WEBVTT 00:01.000 --> 00:02.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Funding for To The Contrary provided by: 00:11.733 --> 00:13.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% This week on To The Contrary: 00:13.900 --> 00:17.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% First, why women live longer than men. Then 00:17.633 --> 00:20.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the surprising reason travel for abortions 00:20.833 --> 00:21.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% is dropping. 00:41.933 --> 00:44.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Hello, I'm Bonnie Erbé. Welcome to To The Contrary, 00:45.100 --> 00:46.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a discussion of news 00:46.333 --> 00:49.133 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% and social trend from a variety of perspectives. 00:49.333 --> 00:52.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Up first: changing genetic lifespans. 00:53.066 --> 00:56.233 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% New studies show females live longer than men, 00:56.233 --> 01:00.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% not just among humans, but in most mammal species. 01:00.466 --> 01:04.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Genetics play a role as females have two X 01:04.200 --> 01:07.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% chromosomes that may protect against mutations. 01:07.666 --> 01:10.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Mating behaviors also matter, as males 01:10.733 --> 01:13.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% often take more risks or use more energy 01:13.933 --> 01:18.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% competing for mates. In humans, lifestyle adds to the gap. 01:18.633 --> 01:22.100 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Men smoke, drink and avoid doctors more often. 01:22.500 --> 01:26.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Scientists say men could live longer by adopting healthier 01:26.233 --> 01:31.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% habits, such as regular checkups and better diet and exercise. 01:31.600 --> 01:32.300 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Joining me 01:32.966 --> 01:36.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% this week are former Marylan Democratic Congresswoman Donna 01:36.333 --> 01:40.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Edwards, Republican strategist Ann Stone, New Amsterdam 01:40.900 --> 01:45.733 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% News's Sam Bennet and podcast host April Chapman. 01:46.100 --> 01:49.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What can men learn from women about living longer, 01:49.333 --> 01:50.700 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Donna Edwards? 01:50.700 --> 01:52.066 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Well, how about caregiving? 01:52.066 --> 01:54.233 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% That caregiving is a major contributor 01:54.233 --> 01:57.500 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% to women living longer, and so maybe men can adopt 01:57.500 --> 01:58.700 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% some of those strategies. 01:59.866 --> 02:03.366 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And the recent studies show that not only caregiving 02:03.366 --> 02:05.100 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% is a critical role, but social connections, 02:05.100 --> 02:08.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where women are much higher, of course, is instrumental. 02:08.100 --> 02:10.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And believe it or not, eating your breakfast 02:10.433 --> 02:12.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% first thing in the mornin seems to be a critical factor. 02:12.866 --> 02:14.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So if men just started eating their breakfast 02:14.766 --> 02:17.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% first thing in the morning, that might help. 02:17.233 --> 02:18.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% As you know, I'm 02:18.100 --> 02:20.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a female chauvinist, and frankly, 02:20.500 --> 02:22.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% there are a lot of things they can do 02:22.233 --> 02:25.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to maybe live a little longer but well always outlive them. 02:25.100 --> 02:28.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% There are many reasons we'll go into in a minute. 02:29.333 --> 02:31.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean, I don't know if the crisis is necessarily 02:31.766 --> 02:33.200 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% biological. 02:33.200 --> 02:36.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I'd like to have a conversation, though, about why, 02:36.266 --> 02:40.233 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% masculinit seems to be broken these days, 02:40.233 --> 02:41.600 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% but we can talk about that later. 02:42.900 --> 02:44.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% All right, now, let's start with, 02:44.600 --> 02:48.866 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% why we do think that the primary reason why, 02:49.266 --> 02:50.766 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% women outlive men, 02:50.766 --> 02:52.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% which has been the case for a long, 02:52.066 --> 02:55.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% long time, although the gap does close and open. 02:56.133 --> 02:56.433 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% Right. 02:57.133 --> 02:57.866 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Well I'd like to start by saying that 02:58.466 --> 03:01.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't believe that the crisis is necessarily biology. 03:01.733 --> 03:03.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I'm looking at what I see in modern 03:03.700 --> 03:05.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% society as broken masculinity. 03:05.500 --> 03:07.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% It's interesting that we're discussing 03:07.766 --> 03:11.