeted at the tarmac 170 00:07:20,433 --> 00:07:21,366 by Sean Fein. 171 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:22,866 I was just going to say, you know, who did you see him 172 00:07:22,866 --> 00:07:24,433 with the last time he was in Michigan? 173 00:07:24,433 --> 00:07:25,633 And we'll continue to watch. 174 00:07:25,633 --> 00:07:28,133 As you know, today, he's in Pennsylvania. 175 00:07:28,133 --> 00:07:30,033 And, you know, we'll watch over the next few weeks. 176 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:31,733 You know, they this is very normal. 177 00:07:31,733 --> 00:07:33,433 The president gives the State of the Union 178 00:07:33,433 --> 00:07:34,533 and then travels 179 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:37,300 around the country and tells that story. 180 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:38,566 And we'll see again 181 00:07:38,566 --> 00:07:40,966 who he's meeting with when he comes back to Michigan. 182 00:07:40,966 --> 00:07:42,966 And next week he's supposed to go to Saginaw County. 183 00:07:42,966 --> 00:07:45,533 And Saginaw County is a must win. 184 00:07:45,533 --> 00:07:49,166 If Donald Trump wins Saginaw County down, Trump is president. 185 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:52,566 Well, he's just that Trump country up there would be. 186 00:07:52,566 --> 00:07:55,900 Counts well yeah you get outside of the cities. 187 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:57,533 It is definitely Trump country. 188 00:07:57,533 --> 00:08:00,666 And if there is a surge like we saw Trump flip 189 00:08:00,666 --> 00:08:03,866 that county in Flint Bay County in 2016, 190 00:08:03,866 --> 00:08:06,266 that's that's Donald Trump's pathway to victory 191 00:08:06,266 --> 00:08:08,566 is running up the score and winning in those there. 192 00:08:08,566 --> 00:08:09,266 It is amazing 193 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,533 how that I-75 corridor has changed over the years. 194 00:08:12,533 --> 00:08:14,100 Frankly, even rural 195 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,666 Genesee County outside of Flint is becoming more Trump country. 196 00:08:17,866 --> 00:08:19,166 Yeah, yeah. 197 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:22,100 The the women's issue came up last night in the speech. 198 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:23,500 Let's bring it home now, Chad. 199 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:24,466 You guys at the news 200 00:08:24,466 --> 00:08:26,566 had a good story on this IVF problem. 201 00:08:26,566 --> 00:08:28,400 Where are we on this? Yeah. 202 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,100 So the gist of her background, the Alabama Supreme Court 203 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:35,966 essentially ruled that 204 00:08:35,966 --> 00:08:37,866 an embryo 205 00:08:37,866 --> 00:08:41,733 in a lab used for IVF 206 00:08:41,733 --> 00:08:45,700 and for getting helping a couple get pregnant, 207 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,233 there's personhood 208 00:08:47,233 --> 00:08:49,733 that life begins at conception right then 209 00:08:49,733 --> 00:08:52,666 and that that tracks with a lot of these life 210 00:08:52,666 --> 00:08:54,100 begins at conception bills 211 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:56,900 that we've seen in Congress and in the state House 212 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:57,766 over the years. 213 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:00,933 And so now you have some Republican candidates, 214 00:09:00,933 --> 00:09:02,866 particularly for the US Senate, 215 00:09:02,866 --> 00:09:05,766 like Mike Rogers, former Congressman Peter Meyer, 216 00:09:05,766 --> 00:09:09,700 former congressman who are who sponsored that bill. 217 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:12,900 And now there is there is the real life effect 218 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:16,800 that that that if you base on this Alabama 219 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,433 court ruling, if at least in Alabama, 220 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:23,733 if you destroy this embryo, that they're discarded 221 00:09:23,733 --> 00:09:27,166 and you have you're going to be legally liable 222 00:09:27,166 --> 00:09:29,166 for for death of a person. 223 00:09:29,166 --> 00:09:31,300 And and so now there's 224 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:33,366 real recoiling going on 225 00:09:33,366 --> 00:09:34,600 right now in the Republican Party 226 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,100 because they're trying to figure out 227 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:40,300 how do we say we're for IVF, but we also save a life. 228 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:41,733 All life begins at conception, 229 00:09:41,733 --> 00:09:47,033 whether it's a natural pregnancy or the sort of petri dish, 230 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:49,533 you know, IVF 231 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:50,566 science here. 232 00:09:50,566 --> 00:09:53,000 Here's the sticky wicket for politicians. 