WEBVTT 00:03.666 --> 00:08.500 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:65% By any measure, we live in a free but unequal society. 00:08.566 --> 00:12.500 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% By accident or birth, young people grow up with different 00:12.566 --> 00:16.500 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% opportunities, including unequal access to food, 00:16.566 --> 00:19.200 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% housing, education, and jobs. 00:19.566 --> 00:22.833 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:52.5% This can lead to very specific kinds of problems, 00:22.900 --> 00:25.900 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% including children getting funneled into a system of 00:25.966 --> 00:30.400 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:70% punishment and incarceration for which they are not prepared 00:30.466 --> 00:32.500 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:30% and which is not prepared for them. 00:33.366 --> 00:36.133 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% The result is futures shut down, 00:36.200 --> 00:39.166 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% opportunities extinguish forever. 00:39.933 --> 00:41.966 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% What would you want for your child? 00:42.200 --> 00:45.133 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% We can agree that when young people cause harm, 00:45.200 --> 00:47.900 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% there ought to be consequences. 00:47.966 --> 00:51.700 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% And we can agree that children should not be locked up in 00:51.766 --> 00:55.800 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% adult prisons, but that happens far too often. 00:56.333 --> 00:59.600 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% When it does, what is the way back? 01:11.566 --> 01:15.433 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% Returning Citizens is made possible by 01:45.500 --> 01:49.466 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% the United Way, fostering the success of those who, 01:49.533 --> 01:52.033 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% as they return to our neighborhoods, 01:52.100 --> 01:54.966 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% remain a largely untapped resource, 01:55.033 --> 01:57.200 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% the formerly incarcerated. 01:57.266 --> 02:01.400 align:start position:22.5% line:10% size:57.5% Waterman II Fund of the Philadelphia Foundation at the 02:01.466 --> 02:06.433 align:start position:12.5% line:10% size:72.5% recommendation of David Haas, the Independence Foundation. 02:13.400 --> 02:16.966 align:start position:17.5% line:10% size:62.5% The founders of the Youth Sentencing & Reentry Project, 02:17.033 --> 02:21.066 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% Lauren Fine, and Joanna Visser-Adjoian have devoted 02:21.133 --> 02:23.666 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% their legal careers to fighting for the rights 02:23.733 --> 02:26.700 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% and dignity of young people in trouble. 02:27.300 --> 02:30.766 align:start position:20% line:74% size:62.5% They are dedicated to the principle that no child should be 02:30.833 --> 02:34.366 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% left alone to face a criminal legal system 02:34.433 --> 02:36.800 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:75% that is not designed for kids. 02:37.600 --> 02:39.433 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% Uh, tell us about your work. 02:39.500 --> 02:44.000 align:start position:12.5% line:74% size:75% Lauren, how did you come to be one of the co-founders of this project? 02:44.066 --> 02:47.566 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:72.5% We simply saw too many things that we couldn't look away from. 02:47.633 --> 02:49.833 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% Um, I was working at another nonprofit, 02:49.900 --> 02:53.700 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% uh, legal center in the city, and it just became very clear 02:53.766 --> 02:57.300 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% that there was both a racial divide and a socioeconomic 02:57.366 --> 03:00.933 align:start position:17.5% line:74% size:65% divide as far as how young people were treated in our system. 03:01.000 --> 03:03.900 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% Um, as a white woman sitting in the back of the courtroom 03:03.966 --> 03:06.900 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% seeing that most of the folks with the power look like me 03:06.966 --> 03:10.000 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% and we were throwing away, uh, children. 03:10.066 --> 03:13.033 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% And you said you saw things you couldn't look away from. 03:13.100 --> 03:14.666 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% What were some of those things? 03:14.733 --> 03:17.766 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:35% Um, I had a, a young person who, 03:17.833 --> 03:21.266 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% um, stole a toothbrush from Walgreens while he was homeless, 03:21.333 --> 03:23.566 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% and he was offered a, 03:23.633 --> 03:27.166 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% um, a program for first, first time offenders. 03:27.233 --> 03:29.466 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% Um, but you had to pay to get into that program. 03:29.533 --> 03:32.366 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% And he, the absurdity of someone who had to steal a 03:32.433 --> 03:35.400 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% toothbrush, um, which is a very clear survival crime, 03:35.466 --> 03:38.933 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% um, that he could buy his way into some semblance of 03:39.000 --> 03:42.200 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% justice, was, um, simply un, you know, 03:42.266 --> 03:43.933 align:start position:20% line:84.67% size:60% unspeakably cruel to me. 03:44.000 --> 03:50.200 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:70% So when children cause harm, should there be consequences? 03:50.266 --> 03:51.433 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:27.5% Absolutely. 03:51.500 --> 03:54.633 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% Um, we all understand that as folks who've been children, 03:54.700 --> 03:57.300 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% um, and you know, some of us who are parents as well. 03:57.366 --> 03:58.766 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% There, there have to be consequences. 03:58.833 --> 04:01.033 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% But there's, there's consequences to those 04:01.100 --> 04:04.000 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% consequences and there's a lot of different choices that we 04:04.066 --> 04:06.300 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:27.5% can make as community members, um, 04:06.366 --> 04:08.300 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% and as actors in the legal system 04:08.366 --> 04:10.933 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% that have less harmful consequences. 