WEBVTT 00:04.966 --> 00:06.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Thanks for tuning in the O.T.R. 00:06.366 --> 00:08.100 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Our guest this week is Democratic State 00:08.100 --> 00:10.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Senator Rosemary Bayer with an update on gun 00:10.500 --> 00:12.666 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% safety efforts in the legislature. 00:12.666 --> 00:15.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Our lead story, the president's State of the Union. 00:15.333 --> 00:16.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% How does it play in Michigan? 00:16.966 --> 00:20.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Around the OTR table, Chad Livingood, Zoey Clark and Bill 00:20.133 --> 00:23.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Ballenger sitting with us as we get the inside out. 00:23.666 --> 00:28.666 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Off the Record. 00:28.666 --> 00:32.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Production of Off the Record is made possible, in part by 00:32.166 --> 00:35.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Martin Waymire, a full service strategic communications agency, 00:36.100 --> 00:38.433 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% partnering with clients through public relations, 00:38.433 --> 00:41.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% digital marketing and public policy engagement. 00:41.366 --> 00:44.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Learn more at MartinWaymire.com. 00:44.633 --> 00:49.566 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And now this edition of Off the Record with Tim Skubick. 00:49.566 --> 00:50.233 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Thank you very much. 00:50.933 --> 00:53.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Welcome to Off the Record studio C on this Friday morning. 00:53.466 --> 00:55.433 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% We are not national correspondents, 00:55.433 --> 00:57.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% but we can certainly react to what we saw. 00:57.200 --> 00:58.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% We can act like them. 00:58.100 --> 01:00.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well speak for yourself. Okay. 01:00.833 --> 01:02.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I have trouble being me alright. 01:02.966 --> 01:04.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% So what did you make of the speech last night? 01:04.633 --> 01:06.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Visa vie the people in Michigan. 01:06.700 --> 01:07.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Yeah, well, 01:07.866 --> 01:09.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I mean, we were talking a little earlier, just 01:09.633 --> 01:13.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, specifically Michigan, the number of UAW folks 01:13.033 --> 01:13.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% that were there. 01:14.300 --> 01:16.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We saw Sean Fein even step up and give like kind of a 01:16.633 --> 01:18.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% like fist bump hand waving. 01:18.766 --> 01:21.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Yeah, one of these. Like thank you. Thank you. 01:21.366 --> 01:24.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Which is so interesting from, you know what, a year ago 01:24.033 --> 01:24.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% when there was, you know, is 01:25.200 --> 01:28.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% here, isn't he is the UAW not going to endorse? 01:28.866 --> 01:29.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But I mean, overall, 01:29.866 --> 01:30.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% when we're talking about the speech, 01:31.233 --> 01:32.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I guess I will, you know, do the national thing for a while. 01:32.966 --> 01:37.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think what you're hearing is it was a campaign speech, right. 01:37.133 --> 01:39.233 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Enveloped in a State of the Union, 01:39.233 --> 01:40.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% which is not shocking. 01:40.900 --> 01:44.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% This is a president who probably has had 01:44.366 --> 01:46.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the largest audience yesterday. 01:46.333 --> 01:48.200 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, he declined to do the interview 01:48.200 --> 01:48.966 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% after the 01:49.233 --> 01:50.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% the Super Bowl, which is usually where 01:50.600 --> 01:52.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% presidents get the most viewership. 01:52.866 --> 01:55.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so this was sort of the time to speak 01:55.466 --> 01:58.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% to the American people in a very large audience 01:58.700 --> 02:02.833 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% before November, you know, now 241 days away. 02:02.833 --> 02:03.033 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right. 02:03.866 --> 02:04.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% So, Billy, if you were one of the people 02:05.000 --> 02:07.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% in Michigan who's not sure about Joe Biden, 02:07.000 --> 02:08.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I maybe was there before, 02:08.366 --> 02:11.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but I'm not sure now that he moved anybody. 02:11.033 --> 02:14.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% He might have moved them slightly, but I'm not convinced. 02:14.800 --> 02:17.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It was as though he just said a campaign speech 02:17.900 --> 02:21.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% more than a statesman like State of the Union. 02:21.533 --> 02:22.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But it was spirited. 02:22.766 --> 02:25.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And I think he addressed one of his biggest issues, 02:25.600 --> 02:29.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and that is the age issue and the doddering senile issue. 02:30.133 --> 02:32.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I think for the most part, 02:32.100 --> 02:34.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% he convinced people he had the fire in his belly 02:34.833 --> 02:36.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and he could articulate things well. 02:36.866 --> 02:39.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% He was up past 9:00. 02:39.200 --> 02:40.400 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% The speech. 02:40.400 --> 02:43.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% That's late for even me sometimes. 02:43.000 --> 02:45.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Just like in the past in the States, 02:45.100 --> 02:48.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% the speech did go right after his opponents. 02:48.733 --> 02:51.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I mean, in particular, he obviously referenced 02:51.400 --> 02:56.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% my former my predecessor, sir, at least 15 times. 02:56.100 --> 02:57.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% But there were some so there were 02:57.233 --> 03:00.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% some pretty clever ways that they went after 03:00.266 --> 03:03.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% folks right at the beginning where he he 03:03.600 --> 03:07.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% lays out, you know, the need for for aid for Ukraine. 03:07.800 --> 03:10.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Then he quotes Ronald Reagan, Mr. 03:10.800 --> 03:13.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Gorbachev, tear down this wall. 03:13.433 --> 03:16.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% All of a sudden, Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, 03:16.066 --> 03:17.100 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% is clapping. 03:17.100 --> 03:18.366 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Yes. Yes. 03:18.366 --> 03:21.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And then he says and then he quotes Donald Trump, Mr. 03:21.633 --> 03:23.466 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Putin, 03:23.466 --> 03:25.