WEBVTT 00:01.000 --> 00:02.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Funding for To The Contrary provided by: 00:11.500 --> 00:13.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% This week on To The Contrary: 00:13.800 --> 00:15.000 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% First, women's 00:15.000 --> 00:18.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% gains in health, education and safety are at risk. 00:19.233 --> 00:23.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Then, the stark divide among young Americans 00:23.066 --> 00:24.866 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% on marriage and parenting. 00:44.566 --> 00:46.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Hello, I'm Bonnie Erbé. 00:46.500 --> 00:48.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Welcome to To The Contrary, 00:48.133 --> 00:50.633 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a discussion of news and social trends 00:50.633 --> 00:52.300 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% from varied perspectives. 00:52.300 --> 00:57.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Up first: gender equality in the US and globally. 00:57.466 --> 01:00.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% In a new report the United Nations warns women's 01:00.766 --> 01:04.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% gains in health, education and safety are at risk. 01:04.333 --> 01:07.733 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Conflict, climate change, aid cuts 01:08.000 --> 01:11.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the backlash against gender equality could stall 01:11.833 --> 01:15.033 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% or reverse progress on multiple fronts. 01:15.033 --> 01:18.600 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% Meanwhile a new poll shows Trump slipping 01:18.600 --> 01:22.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with Hispanic voters particularly Latinas, a key 01:22.466 --> 01:25.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% voting bloc for recent Republican successes. 01:26.333 --> 01:29.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Joining me are former judge and federal prosecutor 01:29.833 --> 01:34.000 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Debra Carnahan, Republican strategist Whitley Yates, 01:34.600 --> 01:37.033 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% The Intercept's political reporter 01:37.033 --> 01:38.800 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Jessica Washington, 01:38.800 --> 01:41.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% and Washingto Examiner investigations editor 01:42.033 --> 01:43.300 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Sarah Bedford. 01:43.300 --> 01:46.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% So first question to you, Debra Carnahan. 01:46.266 --> 01:48.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What does this report tell us about 01:48.066 --> 01:50.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the state of women's rights in the U.S. 01:50.833 --> 01:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and around the world? 01:52.266 --> 01:54.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% It's very alarming. 01:54.166 --> 01:57.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Something that we know has been happening. 01:57.033 --> 01:58.566 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% We have been world leaders. 01:58.566 --> 01:59.933 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% I have traveled the world 01:59.933 --> 02:03.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% on women's issue and reproductive health issues. 02:03.933 --> 02:07.133 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% And we were looked to as, 02:07.400 --> 02:08.533 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% thank you. 02:08.533 --> 02:09.966 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Thank you for helping us. 02:09.966 --> 02:12.166 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% We'd like to be like you. 02:12.166 --> 02:13.466 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% It's very alarming 02:13.466 --> 02:17.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and it's very sad particularly in our own country. 02:17.800 --> 02:22.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I think what it really shows i that progress is very fragile, 02:22.333 --> 02:24.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and that the one thing 02:24.133 --> 02:24.700 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% that helps 02:25.433 --> 02:28.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% everyone is going to be economic stability of a nation, 02:28.433 --> 02:31.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% which seems to be equal opportunity for everyone. 02:31.200 --> 02:33.200 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% So women do well 02:33.200 --> 02:36.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when the rest of the country is economically stable. 02:36.600 --> 02:39.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I find this report not surprising. 02:39.166 --> 02:40.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% You know, we've seen a real 02:40.800 --> 02:44.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% rollback in economic investment in women in the United States 02:44.866 --> 02:46.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% over the course of this administration. 02:46.333 --> 02:49.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But you can take that back decades, for certain. 02:49.633 --> 02:52.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So nothing in this is incredibly surprising. 02:52.766 --> 02:54.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% There's just been a real rollback, 02:54.633 --> 02:57.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% both in the economic investment and then also just investments 02:57.833 --> 03:00.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% in women's career attainment, women's health. 03:00.900 --> 03:03.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So this is unfortunate, but not surprising. 03:03.833 --> 03:05.866 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% Globally, there were some concerning 03:05.866 --> 03:07.300 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% metrics in that report. 03:07.300 --> 03:09.366 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% But in places like the United States 03:09.366 --> 03:11.333 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% where there are already 03:11.333 --> 03:14.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% lots of laws on the book that preserve women's equality 03:14.900 --> 03:17.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% legislatively, some of the solutions, 03:17.400 --> 03:20.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% for keeping women's progress in the United States 03:20.000 --> 03:23.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% might be more cultural than legislative. 03:23.233 --> 03:24.033 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% All right. So, 03:25.400 --> 03:28.300 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% 20, 30 year ago, when we started the show, 03:28.300 --> 03:32.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the US constantly led on women and family issues. 03:33.000 --> 03:36.233 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Clearly it's not happening much anymore. 03:36.533 --> 03:39.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So what do we need to get going again, 03:39.166 --> 03:39.866 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% as the world's 03:40.500 --> 03:43.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% leader on women's right and women's and families issues 03:44.100 --> 03:47.