04:11.000 --> 04:12.066 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:12.5% Yeah. 04:12.133 --> 04:15.533 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% And when we think about people who are experts in the 04:15.600 --> 04:19.966 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% criminal legal system, uh, you think that children who are 04:20.033 --> 04:23.166 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% involved in the system are, are among those experts? 04:23.233 --> 04:23.566 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:15% We do. 04:23.633 --> 04:24.666 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:30% Why is that? 04:25.366 --> 04:28.366 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% Because we've seen it in case, in and case out, 04:28.433 --> 04:31.633 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:60% uh, how young people who are in cages can hold the 04:31.700 --> 04:33.666 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% expertise of what is happening to them, 04:33.733 --> 04:37.166 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% what has happened to them, and how when you honor that and 04:37.233 --> 04:39.633 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% value their voices in a meaningful way, 04:39.700 --> 04:42.133 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% the expertise is just incredibly deep. 04:42.200 --> 04:43.700 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% And it's not just what they hold, 04:43.766 --> 04:46.066 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% it's also what their loved ones hold. 04:46.133 --> 04:47.833 align:start position:40% line:79.33% size:17.5% Um, the expertise of community, 04:47.900 --> 04:50.033 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% of parents, of loved ones. 04:50.100 --> 04:53.233 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% Uh, in our work, we spent countless hours interviewing 04:53.300 --> 04:55.800 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% teachers, social workers, coaches, 04:55.866 --> 04:58.300 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% people who have come into contact with the young person 04:58.366 --> 05:01.333 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% who is the focal point of a particular situation, 05:01.400 --> 05:04.600 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% and the expertise that each one of those actors is holding 05:04.666 --> 05:07.366 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% about, uh, maybe the harm that was caused, 05:07.433 --> 05:08.933 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:30% but also the ripple effects of that, 05:09.000 --> 05:12.233 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% the context in which that occurred is profound. 05:12.300 --> 05:15.333 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% And sometimes in the news we hear when children have 05:15.400 --> 05:17.266 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% committed serious offenses 05:17.333 --> 05:20.200 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% that they're going to be tried as adults. 05:20.266 --> 05:20.933 align:start position:40% line:84.67% size:17.5% Mm-Hmm. 05:21.000 --> 05:21.866 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% What, what does that even mean? 05:21.933 --> 05:24.566 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% We're pretending something that isn't true, 05:24.633 --> 05:27.633 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% um, that we all understand anecdotally, 05:27.700 --> 05:30.566 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% um, as human beings, but even the system understands. 05:30.633 --> 05:32.433 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% Um, there was a 10-year-old in Pennsylvania 05:32.500 --> 05:35.500 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% not too many years ago who was being tried as an adult, 05:35.566 --> 05:37.033 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% put in adult jail cell and given crayons. 05:37.100 --> 05:37.833 align:start position:32.5% line:84.67% size:35% Wait a minute? 05:37.900 --> 05:38.400 align:start position:32.5% line:84.67% size:35% A 10-year-old? 05:38.466 --> 05:39.433 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:30% 10-year-old. 05:39.500 --> 05:42.766 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% Um, and the charges were undoubtedly serious, 05:42.833 --> 05:45.733 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% but they had people in the jail giving him crayons 05:45.800 --> 05:47.233 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:45% because he was 10. 05:47.300 --> 05:48.600 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% He was a child. 05:48.666 --> 05:52.700 align:start position:30% line:74% size:42.5% And our system is pretending that he is something that he's not. 05:52.766 --> 05:56.733 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% How big can we think about the futures that can be provided 05:56.800 --> 05:58.900 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% to all children in this country, 05:58.966 --> 06:02.466 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% not just those who are finding a way to succeed in incredibly 06:02.533 --> 06:03.866 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% challenging circumstances? 06:03.933 --> 06:05.400 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% - All of that... - Mad respect to those kids. 06:05.466 --> 06:06.133 align:start position:32.5% line:84.67% size:32.5% That's right. 06:06.200 --> 06:07.400 align:start position:37.5% line:84.67% size:20% Exactly. 06:07.466 --> 06:09.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% But also mad respect to the kids who are having more trouble. 06:09.200 --> 06:10.033 align:start position:45% line:84.67% size:10% Yes. 06:10.633 --> 06:11.766 align:start position:45% line:84.67% size:10% Yes. 06:11.833 --> 06:14.000 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% Brian Stevenson talks about the reflection of a culture 06:14.066 --> 06:17.166 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% being how we treat the poor that condemn the incarcerated. 06:17.233 --> 06:19.866 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:70% And we are not doing well on that measure as far as how we 06:19.933 --> 06:23.566 align:start position:15% line:74% size:70% treat children, um, who, who make bad decisions unquestionably. 06:23.633 --> 06:27.600 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% And, you know, there needs to be caring, 06:27.666 --> 06:30.733 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% empathetic responses when young people do mess up, 06:30.800 --> 06:33.066 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% and that's what we've tried to provide. 06:33.133 --> 06:36.533 align:start position:17.5% line:10% size:62.5% Dr. Lawrence Steinberg, a groundbreaking expert on 06:36.600 --> 06:40.033 align:start position:22.5% line:10% size:52.5% adolescent psychology and behavior, champions 06:40.100 --> 06:45.100 align:start position:20% line:74% size:55% a revolutionary way of responding when children cause harm. 06:45.166 --> 06:51.133 align:start position:27.5% line:74% size:45% I know one of your big ideas is that we have to rethink adolescents. 