WEBVTT 00:00.033 --> 00:00.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ♪ 00:00.266 --> 00:06.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Major funding for "Reporters 00:06.000 --> 00:07.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Roundtable" with David Cruz is 00:07.366 --> 00:08.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% provided by RWJBarnabas Health, 00:08.000 --> 00:12.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% let's be healthy together. 00:12.700 --> 00:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ♪ 00:14.366 --> 00:27.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Another year, another 00:27.500 --> 00:31.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% series of just so jersey 00:31.066 --> 00:32.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% happenings. 00:32.000 --> 00:32.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Hey, everybody. 00:32.366 --> 00:34.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is Reporters Roundtable. 00:34.433 --> 00:37.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'm David crisp radar final 00:37.333 --> 00:39.433 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% panel of 2024 includes Colleen 00:39.433 --> 00:45.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% O'Day, Peter Kenneth Burns, and 00:45.466 --> 00:45.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles Stiles. 00:45.833 --> 00:51.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We are going to begin today with 00:51.566 --> 00:55.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a look at this momentous year in 00:55.133 --> 00:55.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% New Jersey. 00:55.433 --> 00:56.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% The gold bars, the party line, 00:56.366 --> 00:58.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and drones in the night by 00:58.566 --> 01:03.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% saying hello to the director for 01:03.533 --> 01:05.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% New Jersey politics, Micah 01:05.300 --> 01:07.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Rasmussen. 01:07.600 --> 01:08.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Welcome back to the show. 01:08.300 --> 01:10.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Thank you for having me. 01:10.200 --> 01:12.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: You are at the Statehouse 01:12.800 --> 01:13.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% today? 01:13.000 --> 01:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I am. 01:14.366 --> 01:16.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: You have kids there? 01:16.633 --> 01:19.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I have a bunch of high school 01:19.033 --> 01:21.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% kids running party platforms and 01:21.800 --> 01:22.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% all kinds of good stuff here. 01:22.400 --> 01:25.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Good stuff. 01:25.000 --> 01:28.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Listen, I've been around a while 01:28.566 --> 01:30.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and grew up in Hudson County, so 01:30.433 --> 01:31.066 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I have experienced my share of 01:31.066 --> 01:33.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% outlandishness from David 01:33.966 --> 01:39.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Friedland, but 2024 was kind of 01:39.133 --> 01:39.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% epic, no? 01:39.933 --> 01:42.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: I completely agree. 01:42.333 --> 01:48.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Boy, if you can write the ark of 01:48.466 --> 01:52.333 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Bob Menendez in the indictment 01:52.333 --> 01:53.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and then the convictions, and 01:53.966 --> 01:55.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% then Andy Kim coming in and 01:55.933 --> 01:57.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Tammy Murphy coming in and the 01:57.133 --> 01:59.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% party line because it was denied 01:59.466 --> 02:01.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to him, it is one big story. 02:01.033 --> 02:06.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 2024 is one big arc and story 02:06.200 --> 02:07.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with so much packed into it. 02:07.100 --> 02:07.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is unbelievable. 02:07.566 --> 02:10.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Looking back on what we live 02:10.133 --> 02:11.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% through and how much has changed 02:11.366 --> 02:11.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is unbelievable. 02:11.733 --> 02:14.300 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% David: You touched on a couple 02:14.300 --> 02:14.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of those things. 02:14.666 --> 02:15.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% So much to choose from. 02:15.600 --> 02:18.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What is number one on your list 02:18.700 --> 02:22.066 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% of moment is events this year? 02:22.066 --> 02:23.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I know that is a hard one to 02:23.866 --> 02:24.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pick. 02:24.233 --> 02:28.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: The biggest surprise for 02:28.600 --> 02:30.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% me, which may be is not exactly 02:30.566 --> 02:31.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% what you asked, but I think the 02:31.233 --> 02:33.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fact that Menendez is guilty on 02:33.533 --> 02:38.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% every single count, he 02:38.166 --> 02:38.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% immediately became a nonfactor. 02:38.800 --> 02:40.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We expected the jury to convict 02:40.866 --> 02:41.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% him of something, but 02:41.833 --> 02:42.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everything? 02:42.166 --> 02:45.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% How sloppy can an incumbent U.S. 02:45.666 --> 02:46.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% veteran Senator be? 02:46.200 --> 02:50.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It was a decisive slam dunk and 02:50.333 --> 02:50.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% left no daylight. 02:50.733 --> 02:52.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% After that, we were not even 02:52.800 --> 02:55.333 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% thinking about his appeals and 02:55.333 --> 02:55.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the world just kind of moved on 02:55.966 --> 02:56.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% from him. 02:56.333 --> 02:59.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It was such a stunning fall. 02:59.466 --> 03:03.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: You made the point of how 03:03.233 --> 03:03.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this is one story. 03:03.633 --> 03:05.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They all kind of impacted one 03:05.866 --> 03:06.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% another. 03:06.100 --> 03:09.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Menendez, that whole action 03:09.433 --> 03:11.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% started last year, but carried 03:11.000 --> 03:14.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5%   over. 03:14.600 --> 03:15.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Menendez led to Tammy Murphy and 03:15.300 --> 03:20.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Andy Kim, and then the line 03:20.366 --> 03:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lawsuit. 03:20.600 --> 03:22.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We should also give an honorable 03:22.033 --> 03:24.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mention to Patricia compos 03:24.400 --> 03:31.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Medina --Campos Medina, who 03:31.533 --> 03:34.100 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% gave us a timeline of politics 03:34.100 --> 03:34.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% over the summer. 03:34.533 --> 03:34.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Here she is. 03:34.933 --> 03:38.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trying to keep her out, you 03:38.200 --> 03:39.