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% do whatever the hell you want. 03:25.233 --> 03:28.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And that is that is literally what Donald Trump said. 03:28.866 --> 03:32.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And all of a sudden, Mike Mike Johnson was like, Oh, boy, huh? 03:32.100 --> 03:33.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% And I mean. 03:33.600 --> 03:35.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% How do I get out of here? He trapped him. 03:35.433 --> 03:36.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean, it was it was 03:36.566 --> 03:40.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% it was brilliant speech writing on that part. 03:40.466 --> 03:43.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And the way that they executed, the way they came out 03:43.166 --> 03:46.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% with these sort of these these these 03:46.100 --> 03:47.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% right out of the gate just in case people 03:47.933 --> 03:51.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% people do drop off, you know, just like anything else, 03:51.233 --> 03:53.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% whether it's TV or, you know, 03:53.733 --> 03:54.333 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% the first, 03:55.166 --> 03:57.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you know, four or five in column inches of a newspaper article, 03:57.133 --> 03:58.266 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% they do drop off. 03:58.266 --> 04:00.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so they they just get you. 04:00.900 --> 04:03.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Heard that point across the state right there. Right. 04:03.566 --> 04:05.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Getting at Ukraine early 04:05.500 --> 04:10.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and getting at abortion rights early and getting after 04:10.700 --> 04:12.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the January six division here 04:12.933 --> 04:14.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% that still exists 04:14.433 --> 04:17.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% about what happened when there was an attempt 04:17.566 --> 04:19.466 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% to have a peaceful transfer of power. 04:19.466 --> 04:22.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He just went right after those top issues out of the gate. 04:22.033 --> 04:24.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I thought that was pretty pretty well done. 04:24.566 --> 04:24.800 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 04:25.866 --> 04:27.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% we often talk about debates that you don't necessarily 04:27.333 --> 04:29.666 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% win a debate, but you can certainly lose them. 04:29.666 --> 04:33.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I think for many folks going thinking about Biden 04:33.766 --> 04:35.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% going into the speech was I don't know that 04:35.466 --> 04:39.666 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% he could do that much at this point to win. 04:39.666 --> 04:40.133 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Right. 04:40.966 --> 04:43.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% The State of the Union just because there are right now 04:43.066 --> 04:46.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% we know voters are angry and his approval 04:46.066 --> 04:49.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% rate is underwater and actually the lowest 04:49.466 --> 04:50.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% that it's been. 04:50.600 --> 04:54.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And so I don't think that he necessarily like won 04:54.666 --> 04:56.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% over a huge amount of voters, 04:56.466 --> 04:59.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but I don't know that he took a step backwards. 04:59.566 --> 05:03.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, you're seeing status quo. 05:03.400 --> 05:05.100 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean, to some extent, although, again, 05:05.100 --> 05:07.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% when you look at sort of all of the headlines, 05:07.300 --> 05:11.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I mean, as Bill was saying, like feisty, fiery, 05:11.466 --> 05:12.733 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, as I was saying earlier, 05:12.733 --> 05:16.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% he had his Wheaties and I think he needed to do that. 05:16.300 --> 05:20.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% But again, for some voters who still think, you know, 05:20.300 --> 05:24.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% he's he's just not for me, I don't know what you can do 05:24.300 --> 05:25.166 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% at that point. 05:25.400 --> 05:26.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Some voters will still look at it and say, 05:26.833 --> 05:30.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that's an angry old man up there shaking his fist and 05:30.600 --> 05:31.233 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% and that is 05:31.866 --> 05:34.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that is the problem is going to be very hard to overcome. 05:34.633 --> 05:37.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Then there is just a general apathy 05:37.633 --> 05:41.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% among among some segments of the Democratic vote 05:41.433 --> 05:43.233 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% you see right now 05:43.233 --> 05:45.866 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% some some black leaders in the state, Warren Evans, 05:45.866 --> 05:49.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Wayne County executive getting very vocal that 05:49.133 --> 05:53.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that there is no communication to black leaders. 05:53.800 --> 05:55.900 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Sheldon Neeley, the mayor of Flint, 05:55.900 --> 06:00.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% other other black leaders are starting to say this out loud 06:00.333 --> 06:03.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and then you add in the already major discontent 06:03.833 --> 06:05.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% among Arab leaders, 06:05.633 --> 06:08.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% which he just had a little mini revolt among among 06:08.900 --> 06:12.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Arab leaders, including the the House majority floor leader, 06:12.633 --> 06:17.266 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Abraham Amash, and the mayor of Dearborn. 06:17.266 --> 06:18.000 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% There is 06:18.000 --> 06:20.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% just a, you know, a simmering 06:20.933 --> 06:24.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% problem here on the left for for the president. 06:24.900 --> 06:26.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And they have not addressed it yet. 06:26.866 --> 06:28.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, there wasn't anything 06:28.233 --> 06:30.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% in that speech that addressed Gaza. 06:30.400 --> 06:32.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And other than we're going to build up temporary port 06:32.833 --> 06:35.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to help get more aid in there, only because Israel 06:35.933 --> 06:38.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% won't let the aid come in through its gates. 06:38.766 --> 06:41.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Well, in the first place, they go to open an office. 06:41.433 --> 06:45.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He's not in downtown Detroit, but where Madison Heights. 06:45.700 --> 06:47.033 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Yeah, right. 06:47.033 --> 06:51.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% There is definitely an A there's you can definitely sense 06:51.000 --> 06:53.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% by some of the moves being made by the Biden campaign 06:53.633 --> 06:58.