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bonnie, I think it's going t take a change in the Congress. 03:48.100 --> 03:54.033 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And also, on the executive branches purview 03:54.033 --> 03:58.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that they have, tha they've been dismantling so many 03:58.100 --> 04:02.300 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% programs and in USAID and, and places 04:02.300 --> 04:04.066 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that we've helped around the world. 04:04.066 --> 04:07.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've traveled around the world extensively on women's 04:07.933 --> 04:11.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% reproductive and health issues, and we were leaders, 04:11.800 --> 04:15.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they looked to u and I would feel sorry for them. 04:16.100 --> 04:20.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And I would talk with them and give them encouragement, 04:20.133 --> 04:22.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and they would look at us like, wow, 04:22.200 --> 04:24.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you have this in your country. 04:24.433 --> 04:27.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And we're slipping in that and we're probably going 04:27.266 --> 04:31.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to, you know, lose our status and our ability to help 04:31.266 --> 04:35.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% women around the world, but also in our own country. 04:35.466 --> 04:38.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We are in a crisis for women's health. 04:38.166 --> 04:40.366 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Whitley, your thoughts, do you think, 04:40.366 --> 04:44.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% are we on the precipice of tumbling downhill, 04:44.200 --> 04:48.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% on being one of the leader of the women's rights movements 04:48.366 --> 04:49.466 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% around the world? 04:49.466 --> 04:50.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% No, I'm going to be honest. 04:50.800 --> 04:52.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I think America is going to 04:52.100 --> 04:54.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% still be at the forefront when looking at other nations 04:54.700 --> 04:57.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% when it comes to legislation that protects women. 04:57.200 --> 04:59.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% When it comes to the way in which we're able 04:59.500 --> 05:01.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% to participate in society. 05:01.800 --> 05:05.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We are always, and I believe we will maintain our position 05:05.666 --> 05:06.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in leading the pack. 05:06.700 --> 05:09.133 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% However one of the things that I think 05:09.133 --> 05:12.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% doesn't get talked about enoug is the maternal mortality rate 05:12.533 --> 05:14.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and how that has drastically 05:14.233 --> 05:18.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% impacted statistics like these and what needs to happen, 05:18.433 --> 05:20.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% especially from administrations 05:20.433 --> 05:22.800 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that are avid and staunch pro-life. 05:22.800 --> 05:24.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% It needs to be about pro livelihood, 05:24.433 --> 05:26.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and that pro livelihood also needs to be 05:26.300 --> 05:28.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the health of the mother, the woman having the child. 05:28.566 --> 05:32.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Jessica, how much do you think this is all influenced by, 05:32.800 --> 05:36.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% the various economic states of the country? 05:36.766 --> 05:40.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% In other words, if you're not doing well economically, 05:41.200 --> 05:43.900 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% do such things as 05:43.900 --> 05:46.966 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% equal justice, women's rights, etc. 05:46.966 --> 05:48.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% go by the wayside? Yeah. 05:48.700 --> 05:49.233 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% So I think we can 05:49.900 --> 05:52.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% certainly point to economic hardships globally. 05:52.633 --> 05:54.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We know the Covid 19 pandemic 05:54.833 --> 05:58.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% had a disastrous effect on global economies. 05:58.266 --> 06:00.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We know that that impacts women's rights 06:00.133 --> 06:03.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and women's ability to feed themselves, 06:03.466 --> 06:04.700 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% to feed their families. 06:04.700 --> 06:06.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think when you look in the US context, though, it's 06:06.833 --> 06:09.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% not just about the immediate economy. 06:10.000 --> 06:11.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So, you know, the Trump administration, 06:11.500 --> 06:13.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% according to The Center for American Progress 06:13.666 --> 06:18.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% analysis, cut about $3 billion in investment 06:18.433 --> 06:21.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in women's health and women's economic security. 06:22.066 --> 06:23.466 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% So we both have the kind of 06:23.466 --> 06:24.800 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% global economic context, 06:24.800 --> 06:26.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but we also have deliberate political choices 06:26.533 --> 06:27.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that we have to look at as well. 06:27.666 --> 06:30.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Sarah, your thoughts. Do you think because we're 06:31.300 --> 06:34.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% on the precipic of what could be fairly serious 06:34.566 --> 06:35.633 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% economic problems— 06:35.633 --> 06:36.533 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% we don't know yet, 06:37.033 --> 06:40.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but definitely the indicator are not heading in the direction 06:40.700 --> 06:42.833 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% most of us would like to see them head in. 06:44.133 --> 06:46.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Do you think the US can avoid a recession? 06:46.233 --> 06:49.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Do you think the US can maintain its standing as 06:50.133 --> 06:53.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a country that's very favorable to women's rights? 06:53.500 --> 06:55.766 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Well, I think when you talk about whether the U.S. 06:55.766 --> 06:59.