06:51.200 --> 06:53.900 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% Why should we rethink adolescents? 06:53.966 --> 06:56.966 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% As we've learned more and more about brain development, 06:57.033 --> 07:00.733 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% it's become quite clear that brain maturation extends a lot 07:00.800 --> 07:02.566 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:75% longer than we thought it had. 07:02.633 --> 07:07.333 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% And, and what are the consequences of brains not 07:07.400 --> 07:09.633 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% being fully developed at 18? 07:09.700 --> 07:11.900 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% How does that show up in law? 07:11.966 --> 07:17.100 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% The the argument is that if juveniles are not as mature as 07:17.166 --> 07:20.700 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% adults in important ways for judging their culpability, 07:20.766 --> 07:23.066 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% then they shouldn't be punished in the same way either. 07:23.133 --> 07:27.100 align:start position:15% line:74% size:72.5% What's your sense of where we are as a society on that issue now? 07:27.166 --> 07:30.733 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% The question is, as a society, what's the best way to respond 07:30.800 --> 07:33.733 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% when a young person violates the law commits a, 07:33.800 --> 07:35.533 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:40% a serious crime? 07:35.600 --> 07:37.900 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% So there isn't any question that we ought to respond 07:37.966 --> 07:40.100 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:32.5% somehow there should be consequences. 07:40.166 --> 07:43.333 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% Um, and some kids are dangerous and communities need 07:43.400 --> 07:46.900 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% to be protected from individuals who might do harm 07:46.966 --> 07:49.566 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% to other members of the community. 07:49.633 --> 07:52.933 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% Um, on the other hand, people are capable of change. 07:53.000 --> 07:55.733 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% Young people particularly are capable of change. 07:55.800 --> 07:59.333 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% And so we wanna make sure that whatever we do in response to 07:59.400 --> 08:02.066 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% somebody's criminal behavior, um, 08:02.133 --> 08:06.333 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% doesn't make that person more likely to offend in the future. 08:06.400 --> 08:07.600 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:15% Right. 08:07.666 --> 08:08.800 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:72.5% We want to have interventions that are gonna make the person 08:08.866 --> 08:11.733 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:35% less likely to offend in the future. 08:11.800 --> 08:16.933 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% It seems to me that there's some hope in this idea of 08:17.000 --> 08:21.133 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% brain plasticity, in terms of rehabilitation, 08:21.200 --> 08:25.333 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% in terms of even when kids have done very bad things. 08:25.400 --> 08:27.833 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% In the church sometimes they say, 08:27.900 --> 08:30.133 align:start position:10% line:84.67% size:77.5% God's not finished with me yet. 08:30.200 --> 08:32.033 align:start position:25% line:84.67% size:50% But in a real sense, 08:32.100 --> 08:36.733 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% you have some growing up to do that can be done. 08:36.800 --> 08:39.733 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% I think that a, that a, a decent and humane society 08:39.800 --> 08:41.333 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% gives people second chances. 08:41.400 --> 08:44.000 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% Um, and that's really what we're talking about here. 08:44.066 --> 08:48.700 align:start position:12.5% line:74% size:75% And these second chances there could be a big payoff for children. 08:48.766 --> 08:51.366 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% Oh, a big payoff for children and for communities. 08:51.433 --> 08:54.600 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:30% I mean, I, I think, look, we, we, 08:54.666 --> 08:58.500 align:start position:12.5% line:74% size:70% we know that 90% of juvenile offenders don't become adult criminals. 08:58.566 --> 08:59.700 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% Say that again. 08:59.766 --> 09:02.800 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% 90% of juvenile offenders do not become adult criminals. 09:02.866 --> 09:03.500 align:start position:45% line:84.67% size:10% Wow. 09:03.566 --> 09:04.033 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:15% Right. 09:04.100 --> 09:04.866 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:47.5% So most of them ... 09:04.933 --> 09:05.866 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:55% You say, we know that. 09:05.933 --> 09:07.100 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% I don't think most people actually know that. 09:07.166 --> 09:08.866 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% I don't, that I think most people don't know that. 09:08.933 --> 09:11.166 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:27.5% And I think unfortunately, they, 09:11.233 --> 09:13.533 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% they can look at a juvenile, look at a 16-year-old, 09:13.600 --> 09:15.700 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% a 17-year-old has committed a bad act and say, 09:15.766 --> 09:17.766 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% this person is incorrigible. 09:17.833 --> 09:20.100 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% This person is ir, irreparably, 09:20.166 --> 09:22.066 align:start position:25% line:84.67% size:50% uh, uh, troublesome. 09:22.133 --> 09:24.033 align:start position:20% line:84.67% size:60% Um, but that's not true. 09:24.100 --> 09:26.266 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% And that's not true in the vast majority of cases. 09:26.333 --> 09:29.100 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% The question is how do we design a system that provides 09:29.166 --> 09:32.333 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% opportunities for people to be rehabilitated? 09:32.400 --> 09:36.633 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% YSRPs, Intergenerational Healing Circle gathers 09:36.700 --> 09:41.200 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% together people of all ages and life experiences. 