233 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,566 They have a record. 234 00:09:54,566 --> 00:09:56,666 How do you square if you're a mike Rogers 235 00:09:56,666 --> 00:09:59,300 or a Peter Myers with what you said before? 236 00:09:59,300 --> 00:09:59,866 Okay. 237 00:10:00,566 --> 00:10:02,666 And what you're saying now and the critics say, yeah, 238 00:10:02,666 --> 00:10:05,200 now, one that's popular in a goes to proposal 239 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,633 three is still alive and well in Michigan. 240 00:10:07,633 --> 00:10:09,100 How are they playing this thing? 241 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:12,533 Well, in Roger's case and in some others, it's 242 00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:13,433 not just the case 243 00:10:13,866 --> 00:10:17,366 and what they said in the past, it's how they voted or. 244 00:10:17,566 --> 00:10:18,666 What they. 245 00:10:18,666 --> 00:10:20,533 Want, which even answered. 246 00:10:20,533 --> 00:10:22,000 And now they're scrambling 247 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,700 to get on board the pro IVF bandwagon. 248 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:27,700 Republicans everywhere are. 249 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,966 Even the Alabama legislature 250 00:10:30,966 --> 00:10:35,900 voted this week after its own high court ruled, 251 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:40,066 you know, the other way to sanctify IVF. 252 00:10:40,066 --> 00:10:43,500 And Republicans everywhere have got to figure out 253 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,666 a way to deal with this. 254 00:10:44,866 --> 00:10:47,533 And I think they've got to figure out a way to support it. 255 00:10:47,533 --> 00:10:50,133 And if they look like they're hypocrites, look, 256 00:10:50,133 --> 00:10:53,833 politicians change their views on issues all the time. 257 00:10:53,833 --> 00:10:55,433 Well, then you have to say that. 258 00:10:55,433 --> 00:10:56,166 You got to say it. 259 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,333 And when I caught up with Mike Rogers about this 260 00:10:58,333 --> 00:11:01,766 an event last week, I asked him how you squares his past, 261 00:11:01,766 --> 00:11:04,700 you know, support for the personhood bills. 262 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:08,600 And and he said he very much essentially punted. 263 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,700 He said, I want the states to handle this. 264 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:12,400 I think this is this is a health care decision 265 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,633 the states should do. 266 00:11:13,633 --> 00:11:15,833 But Democrats are going to come back and say, 267 00:11:15,833 --> 00:11:19,600 look, you either are going to be for a federal protection 268 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,000 or this Alabama Supreme Court decision is going to or one 269 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,900 some sort of similar case 270 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:28,800 is going to make its way to the Trump Supreme Court. 271 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,600 And we know how that worked out in the Dobbs decision. 272 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,700 Yeah, one in eight families 273 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:37,100 in the United States deals with infertility, one in eight. 274 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:38,500 And so when you talk about 275 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,400 what this means for folks, it is personal. 276 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,633 And I was really fascinated when we go 277 00:11:44,633 --> 00:11:48,533 back to the State of the Union, particularly when President 278 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:53,233 Biden talked about his belief in IVF 279 00:11:53,233 --> 00:11:57,033 and the need to make it safe and legal, 280 00:11:57,033 --> 00:12:01,100 Republicans did not clap and they did not stand. 281 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,566 Now, you know, we understand in politics right now 282 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,766 that there is probably just like this, 283 00:12:06,766 --> 00:12:09,033 you know, Speaker Johnson saying, like no matter what 284 00:12:09,033 --> 00:12:12,100 we're doing, we're not you know, we're not giving a lot of 285 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:16,233 applause and we're not standing in this. But 286 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:17,600 something that happened so 287 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,600 recently that we know about the popular Party, 288 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,766 I was really surprised to see at that moment 289 00:12:24,766 --> 00:12:26,333 that there couldn't even be claps. 