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It is "Reporters Roundtable."

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Our end of the season panel

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He joins us now.

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Good to see you again.

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>> Thank you for having me.

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>> I have interviewed you during

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actual class time in the past.

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us and others in that being a

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politics.

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>> We just saw the governor

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signed a controversial open

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public record bill into law.

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affect his legacy?

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you are dead to us.

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>> I think he deserves all of

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records, they belong to the

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governor's office when this

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original law was signed, it was

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know until they go to make the

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their power without the party

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line, how much do you think this

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will undercut any pushed to

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parties bowing to do that.

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dissuade them at all.

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will get them what -- let them

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The son of Bob Menendez, who is

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primary against the mayor of

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Hoboken and he did not.

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the political scare of his life

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who stayed with his father, it

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was those he was looking to turn

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out on a which he did.

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inroads in the rest of the

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district where those

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organization types were racking

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up the numbers for Menendez.

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shots we were showing a moment

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with or without the line, the

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organizations are still key.

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obituaries.

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back up and dust themselves off.

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is if you are going to mount a

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credible challenge against the

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machine, you will need to be

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better known and better finance.

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rival to the machine itself.

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county organizations.

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well-known and really

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well-financed, he was not able

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County Sheriff in Passaic

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ticket, aside from the

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president, which is already

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known, was Andy Kim.

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first-time candidate who hung in

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there and got over 100,000 votes

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statewide.

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>> Let's give her do.

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impressed.

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there were some Tammy Murphy

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alternative.

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of those people.

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run-of-the-mill candidate.

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get outside of the Republican

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pro-choice.

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against book bands.

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typical labels.

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Thank you for taking some time

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>> I think we really summed it

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No one doubted that ability to

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adapt to the situation.

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resources and advantages.

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long-term movement.

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save the day.

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This is the start of a movement.

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Not the end.

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the troops this week.

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The governor came down.

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predicted to be one of the

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hardest races.

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stronger, better position

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candidates who will be willing

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to take a chance.

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The governor's race is shaping

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up to be something we have not

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seen in a long time.

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That is really the race to

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David: This President Trump

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obsessed Republicans have one of

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a gate, or choice, so so on

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trial South Jersey hotel

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developer.

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Is this the new GOP?

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>> I think he has a lot better

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of a chance at coming at Andy

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Kim.

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He can now make the pivot to the

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general election.

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And stop talking about endorsing

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Trump.

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And start talking about the

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thing Independence care about.

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And might vote for him for.

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If you were up against any other

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number of candidates I would say

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we will have an actual race for

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the Senate in New Jersey.

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Andy Kim, you cannot

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underestimate that man.

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He did not just when the primary

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and now he is well-positioned to

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run for Senate.

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He took down the Democratic

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Party establishment.

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I saw so many times during the

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campaign he had a credible

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political instincts time and

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time again.

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I think that is what we will

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see.

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He will make it very difficult

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for a candidate who endorsed a

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convicted felon.

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That is what he will say.

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These will say it over and over

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and over again.

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This is a man who endorsed

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Donald Trump after he had been

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convicted on 34 felony counts.

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Is he the type of Republican

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that a New Jersey unaffiliated

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voter can love?

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>> I think he is a back to the

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future Republican.

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He is from the center.

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He is openly gay.

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Which is a new thing for the

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Republican Party.

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I don't think it will matter

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that much at all in the general

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election.

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I think you are right.

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I saw Andy Kim come out with

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this aspiration.

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He took off the gloves on

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election night.

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And he said basically, you are

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on the side of a convicted

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felon.

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That is what he is going to

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stand for.

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He also said that is what

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defines him in his short career

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in politics.

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And he wants to keep it short.

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I think you are 100% right.

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He is a crafty political

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fighter.

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Not one to be underestimated.

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All you have to do is ask Chris

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Russell.

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He will tell you the same thing.

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David: Senator Menendez, you

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mentioned, he is running as an

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independent.

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What could go wrong for

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Democrats in the fall with that?

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>> Were still really not sure

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how this will shake out.

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If he is convicted, if you will

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stay in the race.

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A lot of things can happen.

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His name could still be on the

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ballot.

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It is not a great thing for

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Democrats.

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His name will be on there and

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I'm sure there is a small pocket

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of support that is still

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supporting him.