09:41.266 --> 09:44.366 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% It's a safe space to talk about trauma, 09:44.433 --> 09:48.433 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% injustice, the pain of incarceration, 09:48.500 --> 09:53.100 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% the challenges of reentry, and hope for the future. 09:53.800 --> 09:56.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% You know, this Intergenerational Healing Circle, 09:56.133 --> 09:57.700 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:30% you know, we use circle processes, 09:57.766 --> 10:00.533 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:27.5% restorative justice circle process, right? 10:00.633 --> 10:02.466 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% Or what's called restorative justice, 10:02.533 --> 10:05.933 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% which is, um, basically what indigenous people all around 10:06.000 --> 10:08.333 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% the world have been doing for millennia. 10:08.400 --> 10:13.000 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% A talking piece is what some indigenous societies over here 10:13.066 --> 10:17.766 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% used to, um, basically an item that has a meaning that we 10:17.833 --> 10:20.000 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% attribute meaning to, right? 10:20.066 --> 10:21.500 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% And we pass it around in a circle, 10:21.566 --> 10:24.300 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:65% and whoever is holding the talking piece is the only one 10:24.366 --> 10:25.800 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% that's talking. 10:25.866 --> 10:29.266 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% So this ensures that that person is thoroughly heard. 10:29.333 --> 10:32.933 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% Can we agree on some values that we wanna govern us as 10:33.000 --> 10:35.666 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% we talk to each other here today? 10:35.733 --> 10:40.966 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% So that would mean each of us throwing out a value 10:41.033 --> 10:44.233 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% that we want us to be centered on. 10:44.300 --> 10:49.833 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% So like, for instance, I say, um, respect. 10:52.333 --> 10:54.266 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% You know, like being relaxed. 10:54.333 --> 10:58.133 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:57.5% I think that when we do these types of interviews, 10:58.200 --> 11:03.833 align:start position:27.5% line:74% size:47.5% sometimes you don't catch the full essence of when it's just us, 11:03.900 --> 11:07.466 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:52.5% because everybody not as relaxed and comfortable. 11:07.533 --> 11:10.300 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% And then later on, you know, you look back and be like, 11:10.366 --> 11:11.566 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% ah, you know, I think I missed this, 11:11.633 --> 11:13.900 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% or I should've spoke about this or that. 11:13.966 --> 11:16.566 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% You know, we, you know, we always kind of speak about 11:16.633 --> 11:19.866 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% the things that's we are passionate about, 11:19.933 --> 11:22.000 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% you know, things that, you know, 11:22.066 --> 11:25.333 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% touches our heart the most, what affects us the most. 11:25.400 --> 11:30.533 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:32.5% So to sum all that up, passion, for me. 11:32.066 --> 11:35.133 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% For me, it's being open-minded about what it means to be a, 11:35.200 --> 11:40.866 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% a black man and, and not get too hung up on like 11:40.933 --> 11:43.966 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% expectations about, you know, being this specific 11:44.033 --> 11:45.566 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% performance of masculinity. 11:45.633 --> 11:48.300 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% Like at first when you're passing this around, 11:48.366 --> 11:50.033 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% it's like a red heart, you know? 11:50.100 --> 11:51.233 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:30% Come on man. 11:51.300 --> 11:54.600 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% But, you know, I know that's kind of like my own issues. 11:54.666 --> 11:58.133 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% So I just want to like, be comfortable, 11:58.200 --> 12:00.933 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% um, not feeling like judged about, 12:01.000 --> 12:02.800 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% you know, how much of a black man I am, 12:02.866 --> 12:04.600 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% like how hard I have to be. 12:09.566 --> 12:12.500 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% Uh, I will say, uh, patience, you know, 12:12.566 --> 12:15.600 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% patience with, with regard to when someone's talking, 12:15.666 --> 12:17.466 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% you know, let them finish their statement. 12:17.533 --> 12:19.400 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% You don't try to like overtalk them. 12:19.466 --> 12:24.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% Um, um, you know, so yeah, just be patient with one another. 12:25.033 --> 12:30.900 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% What are you taking away from this conversation here today? 12:30.966 --> 12:32.666 align:start position:20% line:84.67% size:60% In a word or a sentence, 12:32.733 --> 12:35.400 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% what are you taking away from this conversation today? 12:36.500 --> 12:38.933 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% And I'll pass it to Stacey first. 12:39.000 --> 12:40.400 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:27.5% Enthusiasm. 12:42.166 --> 12:45.966 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% A a comfort level with being vulnerable. 12:47.066 --> 12:49.966 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% Motivation that we only going to get better. 12:51.966 --> 12:54.666 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% So I think mine would be just hope and optimism whenever we 12:54.733 --> 12:56.366 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% had these types of discussions. 12:57.666 --> 13:02.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% Um, I would like to say strength or in the ability to keep going. 13:05.266 --> 13:06.100 align:start position:45% line:84.67% size:10% Hmm. 13:06.166 --> 13:07.633 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% I would say, uh, gratefulness, you know, 13:07.700 --> 13:09.400 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% just thankful for the opportunity that I've been 13:09.466 --> 13:12.200 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% given, uh, to continue this kind of work here. 13:12.266 --> 13:13.833 align:start position:25% line:84.67% size:50% And so I'm grateful. 