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that there is concern about about blue collar union workers. 06:58.633 --> 07:03.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, why would else would you put the president of the UAW 07:03.533 --> 07:03.933 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% in the 07:04.900 --> 07:09.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the first lady suite and give him a shout out like that 07:09.166 --> 07:09.800 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% if you were 07:10.500 --> 07:13.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% not trying to continue to appeal to labor union leaders? 07:13.666 --> 07:15.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% He didn't go to Dearborn last month. 07:15.500 --> 07:16.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Earlier this month, 07:16.866 --> 07:20.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% he went right to Macomb County and was greeted at the tarmac 07:20.433 --> 07:21.366 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% by Sean Fein. 07:21.700 --> 07:22.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I was just going to say, you know, who did you see him 07:22.866 --> 07:24.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% with the last time he was in Michigan? 07:24.433 --> 07:25.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And we'll continue to watch. 07:25.633 --> 07:28.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% As you know, today, he's in Pennsylvania. 07:28.133 --> 07:30.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And, you know, we'll watch over the next few weeks. 07:30.033 --> 07:31.733 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% You know, they this is very normal. 07:31.733 --> 07:33.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% The president gives the State of the Union 07:33.433 --> 07:34.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and then travels 07:34.533 --> 07:37.300 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% around the country and tells that story. 07:37.300 --> 07:38.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And we'll see again 07:38.566 --> 07:40.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% who he's meeting with when he comes back to Michigan. 07:40.966 --> 07:42.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And next week he's supposed to go to Saginaw County. 07:42.966 --> 07:45.533 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And Saginaw County is a must win. 07:45.533 --> 07:49.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If Donald Trump wins Saginaw County down, Trump is president. 07:49.166 --> 07:52.566 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Well, he's just that Trump country up there would be. 07:52.566 --> 07:55.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Counts well yeah you get outside of the cities. 07:55.900 --> 07:57.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It is definitely Trump country. 07:57.533 --> 08:00.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And if there is a surge like we saw Trump flip 08:00.666 --> 08:03.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% that county in Flint Bay County in 2016, 08:03.866 --> 08:06.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that's that's Donald Trump's pathway to victory 08:06.266 --> 08:08.566 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% is running up the score and winning in those there. 08:08.566 --> 08:09.266 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% It is amazing 08:09.800 --> 08:12.533 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% how that I-75 corridor has changed over the years. 08:12.533 --> 08:14.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Frankly, even rural 08:14.100 --> 08:17.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Genesee County outside of Flint is becoming more Trump country. 08:17.866 --> 08:19.166 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Yeah, yeah. 08:19.166 --> 08:22.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The the women's issue came up last night in the speech. 08:22.100 --> 08:23.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Let's bring it home now, Chad. 08:23.500 --> 08:24.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% You guys at the news 08:24.466 --> 08:26.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% had a good story on this IVF problem. 08:26.566 --> 08:28.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Where are we on this? Yeah. 08:28.400 --> 08:33.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So the gist of her background, the Alabama Supreme Court 08:33.100 --> 08:35.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% essentially ruled that 08:35.966 --> 08:37.866 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% an embryo 08:37.866 --> 08:41.733 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in a lab used for IVF 08:41.733 --> 08:45.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and for getting helping a couple get pregnant, 08:45.700 --> 08:47.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% there's personhood 08:47.233 --> 08:49.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that life begins at conception right then 08:49.733 --> 08:52.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and that that tracks with a lot of these life 08:52.666 --> 08:54.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% begins at conception bills 08:54.100 --> 08:56.900 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that we've seen in Congress and in the state House 08:56.900 --> 08:57.766 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% over the years. 08:58.100 --> 09:00.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And so now you have some Republican candidates, 09:00.933 --> 09:02.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% particularly for the US Senate, 09:02.866 --> 09:05.766 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% like Mike Rogers, former Congressman Peter Meyer, 09:05.766 --> 09:09.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% former congressman who are who sponsored that bill. 09:09.966 --> 09:12.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And now there is there is the real life effect 09:12.900 --> 09:16.800 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% that that that if you base on this Alabama 09:16.800 --> 09:19.433 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% court ruling, if at least in Alabama, 09:19.433 --> 09:23.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% if you destroy this embryo, that they're discarded 09:23.733 --> 09:27.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and you have you're going to be legally liable 09:27.166 --> 09:29.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% for for death of a person. 09:29.166 --> 09:31.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And and so now there's 09:31.300 --> 09:33.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% real recoiling going on 09:33.366 --> 09:34.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% right now in the Republican Party 09:34.600 --> 09:36.100 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% because they're trying to figure out 09:36.100 --> 09:40.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% how do we say we're for IVF, but we also save a life. 09:40.300 --> 09:41.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% All life begins at conception, 09:41.733 --> 09:47.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% whether it's a natural pregnancy or the sort of petri dish, 09:47.033 --> 09:49.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% you know, IVF 09:49.533 --> 09:50.566 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% science here. 09:50.566 --> 09:53.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Here's the sticky wicket for politicians. 09:53.000 --> 09:54.566 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% They have a record. 09:54.566 --> 09:56.666 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% How do you square if you're a mike Rogers 09:56.666 --> 09:59.300 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% or a Peter Myers with what you said before? 09:59.300 --> 09:59.866 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Okay. 10:00.566 --> 10:02.666 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And what you're saying now and the critics say, yeah, 10:02.666 --> 10:05.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% now, one that's popular in a goes to proposal 10:05.200 --> 10:07.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% three is still alive and well in Michigan. 10:07.633 --> 10:09.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% How are they playing this thing? 10:09.100 --> 10:12.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Well, in Roger's case and in some others, it's 10:12.533 --> 10:13.