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% masculinity and patriarch and how this whole conversation 03:11.533 --> 03:15.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% is centered around it, and often is framed as toxic. 03:15.566 --> 03:16.900 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% Ye we're sitting on the internet, 03:16.900 --> 03:18.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% we're using computers, you have technology, 03:18.933 --> 03:21.166 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and we're enjoying all of the modern comforts 03:21.166 --> 03:22.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that men have built. 03:22.733 --> 03:25.666 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And oftentimes we do that lacking gratitude. 03:25.666 --> 03:28.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% So to answer the question, men are wired 03:28.133 --> 03:30.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to protect, provide, and sacrifice everything 03:30.433 --> 03:33.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% for the good of others in a way that's different 03:33.200 --> 03:33.933 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% than women. 03:33.933 --> 03:34.966 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% But if you're—if you're— 03:34.966 --> 03:37.033 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% no, let me finish. 03:37.033 --> 03:39.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If what you're saying is accurate, 03:39.066 --> 03:42.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% then men should be outliving women, because the gender 03:42.500 --> 03:44.566 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% right now that is more caregiving, 03:44.566 --> 03:47.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% which is clearly women, is living longer. 03:47.433 --> 03:49.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So why isn't that working out with men and women? 03:49.566 --> 03:51.400 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% I'm arguing that they're shouldering 03:51.400 --> 03:53.300 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% the burdens of the world, burdens 03:53.300 --> 03:57.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that even our female physiology cannot imagine taking on. 03:57.366 --> 03:59.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And our modern culture wants to kill that. 03:59.966 --> 04:03.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% We've got women destroyin the lives of men, with 80% of us 04:03.966 --> 04:06.400 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% filing for divorces, taking away 04:06.400 --> 04:08.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the very thing that give men purpose, 04:08.366 --> 04:11.600 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% which is their families their children, their position 04:11.600 --> 04:16.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% in the world to prioritize what they've built. 04:16.100 --> 04:17.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And when you take that away, 04:17.933 --> 04:19.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we're doing all kinds of things 04:19.800 --> 04:21.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that we can have conversations about, 04:21.800 --> 04:24.733 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% are we shocke that men are not living longer? 04:24.733 --> 04:28.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% When our society begin to restore faith and purpose in 04:28.166 --> 04:32.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% just being a man, as opposed to demonizing masculinity, 04:32.133 --> 04:35.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% we might see more favorabl uptick in their health outcomes. 04:36.233 --> 04:39.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% I just don't think this ha anything to do with masculinity. 04:39.333 --> 04:42.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% It has to do with consuming more alcohol, eating poorly, 04:42.600 --> 04:43.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% not going to the doctor. 04:43.933 --> 04:45.300 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I mean, these are all like 04:45.300 --> 04:48.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% really contributing factors to the disparity 04:48.666 --> 04:52.033 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% between men's longevity and women's longevity 04:52.266 --> 04:56.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and perhaps if men focused o themselves in that kind of way, 04:56.533 --> 04:58.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% they could actually close that gap. 04:58.800 --> 04:59.533 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% And Donna— 04:59.833 --> 05:02.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But genetically, isn't it genetically 05:03.366 --> 05:05.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% pumped into them, in the sense? I have a nephew 05:05.700 --> 05:07.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% who has a crunched pelvis 05:07.933 --> 05:11.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% because he grew up riding motorcycles and 05:11.366 --> 05:15.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about 5 or 10 years ago, he was speeding around an exit ramp, 05:15.466 --> 05:16.700 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and he went off the ramp 05:16.700 --> 05:21.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and onto the mountain that he was trying to get around. 05:21.100 --> 05:23.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And now he can barely move around anymore. 05:23.533 --> 05:24.233 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But it's more based— 05:24.233 --> 05:25.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Women dont normally do that 05:25.966 --> 05:27.966 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% kind of stuff But it's more basic than that. 05:27.966 --> 05:29.766 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Donn touched on a lot of the points, 05:29.766 --> 05:31.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% but it goes even deeper than that. 05:31.800 --> 05:34.