13:16.100 --> 13:18.166 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% And mines would be accountability. 13:18.966 --> 13:21.500 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% Accountability to my brothers, you know, 13:21.566 --> 13:23.100 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% accountability to my community, 13:23.633 --> 13:26.733 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:35% you know, and, and to the world, so. 13:27.500 --> 13:32.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% In 2012, the Supreme Court in a case called Miller v. Alabama 13:32.700 --> 13:36.766 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% ruled that mandatory life sentences for children 13:36.833 --> 13:38.866 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% are unconstitutional. 13:39.733 --> 13:43.166 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% Many young people who judges have been forced to lock up 13:43.233 --> 13:46.666 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:52.5% for the rest of their lives got to come home. 13:47.600 --> 13:49.666 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% We wanted to hear what they had to say. 13:50.000 --> 13:51.700 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% And how old were you when you got locked up? 13:51.766 --> 13:52.700 align:start position:37.5% line:84.67% size:22.5% I was 15. 13:52.766 --> 13:54.766 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% How long were you inside? 13:54.833 --> 13:57.366 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% I did 35 years. 13:57.433 --> 14:01.166 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% Uh, sentenced to life without pro, possibility of parole. 14:01.233 --> 14:04.433 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:32.5% 15 years old, sentenced to die in prison? 14:04.500 --> 14:05.866 align:start position:45% line:84.67% size:10% Yes. 14:05.933 --> 14:09.033 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% Went to prison when I was 14 years old 14:09.100 --> 14:11.633 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% for second degree murder. 14:11.700 --> 14:13.633 align:start position:20% line:84.67% size:57.5% What was your sentence? 14:13.700 --> 14:15.400 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:55% A life without parole. 14:15.466 --> 14:17.000 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:45% I served 24 years. 14:17.066 --> 14:19.566 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% I was 17 when I was locked up as far as an adult. 14:19.633 --> 14:22.633 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% I got a life sentence that's theft by incarceration, 14:22.700 --> 14:25.766 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:52.5% never to expect me to come home to die in jail. 14:25.833 --> 14:29.100 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% Zakair, what's the E block? 14:29.166 --> 14:33.233 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% E block is the only juvenile block up pick for, 14:33.300 --> 14:35.400 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% um, juveniles as child and an adult. 14:35.466 --> 14:37.100 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:47.5% What was that like? 14:37.166 --> 14:38.833 align:start position:32.5% line:84.67% size:35% Hell on earth. 14:38.900 --> 14:42.566 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% And what was the experience like of being, 14:42.633 --> 14:47.600 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% uh, a teenager locked up with, with grown men? 14:49.000 --> 14:51.266 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% You know, it's a predatory environment. 14:51.333 --> 14:53.633 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% You know, so being a kid coming in there, 14:53.700 --> 14:55.833 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% it's like, one thing I learned early on is the, 14:55.900 --> 14:58.900 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% the more violent you are, the more people respect you and 14:58.966 --> 15:00.166 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:40% leave you alone. 15:00.233 --> 15:04.433 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:57.5% So I was just like, the most violent you can be. 15:04.500 --> 15:06.666 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% And a hole is is solitary confinement. 15:06.733 --> 15:08.200 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% Solitary confinement. 15:08.266 --> 15:10.166 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% And have you ever been in the hole? 15:10.233 --> 15:12.400 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% More times than I can count. 15:12.466 --> 15:16.233 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% And, and, and people see it on TV, 15:16.300 --> 15:20.000 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% but what, what's it like being in solitary confinement? 15:20.066 --> 15:22.966 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% Challenging intellectually. 15:23.033 --> 15:26.233 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% There's a lot of things like the conditions 15:26.300 --> 15:28.000 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% that's like, that's hard. 15:28.066 --> 15:30.833 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% The, the type of people that, the type of people that, 15:30.900 --> 15:33.166 align:start position:20% line:84.67% size:60% that they have as staff. 15:33.233 --> 15:34.566 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:25% Like, just everything as a whole, 15:34.633 --> 15:35.800 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% it's just like, you want, you wouldn't, 15:35.866 --> 15:37.200 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% you wouldn't expect it to be like that, 15:37.266 --> 15:38.933 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% but it's exactly how it is. 15:39.000 --> 15:41.333 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% You know I had gave up ever coming home. 15:41.400 --> 15:43.100 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% I wasn't one of them people that, 15:43.166 --> 15:45.566 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% that, you know, always, I'm going home one day. 15:45.633 --> 15:47.400 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% I was one of them people that's like, 15:47.466 --> 15:50.266 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% I don't even want to think about going home anymore. 15:50.333 --> 15:55.866 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% And and you found a way to, to fight back using, uh, the law. 15:55.933 --> 15:57.233 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% Their handbook against them. 15:57.300 --> 15:58.966 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% The handbook you used it against them? 15:59.033 --> 16:01.333 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% Um, the rules and regulations of the jail. 16:01.400 --> 16:03.866 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% And, and how did you make that work for [crosstalk]. 