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% not just the case 10:13.866 --> 10:17.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and what they said in the past, it's how they voted or. 10:17.566 --> 10:18.666 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% What they. 10:18.666 --> 10:20.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Want, which even answered. 10:20.533 --> 10:22.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And now they're scrambling 10:22.000 --> 10:25.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% to get on board the pro IVF bandwagon. 10:25.700 --> 10:27.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Republicans everywhere are. 10:27.700 --> 10:30.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Even the Alabama legislature 10:30.966 --> 10:35.900 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% voted this week after its own high court ruled, 10:35.900 --> 10:40.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% you know, the other way to sanctify IVF. 10:40.066 --> 10:43.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And Republicans everywhere have got to figure out 10:43.500 --> 10:44.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% a way to deal with this. 10:44.866 --> 10:47.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I think they've got to figure out a way to support it. 10:47.533 --> 10:50.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And if they look like they're hypocrites, look, 10:50.133 --> 10:53.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% politicians change their views on issues all the time. 10:53.833 --> 10:55.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, then you have to say that. 10:55.433 --> 10:56.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% You got to say it. 10:56.600 --> 10:58.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And when I caught up with Mike Rogers about this 10:58.333 --> 11:01.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% an event last week, I asked him how you squares his past, 11:01.766 --> 11:04.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% you know, support for the personhood bills. 11:04.700 --> 11:08.600 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% And and he said he very much essentially punted. 11:08.600 --> 11:10.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% He said, I want the states to handle this. 11:10.700 --> 11:12.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I think this is this is a health care decision 11:12.400 --> 11:13.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the states should do. 11:13.633 --> 11:15.833 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% But Democrats are going to come back and say, 11:15.833 --> 11:19.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% look, you either are going to be for a federal protection 11:19.600 --> 11:23.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or this Alabama Supreme Court decision is going to or one 11:23.000 --> 11:24.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% some sort of similar case 11:24.900 --> 11:28.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% is going to make its way to the Trump Supreme Court. 11:28.800 --> 11:31.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And we know how that worked out in the Dobbs decision. 11:31.600 --> 11:33.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Yeah, one in eight families 11:33.700 --> 11:37.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% in the United States deals with infertility, one in eight. 11:37.100 --> 11:38.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And so when you talk about 11:38.500 --> 11:42.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% what this means for folks, it is personal. 11:42.400 --> 11:44.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I was really fascinated when we go 11:44.633 --> 11:48.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% back to the State of the Union, particularly when President 11:48.533 --> 11:53.233 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Biden talked about his belief in IVF 11:53.233 --> 11:57.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and the need to make it safe and legal, 11:57.033 --> 12:01.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Republicans did not clap and they did not stand. 12:01.100 --> 12:04.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Now, you know, we understand in politics right now 12:04.800 --> 12:06.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% that there is probably just like this, 12:06.766 --> 12:09.033 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% you know, Speaker Johnson saying, like no matter what 12:09.033 --> 12:12.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% we're doing, we're not you know, we're not giving a lot of 12:12.100 --> 12:16.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% applause and we're not standing in this. But 12:16.233 --> 12:17.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% something that happened so 12:17.600 --> 12:20.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% recently that we know about the popular Party, 12:20.800 --> 12:24.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I was really surprised to see at that moment 12:24.766 --> 12:26.333 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% that there couldn't even be claps. 12:26.333 --> 12:28.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And so I think it goes back to, you know, what? 12:28.933 --> 12:31.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% What are you saying versus what are you actually doing? 12:31.766 --> 12:33.266 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% And it's going to be really interesting 12:33.266 --> 12:34.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% to watch over this year. 12:34.633 --> 12:37.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, I remember those comments were in the context 12:37.300 --> 12:41.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of the power of women at the polls, 12:41.133 --> 12:44.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% very, very important things in this state in particular. 12:44.600 --> 12:45.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Yeah, absolutely. 12:46.033 --> 12:48.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think many Republicans, I know they're conflicted on this, as 12:48.600 --> 12:52.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Zoe said, but I think they think that IVF is their way 12:52.466 --> 12:55.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% out of the abortion wilderness in which they found themselves. 12:55.700 --> 12:57.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Since the Dobbs decision, 12:57.766 --> 13:01.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the Republicans had a tough time dealing with that issue. 13:01.733 --> 13:04.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And it's working against them all the time. 13:04.066 --> 13:09.466 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And I think if they can find a way to go for IVF 13:09.466 --> 13:11.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and change their 13:11.466 --> 13:14.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% votes and their positions and their attitudes 13:14.866 --> 13:18.000 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% and acknowledge that you're changing it, okay. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% You know, look, Joe Biden and Teddy Kennedy, 13:22.166 --> 13:23.300 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Roman Catholics, 13:23.300 --> 13:26.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% they were once pro-life way back in the day 13:26.500 --> 13:29.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% before they never really talked about it. Yeah. 13:29.000 --> 13:32.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And then they flipped and they found a way to do it. 13:32.600 --> 13:33.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I may have been wrong on that. 13:33.933 --> 13:35.600 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% She was 13:35.600 --> 13:39.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% if I if I'm wrong, I'm sure the governor will call you tell. 13:39.000 --> 13:39.700 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right. 13:40.100 --> 13:41.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But but there has been a sea change on that. 13:41.800 --> 13:43.100 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean, 13:43.100 --> 13:46.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% now you have this becoming an issue obviously, in the US 13:46.833 --> 13:50.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Senate race has become an issue in congressional races as well. 13:50.766 --> 13:53.