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% know? 03:39.500 --> 03:45.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Micah: A picture is worth 1000 03:45.133 --> 03:47.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% words, and it shows the lastgasp 03:47.933 --> 03:49.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of the old way of doing 03:49.733 --> 03:50.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% business. 03:50.000 --> 03:53.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: It struck me as I was 03:53.133 --> 03:55.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% getting ready for today that 03:55.200 --> 03:59.400 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Andy Kim and Tammy Murphy, ARM 03:59.400 --> 04:01.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decidedly on different 04:01.533 --> 04:01.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% trajectories. 04:01.866 --> 04:03.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: Absolutely. 04:03.233 --> 04:06.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% So I completely agree. 04:06.366 --> 04:08.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Andy Kim, in terms of 04:08.466 --> 04:10.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% consequence, I think Andy Kim is 04:10.900 --> 04:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% immediately easily the most 04:14.366 --> 04:15.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% consequential politician elected 04:15.300 --> 04:15.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% official we patted New Jersey 04:15.900 --> 04:18.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% now in decades, in generations. 04:18.233 --> 04:20.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The changes that he brought 04:20.433 --> 04:21.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about. 04:21.866 --> 04:22.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is important to remember. 04:22.466 --> 04:26.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do not want to call accidental 04:26.566 --> 04:27.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reform because he's committed to 04:27.833 --> 04:29.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it, but what I mean as he was 04:29.066 --> 04:31.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% forced into this position I did 04:31.300 --> 04:31.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not pick these fights. 04:31.766 --> 04:34.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He did not deny the line or take 04:34.833 --> 04:35.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% no for an answer. 04:35.233 --> 04:38.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% He said he had to find another 04:38.366 --> 04:39.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% way and it led to this 04:39.633 --> 04:40.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% consequential change. 04:40.133 --> 04:43.066 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% On how candidates are selected 04:43.066 --> 04:43.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for office. 04:43.366 --> 04:48.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And it drags the party out of 04:48.933 --> 04:50.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that trademark and that 04:50.066 --> 04:51.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ownership they have had over the 04:51.400 --> 04:51.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   process. 04:51.700 --> 04:53.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They lost control of the process 04:53.466 --> 04:54.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% now and now the voters really 04:54.166 --> 04:55.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% will decide. 04:55.500 --> 04:57.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Imagine that, the voters decide 04:57.366 --> 04:58.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the primary who the 04:58.600 --> 04:59.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% candidates will be for the 04:59.133 --> 04:59.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fault. 04:59.333 --> 05:02.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- for the fall. 05:02.400 --> 05:03.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Parties will do that anymore by 05:03.800 --> 05:04.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% themselves anyway. 05:04.200 --> 05:06.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: What is the end of the 05:06.566 --> 05:07.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% line mean going forward? 05:07.600 --> 05:11.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is it affecting -- is it 05:11.566 --> 05:12.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% affecting strategy right now 05:12.133 --> 05:12.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that we can see? 05:12.500 --> 05:14.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: It is. 05:14.400 --> 05:21.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% You have two front runners and 05:21.000 --> 05:22.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the two members of Congress who 05:22.000 --> 05:23.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are still trying to cobble 05:23.133 --> 05:29.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% together as much party 05:29.366 --> 05:31.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% support as they can, and it 05:31.300 --> 05:31.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% means something. 05:31.700 --> 05:33.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They still have fundraising, 05:33.033 --> 05:35.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they still have organization 05:35.533 --> 05:35.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ability. 05:35.766 --> 05:38.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They still have the know-how on 05:38.366 --> 05:38.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% how to run campaigns in their 05:38.966 --> 05:42.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% counties, so the fact she is 05:42.000 --> 05:43.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lining up a lot of support in 05:43.533 --> 05:45.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the counties is significant, but 05:45.600 --> 05:47.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% what it means, I think, is that 05:47.700 --> 05:48.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% other candidates who don't get 05:48.366 --> 05:50.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that support are not out of the 05:50.000 --> 05:50.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% water. 05:50.366 --> 05:52.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They have a viable path to go 05:52.866 --> 05:53.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% directly to voters. 05:53.300 --> 05:54.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Will it work? 05:54.633 --> 05:57.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We don't know, but we know they 05:57.366 --> 05:57.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are not down or out. 05:57.833 --> 06:00.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The way Tammy Murphy was last 06:00.833 --> 06:02.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year or the weight other 06:02.266 --> 06:04.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% candidates had gone away once 06:04.366 --> 06:07.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they supported party 06:07.200 --> 06:07.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% organizations, now there is 06:07.766 --> 06:08.900 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% another way to make this work. 06:08.900 --> 06:11.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Let's see if that outside lane 06:11.366 --> 06:13.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% if that really does turn out to 06:13.866 --> 06:14.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% be something that can be done in 06:14.500 --> 06:15.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this new system. 06:15.200 --> 06:17.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Running out of time. 06:17.200 --> 06:22.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trump effect on Jersey politics, 06:22.166 --> 06:23.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% clearly he did better in New 06:23.100 --> 06:26.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey than expected, and now 06:26.966 --> 06:27.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there are Republican candidates 06:27.600 --> 06:28.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for governor next year. 06:28.100 --> 06:30.833 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Most of them seem to be trying 06:30.833 --> 06:35.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to say who was Trump here? 06:35.533 --> 06:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% One may benefit the most from 06:38.400 --> 06:42.