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is continuing to be a leader in women's rights 06:59.133 --> 07:01.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and you earlier mentioned family issues, 07:01.400 --> 07:04.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think you have to consider what does success look like? 07:04.733 --> 07:07.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% This administration has been very, to borrow 07:07.233 --> 07:09.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a phrase that sometimes used pejoratively, pronatalist. 07:09.800 --> 07:11.633 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% They have really encouraged 07:11.633 --> 07:14.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% getting the fertility rate up, whether that's through baby 07:14.866 --> 07:18.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% bonuses, subsidizing child care; they've talked 07:18.633 --> 07:19.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% about a lot of different 07:19.900 --> 07:23.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% policy solutions to raise the American fertility rate, 07:23.633 --> 07:27.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if that is considered a sort of family issue. 07:27.100 --> 07:29.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And this idea that promoting marriage 07:29.500 --> 07:31.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in a traditional nuclear family structure 07:31.533 --> 07:35.266 align:left position:12.5% line:77% size:77.5% does tend to have economic benefits for women. In that area, 07:35.266 --> 07:38.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the administration is quite focused. 07:38.100 --> 07:42.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And if you measure the success of women's rights by things 07:42.000 --> 07:45.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% like access to reproductiv health care, you would consider 07:45.333 --> 07:48.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% this administration a failure on that. 07:48.333 --> 07:51.366 align:left position:17.5% line:77% size:72.5% Well, what do you think about the fact—for example, look at China. 07:51.366 --> 07:53.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% China has been grappling 07:53.000 --> 07:56.800 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% with a low birth rate for several decades now, 07:57.066 --> 08:00.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and they've been trying to spur more women, more, 08:00.833 --> 08:05.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% more couples to have children and larger families 08:05.600 --> 08:09.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% after many, many decades of not promoting that. 08:09.833 --> 08:11.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Look how long it's taking China. 08:11.766 --> 08:12.700 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% How long would it take 08:13.066 --> 08:16.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% the United States to start building up its population? 08:16.900 --> 08:17.066 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Well, 08:18.133 --> 08:19.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I think China is i a slightly different situation 08:19.300 --> 08:20.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% than the United States in that their birth rate 08:20.933 --> 08:22.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% was kept artificially low 08:22.466 --> 08:25.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% by government policies for so many years, 08:25.100 --> 08:28.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and reversing this sor of economic and cultural damage 08:28.333 --> 08:30.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that the one child policy did do in China. 08:30.800 --> 08:31.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% That's not the— 08:31.866 --> 08:34.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the starting point for the United States, 08:34.066 --> 08:36.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but the United States government is competing 08:36.766 --> 08:39.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% with a lot of different, perverse incentives 08:39.666 --> 08:40.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for growing families. 08:40.766 --> 08:41.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% The opportunity cost 08:41.966 --> 08:45.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% of having a famil has never been higher for women. 08:45.866 --> 08:48.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The opportunity cost of leaving the workforce 08:48.300 --> 08:50.366 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% or finding a way to pay for childcare. 08:50.366 --> 08:54.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So there are really complicated issues throughout the economy 08:54.133 --> 08:55.533 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% that isn't just, 08:55.533 --> 08:59.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% you know—a one time payment can't fix those structural 08:59.100 --> 09:01.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% economic issues that are driving women away 09:01.166 --> 09:02.500 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% from starting families. 09:02.500 --> 09:03.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So what do you think, 09:03.700 --> 09:06.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% if you were President Trump or one of his aides, 09:06.866 --> 09:11.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% what would you do to spur mor families to have more children? 09:11.166 --> 09:12.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I was gonna say, well, first of all, 09:12.366 --> 09:16.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I think, you know, I'm not hearing policies— 09:17.533 --> 09:19.966 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% very few a very few were just mentioned, 09:19.966 --> 09:24.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% about supporting families and women in particular, 09:24.866 --> 09:25.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% that studies 09:26.166 --> 09:29.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for so many years have shown that while women work outside 09:29.933 --> 09:32.800 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% the home, which has become a necessary 09:32.800 --> 09:36.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% thing economically speaking. 09:36.833 --> 09:40.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% You know, there's a crisis in being able 09:40.900 --> 09:45.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to afford childcare, you know and you're talking about people. 09:45.733 --> 09:48.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% You want to keep the minimum wage low 09:48.000 --> 09:51.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and it isn't affordable to go out and work 09:51.833 --> 09:54.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to try and make money for your family 09:54.433 --> 09:57.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% because the mone goes out the door for childcare. 09:58.166 --> 10:01.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So it's great to say— What's better, to 10:01.066 --> 10:04.966 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% let your famil have many children and live in 10:05.233 --> 10:08.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% even more serious poverty than if you just had 1 or 2? 10:09.100 --> 10:12.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Yeah, I just, 10:12.100 --> 10:14.