290 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:28,933 And so I think it goes back to, you know, what? 291 00:12:28,933 --> 00:12:31,766 What are you saying versus what are you actually doing? 292 00:12:31,766 --> 00:12:33,266 And it's going to be really interesting 293 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:34,633 to watch over this year. 294 00:12:34,633 --> 00:12:37,300 Well, I remember those comments were in the context 295 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:41,133 of the power of women at the polls, 296 00:12:41,133 --> 00:12:44,333 very, very important things in this state in particular. 297 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,566 Yeah, absolutely. 298 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:48,600 I think many Republicans, I know they're conflicted on this, as 299 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,466 Zoe said, but I think they think that IVF is their way 300 00:12:52,466 --> 00:12:55,700 out of the abortion wilderness in which they found themselves. 301 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,766 Since the Dobbs decision, 302 00:12:57,766 --> 00:13:01,733 the Republicans had a tough time dealing with that issue. 303 00:13:01,733 --> 00:13:04,066 And it's working against them all the time. 304 00:13:04,066 --> 00:13:09,466 And I think if they can find a way to go for IVF 305 00:13:09,466 --> 00:13:11,466 and change their 306 00:13:11,466 --> 00:13:14,866 votes and their positions and their attitudes 307 00:13:14,866 --> 00:13:18,000 and acknowledge that you're changing it, okay. 308 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,966 You know, look, Joe Biden and Teddy Kennedy, 309 00:13:22,166 --> 00:13:23,300 Roman Catholics, 310 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:26,500 they were once pro-life way back in the day 311 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:29,000 before they never really talked about it. Yeah. 312 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,600 And then they flipped and they found a way to do it. 313 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,933 I may have been wrong on that. 314 00:13:33,933 --> 00:13:35,600 She was 315 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,000 if I if I'm wrong, I'm sure the governor will call you tell. 316 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,700 All right. 317 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:41,800 But but there has been a sea change on that. 318 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,100 I mean, 319 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:46,833 now you have this becoming an issue obviously, in the US 320 00:13:46,833 --> 00:13:50,533 Senate race has become an issue in congressional races as well. 321 00:13:50,766 --> 00:13:53,266 But I think you'll probably see 322 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:54,700 some vote this spring 323 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:56,933 in the legislature, in Michigan legislature, 324 00:13:56,933 --> 00:14:01,566 some type of bill to protect IVF, protect the right of women, 325 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,333 shield them from any kind of future prosecution 326 00:14:05,333 --> 00:14:09,033 for the destruction of an embryo that's then that's discarded. 327 00:14:09,033 --> 00:14:10,566 And and they'll 328 00:14:10,566 --> 00:14:13,966 they'll make the Republicans, particularly in the House, 329 00:14:13,966 --> 00:14:15,233 go on the record about this. 330 00:14:15,233 --> 00:14:17,200 In fact, The New York Times just reported this week 331 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,166 that here in Michigan against Congressman Huizenga, 332 00:14:21,166 --> 00:14:23,833 the candidate running against the sitting congressman, 333 00:14:23,833 --> 00:14:27,666 it was the first ad having to do with IVF is coming out. 334 00:14:27,666 --> 00:14:29,900 And so to the left and it will not be the last. 335 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:30,066 All right. 336 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:31,833 Let's call in State Senator Rosemary Bayer 337 00:14:31,833 --> 00:14:33,633 from Oakland County, Democrat. 338 00:14:33,633 --> 00:14:36,300 And welcome back to the program. Nice to have you on board. 339 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:38,866 Let's cut to the chase, Senator. 340 00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:40,566 Last night you heard the president 341 00:14:40,566 --> 00:14:43,566 shout out loud and clear, let's ban assault weapons. 342 00:14:43,566 --> 00:14:46,166 And when you heard that or if you heard about that, 343 00:14:46,166 --> 00:14:51,200 you thought here in Michigan, it's not going to happen. 344 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,933 You never say never. 345 00:14:52,933 --> 00:14:54,433 Your right, Never say never. 346 00:14:54,433 --> 00:14:56,600 We got the first round of stuff through. 347 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,633 We're not going to stop. 348 00:14:57,633 --> 00:15:00,166 We're with the president on this one. 349 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:02,533 Is is it alive and well? 350 00:15:02,533 --> 00:15:03,500 Is it in your committee? 