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But I think you'll probably see 13:53.266 --> 13:54.700 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% some vote this spring 13:54.700 --> 13:56.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% in the legislature, in Michigan legislature, 13:56.933 --> 14:01.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% some type of bill to protect IVF, protect the right of women, 14:01.800 --> 14:05.333 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% shield them from any kind of future prosecution 14:05.333 --> 14:09.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for the destruction of an embryo that's then that's discarded. 14:09.033 --> 14:10.566 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% And and they'll 14:10.566 --> 14:13.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they'll make the Republicans, particularly in the House, 14:13.966 --> 14:15.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% go on the record about this. 14:15.233 --> 14:17.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% In fact, The New York Times just reported this week 14:17.200 --> 14:21.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that here in Michigan against Congressman Huizenga, 14:21.166 --> 14:23.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the candidate running against the sitting congressman, 14:23.833 --> 14:27.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it was the first ad having to do with IVF is coming out. 14:27.666 --> 14:29.900 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And so to the left and it will not be the last. 14:29.900 --> 14:30.066 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right. 14:31.000 --> 14:31.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Let's call in State Senator Rosemary Bayer 14:31.833 --> 14:33.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% from Oakland County, Democrat. 14:33.633 --> 14:36.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And welcome back to the program. Nice to have you on board. 14:36.300 --> 14:38.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Let's cut to the chase, Senator. 14:38.866 --> 14:40.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Last night you heard the president 14:40.566 --> 14:43.566 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% shout out loud and clear, let's ban assault weapons. 14:43.566 --> 14:46.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And when you heard that or if you heard about that, 14:46.166 --> 14:51.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you thought here in Michigan, it's not going to happen. 14:51.200 --> 14:52.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% You never say never. 14:52.933 --> 14:54.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Your right, Never say never. 14:54.433 --> 14:56.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We got the first round of stuff through. 14:56.600 --> 14:57.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% We're not going to stop. 14:57.633 --> 15:00.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% We're with the president on this one. 15:00.166 --> 15:02.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Is is it alive and well? 15:02.533 --> 15:03.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Is it in your committee? 15:03.500 --> 15:05.200 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Is it being talked about? 15:05.200 --> 15:07.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Are votes being gathered? 15:07.066 --> 15:08.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% No, I won't. 15:08.433 --> 15:11.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% None of that kind of thing will happen in an election year. 15:11.033 --> 15:13.333 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% So, you know, who knows what will happen 15:13.333 --> 15:16.566 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% next year once we settle back down again 15:16.566 --> 15:18.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where we have a number of bills, where 15:18.733 --> 15:21.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I actually have the assault weapons ban. 15:21.733 --> 15:24.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It's one of my one of my stocks. 15:24.300 --> 15:27.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% You know, we we may be able to talk about that next year. 15:27.866 --> 15:28.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% This year. 15:28.833 --> 15:31.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% That's too fiery. It's too feisty. 15:31.133 --> 15:34.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% So so what you're saying, it is too explosive of an issue. 15:34.500 --> 15:37.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It could cost Democrats vote if you went after that. 15:37.866 --> 15:40.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Yeah, I mean, it's not the thing that's going to help us 15:40.466 --> 15:42.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% win in the election this year. Right. 15:42.400 --> 15:45.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We just as the president folks, I'm certainly 15:45.633 --> 15:50.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% we've made such good, strong headway in gun violence. 15:50.266 --> 15:53.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% We don't feel that. 15:53.033 --> 15:54.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We feel like we've actually done 15:54.266 --> 15:54.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% really good 15:55.533 --> 15:58.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% accomplishment on this and we can afford to this year 15:58.833 --> 16:02.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% what we really have to focus on is implementation, right? 16:02.100 --> 16:05.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% We really have to focus on getting the most this 16:05.166 --> 16:08.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% the bills that we passed last year that are now law, 16:08.333 --> 16:11.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% those are the most impactful bills in all the states that are 16:11.533 --> 16:15.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% doing any kind of gun violence prevention or gun safety. 16:15.500 --> 16:17.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% And, you know, we really have to focus on 16:17.833 --> 16:20.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% how do we make those work for the people of Michigan. 16:20.900 --> 16:22.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% We don't want 16:22.300 --> 16:25.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% what happened right away as soon as those bills became law. 16:25.033 --> 16:25.266 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Right. 16:25.966 --> 16:27.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Two, three days later, a two year 16:27.300 --> 16:31.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% old who shoots herself in the face with their dad's gun, 16:31.000 --> 16:32.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it was one of a number of guns 16:32.300 --> 16:34.166 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% that he owned that were not safely stored. 16:34.166 --> 16:36.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And sure enough, the worst thing happened. 16:36.033 --> 16:38.500 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% That is not the way we want to have people 16:38.500 --> 16:41.900 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% learn about these new laws and how to use that. 16:41.900 --> 16:43.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And so it's on us. 16:43.666 --> 16:44.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% It's on the government 16:44.666 --> 16:46.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to make sure everybody knows what they're 16:46.333 --> 16:48.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% supposed to be doing and help them do that right. 16:48.433 --> 16:50.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So that's a huge part of what we're up to. 16:50.300 --> 16:51.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then there's other things 16:51.700 --> 16:54.433 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% that we can do in gun violence prevention 16:54.433 --> 16:58.400 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% that again, will have the biggest impact on 16:58.400 --> 17:01.366 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% gun that's gun shootings and gun deaths. 17:01.366 --> 17:02.433 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Senator, 17:02.733 --> 17:07.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% what's the track record on red flag laws around the country? 