16:03.933 --> 16:06.100 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:57.5% Because every time they violated them, I wrote 'em up. 16:06.166 --> 16:07.500 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:30% And, and how successful were you? 16:07.566 --> 16:09.566 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:12.5% Very. 16:09.633 --> 16:11.466 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% You sound like a lawyer bragging about their cases. 16:11.533 --> 16:12.800 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:12.5% Yeah. 16:14.266 --> 16:15.266 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:12.5% Yeah. 16:16.166 --> 16:17.133 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:30% You know ... 16:17.200 --> 16:18.333 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% I think there are a lot of people listening who 16:18.400 --> 16:22.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% just would not believe that this lovely woman sitting here 16:22.966 --> 16:24.466 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% spent 40 years in prison. 16:24.533 --> 16:25.633 align:start position:35% line:84.67% size:30% Yeah, I did. 16:25.700 --> 16:27.600 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:15% I did. 16:27.666 --> 16:28.966 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% Unfortunately, I did. 16:29.033 --> 16:33.100 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:55% And I know I had to be accountable for what I did, 16:33.166 --> 16:36.300 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% but not death by incarceration, you know? 16:36.366 --> 16:38.500 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:32.5% 'cause people change, you know, 16:38.566 --> 16:40.300 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:30% people grow, people get mature, 16:40.366 --> 16:42.166 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% people make better decisions. 16:42.233 --> 16:46.700 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% And at that time, I was not in that position to do that or 16:46.766 --> 16:49.766 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% mentally mature enough to do that. 16:49.833 --> 16:54.433 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% All you, all, all we be needing is opportunities like 16:54.500 --> 16:58.333 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% for jobs, recreation, like the small things due to the fact 16:58.400 --> 17:01.200 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:60% that we grow up so young and not and less fortunate. 17:01.266 --> 17:03.666 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% Like, we'd be forced to go through a lot of things that 17:03.733 --> 17:05.366 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% we don't even normally wanna do. 17:05.433 --> 17:09.066 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% But since we live in poverty and, 17:09.133 --> 17:12.000 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% you know, jobs that only pay us minimum wage and 17:12.066 --> 17:14.300 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% everything, they're not gonna succeed what they gonna do, 17:14.400 --> 17:15.966 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% turn to violence and things like that, 17:16.033 --> 17:18.033 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% because that's what they need to survive. 17:18.100 --> 17:20.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% What was it like when you heard that you were coming home? 17:20.633 --> 17:24.700 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:27.5% It was like being reborn again. 17:24.766 --> 17:25.266 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% You understand? 17:25.333 --> 17:28.466 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% It was, um, a burden. 17:28.533 --> 17:33.566 align:start position:22.5% line:74% size:57.5% A relief of 30 years of incarceration lifted off my shoulders. 17:33.633 --> 17:36.400 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% As far as knowledge-wise, I didn't get a chance to live 17:36.466 --> 17:38.200 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% out here as an adult. 17:38.266 --> 17:41.933 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% So to make decisions as an adult out here is not the same 17:42.000 --> 17:45.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% as making a decision that I had to make as an adult in prison. 17:45.700 --> 17:47.600 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% You know, it's a lot more at stake. 17:47.666 --> 17:49.466 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% So, you know, it's a lot, lot of, 17:49.533 --> 17:51.733 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% it's a lot of ways that I think we had, 17:51.800 --> 17:54.766 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% we need to be a more understanding society that, 17:54.833 --> 17:56.900 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% you know, people in prison, these are people, 17:56.966 --> 17:58.633 align:start position:10% line:84.67% size:77.5% sons and daughters and mothers. 17:58.700 --> 18:01.433 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% See the progress that we've done since we've been home. 18:01.500 --> 18:05.000 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% We've changed lives, we've opened doors, 18:05.066 --> 18:07.400 align:start position:35% line:79.33% size:32.5% we've changed conversations in people. 18:07.466 --> 18:10.100 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:65% And that's what, you know, what we really wanted to do 18:10.166 --> 18:13.133 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% with our second chance at coming home was not just to 18:13.200 --> 18:16.233 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% prove to people that we are human and, 18:16.300 --> 18:19.200 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:52.5% you know, we can make mistakes and change, 18:19.266 --> 18:22.566 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% but we are a great asset to the community. 18:22.633 --> 18:26.566 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% I also started, uh, a network called the Fremont 18:26.633 --> 18:31.266 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:67.5% Entrepreneur Network, where we highlight the good works of 18:31.333 --> 18:33.066 align:start position:10% line:84.67% size:80% people who coming out, you know, 18:33.133 --> 18:36.000 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% who started businesses because maybe they would marginalized 18:36.066 --> 18:39.933 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% and couldn't, you know, get a job or couldn't receive, 18:40.000 --> 18:42.333 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% uh, get a, a significant job to take care of themselves 18:42.400 --> 18:43.400 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:42.5% and their family. 18:43.466 --> 18:45.833 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:50% And so they actually became entrepreneurs. 18:45.900 --> 18:48.300 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% You know, it's not about punishing people for the 18:48.366 --> 18:49.733 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% consequences or whatever like that. 18:49.800 --> 18:50.933 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% 'cause when you sit in the cell, 18:51.000 --> 18:54.833 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% none of that stuff is helping you to be a better person. 