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I'm not seeing any programs 10:14.400 --> 10:18.400 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% being implemented to support families. 10:18.400 --> 10:21.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% There are some going on in states. 10:21.066 --> 10:24.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I think recently, wasn't it New Mexico 10:24.033 --> 10:26.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that said there would be free childcare? 10:26.633 --> 10:29.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% I mean, that's historic. 10:29.000 --> 10:31.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm not saying that can happen in every state. 10:32.200 --> 10:34.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I'm not saying that should even happen, 10:34.933 --> 10:36.866 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% but we need to support that more. 10:36.866 --> 10:38.766 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% You just can't keep talking about 10:38.766 --> 10:41.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we want women to have babies. 10:41.233 --> 10:46.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So start having babie without support of the economic 10:46.266 --> 10:51.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% realities of what is now facing us in our country. 10:51.266 --> 10:54.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, Jessica, let me ask you, how much sense does it make? 10:54.200 --> 10:57.866 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% I mean, Trump is both cutting back. 10:57.866 --> 11:00.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I mean, they're destroying millions of dollars 11:00.600 --> 11:03.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% worth of fertility products that they have. 11:03.400 --> 11:06.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They're, literally don't know where to throw them out. 11:06.200 --> 11:07.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% They have so many of them. 11:07.766 --> 11:09.466 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% And meanwhile, 11:09.466 --> 11:13.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we need a larger population, not a smaller population. 11:13.500 --> 11:16.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% He's also cutting way back on immigration. 11:16.166 --> 11:18.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% How much sense does that all make, 11:18.300 --> 11:21.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% given that at least one goal would be to increase 11:22.100 --> 11:24.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% the population in the United States? 11:24.166 --> 11:24.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 11:24.966 --> 11:26.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, a lot of these policies 11:26.333 --> 11:29.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% seem to run, as you said completely counter to that idea. 11:29.533 --> 11:30.266 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% So we know, 11:30.933 --> 11:34.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and Axios reported on this, that Trump's immigration crackdown 11:34.233 --> 11:37.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% is actually going to lead to population decline 11:37.000 --> 11:40.066 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% soone than we anticipated previously. 11:40.066 --> 11:41.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So we know that's happening. 11:41.766 --> 11:45.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Also, you point to the Bi Beautiful Bill cuts to Medicaid, 11:46.100 --> 11:47.766 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% making— increasing the administrative 11:47.766 --> 11:49.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% burden for families who want to earn, 11:49.600 --> 11:51.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% who want to take the earned income tax credit. 11:51.900 --> 11:54.066 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% So we'r talking about a list of policies 11:54.066 --> 11:56.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that are going to make i much harder for working families 11:56.700 --> 11:59.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that if you are, you know, someone who is low income in 11:59.666 --> 12:03.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the United States, could mak you think twice about being able 12:03.033 --> 12:05.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to take on another child in your family, 12:05.100 --> 12:07.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% to have a child in the first place. 12:07.533 --> 12:09.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So, as you pointed out, a lot of these policies 12:09.566 --> 12:12.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% just run completely counter to the stated goal. 12:12.433 --> 12:13.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% All right, now Whitley 12:13.933 --> 12:16.066 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and then Sarah, please your thoughts 12:16.066 --> 12:18.200 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% and we'll go on to the next topic. 12:18.200 --> 12:21.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I think some pro livelihood policies that we should be 12:21.466 --> 12:24.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% seeing should center first around women's health, 12:24.866 --> 12:27.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and that materna mortality rate, because it's not 12:28.166 --> 12:29.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% just wanting to have a child, 12:29.666 --> 12:31.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% but its wanting to be able to deliver that child 12:31.800 --> 12:34.033 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and live to be able to raise that child. 12:34.033 --> 12:37.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Another pro livelihood policy that I believe we should see 12:37.500 --> 12:40.400 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% is paid leave for FMLA. 12:40.400 --> 12:44.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% When you have to take maternity as well as paternity leave 12:44.133 --> 12:48.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% for the fathers, I think having greater incentives, 12:48.233 --> 12:52.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and incentivizing private corporations 12:52.200 --> 12:54.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% to help with this is also going to help. 12:54.733 --> 12:57.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% But in all honesty, people want a strong economy. 12:57.866 --> 12:58.966 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And when they're happy 12:58.966 --> 13:01.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and when they feel like they're thriving, 13:01.000 --> 13:02.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% they will get 13:02.500 --> 13:04.433 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% married, have children 13:04.433 --> 13:07.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and be able to feel like the can take care of their children. 13:07.100 --> 13:09.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% But right now, people are very unsure 13:09.366 --> 13:11.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and very insecure about the current economy. 13:11.800 --> 13:13.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So if you don't know whethe or not you're going to be able 13:13.900 --> 13:15.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% to put food on your table, 13:15.366 --> 13:18.