17:07.333 --> 17:09.400 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Red flag laws. 17:09.400 --> 17:10.400 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% What's one. Of your. 17:10.400 --> 17:14.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Opinions on the the the primary 17:14.000 --> 17:15.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% effectiveness for 17:15.000 --> 17:18.033 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% red flag laws is in suicide prevention. 17:18.033 --> 17:21.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And the effectiveness in states that have them for suicide 17:21.433 --> 17:25.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% reduction is between eight and about 18% reduction, 17:26.133 --> 17:28.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% which is a massive number. 17:28.600 --> 17:31.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Most gun deaths you might know this are suicide, right? 17:31.766 --> 17:35.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That's about two thirds around the country and in Michigan. 17:35.200 --> 17:37.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And so if you really want to impact 17:37.800 --> 17:43.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% the number of gun deaths and go after the biggest bucket 17:43.166 --> 17:45.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and extremist protection orders do that, 17:45.233 --> 17:47.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it's actually considered that 17:47.000 --> 17:50.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% it's probably more higher numbers in prevention 17:50.000 --> 17:53.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% than we can count because it's very difficult to track things 17:53.933 --> 17:55.133 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% that don't happen. 17:55.133 --> 17:57.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Right. It's easier to track suicides than to this. 17:57.100 --> 17:59.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Is it didn't happen. 17:59.000 --> 18:02.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But we know at least from just sheer drops in numbers, 18:02.066 --> 18:05.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% we can see the impact happening in states that have it. 18:05.766 --> 18:07.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% So but it also is on us 18:07.366 --> 18:09.166 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% to make sure that people understand it right. 18:09.166 --> 18:11.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% If they don't know about, it's not going to second 18:11.066 --> 18:12.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% make any difference. 18:12.266 --> 18:14.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So we're on that implementation piece right now. 18:14.700 --> 18:18.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Senator Burr, know that 18:18.200 --> 18:18.733 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% case. 18:18.733 --> 18:19.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% You've you cited 18:19.733 --> 18:20.333 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% the young girl, 18:20.833 --> 18:22.300 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% the two year old who shot herself with her 18:22.300 --> 18:24.300 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% dad's handgun the day after the new 18:24.300 --> 18:25.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the new law went into effect 18:25.966 --> 18:30.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for requiring parents to safely storage stored weapons. 18:30.133 --> 18:34.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% That parent was a felon 18:34.166 --> 18:37.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% who was prohibited from having guns. 18:37.366 --> 18:40.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% What are these new laws going to do to prevent 18:40.366 --> 18:44.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% people who are committing crimes 18:44.200 --> 18:49.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% from actually adhering to a law that says you need to store 18:49.700 --> 18:52.733 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% your handgun properly when you have kids around? 18:52.733 --> 18:55.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Yeah, all those things, right? 18:55.133 --> 18:58.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So the people are not supposed to have guns, have guns. 18:58.700 --> 19:01.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, the the background check laws that passed 19:01.900 --> 19:05.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the new the new law for us all 19:05.266 --> 19:08.533 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% will require every single firearm purchase 19:08.533 --> 19:10.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% or transfer to have a background check. 19:10.900 --> 19:12.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So we don't do that. 19:12.266 --> 19:15.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And before February of this year, we only did that 19:15.400 --> 19:18.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with a very small percentage of firearm exchanges 19:18.966 --> 19:23.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that would be with licensed dealers and only for handguns. 19:23.033 --> 19:25.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So it was very restrictive. 19:25.133 --> 19:30.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Now, even if you are passing a firearm on to a family member, 19:30.033 --> 19:31.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% you actually need to get a background check. 19:31.733 --> 19:33.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean, everybody needs to do that. 19:33.700 --> 19:38.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So people who don't and that includes people who have had 19:38.766 --> 19:39.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% some kind of commitment, 19:40.066 --> 19:43.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% mental health issue, people who should not have guns. 19:43.133 --> 19:45.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We're going to do our best to make sure they don't get them. 19:45.666 --> 19:47.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So that's the first piece, right? 19:47.400 --> 19:48.800 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% You start with that. 19:48.800 --> 19:51.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Let's make sure they don't even have any. 19:51.133 --> 19:53.666 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% But the second piece is, you know, where you do get it. 19:53.666 --> 19:56.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% If you buy a gun from a now even a gun show. 19:56.500 --> 19:58.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Right. You have to get a background check. 19:58.933 --> 20:01.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But they all have to make sure that people know the law. 20:01.866 --> 20:04.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So in those stores, in those gun shows, 20:04.800 --> 20:07.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is there is a posting that says, here's the law, here's 20:07.500 --> 20:09.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% the rules, here's the five year penalty 20:09.866 --> 20:11.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and the 15 year penalty, the fines, 20:11.266 --> 20:13.133 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% it will happen if something happens. 20:13.133 --> 20:14.633 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I mean, you have to sign a piece of paper 20:14.633 --> 20:17.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that says, I understand that 20:17.433 --> 20:21.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% this is an oh, sorry, 20:21.166 --> 20:21.766 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% go ahead. 20:22.366 --> 20:26.700 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% So we starting out talking about assault weapons. 20:26.700 --> 20:29.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I want to just make sure that I clearly understand. 20:29.133 --> 20:30.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You were saying that this year 20:30.233 --> 20:31.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% sort of about implementation, 20:31.700 --> 20:33.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% right, of red flag laws, 20:33.166 --> 20:35.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% universal background checks are things that have passed. 20:35.533 --> 20:38.