351 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,200 Is it being talked about? 352 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,066 Are votes being gathered? 353 00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:08,066 No, I won't. 354 00:15:08,433 --> 00:15:11,033 None of that kind of thing will happen in an election year. 355 00:15:11,033 --> 00:15:13,333 So, you know, who knows what will happen 356 00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:16,566 next year once we settle back down again 357 00:15:16,566 --> 00:15:18,733 where we have a number of bills, where 358 00:15:18,733 --> 00:15:21,733 I actually have the assault weapons ban. 359 00:15:21,733 --> 00:15:24,300 It's one of my one of my stocks. 360 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:27,866 You know, we we may be able to talk about that next year. 361 00:15:27,866 --> 00:15:28,600 This year. 362 00:15:28,833 --> 00:15:31,133 That's too fiery. It's too feisty. 363 00:15:31,133 --> 00:15:34,500 So so what you're saying, it is too explosive of an issue. 364 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:37,866 It could cost Democrats vote if you went after that. 365 00:15:37,866 --> 00:15:40,466 Yeah, I mean, it's not the thing that's going to help us 366 00:15:40,466 --> 00:15:42,400 win in the election this year. Right. 367 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,633 We just as the president folks, I'm certainly 368 00:15:45,633 --> 00:15:50,266 we've made such good, strong headway in gun violence. 369 00:15:50,266 --> 00:15:53,033 We don't feel that. 370 00:15:53,033 --> 00:15:54,266 We feel like we've actually done 371 00:15:54,266 --> 00:15:54,866 really good 372 00:15:55,533 --> 00:15:58,833 accomplishment on this and we can afford to this year 373 00:15:58,833 --> 00:16:02,100 what we really have to focus on is implementation, right? 374 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:05,166 We really have to focus on getting the most this 375 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:08,333 the bills that we passed last year that are now law, 376 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:11,533 those are the most impactful bills in all the states that are 377 00:16:11,533 --> 00:16:15,500 doing any kind of gun violence prevention or gun safety. 378 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,833 And, you know, we really have to focus on 379 00:16:17,833 --> 00:16:20,900 how do we make those work for the people of Michigan. 380 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:22,066 We don't want 381 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:25,033 what happened right away as soon as those bills became law. 382 00:16:25,033 --> 00:16:25,266 Right. 383 00:16:25,966 --> 00:16:27,300 Two, three days later, a two year 384 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:31,000 old who shoots herself in the face with their dad's gun, 385 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,300 it was one of a number of guns 386 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:34,166 that he owned that were not safely stored. 387 00:16:34,166 --> 00:16:36,033 And sure enough, the worst thing happened. 388 00:16:36,033 --> 00:16:38,500 That is not the way we want to have people 389 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:41,900 learn about these new laws and how to use that. 390 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:43,666 And so it's on us. 391 00:16:43,666 --> 00:16:44,666 It's on the government 392 00:16:44,666 --> 00:16:46,333 to make sure everybody knows what they're 393 00:16:46,333 --> 00:16:48,433 supposed to be doing and help them do that right. 394 00:16:48,433 --> 00:16:50,300 So that's a huge part of what we're up to. 395 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:51,700 And then there's other things 396 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:54,433 that we can do in gun violence prevention 397 00:16:54,433 --> 00:16:58,400 that again, will have the biggest impact on 398 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,366 gun that's gun shootings and gun deaths. 399 00:17:01,366 --> 00:17:02,433 Senator, 400 00:17:02,733 --> 00:17:07,333 what's the track record on red flag laws around the country? 401 00:17:07,333 --> 00:17:09,400 Red flag laws. 402 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,400 What's one. Of your. 403 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Opinions on the the the primary 404 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000 effectiveness for 405 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,033 red flag laws is in suicide prevention. 406 00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:21,433 And the effectiveness in states that have them for suicide 407 00:17:21,433 --> 00:17:25,933 reduction is between eight and about 18% reduction, 408 00:17:26,133 --> 00:17:28,600 which is a massive number. 409 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,766 Most gun deaths you might know this are suicide, right? 410 00:17:31,766 --> 00:17:35,200 That's about two thirds around the country and in Michigan. 