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% adding another mouth to feed i not something that you would do 13:18.933 --> 13:20.500 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% in this economy. 13:20.500 --> 13:22.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Sarah, your final thoughts? 13:22.366 --> 13:23.300 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% I would disagree 13:23.666 --> 13:26.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that this administration's policies all run counter to 13:26.733 --> 13:30.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the goal of increasing the size of the American families. 13:30.566 --> 13:32.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% The two biggest obstacles for women 13:32.933 --> 13:35.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% having more children are their paychecks 13:35.166 --> 13:37.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and their ability to afford a house 13:37.166 --> 13:38.933 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% that's desirable to raise a family 13:38.933 --> 13:41.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in, that's big enough to raise a family in. 13:41.400 --> 13:45.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This administration, I think unlike the previous one, is more 13:45.066 --> 13:47.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% relentlessly focused on getting people's wages 13:47.333 --> 13:50.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% up, increasing the availability of good paying jobs. 13:50.433 --> 13:53.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And they're really, really focused on the price 13:53.100 --> 13:55.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% of housing and building more affordable 13:55.400 --> 13:56.433 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% single family homes 13:56.433 --> 13:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get the supply up to meet that demand 13:58.566 --> 14:00.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so the price pressure can decrease. 14:00.766 --> 14:02.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Those are the two biggest 14:02.000 --> 14:03.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% obstacles, and I think solving 14:03.366 --> 14:06.366 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% those for women will help American family sizes grow. 14:06.633 --> 14:08.133 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right. Let us know what you think. 14:08.133 --> 14:12.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Follow me @BonnieErbe. From the state of women's 14:12.666 --> 14:16.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% rights to views on family among Gen Z. 14:16.800 --> 14:19.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Young Americans are sharply divided 14:19.133 --> 14:20.833 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% on marriage and children, 14:20.833 --> 14:23.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% with gender and politics shaping their views. 14:24.133 --> 14:27.566 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% A new poll found young male Trump voters 14:28.066 --> 14:31.900 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% ranked having children as their top priority, 14:31.900 --> 14:36.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% while young female voter and Harris supporters placed it 14:36.400 --> 14:40.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% near the very bottom, at 12th out of 13 topics. 14:41.166 --> 14:43.133 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% The same split showed up, 14:43.133 --> 14:46.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% with marriage ranked fourth by the Trump voting men, 14:46.900 --> 14:50.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but just 11th by the Democratic voting young women. 14:51.133 --> 14:54.366 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% So Whitley, what is the president 14:54.366 --> 14:57.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% supposed to do on this policy to stimulate 14:57.533 --> 14:59.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% larger families in America? 14:59.800 --> 15:01.466 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% You know, I don't necessarily think 15:01.466 --> 15:03.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that this is a policy issue. 15:03.033 --> 15:06.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% I think that this is ver different cultural narratives. 15:06.533 --> 15:08.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And for a lot of young conservative men 15:08.466 --> 15:11.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% having families, having wives and children 15:11.400 --> 15:12.033 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% and having that 15:12.033 --> 15:13.700 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% lineage is very central 15:13.700 --> 15:15.766 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% to their sense of purpose and stability. 15:15.766 --> 15:18.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But I think for many progressive women, 15:18.133 --> 15:19.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% their success is a lot of times 15:19.733 --> 15:22.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% rooted and framed in thei careers and their independence. 15:23.033 --> 15:26.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So marriage and children just fall at a lower priority 15:26.800 --> 15:27.200 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% for them. 15:28.100 --> 15:30.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I don't think that either side is necessarily wrong, 15:30.300 --> 15:32.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% but I think that they value things very differently, 15:32.433 --> 15:35.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and it shows how deeply divided our cultures have become. 15:36.133 --> 15:39.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And in order to bridge that divide successfully, 15:39.133 --> 15:42.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% specificall within the younger generations, 15:42.100 --> 15:44.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I think what we need to do is have a cultural shift 15:44.766 --> 15:45.466 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% and stop 15:46.100 --> 15:48.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% honestly demonizing either side for what they're valuing 15:48.966 --> 15:50.533 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% in order to build that common ground. 15:51.600 --> 15:52.600 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% Any other ideas? 15:52.933 --> 15:55.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% That's a—that sounds like a pretty good place to start. 15:55.733 --> 15:56.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 15:56.200 --> 15:57.766 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% And you know, 15:57.766 --> 16:00.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% it's all about planned parenting. 16:01.466 --> 16:05.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And to your point, Bonnie I mean, there have been policies 16:05.366 --> 16:10.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and reproductive health issues, that women feel under attack. 16:11.066 --> 16:12.533 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% I mean, let's face it. 16:12.533 --> 16:16.033 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Women take on the most of the child 16:16.033 --> 16:19.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% rearing, health issues, childbearing. 16:19.000 --> 16:21.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% It really falls on women. 16:21.300 --> 16:23.