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% There are some bills that have been introduced 20:38.600 --> 20:42.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that we've talked about before, the age requirement, 20:42.800 --> 20:44.166 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% for example. 20:44.166 --> 20:46.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Are you saying that, no, 20:46.100 --> 20:47.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% you don't think any new gun 20:47.400 --> 20:49.200 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% legislation will be passed this year 20:49.200 --> 20:51.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% or you still see some opportunities on that? 20:51.366 --> 20:53.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It was just the assault assault weapons? 20:53.966 --> 20:55.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Yeah, I don't know the answer. 20:55.400 --> 20:58.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so I don't actually control what's on the agenda, 20:58.733 --> 21:00.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to be honest. Right. 21:00.200 --> 21:01.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% We may introduce some of those bills 21:01.900 --> 21:04.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% because we have them and I think they're important. 21:04.333 --> 21:05.733 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% So, you know, over and over again, 21:05.733 --> 21:07.700 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% if nothing else, we should be talking about it. 21:07.700 --> 21:12.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We should be making a plan for what we can move those to law. 21:12.666 --> 21:14.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And we already have the bills. 21:14.600 --> 21:16.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Hope a whole bunch of them. 21:16.300 --> 21:18.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And in fact, there are some really interesting new things 21:18.700 --> 21:22.866 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% that folks are working on, things like 21:22.866 --> 21:24.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% manufacture, liability. 21:24.800 --> 21:26.700 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I mean, that's a really big deal. 21:26.700 --> 21:28.200 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% If we could do something like that, 21:28.200 --> 21:30.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% that could be something that could be 21:30.633 --> 21:31.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% replicated around the country. 21:31.933 --> 21:33.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Or maybe we could get it 21:33.166 --> 21:35.800 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% to our federal government in some way that we could 21:35.800 --> 21:38.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that that could have a tremendous impact. 21:38.933 --> 21:40.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% But there's other things. Go scans. 21:40.533 --> 21:42.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% You've heard of those guns. 21:42.166 --> 21:43.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% They don't have serial numbers 21:43.766 --> 21:46.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% either They're hand printed at home or they're, 21:46.600 --> 21:48.266 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, the serial numbers are removed 21:48.266 --> 21:50.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% as parts are exchanged within the firearms. 21:50.933 --> 21:52.400 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Periods, too, as well. 21:52.400 --> 21:54.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I know it's one bill that's been introduced. Yes. 21:54.766 --> 21:56.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We would love to see waiting periods. 21:56.333 --> 21:58.733 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% The other one that we've been talking about 21:58.733 --> 22:02.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% on that level is the we used to have these 22:02.633 --> 22:05.133 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% local gun review committees, right. 22:05.133 --> 22:09.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That they would actually approve people's purchases. 22:09.833 --> 22:11.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% And that was kind of an interesting idea. 22:11.533 --> 22:12.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And one of the things 22:12.866 --> 22:14.800 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% that I didn't even know about those, I learned about it 22:14.800 --> 22:16.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% from some of my people that I talk 22:16.666 --> 22:20.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to regularly who are gun owners who care about this. 22:20.233 --> 22:21.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% They want to make sure that 22:21.500 --> 22:22.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% people are safe and they want to make sure 22:22.866 --> 22:25.366 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% they can still have their own firearms 22:25.366 --> 22:27.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and they're happy to follow the rules. 22:27.033 --> 22:29.200 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% The things that they think have the biggest impact 22:29.200 --> 22:31.000 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% are things like having that local review, 22:31.000 --> 22:33.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% which is an interesting way to do it. 22:33.300 --> 22:37.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We in Michigan, I really love our local control, right? 22:37.033 --> 22:40.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And so when you can put something like that in the hands 22:40.033 --> 22:41.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% of your own community, 22:41.166 --> 22:43.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that somehow makes it feel better to people 22:43.466 --> 22:45.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% less about government out to get you sort of thing. 22:45.866 --> 22:49.666 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Senator, are. There any instances of 22:49.666 --> 22:52.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% encroachments on civil rights 22:52.633 --> 22:57.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of gun owners around the country under red flag laws? 22:57.533 --> 23:01.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That was one of the arguments against passing a red flag law 23:01.366 --> 23:05.466 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% that somehow somebody could be singled out by 23:05.466 --> 23:08.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% some kind of an enemy or a neighbor 23:08.066 --> 23:10.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that didn't like them and get them in trouble and, 23:10.933 --> 23:14.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you know, have them investigated and that sort of thing. 23:14.000 --> 23:16.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Are there are cases like that around the country? 23:16.300 --> 23:18.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Is that causing a problem or not? 23:18.700 --> 23:20.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% No, it's really not. 23:20.933 --> 23:21.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% And, you know, it's 23:22.133 --> 23:26.000 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% not happening as often as you would would think. 23:26.000 --> 23:27.166 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% I mean, people 23:27.166 --> 23:28.400 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% have an expectation 23:28.400 --> 23:30.366 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% that we're going to have an explosion of these 23:30.366 --> 23:32.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% and people are going to be filing 23:32.500 --> 23:34.233 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% complaints against their neighbors 23:34.233 --> 23:36.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or family members of people. 23:36.600 --> 23:37.400 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% You know, 23:37.866 --> 23:39.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And first of all, everything has to go through the judge. 23:39.333 --> 23:42.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% This is very much a adjudicated process. 23:42.100 --> 23:42.333 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Right? 