411 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,800 And so if you really want to impact 412 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:43,166 the number of gun deaths and go after the biggest bucket 413 00:17:43,166 --> 00:17:45,233 and extremist protection orders do that, 414 00:17:45,233 --> 00:17:47,000 it's actually considered that 415 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 it's probably more higher numbers in prevention 416 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,933 than we can count because it's very difficult to track things 417 00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:55,133 that don't happen. 418 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:57,100 Right. It's easier to track suicides than to this. 419 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:59,000 Is it didn't happen. 420 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,066 But we know at least from just sheer drops in numbers, 421 00:18:02,066 --> 00:18:05,766 we can see the impact happening in states that have it. 422 00:18:05,766 --> 00:18:07,366 So but it also is on us 423 00:18:07,366 --> 00:18:09,166 to make sure that people understand it right. 424 00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:11,066 If they don't know about, it's not going to second 425 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:12,266 make any difference. 426 00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:14,700 So we're on that implementation piece right now. 427 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:18,200 Senator Burr, know that 428 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,733 case. 429 00:18:18,733 --> 00:18:19,733 You've you cited 430 00:18:19,733 --> 00:18:20,333 the young girl, 431 00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:22,300 the two year old who shot herself with her 432 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,300 dad's handgun the day after the new 433 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:25,966 the new law went into effect 434 00:18:25,966 --> 00:18:30,133 for requiring parents to safely storage stored weapons. 435 00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:34,166 That parent was a felon 436 00:18:34,166 --> 00:18:37,166 who was prohibited from having guns. 437 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:40,366 What are these new laws going to do to prevent 438 00:18:40,366 --> 00:18:44,200 people who are committing crimes 439 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,700 from actually adhering to a law that says you need to store 440 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:52,733 your handgun properly when you have kids around? 441 00:18:52,733 --> 00:18:55,133 Yeah, all those things, right? 442 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:58,700 So the people are not supposed to have guns, have guns. 443 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:01,900 You know, the the background check laws that passed 444 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,266 the new the new law for us all 445 00:19:05,266 --> 00:19:08,533 will require every single firearm purchase 446 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:10,900 or transfer to have a background check. 447 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,266 So we don't do that. 448 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,400 And before February of this year, we only did that 449 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,966 with a very small percentage of firearm exchanges 450 00:19:18,966 --> 00:19:23,033 that would be with licensed dealers and only for handguns. 451 00:19:23,033 --> 00:19:25,133 So it was very restrictive. 452 00:19:25,133 --> 00:19:30,033 Now, even if you are passing a firearm on to a family member, 453 00:19:30,033 --> 00:19:31,733 you actually need to get a background check. 454 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:33,700 I mean, everybody needs to do that. 455 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:38,766 So people who don't and that includes people who have had 456 00:19:38,766 --> 00:19:39,633 some kind of commitment, 457 00:19:40,066 --> 00:19:43,133 mental health issue, people who should not have guns. 458 00:19:43,133 --> 00:19:45,666 We're going to do our best to make sure they don't get them. 459 00:19:45,666 --> 00:19:47,400 So that's the first piece, right? 460 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,800 You start with that. 461 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,133 Let's make sure they don't even have any. 462 00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:53,666 But the second piece is, you know, where you do get it. 463 00:19:53,666 --> 00:19:56,500 If you buy a gun from a now even a gun show. 464 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:58,933 Right. You have to get a background check. 465 00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:01,866 But they all have to make sure that people know the law. 466 00:20:01,866 --> 00:20:04,800 So in those stores, in those gun shows, 467 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,500 is there is a posting that says, here's the law, here's 468 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:09,866 the rules, here's the five year penalty 469 00:20:09,866 --> 00:20:11,266 and the 15 year penalty, the fines, 470 00:20:11,266 --> 00:20:13,133 it will happen if something happens. 