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% his association to the shadow of 06:42.000 --> 06:43.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Donald Trump. 06:43.033 --> 06:46.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% But the most loyal of the 06:46.100 --> 06:50.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republicans has been the 06:50.200 --> 06:52.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% trucker, Ed Dern, no? 06:52.133 --> 06:54.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: I agree. 06:54.900 --> 06:55.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jack is not seen as someone who 06:55.700 --> 06:57.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% was with Trump from the 06:57.466 --> 06:57.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% beginning. 06:57.733 --> 07:02.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And he is hoping it endears him, 07:02.533 --> 07:06.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but Trump will remember that in 07:06.800 --> 07:07.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% past cycles, he wasn't the 07:07.500 --> 07:08.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% quickest to come around. 07:08.000 --> 07:10.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He's almost like the guy who has 07:10.400 --> 07:11.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a problem with both sides 07:11.966 --> 07:14.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% because he is also the guy who 07:14.000 --> 07:14.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% was at the stop and steal rally. 07:14.633 --> 07:17.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% You are right that we will be 07:17.833 --> 07:18.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hearing a lot about the fact 07:18.566 --> 07:19.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that he used to be pretty 07:19.100 --> 07:22.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reasonable and said he wanted a 07:22.566 --> 07:24.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% viable path to citizenship, and 07:24.633 --> 07:27.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% now he has abandoned the Trump 07:27.000 --> 07:27.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% position and run from that as 07:27.866 --> 07:28.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% quickly as he can. 07:28.300 --> 07:30.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% You are right, the guy who has 07:30.566 --> 07:33.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% been there all along probably 07:33.400 --> 07:34.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% has the least viable path to the 07:34.033 --> 07:34.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nomination. 07:34.700 --> 07:38.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: We are pretty sure the 07:38.066 --> 07:39.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fields on the Democratic side is 07:39.266 --> 07:39.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% set. 07:39.433 --> 07:42.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I would run through all the 07:42.833 --> 07:43.466 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% names but I'd run out of time. 07:43.466 --> 07:43.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: [LAUGHTER] 07:43.866 --> 07:47.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: There is a poll that 07:47.266 --> 07:48.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% shows supposedly Mikey Cheryl is 07:48.566 --> 07:50.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% leading. 07:50.166 --> 07:51.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I would think that is more name 07:51.966 --> 07:52.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% recognition than anything, 07:52.500 --> 07:52.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right? 07:52.766 --> 07:54.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: I agree. 07:54.966 --> 07:57.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Also the fact that she is the 07:57.233 --> 08:00.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% only woman -- he is able to 08:00.700 --> 08:01.433 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% distinguish yourself just in a 08:01.433 --> 08:02.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% poll by being someone who stands 08:02.066 --> 08:04.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% out from four white guys in the 08:04.866 --> 08:05.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   race. 08:05.133 --> 08:08.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That can change as name 08:08.133 --> 08:08.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% recognition changes on the 08:08.666 --> 08:09.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% campaign unfolds. 08:09.066 --> 08:11.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% But it is a strength for her, 08:11.900 --> 08:12.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and you would rather be heard 08:12.533 --> 08:12.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% them not. 08:12.800 --> 08:14.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: I would like to bring 08:14.466 --> 08:17.866 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% this up because we were mostly 08:17.866 --> 08:18.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% joking about it, but Josh 08:18.400 --> 08:22.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Gottheimer's Springsteen bona 08:22.133 --> 08:26.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% fides, lesser things have sunk 08:26.566 --> 08:26.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% campaigns. 08:26.833 --> 08:31.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% That is something that goes to 08:31.533 --> 08:32.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% authenticity, no? 08:32.633 --> 08:35.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Micah: I never expected to get a 08:35.800 --> 08:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% phone call from "the Washington 08:38.400 --> 08:39.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Post" about it yesterday. 08:39.233 --> 08:43.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This was national news now. 08:43.733 --> 08:44.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Real Jersey stuff here. 08:44.233 --> 08:48.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: What is your sense on 08:48.966 --> 08:49.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% what the governor, the current 08:49.600 --> 08:50.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Governor, does next? 08:50.833 --> 08:56.833 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% He has been cozy also with the 08:56.833 --> 08:57.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% president and called him a good 08:57.666 --> 08:59.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% friend the other day. 08:59.400 --> 09:02.933 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Micah: This is a year on which 09:02.933 --> 09:04.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we will see things winding down. 09:04.833 --> 09:07.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% In a way, he hastened his own 09:07.500 --> 09:09.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lame-duck status. 09:09.933 --> 09:10.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I probably will get in trouble 09:10.566 --> 09:13.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for saying that, but at least 09:13.766 --> 09:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% politically, by putting it on 09:14.366 --> 09:16.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the line for his wife' Senate 09:16.033 --> 09:16.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   run. 09:16.266 --> 09:19.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It may have been a smart family 09:19.566 --> 09:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% move, and he may have been happy 09:20.600 --> 09:23.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with that decision, but it puts 09:23.233 --> 09:23.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% his political status into 09:23.766 --> 09:24.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question. 09:24.033 --> 09:26.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Maybe he doesn't care about that 09:26.466 --> 09:27.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and will finish his term. 09:27.000 --> 09:34.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% From here on out, it is picking 09:34.000 --> 09:34.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more of that as the cabinet MPs. 09:34.833 --> 09:38.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Second term is as 09:38.700 --> 09:39.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% consequentialist first terms. 09:39.300 --> 09:42.