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And therere just a lot of young 16:23.000 --> 16:26.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% women out there that feel like they're not being supported. 16:26.900 --> 16:31.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The uncertainty of what's going on, and all of those 16:31.500 --> 16:35.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% play into whether or not you want to have a child. 16:35.666 --> 16:39.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I can see why more men want to have children, 16:39.566 --> 16:42.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because the burden doesn't normally 16:42.633 --> 16:45.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% fall on them as much, nor the health risks. 16:46.566 --> 16:48.266 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% Sarah, your take. 16:48.266 --> 16:51.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I agree with Whitley that this is probably much 16:51.533 --> 16:55.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% more cultural than it is about any sort of specific 16:55.700 --> 16:57.033 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% policy responses. 16:57.033 --> 17:00.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% The progressive generation, or progressives in general, 17:00.966 --> 17:04.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% they tend to be more affluent, better educated, 17:04.933 --> 17:06.066 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% and we know that 17:06.066 --> 17:09.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% wealthier, better educated people tend to delay 17:09.266 --> 17:13.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% childbearing more than peopl from lower socioeconomic rungs. 17:13.766 --> 17:16.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we also know that Democrats, especially this younger 17:16.600 --> 17:19.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Democratic generation, is much more secular 17:19.500 --> 17:21.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% than the generations that came before them, 17:21.266 --> 17:23.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and then their conservative counterparts. 17:23.566 --> 17:26.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And I do think that the secularization of America 17:26.800 --> 17:30.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% has led to lower births, because some of the dominant 17:30.933 --> 17:32.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% religions in America for so many years, 17:32.600 --> 17:34.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% like Catholicism, for example, 17:34.333 --> 17:36.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% really encourages having lots of children 17:36.933 --> 17:39.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% as a central tenet of religious belief. 17:39.133 --> 17:40.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% If you don't have that religious belief 17:40.766 --> 17:43.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% guiding your choices, you're much more likely to be swayed 17:43.600 --> 17:45.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% by economic factors. 17:45.100 --> 17:46.066 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% I think its 17:46.533 --> 17:50.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% both cultural and also I thin the policy matters here as well. 17:50.200 --> 17:52.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So I think on the cultural end, 17:52.633 --> 17:53.500 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% certainly we're 17:53.833 --> 17:57.433 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% seeing young me whove witnessed their families, 17:57.433 --> 17:59.633 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% their parents and their dynamics. 17:59.633 --> 18:00.666 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% They've seen their fathers. 18:00.666 --> 18:02.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we know this from research that, 18:02.866 --> 18:03.600 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% you know, fathers 18:04.166 --> 18:07.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% tend to have less involvement than mothers in a whole host 18:07.466 --> 18:08.833 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% of household tasks. 18:08.833 --> 18:11.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So they've seen their, you know, young women are growing up 18:11.466 --> 18:14.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% watching their mothers try and juggle, 18:14.133 --> 18:17.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, work, try and juggle child care, trying to juggle 18:17.433 --> 18:18.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% taking care of the house. 18:18.733 --> 18:20.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% They're witnessing this and realizing 18:20.333 --> 18:22.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% that's potentially my role. 18:22.233 --> 18:25.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And so to me that's quite a cultural issue. 18:25.200 --> 18:26.366 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And on the policy end, 18:26.366 --> 18:27.900 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I think you can't discount 18:27.900 --> 18:30.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the amount of young women who are feeling as if, 18:30.766 --> 18:33.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% because of the widespread abortion bans, because of Roe 18:33.800 --> 18:38.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% being overturned, a lack o ownership over their own bodies. 18:38.800 --> 18:41.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And in some way, we can really talk about this 18:41.166 --> 18:43.433 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% as a reclaiming of my body 18:43.433 --> 18:45.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is not just a vessel for children, 18:45.733 --> 18:47.300 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% but it's something that I possess 18:47.300 --> 18:48.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and can do with what I want. 18:48.766 --> 18:50.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So I think we're seeing kind of 18:50.033 --> 18:52.033 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% both things happen simultaneously. 18:52.033 --> 18:52.766 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Gotcha. 18:52.766 --> 18:54.066 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And, Sarah, do you think— 18:54.066 --> 18:57.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% do you think President Trump will be seen as a failure 18:57.166 --> 18:59.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% if he doesn't inspire Americans to have more children? 19:01.100 --> 19:01.666 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% I actually 19:02.366 --> 19:06.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% see the more children agenda as being much more closely 19:06.100 --> 19:09.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% associated with Vice President JD Vance. 19:09.100 --> 19:12.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% His political future especially among conservatives 19:12.200 --> 19:15.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in a conservative primary, even, could be more closely 19:15.033 --> 19:15.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% tied to that. 19:16.700 --> 19:19.700 align:left position:12.5% line:77% size:77.5% Thats sort of, you know, an item thats squarely in his portfolio. 19:19.700 --> 19:21.200 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% You don't hear Donald Trump 19:21.200 --> 19:23.