23:43.300 --> 23:45.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So right at the first step, it has to make sense. 23:45.833 --> 23:48.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And there are penalties, just like anything else, 23:48.500 --> 23:51.600 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% for false reports. 23:51.600 --> 23:53.433 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% So we're very careful legally to do this. 23:53.433 --> 23:53.633 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Right. 23:53.966 --> 23:54.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% But what again, 23:55.300 --> 23:58.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% if we go back to the intent and the primary use of this 23:58.633 --> 24:02.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% particular set of legislation is about suicide prevention. 24:02.300 --> 24:05.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So the use of it from the other side, 24:05.066 --> 24:06.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% which people are most afraid of, right. 24:06.833 --> 24:09.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Going to a domestic violence situation or something 24:09.966 --> 24:13.400 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% like that. I guess the completely 24:13.400 --> 24:15.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% if you go to a domestic violence situation, that's 24:15.366 --> 24:16.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where people are really worried, right? 24:16.933 --> 24:18.600 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% You're going to take my guns away 24:18.600 --> 24:20.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and you know, that's not fair. 24:20.700 --> 24:25.166 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And those just don't happen very often. The 24:25.166 --> 24:28.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% even the just the number of guns that appear on average 24:28.100 --> 24:30.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% around the country and states that do this, 24:30.533 --> 24:34.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they end up getting picked up and safely stored at a police 24:34.133 --> 24:36.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% station is like, 24:36.433 --> 24:37.466 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, 24:37.466 --> 24:40.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% one or two per police station per year. 24:40.333 --> 24:43.133 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% So there's an interesting little turf war 24:43.133 --> 24:44.966 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% going on in the Education Department 24:44.966 --> 24:47.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% as the governor has come in and rearranged everything. 24:47.700 --> 24:49.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% It was the governor right, to take all that stuff 24:49.766 --> 24:53.933 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% away from the state school superintendent. 24:53.933 --> 24:57.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Well, right is a judgment not to do that. 24:57.900 --> 25:00.033 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I ask, have you heard the actual. 25:00.033 --> 25:01.000 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Do you support it? 25:01.000 --> 25:03.300 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Did you support that? 25:03.300 --> 25:05.133 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% I support parts of it, to be honest. 25:05.133 --> 25:08.566 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% I you know, I understand the goal because we 25:08.566 --> 25:12.133 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% are struggling to improve our education system and, 25:12.133 --> 25:15.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you know, everybody has been looking for ways to do that. 25:15.033 --> 25:17.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% One approach is to and I think that from the 25:17.866 --> 25:20.200 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% if you look at it from the outside, 25:20.200 --> 25:22.966 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% to be able to really focus on early childhood 25:22.966 --> 25:26.233 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% more than we have been able to makes a lot of sense to me. 25:26.233 --> 25:29.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The more I worked in this space before I became a senator 25:29.900 --> 25:33.400 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% on the data side, 25:33.400 --> 25:35.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% the more we invested in 25:35.733 --> 25:38.666 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% early childhood, the better return on the investment. 25:38.666 --> 25:40.933 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% But the governor, the governor overreached. 25:40.933 --> 25:43.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% She went way beyond that, right? 25:43.300 --> 25:45.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Yeah. So that's harder on the other parts. 25:45.500 --> 25:49.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If you look at the after school programs, for example, 25:49.166 --> 25:51.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and even the four year olds, the great start, 25:51.766 --> 25:54.900 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% those are mostly hosted within a school. 25:54.900 --> 25:58.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so you're kind of saying, okay, in the same building, 25:58.000 --> 25:58.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in the same setting, 25:59.200 --> 26:01.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the same people who are running the show there, 26:01.966 --> 26:03.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% here's one department 26:03.100 --> 26:05.366 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% doing the four year olds, then we have 12 26:05.366 --> 26:07.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and then we have another department doing this. 26:07.033 --> 26:09.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And the after school staff is another. 26:09.433 --> 26:13.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, it's it's too many different things in one place. 26:13.533 --> 26:16.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It's a lot for the school system to have to deal with. 26:16.100 --> 26:17.933 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% We don't know what the impact will be 26:17.933 --> 26:20.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of that at this point in time. We don't know. 26:20.500 --> 26:23.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% But most schools now have some kind of arm. 26:23.900 --> 26:26.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I got to get in here. 26:26.133 --> 26:27.200 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% And sorry. 26:27.200 --> 26:28.533 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% We're going to we're going to slop over 26:28.533 --> 26:30.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% into great performances, which you just gave. 26:30.866 --> 26:32.566 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% Thank you for joining us on our programs. 26:32.566 --> 26:33.600 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Always good to see you. 26:33.600 --> 26:34.400 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Thanks to our panel. 26:34.966 --> 26:38.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% See you all right here for more Off the Record next week. 26:38.300 --> 26:40.533 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Production of Off the Record is made possible, 26:40.533 --> 26:43.666 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% in part by Martin Waymire, a full service 26:43.666 --> 26:45.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% strategic communications agency 26:45.733 --> 26:48.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% partnering with clients through public relations, 26:48.066 --> 26:51.000 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% digital marketing and public policy engagement. 26:51.000 --> 26:54.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Learn more at Martin Waymire dot com. 26:54.466 --> 26:58.166 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% For more off the record, visit wkar.org. 26:58.166 --> 27:00.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Michigan public television stations have contributed 27:00.500 --> 27:45.900 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% to the production costs of Off the Record.