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have budget cutbacks. 09:42.566 --> 09:45.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: That is a good sports 09:45.200 --> 09:47.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% metaphor. 09:47.533 --> 09:51.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Michael Rasmussen, always good 09:51.533 --> 09:54.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to talk -- Micah Rasmussen, 09:54.366 --> 09:54.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% always good to talk to you. 09:54.933 --> 09:55.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% See you next year. 09:55.533 --> 10:00.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Panel, Colleen, Charles, Kenny, 10:00.766 --> 10:01.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% good to see you all. 10:01.200 --> 10:03.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Let's start with you, Charlie. 10:03.566 --> 10:06.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What stories helped shape the 10:06.766 --> 10:09.800 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% year for you and what is still 10:09.800 --> 10:10.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impacting things? 10:10.200 --> 10:15.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charlie: I clearly think the 10:15.166 --> 10:18.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% destruction of the line and the 10:18.833 --> 10:20.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% crumbling of Bob Menendez is 10:20.000 --> 10:22.200 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% totally correct, it is one big 10:22.200 --> 10:26.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% storyline, and then emergence of 10:26.000 --> 10:29.800 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Andy Kim, but I think Andy Kim 10:29.800 --> 10:31.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% looking forward has made it very 10:31.100 --> 10:34.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% clear that this is a starting 10:34.400 --> 10:34.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% point. 10:34.600 --> 10:37.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He sees himself as a leader of a 10:37.366 --> 10:41.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% new -- he does not use the word 10:41.900 --> 10:42.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% progressive, but he sees himself 10:42.566 --> 10:44.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% as a leader of a new movement 10:44.800 --> 10:47.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is sort of going to change 10:47.500 --> 10:50.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% politics, primarily in the 10:50.333 --> 10:50.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Democratic Party. 10:50.733 --> 10:54.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I was told last night that 10:54.300 --> 10:54.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hearing the fundraiser of 10:54.833 --> 10:57.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Princeton for Andrew's liquor, 10:57.133 --> 10:59.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% he was urging Democrats -- 10:59.200 --> 11:02.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Andrew, he was urging Democrats 11:02.533 --> 11:03.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to reach out to Republicans and 11:03.300 --> 11:05.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% make contact and listen to them 11:05.633 --> 11:07.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and understand them. 11:07.600 --> 11:10.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think he has brought 11:10.133 --> 11:11.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ambitions, and I think you're 11:11.100 --> 11:12.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to see him be a 11:12.600 --> 11:14.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% significant leader going forward 11:14.966 --> 11:15.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the next year. 11:15.366 --> 11:18.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Colleen, what do you come 11:18.766 --> 11:19.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% up with when you look back at 11:19.833 --> 11:20.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 2024? 11:20.033 --> 11:24.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I guess we are all in agreement 11:24.100 --> 11:24.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that Andy Kim is the story of 11:24.700 --> 11:24.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the year. 11:24.966 --> 11:29.100 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% What Andy Kim, he got the line 11:29.100 --> 11:31.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% controversy. 11:31.600 --> 11:32.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He got the end of Tammy Murphy. 11:32.366 --> 11:36.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: As everyone else has 11:36.333 --> 11:37.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% said so far, it seems like 11:37.533 --> 11:39.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everything is kind of tangled up 11:39.266 --> 11:42.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and connected together.I do 11:42.333 --> 11:44.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think the rise of Andy Kim is 11:44.466 --> 11:46.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% one of the biggest stories of 11:46.033 --> 11:46.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the year. 11:46.300 --> 11:54.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If you think of August 2023, he 11:54.200 --> 11:55.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% was a little-known South Jersey 11:55.500 --> 11:57.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Congressman who seemed very 11:57.700 --> 11:58.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% soft-spoken. 11:58.133 --> 12:03.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He did clean up the capitol 12:03.166 --> 12:04.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% after the riot, so he was known 12:04.633 --> 12:08.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for that, but today he is a 12:08.333 --> 12:10.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state, and a State Senator that 12:10.633 --> 12:13.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people are looking for, looking 12:13.033 --> 12:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to for guidance. 12:14.366 --> 12:19.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% As Charlie just said, he is kind 12:19.533 --> 12:20.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of thinking outside the box and 12:20.166 --> 12:23.200 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% talking about being respectful 12:23.200 --> 12:23.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and talking to others. 12:23.666 --> 12:26.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Look during that first debate 12:26.366 --> 12:32.733 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% when there was a little glitch 12:32.733 --> 12:33.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% or whatever happened, and he was 12:33.500 --> 12:35.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the first one to go up and say, 12:35.200 --> 12:35.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are you OK? 12:35.600 --> 12:38.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% He seems like a different kind 12:38.600 --> 12:39.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of politician at this point. 12:39.200 --> 12:42.666 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% David: All of it is tangled up 12:42.666 --> 12:43.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% altogether, isn't it? 12:43.166 --> 12:44.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What sticks out for you? 12:44.766 --> 12:50.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: Not to sound too 12:50.333 --> 12:51.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% repetitive, definitely the 12:51.033 --> 12:54.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% abolishment or the killing of 12:54.233 --> 12:55.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the line at this point. 12:55.100 --> 12:58.066 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Andy Kim is definitely the man 12:58.066 --> 13:02.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to watch going into 2025. 13:02.400 --> 13:05.666 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Bob Menendez, remember, it was 13:05.666 --> 13:06.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% on this program where I wrote 13:06.266 --> 13:12.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that epitaph with that in mind, 13:12.166 --> 13:12.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Bobby gold bars is done. 13:12.666 --> 13:16.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If we are going to talk 13:16.166 --> 13:16.