471 00:20:13,133 --> 00:20:14,633 I mean, you have to sign a piece of paper 472 00:20:14,633 --> 00:20:17,433 that says, I understand that 473 00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:21,166 this is an oh, sorry, 474 00:20:21,166 --> 00:20:21,766 go ahead. 475 00:20:22,366 --> 00:20:26,700 So we starting out talking about assault weapons. 476 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:29,133 And I want to just make sure that I clearly understand. 477 00:20:29,133 --> 00:20:30,233 You were saying that this year 478 00:20:30,233 --> 00:20:31,700 sort of about implementation, 479 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,166 right, of red flag laws, 480 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:35,533 universal background checks are things that have passed. 481 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,600 There are some bills that have been introduced 482 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,800 that we've talked about before, the age requirement, 483 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,166 for example. 484 00:20:44,166 --> 00:20:46,100 Are you saying that, no, 485 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:47,400 you don't think any new gun 486 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,200 legislation will be passed this year 487 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,366 or you still see some opportunities on that? 488 00:20:51,366 --> 00:20:53,966 It was just the assault assault weapons? 489 00:20:53,966 --> 00:20:55,400 Yeah, I don't know the answer. 490 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,500 And so I don't actually control what's on the agenda, 491 00:20:58,733 --> 00:21:00,200 to be honest. Right. 492 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,900 We may introduce some of those bills 493 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:04,333 because we have them and I think they're important. 494 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:05,733 So, you know, over and over again, 495 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,700 if nothing else, we should be talking about it. 496 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:12,666 We should be making a plan for what we can move those to law. 497 00:21:12,666 --> 00:21:14,600 And we already have the bills. 498 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,300 Hope a whole bunch of them. 499 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,700 And in fact, there are some really interesting new things 500 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:22,866 that folks are working on, things like 501 00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:24,800 manufacture, liability. 502 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,700 I mean, that's a really big deal. 503 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,200 If we could do something like that, 504 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,633 that could be something that could be 505 00:21:30,633 --> 00:21:31,933 replicated around the country. 506 00:21:31,933 --> 00:21:33,166 Or maybe we could get it 507 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:35,800 to our federal government in some way that we could 508 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,933 that that could have a tremendous impact. 509 00:21:38,933 --> 00:21:40,533 But there's other things. Go scans. 510 00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:42,166 You've heard of those guns. 511 00:21:42,166 --> 00:21:43,766 They don't have serial numbers 512 00:21:43,766 --> 00:21:46,600 either They're hand printed at home or they're, 513 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,266 you know, the serial numbers are removed 514 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:50,933 as parts are exchanged within the firearms. 515 00:21:50,933 --> 00:21:52,400 Periods, too, as well. 516 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,766 I know it's one bill that's been introduced. Yes. 517 00:21:54,766 --> 00:21:56,333 We would love to see waiting periods. 518 00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,733 The other one that we've been talking about 519 00:21:58,733 --> 00:22:02,633 on that level is the we used to have these 520 00:22:02,633 --> 00:22:05,133 local gun review committees, right. 521 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:09,833 That they would actually approve people's purchases. 522 00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:11,533 And that was kind of an interesting idea. 523 00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:12,566 And one of the things 524 00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:14,800 that I didn't even know about those, I learned about it 525 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,666 from some of my people that I talk 526 00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:20,233 to regularly who are gun owners who care about this. 527 00:22:20,233 --> 00:22:21,500 They want to make sure that 528 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:22,866 people are safe and they want to make sure 529 00:22:22,866 --> 00:22:25,366 they can still have their own firearms 530 00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:27,033 and they're happy to follow the rules. 