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% speaking about that as frequently. 19:23.433 --> 19:26.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Well, and also, he doesn't really need to. I mean, he's 19:26.133 --> 19:29.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% well beyond the average age of becoming a father. 19:29.766 --> 19:30.766 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% And he already has 19:31.033 --> 19:34.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% a, you know, pretty large group of children, right? 19:34.900 --> 19:35.266 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 19:35.600 --> 19:38.700 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I mean, he has three wives 19:39.600 --> 19:43.400 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and children from each one of his three wives. 19:43.700 --> 19:44.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So I agree with you. 19:44.933 --> 19:47.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I don't think that's really his focus right now. 19:48.200 --> 19:51.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And as far as JD Vanc goes, he's the vice president. 19:52.533 --> 19:54.466 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% He doesn't really have a lot of power, 19:54.466 --> 19:55.433 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% as we know. 19:55.700 --> 19:58.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Vice presidents are there to support the president 19:58.500 --> 20:01.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and be there in case something happens to the president. 20:01.966 --> 20:04.633 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% So he can espouse his views 20:04.633 --> 20:08.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and he can do what he' been doing and being very vocal. 20:08.833 --> 20:12.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But the policies are from the presidency. 20:12.666 --> 20:14.966 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Okay, Whitley, last word, you have it. 20:14.966 --> 20:18.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I really want to push back on on this idea that the policies 20:19.200 --> 20:20.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% are not necessarily beneficial. 20:20.966 --> 20:21.566 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% There was a time 20:21.933 --> 20:23.466 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% when women were burning their bras 20:23.466 --> 20:25.866 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% and begging to get into the workforce, 20:25.866 --> 20:28.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and now that they are in the workforce 20:28.133 --> 20:30.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and the thought of being in the workforce and 20:30.033 --> 20:32.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% rearing children just seems like too much. 20:32.200 --> 20:34.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% But that was something that a lot of women 20:34.000 --> 20:35.900 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% fought and advocated for. 20:35.900 --> 20:37.333 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Juxtaposition to that, 20:37.333 --> 20:39.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% you have the trad wife lifestyle, 20:39.300 --> 20:42.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which is basically stay at home mom or a homemaker 20:42.233 --> 20:45.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that is consistently demonized by working women. 20:45.600 --> 20:47.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And so we can't say that it's really 20:47.400 --> 20:50.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the policies that are producing these types of ideologies. 20:50.833 --> 20:52.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It is wholeheartedly the culture. 20:52.900 --> 20:54.766 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Well, but what about the economy? 20:54.766 --> 20:57.833 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% I mean we do seem to be in a situation 20:57.833 --> 20:59.200 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% where we're coming from 20:59.200 --> 21:03.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% years of prosperity and heading towards years of no growth 21:03.966 --> 21:06.033 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% or very little prosperity. 21:06.033 --> 21:07.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But this is something that's 21:07.066 --> 21:09.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% always happened within American history. 21:09.233 --> 21:11.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% We've always had times of success 21:11.300 --> 21:12.866 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and abundance and wealth, 21:12.866 --> 21:14.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and then we've always also had times 21:14.733 --> 21:16.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of trials and tribulations within this country. 21:16.766 --> 21:19.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I don't want to pretend like what we're going through now, 21:19.766 --> 21:21.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% our country hasn't been through 21:21.333 --> 21:24.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% or been through worse and we've consistently been able 21:24.333 --> 21:26.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to overcome each and every time. 21:26.033 --> 21:29.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I just think we need to start looking at the culture 21:29.666 --> 21:33.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of America now and how much it is genuinely changed, 21:33.933 --> 21:35.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% as well as gender roles. 21:35.300 --> 21:38.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But let's get a little bit into what's going on currently, 21:38.533 --> 21:39.966 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% which is we have— 21:39.966 --> 21:41.066 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% we have a president 21:41.066 --> 21:44.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% who's getting rid of a lot of immigrants, 21:44.800 --> 21:47.833 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and they tend to have more children, 21:47.833 --> 21:48.266 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% if you look 21:49.133 --> 21:51.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% at the reproduction tables and who has more kids, it's 21:52.066 --> 21:55.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it's almost always immigrants than it is people who've been 21:55.900 --> 21:59.033 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in this countr for generations and generations, 21:59.033 --> 22:02.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% because education is the difference. 22:02.366 --> 22:06.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So what would you be doing to spur Americans to have 22:06.633 --> 22:07.800 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% more kids? 22:07.800 --> 22:11.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Well, I think, also, you know, it segues right in. 22:12.300 --> 22:15.066 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% You know, the Earth is groaning. 22:15.066 --> 22:19.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We have a huge Earth population 22:19.500 --> 22:23.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% as we have climate chang happening and water is rising. 22:24.100 --> 22:26.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So there are a lot of issues, 22:26.466 --> 22:30.