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The question will be is it

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enough to sway the race and give

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a better chance for a Republican

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to win.

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It is certainly an interesting

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development.

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David: The other news this week

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not directly political related,

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congestion pricing, the New York

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governor killed it this week.

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What was that about?

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Politics or economics?

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>> Politics.

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100%.

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I don't think it is so much the

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politics of being concerned.

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I think she was listening to

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Democrats in her state who were

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saying, do not do this thing

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before the November election.

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Are you crazy?

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I thought this was political.

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And it definitely means

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November.

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David: Interesting.

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The home stretch on the state

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budget.

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Shutdown or no shutdown?

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>> I doubt there will be a

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shutdown.

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I don't know this but it seems

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like the governors signing that

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bill signaled that a lot of

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ducks are already in a row.

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With any kind of deals with the

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legislature.

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If there were things that were

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unresolved, he would have used

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that bill.

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Because he had some time on his

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hands.

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I don't expect a big budget

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drama.

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David: The fix was in early.

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>> I heard this bill was signed

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in a deal that happened a long

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time ago.

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But I have heard whispers about

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taxes.

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We even heard it in budget

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hearings.

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Maybe let's raise the sales tax

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if we have a budget crunch.

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I don't see a shutdown and a

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presidential election year.

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David: Maybe some drama still.

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I thought we would look at the

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most New Jersey thing that you

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covered this season.

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Let's start with you.

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>> I will have to go with the

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Bob Menendez case.

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It has so many features that are

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so New Jersey.

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I wrote a piece back in the fall

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about it.

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I think really, the stacks of

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cash in his jacket with his name

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embroidered on it, the gold

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bars, which is kind of like New

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Jersey politics it's the reality

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show.

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The state dinner with Egyptian

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intelligence officials.

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It is not a New Jersey diner but

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there are so many great,

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expensive steak dinners,

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backroom deals that we have had

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over the years.

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And then throwing his wife under

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the bus.

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I could not love this story

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more.

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[LAUGHTER]

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It is unbelievable.

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The gift that keeps on giving

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with this one.

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David: What else can the love of

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my life do for you?

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What do you have?

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>> I want to go back to what we

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would talk about earlier.

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The crazy fight between Tammy

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Murphy and Andy Kim in this

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primary.

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We were going to conventions we

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had never gone to before because

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the governor's wife and the

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first lady was running for a

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nomination against insurgent

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congressmen.

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She ended up dropping out right

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before this masses decision that

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changed the face of New Jersey

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politics.

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I don't know if anybody in Iowa

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or Arkansas can understand how

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machine politics dominated the

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story and our lives for weeks.

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David:David: It was insane.

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I have never covered so many

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county conventions.

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What do you have?

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>> I want to say, just to add

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onto that, county conventions, I

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have covered that before in such

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detail and such drama.

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I cover the Iowa caucuses and

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Chris Christie was running for

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president.

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That was quaint.

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This was real.

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It also have this throwback

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deal.

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Like this was the 1930's again.

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There was something really

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old-school about it.

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I think the signature moment was

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in Monmouth County when results

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came in.

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They looked like they had just

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seen a nightmare on M Street.

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20 seconds later the results

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came in and his candidate lost

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by a big margin.

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It was seeing it in real time

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which was really dramatic and

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colorful and we will probably

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not see that for a long time.

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David: All of those are

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definitely very New Jersey.

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I would have picked any of

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those.

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Mine was from Hudson County

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where I covered meetings on

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redevelopment.

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It is so New Jersey that an

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out-of-town billionaire golf

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course owner would put down

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millions of dollars to buy off

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elected officials in an effort

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to convince local residents that

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they have a plan to laud the

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park and the surrounding

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community.

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Lying is one thing.

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That is not the plan at all.

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But those elected officials who

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perpetuate the lie deserve a

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Bronx cheer are more

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appropriately the New Jersey

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state heard.

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That will do it for us this

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season.

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It has been a pleasure to work

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with you all season long.

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Thank you so much for joining

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us.

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00:24:59,297 --> 00:25:02,367
And thanks to all of you for all

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of your support this season.

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We really appreciate it.

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Follow us all summer long.

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For all of the crew here, thank

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you for watching.

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Have a great summer.

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