18:54.900 --> 18:58.600 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% I wasn't one of those kids that you could just throw away 18:58.666 --> 19:00.400 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% the key to give up on that. 19:00.466 --> 19:04.800 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% I did have, um, aspirations in life, 19:04.866 --> 19:08.333 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% you know, and I wanted to try to prove everybody wrong. 19:08.400 --> 19:09.800 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% And, and how are you doing that? 19:09.866 --> 19:14.266 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% To show and try to stop other young kids from making the 19:14.333 --> 19:15.600 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:67.5% same mistakes that we made? 19:15.666 --> 19:19.633 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% Even if it's one, just being a follower as I was. 19:19.700 --> 19:23.733 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% You know, just don't try to be in, 19:23.800 --> 19:27.433 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% fit in because one's mistake can cost you your life. 19:27.500 --> 19:31.100 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% Now, we've heard some stories today, 19:31.166 --> 19:32.900 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% some, some tragic stories, 19:32.966 --> 19:38.300 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% some stories about victories against all odds. 19:39.000 --> 19:41.400 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% What should we be taking away from these stories? 19:42.133 --> 19:45.500 align:start position:17.5% line:10% size:62.5% How are we helping people to explore their agency? 19:45.566 --> 19:49.200 align:start position:15% line:10% size:72.5% How are we allowing them, uh, not just accept accountability 19:49.266 --> 19:51.333 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:35% in, in, in the sense that, uh, uh, 19:51.400 --> 19:53.700 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% well accepting accountability in the sense of understanding 19:53.766 --> 19:56.833 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:60% many of the, uh, uh, uh, circumstances in which they 19:56.900 --> 19:58.800 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% grew under, grew up under. 19:58.866 --> 20:02.633 align:start position:12.5% line:74% size:72.5% And now they understand those circumstances a little bit better. 20:02.700 --> 20:04.533 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% They're able to make better decisions, 20:04.600 --> 20:06.333 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% but not only just make better decisions with regard to 20:06.400 --> 20:09.200 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% themselves, but also how are they helping others? 20:09.266 --> 20:11.500 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:40% Kempis Songster, who goes by Ghani, 20:11.566 --> 20:15.433 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:60% has thought deeply about his experience in prison. 20:15.500 --> 20:19.733 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% He says incarceration almost crushed his soul, 20:19.800 --> 20:25.500 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% but he decided to use that time to grow and change. 20:25.566 --> 20:30.833 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:72.5% We talked about the challenge and the joy of creating a life 20:30.900 --> 20:35.866 align:start position:15% line:74% size:67.5% of meaning after decades of being locked away from the world. 20:36.600 --> 20:41.300 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% So on the one hand, Tamika reminds me of my Aunt, 20:41.366 --> 20:45.833 align:start position:22.5% line:74% size:55% John reminds me of one of my colleagues at Georgetown Law School, 20:45.900 --> 20:49.966 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:50% and you remind me of one of my hanging buddies. 20:50.033 --> 20:54.633 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% But in the eyes of the law, you guys are, are felons. 20:55.400 --> 20:56.866 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% Some of you are murderers. 20:57.766 --> 21:00.933 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% How do I, I I can't make those things. 21:01.533 --> 21:04.166 align:start position:10% line:10% size:77.5% You know, when dealing with the sense of life without parole, 21:04.233 --> 21:05.966 align:start position:17.5% line:10% size:65% per se, like for instance, 21:06.033 --> 21:08.633 align:start position:20% line:10% size:60% which is a sentence that basically says that hey, 21:08.700 --> 21:12.833 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% a person is no more than the worst thing that they ever done, 21:12.900 --> 21:16.533 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% is no more than their darkest moment. 21:16.600 --> 21:20.300 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% It's hard for us to reconcile those contradictions like 21:20.366 --> 21:21.500 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% you're talking about. 21:21.566 --> 21:24.300 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:65% But when we appreciate, we learn to appreciate people in 21:24.366 --> 21:25.966 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% the totality of who they are. 21:26.033 --> 21:29.633 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% When we learn the backstory, when we learn about the 21:29.700 --> 21:33.566 align:start position:12.5% line:74% size:72.5% journey, and then we see what people are capable of now, right? 21:33.633 --> 21:35.766 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% And we see people trying to take accountability, 21:35.833 --> 21:39.100 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% then maybe we can reconcile. You know what I'm saying? 21:39.166 --> 21:42.866 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% So accountability leads to redemption. 21:42.933 --> 21:43.666 align:start position:32.5% line:84.67% size:32.5% I believe so. 21:43.733 --> 21:45.566 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:25% And what's accountability mean? 21:45.633 --> 21:49.333 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:37.5% In my view, um, accountability is, 21:49.400 --> 21:55.800 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:70% is not someone like how, how we're told we're gonna hold 21:55.866 --> 21:59.000 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:65% this person accountable by placing them in a prison cell 21:59.066 --> 22:00.466 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% or by punishing them. 22:00.533 --> 22:01.766 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% That's not being accountable. 22:01.833 --> 22:04.066 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:52.5% That's just, you'd be being a passive actor. 22:04.133 --> 22:05.700 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% I just have to sit in a prison cell and, 22:05.766 --> 22:06.533 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:40% and be punished. 22:06.600 --> 22:08.100 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:75% I don't have to be remorseful. 