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think, that factor into people being uncertain 22:30.900 --> 22:34.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% about wanting to bring children into this world. 22:35.200 --> 22:39.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And certainly governmen should not be pulling programs, 22:39.533 --> 22:42.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% pulling SNAP, reducing it, 22:42.800 --> 22:47.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% shutting down rural hospitals that will no longer be able 22:47.700 --> 22:51.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% to afford to stay open that service a lot of these 22:51.933 --> 22:57.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% women in their health care needs and having a baby. 22:57.466 --> 23:00.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So you can't start pulling the rug out from 23:00.866 --> 23:04.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% underneath women and going, but I want you to have more kids. 23:05.466 --> 23:08.466 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% I mean, that is not going to work. 23:09.100 --> 23:10.566 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Not in today's society. 23:10.566 --> 23:11.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% No it's not. 23:11.666 --> 23:14.466 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% So, anybody else want to throw anything in 23:14.466 --> 23:16.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% before we close the show? 23:16.233 --> 23:18.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, I think we saw, what, just this week 23:18.933 --> 23:21.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that there was a bill to help increase 23:21.733 --> 23:24.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% health, specifically in rural communities, 23:24.700 --> 23:26.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% focused on hospitals. 23:26.166 --> 23:28.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And so I do thin the administration is looking at 23:28.366 --> 23:32.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% what's happening in America and they are responding to it. 23:32.266 --> 23:33.166 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% At the same time, 23:33.566 --> 23:35.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% I think we've seen tim and time again in this country 23:35.666 --> 23:37.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where we've imported groups of people 23:37.533 --> 23:38.766 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% from different cultures, 23:38.766 --> 23:41.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and that has created problems, some of those problems 23:41.866 --> 23:44.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that we've never been able to get over. 23:44.666 --> 23:48.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so looking at immigration as a way of population 23:48.566 --> 23:49.933 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% increase does come 23:49.933 --> 23:52.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with its own sets of challenges when it comes to the culture 23:52.866 --> 23:53.666 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% of America 23:54.166 --> 23:56.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and blending those cultures together in a diverse way 23:56.933 --> 23:57.500 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% that allows 23:57.733 --> 23:59.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for all of them to feel included 23:59.300 --> 24:01.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% To piggyback off of that as well, 24:01.400 --> 24:02.600 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% if I could really quick, 24:02.600 --> 24:03.033 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% you know, 24:03.866 --> 24:05.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% the American birth rate and the growth of families, 24:05.733 --> 24:08.233 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% it's more than just numbers on a spreadsheet. 24:08.233 --> 24:10.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% It is a real cultural— 24:10.700 --> 24:12.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% It strikes at the heart of, 24:12.366 --> 24:12.933 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% you know, 24:12.933 --> 24:14.133 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% American families 24:14.133 --> 24:16.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% feeling like they can get ahead and stay ahead. 24:16.933 --> 24:18.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And we sort of saw this with the way 24:18.500 --> 24:22.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the Biden administration treated wage growth and job growth. 24:22.500 --> 24:24.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% There were a lot of working class voters 24:24.833 --> 24:28.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who rebelled against Democrat because the Biden administration 24:28.233 --> 24:30.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% would constantly point to numbers on a spreadsheet 24:30.300 --> 24:32.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and say, see, look, there are plenty of jobs. 24:32.733 --> 24:33.866 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% Wages are going up. 24:34.066 --> 24:36.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But there were a lot of working class American families 24:36.133 --> 24:38.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who didn't feel like that was extending to them, 24:38.533 --> 24:40.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because a lot of those economic numbers 24:40.300 --> 24:42.900 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% were being driven by foreign born workers. 24:42.900 --> 24:46.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so I do think you have t look at this more holistically 24:46.533 --> 24:51.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and not as just some sort of dry economic number in a vacuum. 24:51.066 --> 24:53.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Encouraging American families to have more children 24:53.733 --> 24:56.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and letting everyone have the number of children 24:56.066 --> 24:58.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that they want to have and not feel held 24:58.000 --> 25:01.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% back, you can' replace that with immigration. 25:01.433 --> 25:01.766 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% All right. 25:02.333 --> 25:04.133 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% And I'm sure that's something 25:04.133 --> 25:07.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that everybody at this momen in time is paying attention to 25:07.666 --> 25:11.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because we have a large grou of young people in this country 25:11.533 --> 25:14.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of childbearing age and they've been holding back, 25:14.566 --> 25:18.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and maybe they need t not hold back, I don't know, but 25:18.566 --> 25:19.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% whatever is going on 25:19.866 --> 25:23.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% now is not getting us t where we want to be right now. 25:23.833 --> 25:26.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% That's it for this edition of To the Contrary. 25:26.166 --> 25:29.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Keep the conversation going on our social media 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