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reasonably, there is George 13:16.900 --> 13:17.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Norcross who got indicted this 13:17.533 --> 13:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year after many years of 13:20.600 --> 13:22.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% activists saying this guys no 13:22.833 --> 13:25.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% good, after the federal 13:25.333 --> 13:26.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% government probed him. 13:26.600 --> 13:32.600 align:left position:15% line:71% size:75% Matt plaque in -- Matt Plaken 13:32.600 --> 13:34.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% got an indictment and initial 13:34.800 --> 13:38.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gravitas, George Norcross sat on 13:38.033 --> 13:38.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the front row of his press 13:38.600 --> 13:40.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conference, hearing the 13:40.200 --> 13:43.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% indictment. 13:43.333 --> 13:43.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% When the lawyers are going 13:43.866 --> 13:44.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back-and-forth now. 13:44.300 --> 13:48.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Next month, January 2025, is 13:48.633 --> 13:49.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% when we will hear the oral 13:49.166 --> 13:51.500 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% arguments of why those charges 13:51.500 --> 13:52.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% should get dismissed. 13:52.066 --> 13:54.966 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% The question is, will they get 13:54.966 --> 13:55.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% dismissed? 13:55.233 --> 13:56.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is up to the judge at this 13:56.866 --> 13:57.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% point. 13:57.066 --> 13:59.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: I asked this to Micah 13:59.466 --> 14:03.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% before and said that Andy Kim 14:03.066 --> 14:05.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and Tammy Murphy were undecided 14:05.466 --> 14:07.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% and on different trajectories. 14:07.566 --> 14:10.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen, how much has what 14:10.200 --> 14:10.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% happened with Tammy Murphy 14:10.933 --> 14:13.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impacted or how much will it 14:13.166 --> 14:14.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impact her future political 14:14.900 --> 14:15.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% endeavors? 14:15.200 --> 14:19.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: I do think that she is 14:19.400 --> 14:20.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not going to go away, if 14:20.966 --> 14:21.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% possible. 14:21.600 --> 14:24.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I think Phil Murphy is sending 14:24.133 --> 14:27.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% out many more emails and 14:27.066 --> 14:33.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fundraising fees over going 14:33.133 --> 14:33.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% forward, which we have not seen 14:33.766 --> 14:35.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for happening for most of the 14:35.433 --> 14:37.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governorship. 14:37.433 --> 14:38.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% She clearly has ambitions. 14:38.266 --> 14:41.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is it that Phil would like to be 14:41.566 --> 14:44.233 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% president, might she try for a 14:44.233 --> 14:45.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% congressional seat? 14:45.600 --> 14:46.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Who knows? 14:46.300 --> 14:49.033 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I certainly don't think either 14:49.033 --> 14:49.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of them is going away. 14:49.500 --> 14:51.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: What about the Trump 14:51.566 --> 14:53.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% effect on New Jersey? 14:53.866 --> 14:57.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Politically for the GOP, we have 14:57.466 --> 14:59.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% established that one is the 14:59.500 --> 15:11.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trumpiest of all, but what 15:11.500 --> 15:13.166 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% impact do you think Trump will 15:13.166 --> 15:13.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have on to a 25? 15:13.533 --> 15:14.166 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Kenny: It will definitely have 15:14.166 --> 15:14.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% an impact. 15:14.433 --> 15:15.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Which way it will go is hard to 15:15.066 --> 15:15.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say at this point. 15:15.466 --> 15:17.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Looking at history at the top of 15:17.566 --> 15:21.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% my head, usually the party that 15:21.333 --> 15:22.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is in the White House -- at 15:22.966 --> 15:23.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% least in New Jersey we have seen 15:23.600 --> 15:24.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the opposite take effect. 15:24.133 --> 15:30.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For example, President Obama won 15:30.966 --> 15:31.933 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% in 2008 and then the following 15:31.933 --> 15:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year he got Chris Christie. 15:32.500 --> 15:35.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trump won his first term and 15:35.900 --> 15:36.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% then we got a Governor Murphy. 15:36.533 --> 15:39.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Whether it stays in Democratic 15:39.533 --> 15:42.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hands -- I'm not so sure because 15:42.966 --> 15:44.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the usual thing in politics 15:44.366 --> 15:45.033 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% we've had the last 20 years is 15:45.033 --> 15:45.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% way different now. 15:45.466 --> 15:51.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Charlie, Trump impact on 15:51.733 --> 15:54.866 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% the Republicans going forward? 15:54.866 --> 15:55.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The gubernatorial candidates? 15:55.466 --> 15:58.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: Definitely Trump is 15:58.366 --> 16:03.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% energized the party a little 16:03.566 --> 16:03.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bit. 16:03.733 --> 16:07.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I don't know the latest tally of 16:07.600 --> 16:09.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% total raw votes that he gained. 16:09.533 --> 16:13.666 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I think it is -- maybe Colleen 16:13.666 --> 16:14.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% knows that number. 16:14.066 --> 16:17.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% At one point, it was 35, 40,000. 16:17.166 --> 16:20.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'm sure it is almost double 16:20.700 --> 16:20.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that. 16:20.900 --> 16:21.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think it is. 16:21.233 --> 16:23.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: I think it is about 86. 16:23.533 --> 16:26.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: 86,000. 16:26.400 --> 16:30.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think the number, though, 16:30.000 --> 16:30.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% before the Republicans get a 16:30.566 --> 16:34.166 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% little too ahead of their skis 16:34.166 --> 16:35.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is that the turnout of Democrats 16:35.533 --> 16:38.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% was very much depressed. 