531 00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:29,200 The things that they think have the biggest impact 532 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,000 are things like having that local review, 533 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,300 which is an interesting way to do it. 534 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:37,033 We in Michigan, I really love our local control, right? 535 00:22:37,033 --> 00:22:40,033 And so when you can put something like that in the hands 536 00:22:40,033 --> 00:22:41,166 of your own community, 537 00:22:41,166 --> 00:22:43,466 that somehow makes it feel better to people 538 00:22:43,466 --> 00:22:45,866 less about government out to get you sort of thing. 539 00:22:45,866 --> 00:22:49,666 Senator, are. There any instances of 540 00:22:49,666 --> 00:22:52,633 encroachments on civil rights 541 00:22:52,633 --> 00:22:57,533 of gun owners around the country under red flag laws? 542 00:22:57,533 --> 00:23:01,366 That was one of the arguments against passing a red flag law 543 00:23:01,366 --> 00:23:05,466 that somehow somebody could be singled out by 544 00:23:05,466 --> 00:23:08,066 some kind of an enemy or a neighbor 545 00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:10,933 that didn't like them and get them in trouble and, 546 00:23:10,933 --> 00:23:14,000 you know, have them investigated and that sort of thing. 547 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,300 Are there are cases like that around the country? 548 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:18,700 Is that causing a problem or not? 549 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,933 No, it's really not. 550 00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:21,600 And, you know, it's 551 00:23:22,133 --> 00:23:26,000 not happening as often as you would would think. 552 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,166 I mean, people 553 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:28,400 have an expectation 554 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,366 that we're going to have an explosion of these 555 00:23:30,366 --> 00:23:32,500 and people are going to be filing 556 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:34,233 complaints against their neighbors 557 00:23:34,233 --> 00:23:36,600 or family members of people. 558 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,400 You know, 559 00:23:37,866 --> 00:23:39,333 And first of all, everything has to go through the judge. 560 00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:42,100 This is very much a adjudicated process. 561 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:42,333 Right? 562 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:45,833 So right at the first step, it has to make sense. 563 00:23:45,833 --> 00:23:48,500 And there are penalties, just like anything else, 564 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,600 for false reports. 565 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,433 So we're very careful legally to do this. 566 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:53,633 Right. 567 00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:54,933 But what again, 568 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,633 if we go back to the intent and the primary use of this 569 00:23:58,633 --> 00:24:02,300 particular set of legislation is about suicide prevention. 570 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:05,066 So the use of it from the other side, 571 00:24:05,066 --> 00:24:06,833 which people are most afraid of, right. 572 00:24:06,833 --> 00:24:09,966 Going to a domestic violence situation or something 573 00:24:09,966 --> 00:24:13,400 like that. I guess the completely 574 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,366 if you go to a domestic violence situation, that's 575 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:16,933 where people are really worried, right? 576 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:18,600 You're going to take my guns away 577 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,700 and you know, that's not fair. 578 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:25,166 And those just don't happen very often. The 579 00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:28,100 even the just the number of guns that appear on average 580 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,533 around the country and states that do this, 581 00:24:30,533 --> 00:24:34,133 they end up getting picked up and safely stored at a police 582 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,433 station is like, 583 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,466 you know, 584 00:24:37,466 --> 00:24:40,333 one or two per police station per year. 585 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:43,133 So there's an interesting little turf war 586 00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:44,966 going on in the Education Department 587 00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:47,700 as the governor has come in and rearranged everything. 