22:08.166 --> 22:12.000 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% I don't have to show any contrition or regret for 22:12.066 --> 22:13.266 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% what I've done. 22:13.333 --> 22:20.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% Shame accompanies, it rides with us for the rest of our lives. 22:20.200 --> 22:21.033 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% You know what I mean? 22:21.100 --> 22:22.433 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% Especially, is that productive though? 22:22.500 --> 22:23.533 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% Should people feel shame? 22:25.633 --> 22:27.733 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:75% I could only speak for myself. 22:27.800 --> 22:29.633 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% You know, I could only speak for myself. 22:29.700 --> 22:35.066 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% Shame is something that I am never, 22:35.133 --> 22:39.666 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% ever going to get rid of. 22:39.733 --> 22:40.500 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:62.5% You know what I'm saying? 22:40.566 --> 22:42.166 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% Cause of the harm that you caused. 22:42.233 --> 22:43.433 align:start position:42.5% line:84.67% size:12.5% Yeah. 22:43.500 --> 22:47.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% We're not talking about a, um, a robbery that I can give some, 22:47.933 --> 22:50.500 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% compensate somebody back for what I took. 22:50.566 --> 22:53.466 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% We're not talking about a burglary or a snatch pocket book 22:53.533 --> 22:54.466 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:55% or anything like that. 22:54.533 --> 22:56.333 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% We're talking about the loss of a human life. 22:56.400 --> 22:59.133 align:start position:37.5% line:79.33% size:27.5% There is no repairing or reversing that. 22:59.200 --> 23:01.033 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:72.5% There is no living that down. 23:01.100 --> 23:04.300 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:37.5% These hands are bloodstained forever. 23:04.366 --> 23:05.500 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:55% And so what do you do? 23:05.566 --> 23:06.766 align:start position:37.5% line:84.67% size:25% You serve. 23:07.700 --> 23:08.800 align:start position:37.5% line:84.67% size:25% You serve. 23:08.866 --> 23:10.733 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% You can't bring life back, but you serve and you commit 23:10.800 --> 23:12.866 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% yourself to serving for the rest of your life. 23:12.933 --> 23:16.266 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:45% That's my personal conviction, right? 23:16.333 --> 23:19.033 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% That's, that's what accountability is for me. 23:19.100 --> 23:21.500 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:45% It's not about the system convicting me, 23:21.566 --> 23:23.066 align:start position:12.5% line:84.67% size:75% it's what I convict myself to. 23:23.133 --> 23:24.900 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:45% This is my pledge. 23:24.966 --> 23:27.633 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:42.5% Right now I can't bring life back, 23:27.700 --> 23:32.066 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% but what I can do is help save life or help steer other 23:32.133 --> 23:35.233 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:60% people away from hurting other people like 23:35.300 --> 23:36.766 align:start position:32.5% line:79.33% size:30% I did when I was 15 years old. 23:36.833 --> 23:39.266 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:47.5% And that's what the Intergenerational Healing Circle 23:39.333 --> 23:40.766 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:40% is really about. 23:40.833 --> 23:41.900 align:start position:27.5% line:84.67% size:47.5% It's about service. 23:41.966 --> 23:46.400 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:57.5% It's about service, and it's about redemption, right? 23:46.466 --> 23:47.800 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:52.5% It's about salvation. 23:47.866 --> 23:51.700 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:70% It's about really making our communities healthy and safe. 23:51.766 --> 23:53.800 align:start position:30% line:79.33% size:42.5% That's the key to making accountability. 23:53.866 --> 23:57.833 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% There's no healing without accountability and human 23:57.900 --> 24:01.166 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% capacity for transformation and change is real. 24:01.233 --> 24:03.000 align:start position:25% line:79.33% size:47.5% And that's what our government needs to do, 24:03.066 --> 24:07.033 align:start position:20% line:79.33% size:62.5% is invest in that more by doing away with sentences such 24:07.100 --> 24:10.966 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% as death by incarceration that basically treat some people as 24:11.033 --> 24:12.466 align:start position:22.5% line:84.67% size:55% if they're disposable. 24:12.533 --> 24:14.700 align:start position:27.5% line:79.33% size:40% Ghani, thank you for your service. 24:15.333 --> 24:16.700 align:start position:37.5% line:84.67% size:25% Thank you. 24:17.366 --> 24:19.533 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:55% You've listened to the testimony of formerly 24:19.600 --> 24:23.766 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% incarcerated men and women, people who are courageous, 24:23.833 --> 24:30.666 align:start position:17.5% line:74% size:65% vulnerable, and optimistic enough to believe that we can do better. 24:32.066 --> 24:36.033 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:72.5% Maybe their hope springs from the fact that they had been 24:36.100 --> 24:40.900 align:start position:15% line:79.33% size:67.5% sentenced to die in prison, and then the Supreme Court 24:40.966 --> 24:43.966 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% gave them a second chance. 24:44.033 --> 24:48.866 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:62.5% Do we have the compassion to do the same thing, 24:48.933 --> 24:57.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% to reach out and lift them up to help them this time to succeed? 25:38.233 --> 25:41.800 align:start position:17.5% line:79.33% size:65% Returning Citizens is made possible by 26:12.400 --> 26:13.733 align:start position:30% line:84.67% size:37.5% the United Way, 26:13.800 --> 26:17.700 align:start position:12.5% line:79.33% size:75% fostering the success of those who as they return to our 26:17.766 --> 26:21.466 align:start position:22.5% line:79.33% size:57.5% neighborhoods, remain a largely untapped resource. 26:21.800 --> 26:23.900 align:start position:17.5% line:84.67% size:65% The formerly incarcerated. 26:23.966 --> 26:26.033 align:start position:20% line:10% size:57.5% Waterman II Fund of the 26:26.100 --> 26:30.100 align:start position:12.5% line:10% size:75% Philadelphia Foundation at the recommendation of David Haas, 26:30.166 --> 26:33.033 align:start position:15% line:84.67% size:70% the Independence Foundation.