16:38.366 --> 16:42.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think there was like a 17% 16:42.466 --> 16:45.666 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% drop from Harris' numbers from 16:45.666 --> 16:46.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Biden's in 2020. 16:46.800 --> 16:49.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is still pretty significant. 16:49.633 --> 16:53.566 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I think the wildcard in all of 16:53.566 --> 16:55.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this for the Trump effect on 16:55.200 --> 16:58.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% 2025 is Trump and his conduct, 16:58.133 --> 16:59.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% once he gets into office. 16:59.500 --> 17:00.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is he going to do boneheaded 17:00.433 --> 17:03.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% things like really start taking 17:03.100 --> 17:06.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people, immigrants, off their 17:06.700 --> 17:09.933 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% worksites and out of homes and 17:09.933 --> 17:11.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% creating an uproar and 17:11.066 --> 17:11.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% embarrassment? 17:11.633 --> 17:15.666 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Is he going to start pardoning 17:15.666 --> 17:17.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% January 6 -- he says he's going 17:17.700 --> 17:21.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to do that -- January people who 17:21.866 --> 17:23.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are convicted? 17:23.566 --> 17:24.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is he going to do a lot of 17:24.233 --> 17:27.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% things that are going to force 17:27.366 --> 17:32.233 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% the public to turn their heads 17:32.233 --> 17:34.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in a 360 degree fashion and say, 17:34.866 --> 17:35.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% wait, I did not sign up for 17:35.433 --> 17:35.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that? 17:35.633 --> 17:38.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is not the way I would like 17:38.066 --> 17:38.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% my country to be governed. 17:38.600 --> 17:42.033 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I think there is the potential 17:42.033 --> 17:44.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of some of that affecting the 17:44.700 --> 17:45.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican race. 17:45.066 --> 17:48.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Finally, I would like to say, at 17:48.000 --> 17:50.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the end of the day, despite the 17:50.366 --> 17:51.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% new energy in the Republican 17:51.400 --> 17:52.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% party to win New Jersey, you 17:52.400 --> 17:53.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% still have to be in the middle. 17:53.600 --> 17:57.300 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% And Trump is still a pariah in 17:57.300 --> 17:57.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the general election. 17:57.900 --> 18:02.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: Real quick to your point 18:02.133 --> 18:05.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about immigration, I think that 18:05.866 --> 18:07.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% might -- I think there are more 18:07.500 --> 18:08.300 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% people out there who side with 18:08.300 --> 18:11.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trump than you realize more than 18:11.033 --> 18:11.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we realize. 18:11.333 --> 18:13.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% I was watching a YouTube video 18:13.533 --> 18:18.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in Chicago, where you had Black 18:18.233 --> 18:19.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% residents confronting the mayor 18:19.633 --> 18:20.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% over sanctuary city policies. 18:20.400 --> 18:22.366 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% You have the mayor of the road 18:22.366 --> 18:24.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in New York who says I will sit 18:24.066 --> 18:24.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% down with Trump. 18:24.433 --> 18:27.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% At this point, it might look 18:27.633 --> 18:31.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% horrible if -- to your point, it 18:31.733 --> 18:32.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% depends on how Trump carries 18:32.833 --> 18:33.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% himself. 18:33.066 --> 18:35.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I would not be surprised if 18:35.800 --> 18:38.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people are thinking if they are 18:38.966 --> 18:40.066 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% not in this country illegally, 18:40.066 --> 18:41.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they have to go -- legally, they 18:41.966 --> 18:42.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have to go. 18:42.633 --> 18:44.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: I will say -- 18:44.166 --> 18:47.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: I will say once you start 18:47.000 --> 18:48.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% losing your health care workers 18:48.833 --> 18:51.533 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% and your store clerks and your 18:51.533 --> 18:52.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cleaning crews and all of those 18:52.600 --> 18:53.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people -- 18:53.066 --> 18:54.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: Lawn maintenance crews. 18:54.933 --> 18:58.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Once that starts 18:58.066 --> 18:59.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% impacting the economy, people 18:59.033 --> 19:00.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are going to say, well, where is 19:00.600 --> 19:02.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% my guy? 19:02.433 --> 19:07.133 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Kenny: That's half the country 19:07.133 --> 19:08.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- he is out of the country, 19:08.366 --> 19:08.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that is what happened to your 19:08.966 --> 19:09.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   guy. 19:09.200 --> 19:11.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: And who are owning 19:11.133 --> 19:11.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% those companies? 19:11.533 --> 19:14.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They are not liberal Democrats. 19:14.933 --> 19:15.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They are Republicans. 19:15.400 --> 19:17.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They are going to be in war with 19:17.700 --> 19:18.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% their people. 19:18.033 --> 19:20.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And then there is the impact on 19:20.500 --> 19:21.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% inflation if we start driving up 19:21.966 --> 19:26.400 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% the cost of labor, it is going 19:26.400 --> 19:27.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to -- 19:27.600 --> 19:29.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: And with tariffs. 19:29.466 --> 19:33.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% David: I'm going to move on on 19:33.000 --> 19:33.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this one question. 19:33.800 --> 19:35.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I turn to you, Colleen, because 19:35.666 --> 19:37.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you are the Springsteen expert. 19:37.466 --> 19:38.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you believe that Josh 19:38.966 --> 19:40.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Gottheimer is a big Springsteen 19:40.700 --> 19:41.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fan? 19:41.666 --> 19:44.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: Well, I might have 19:44.666 --> 19:47.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% believed it until what looks 19:47.966 --> 19:49.