588 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,766 It was the governor right, to take all that stuff 589 00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:53,933 away from the state school superintendent. 590 00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:57,900 Well, right is a judgment not to do that. 591 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,033 I ask, have you heard the actual. 592 00:25:00,033 --> 00:25:01,000 Do you support it? 593 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,300 Did you support that? 594 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,133 I support parts of it, to be honest. 595 00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:08,566 I you know, I understand the goal because we 596 00:25:08,566 --> 00:25:12,133 are struggling to improve our education system and, 597 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,033 you know, everybody has been looking for ways to do that. 598 00:25:15,033 --> 00:25:17,866 One approach is to and I think that from the 599 00:25:17,866 --> 00:25:20,200 if you look at it from the outside, 600 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,966 to be able to really focus on early childhood 601 00:25:22,966 --> 00:25:26,233 more than we have been able to makes a lot of sense to me. 602 00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:29,900 The more I worked in this space before I became a senator 603 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,400 on the data side, 604 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,733 the more we invested in 605 00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:38,666 early childhood, the better return on the investment. 606 00:25:38,666 --> 00:25:40,933 But the governor, the governor overreached. 607 00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:43,300 She went way beyond that, right? 608 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,500 Yeah. So that's harder on the other parts. 609 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,166 If you look at the after school programs, for example, 610 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,766 and even the four year olds, the great start, 611 00:25:51,766 --> 00:25:54,900 those are mostly hosted within a school. 612 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:58,000 And so you're kind of saying, okay, in the same building, 613 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,866 in the same setting, 614 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,966 the same people who are running the show there, 615 00:26:01,966 --> 00:26:03,100 here's one department 616 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,366 doing the four year olds, then we have 12 617 00:26:05,366 --> 00:26:07,033 and then we have another department doing this. 618 00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:09,433 And the after school staff is another. 619 00:26:09,433 --> 00:26:13,533 You know, it's it's too many different things in one place. 620 00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:16,100 It's a lot for the school system to have to deal with. 621 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:17,933 We don't know what the impact will be 622 00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:20,500 of that at this point in time. We don't know. 623 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:23,900 But most schools now have some kind of arm. 624 00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,133 I got to get in here. 625 00:26:26,133 --> 00:26:27,200 And sorry. 626 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,533 We're going to we're going to slop over 627 00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,866 into great performances, which you just gave. 628 00:26:30,866 --> 00:26:32,566 Thank you for joining us on our programs. 629 00:26:32,566 --> 00:26:33,600 Always good to see you. 630 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,400 Thanks to our panel. 631 00:26:34,966 --> 00:26:38,300 See you all right here for more Off the Record next week. 632 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,533 Production of Off the Record is made possible, 633 00:26:40,533 --> 00:26:43,666 in part by Martin Waymire, a full service 634 00:26:43,666 --> 00:26:45,733 strategic communications agency 635 00:26:45,733 --> 00:26:48,066 partnering with clients through public relations, 636 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:51,000 digital marketing and public policy engagement. 637 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,466 Learn more at Martin Waymire dot com. 638 00:26:54,466 --> 00:26:58,166 For more off the record, visit wkar.org. 639 00:26:58,166 --> 00:27:00,500 Michigan public television stations have contributed 640 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:45,900 to the production costs of Off the Record.