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% like a Dr. list came out. 19:49.833 --> 19:53.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- doctored list came out. 19:53.366 --> 19:55.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If I had a Spotify list, which I 19:55.533 --> 19:58.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% don't, I listen to the tapes, 19:58.233 --> 19:58.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the CDs directly. 19:58.633 --> 20:02.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Actually, now there transferred 20:02.866 --> 20:03.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to play in my car. 20:03.500 --> 20:07.466 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Clearly, my Spotify list would 20:07.466 --> 20:08.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have been legitimately all 20:08.000 --> 20:08.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Springsteen. 20:08.300 --> 20:09.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Yep. 20:09.333 --> 20:13.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Lastly, with something that may 20:13.500 --> 20:15.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have turned out to be important, 20:15.366 --> 20:15.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% these drones that are flying 20:15.966 --> 20:19.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% over New Jersey, Kenny, is it an 20:19.500 --> 20:23.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% invasion from Mars or is it Iraq 20:23.266 --> 20:25.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% or Iran in the Atlantic Ocean 20:25.200 --> 20:26.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sending drones to spy on New 20:26.566 --> 20:27.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey? 20:27.100 --> 20:28.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: Hang gone. 20:28.966 --> 20:32.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let me look out -- hang on. 20:32.466 --> 20:33.100 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Let me look out my window real 20:33.100 --> 20:33.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% quick. 20:33.333 --> 20:33.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% [LAUGHTER] 20:33.633 --> 20:35.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is concerning. 20:35.433 --> 20:39.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It would be nice to know who the 20:39.066 --> 20:42.633 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Hell is operating these things 20:42.633 --> 20:43.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are where they are coming from. 20:43.266 --> 20:47.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% These are one of the few 20:47.200 --> 20:50.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bipartisan things that political 20:50.100 --> 20:51.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% leaders in New Jersey agree on. 20:51.100 --> 20:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Where did they come from? 20:51.633 --> 20:53.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is nice to see them agree on 20:53.866 --> 20:56.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% something other than master 20:56.366 --> 20:59.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% dicing opera. 20:59.366 --> 21:02.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- Oprah. 21:02.533 --> 21:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: D me up, Charles? -- Beam 21:08.266 --> 21:09.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% me up, Charles? 21:09.066 --> 21:12.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: We are getting 21:12.933 --> 21:14.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reassurances that it is not a 21:14.133 --> 21:15.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% foreign adversary, so who is it? 21:15.200 --> 21:15.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We don't know. 21:15.700 --> 21:19.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They have ruled that. 21:19.500 --> 21:20.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They cannot fill in the other 21:20.733 --> 21:21.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% blank, and that is what is 21:21.600 --> 21:22.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% driving people crazy. 21:22.200 --> 21:27.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Reporter caps off, Santa 21:27.633 --> 21:29.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   caps on. 21:29.633 --> 21:31.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let's look in on Colleen's 21:31.866 --> 21:32.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Christmas village. 21:32.266 --> 21:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Context. 21:32.500 --> 21:34.766 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% This is your living room, yes? 21:34.766 --> 21:37.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: That is my dining room, 21:37.800 --> 21:39.966 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% but it is now creeping into my 21:39.966 --> 21:41.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% living room. 21:41.066 --> 21:43.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do not host a large Christmas 21:43.700 --> 21:47.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% dinner because I don't have a 21:47.733 --> 21:48.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% daddy room table to do it on. 21:48.333 --> 21:52.700 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Just saw my new bookstore -- a 21:52.700 --> 21:53.900 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% dining room table to do it on. 21:53.900 --> 21:55.300 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% You just saw my new bookstore, 21:55.300 --> 21:55.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and you will see another 21:55.800 --> 21:56.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% addition, the hospital. 21:56.900 --> 22:00.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have moved since COVID to 22:00.833 --> 22:02.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% adding medical facilities 22:02.600 --> 22:03.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because there are a lot of 22:03.533 --> 22:06.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people here, obviously, living. 22:06.066 --> 22:07.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And they do need doctors. 22:07.566 --> 22:14.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: It looks like this is the 22:14.366 --> 22:14.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NJPBS drone flying over the 22:14.933 --> 22:15.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hospital. 22:15.300 --> 22:18.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: I hope these poor 22:18.633 --> 22:20.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people in my village were not 22:20.800 --> 22:22.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concerned by the drone sightings 22:22.833 --> 22:23.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% over their heads, as I took this 22:23.466 --> 22:23.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% video. 22:23.666 --> 22:26.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% David: How many years have you 22:26.000 --> 22:26.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% done this now? 22:26.333 --> 22:32.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: Uh, 30, 30 years 22:32.100 --> 22:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% probably I think. 22:32.500 --> 22:35.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It all started with one tiny 22:35.966 --> 22:36.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little pink house, and it has 22:36.766 --> 22:37.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% grown to this. 22:37.100 --> 22:39.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Do you have any idea how 22:39.600 --> 22:40.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% many pieces you have? 22:40.866 --> 22:44.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: It is more than 70, but 22:44.566 --> 22:46.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I have not counted lately, and I 22:46.366 --> 22:47.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% do need to get a very big thank 22:47.966 --> 22:50.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you and shout out to my sons and 22:50.400 --> 22:52.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% their significant others who 22:52.566 --> 22:53.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% helped do this because there is 22:53.900 --> 22:54.800 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% no way I could do this anymore 22:54.800 --> 22:55.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% by myself. 22:55.500 --> 22:58.000 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Kenny: You have a Krispy Kreme 22:58.000 --> 22:59.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% too! 22:59.300 --> 23:02.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: Definitely. 23:02.000 --> 23:03.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: Where are the tennis 23:03.800 --> 23:04.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% courts? 23:04.466 --> 23:06.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Colleen: I'm going to have to 23:06.866 --> 23:07.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% put that on the list. 23:07.333 --> 23:08.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is something I don't have. 23:08.800 --> 23:11.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: That is great. 23:11.533 --> 23:16.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny, you strike me as the 23:16.333 --> 23:18.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% character on national lamp in 23:18.433 --> 23:20.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Christmas vacation -- "national 23:20.133 --> 23:24.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Lampoon Christmas vacation" with 23:24.500 --> 23:24.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the lights. 23:24.900 --> 23:28.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: Keep in mind, I don't 23:28.566 --> 23:29.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have the services of drones, but 23:29.200 --> 23:32.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do have a iPhone camera, so 23:32.433 --> 23:33.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this brings me back to 23:33.833 --> 23:34.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% childhood. 23:34.100 --> 23:36.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is the front of my house in 23:36.500 --> 23:36.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Middlesex County. 23:36.900 --> 23:39.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It started with the bushes, the 23:39.933 --> 23:40.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% window, I added the door, and 23:40.966 --> 23:43.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% then I felt the need to get a 23:43.433 --> 23:44.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nativity scene. 23:44.366 --> 23:47.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is the modern version. 23:47.500 --> 23:52.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% My grandfather, God rest 23:52.433 --> 23:52.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% his soul, I would help him 23:52.966 --> 23:53.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decorate. 23:53.633 --> 23:56.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He had icicles, lights on every 23:56.300 --> 24:00.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bush, the Nativity, and the 24:00.500 --> 24:02.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Santa Claus. 24:02.400 --> 24:07.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% So I wanted to bring that, now 24:07.600 --> 24:09.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that we do live in a house, 24:09.200 --> 24:09.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% albeit renting, I wanted to 24:09.933 --> 24:10.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bring that tradition appear. 24:10.500 --> 24:11.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Very good. 24:11.600 --> 24:14.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles? 24:14.400 --> 24:16.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you have the Christmas spirit 24:16.300 --> 24:17.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% yet? 24:17.866 --> 24:19.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I know you are on deadline today 24:19.466 --> 24:20.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and you are a little grumpy. 24:20.033 --> 24:20.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% [LAUGHTER] 24:20.300 --> 24:22.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: No. 24:22.633 --> 24:22.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% No. 24:22.800 --> 24:31.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We gradually phase into it. 24:31.033 --> 24:31.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We go into the 12 days of 24:31.566 --> 24:31.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Christmas thing. 24:31.966 --> 24:34.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We don't get caught up into the 24:34.300 --> 24:34.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% commercialism a bit. 24:34.766 --> 24:36.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There 12 days and we party hard. 24:36.900 --> 24:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Nice. 24:38.400 --> 24:45.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is that the rockin Santas? 24:45.200 --> 24:48.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: That is Brenda Johnson, 24:48.633 --> 24:50.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% musician, rockstar. 24:50.466 --> 24:51.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: [LAUGHTER] 24:51.566 --> 24:52.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Nice. 24:52.866 --> 24:54.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles: I celebrate my 24:54.700 --> 24:54.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% colleague. 24:54.966 --> 24:55.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Nice. 24:55.900 --> 24:59.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is my tree, which I mostly 24:59.800 --> 25:00.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decorated on my own, by the way, 25:00.600 --> 25:03.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with some help from Mary Lou. 25:03.400 --> 25:07.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% The main thing about this tree 25:07.600 --> 25:08.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is the latest Garland came from 25:08.466 --> 25:09.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% my mom who passed away a couple 25:09.133 --> 25:09.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of years ago. 25:09.466 --> 25:13.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% She made it herself, and it 25:13.233 --> 25:14.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% adorned the family Christmas 25:14.533 --> 25:15.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% tree for years. 25:15.266 --> 25:15.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is special. 25:15.933 --> 25:17.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I got that up this year. 25:17.466 --> 25:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% All we need now are some hot 25:20.600 --> 25:23.266 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% tidies or hot cocoa to make -- 25:23.266 --> 25:29.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hot toddies or hot cocoa. 25:29.966 --> 25:31.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Our director has like 18 trees. 25:31.400 --> 25:31.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Here is one of them. 25:31.833 --> 25:35.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: You need to bring your 25:35.533 --> 25:36.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% director at NJPBS. 25:36.533 --> 25:40.033 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Charles: Mr. party reborn over 25:40.033 --> 25:42.600 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% there -- Mr. Pottery Barn over 25:42.600 --> 25:42.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there. 25:42.800 --> 25:45.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: Exactly. 25:45.700 --> 25:48.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kenny: I like the stockings. 25:48.666 --> 25:50.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% David: That is an impressive 25:50.566 --> 25:51.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% tree. 25:51.500 --> 25:56.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is "Roundtable" for the 25:56.366 --> 25:56.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80%   year. 25:56.633 --> 25:57.766 align:left position:12.5% line:71% size:77.5% Charles, Kenny, Colleen, thank 25:57.766 --> 25:58.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you and Happy Holidays. 25:58.266 --> 26:02.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Thank you to Micah Rasmussen for 26:02.200 --> 26:02.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% joining us. 26:02.500 --> 26:04.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% You can follow the show at 26:04.300 --> 26:07.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% RoundtableNJ, if you dig the 26:07.500 --> 26:07.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% content, share it. 26:07.900 --> 26:09.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It makes a nice holiday gift. 26:09.833 --> 26:12.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% You can pair it with a 26:12.333 --> 26:12.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% subscription to the YouTube 26:12.900 --> 26:13.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% channel. 26:13.133 --> 26:17.466 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