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% Women are the stronger part of the species. 05:34.933 --> 05:35.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% We're built 05:36.233 --> 05:39.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% differently with the double X chromosome versus their XY. 05:39.533 --> 05:40.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% They refer to the Y 05:40.700 --> 05:43.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% chromosome as a broken chromosome for a reason. 05:43.366 --> 05:47.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Almost all inherited genetic disorders are male. 05:47.566 --> 05:49.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% There are very few women for example, 05:49.966 --> 05:53.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that have many of the common genetic disorders. 05:53.533 --> 05:56.466 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It comes through that XY chromosome. 05:56.466 --> 05:59.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So they're destined to be weaker on many fronts. 06:00.400 --> 06:02.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Add to it the cultural things where they do 06:02.700 --> 06:04.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the risky behavior to impress us. 06:04.333 --> 06:06.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And because that's part of who they are 06:06.433 --> 06:07.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they're destined for problems. 06:07.866 --> 06:10.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% But it even goes to things like tear ducts. 06:11.466 --> 06:13.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% The fact that women can cry is one of the reasons 06:13.800 --> 06:15.133 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% we live longer. 06:15.133 --> 06:17.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% In fact, I remember givin a seminar to the men once, and 06:17.800 --> 06:20.066 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I said, you know what's a weakness of women? 06:20.066 --> 06:22.166 align:left position:12.5% line:77% size:77.5% Oh, they cry. I said well, actually, because we can 06:22.166 --> 06:24.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% cry is one of the reasons you die. And this guy 06:24.666 --> 06:25.800 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% went, “What?!” 06:25.800 --> 06:28.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I said our tear ducts work better than yours. 06:28.266 --> 06:30.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% They can't cry as easily as we do. 06:30.233 --> 06:31.466 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% And that's part of 06:31.466 --> 06:33.400 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% one of the thing that actually extends our life. 06:33.400 --> 06:34.366 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% Believe it or not. 06:34.766 --> 06:37.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, we have several things— Are we saying men are broken? 06:37.133 --> 06:39.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Men are broken because they don't cry? 06:39.166 --> 06:39.700 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% No, no, no. 06:39.700 --> 06:40.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Okay. 06:40.900 --> 06:43.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But one of the things this study also found is that 06:43.800 --> 06:47.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% women may have better genes, quote unquote, for longevity. 06:47.966 --> 06:50.900 align:left position:40% line:77% size:50% Yes. Because they have double X. Yes. 06:50.900 --> 06:53.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And so that's not a weakness. 06:53.733 --> 06:55.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's a strength. Absolutely. 06:55.900 --> 06:58.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It absolutely is, that—that's what I'm saying. 06:58.200 --> 07:02.033 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% The XY allows inherited disorders 07:02.033 --> 07:03.600 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% to come through the male. 07:03.600 --> 07:05.666 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% And that' why men have many more of them. 07:05.666 --> 07:06.733 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% Like hemophilia. 07:06.733 --> 07:09.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There are virtually no female hemophiliacs. 07:09.066 --> 07:10.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% They're almost all male. 07:10.300 --> 07:12.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'm telling you, it's a genetic thing. 07:12.966 --> 07:14.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I just point out the tear ducts 07:14.433 --> 07:16.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% as one other contributing factor. 07:16.533 --> 07:19.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We can release stress more easily than men can. 07:19.600 --> 07:20.400 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% Culturally, 07:20.866 --> 07:23.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% they've had it suppressed, but also physiologically, 07:23.466 --> 07:24.700 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% it's easier for us. 07:24.700 --> 07:25.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% There's a whole bunch of things 07:25.900 --> 07:28.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that could take an entire hour to go over. 07:28.433 --> 07:31.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Yeah, if we just look at thi from a straight up evolutionary 07:31.266 --> 07:35.166 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% standpoint, to have the gender that is able to 07:36.600 --> 07:37.700 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% have offspring 07:37.700 --> 07:39.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% to perpetuate the species, it makes sense 07:39.766 --> 07:41.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% it would need to be the stronger species. 07:41.433 --> 07:43.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% But that being said to your question, Bonnie, 07:43.666 --> 07:45.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I think you've hit the nail on the head. 07:45.366 --> 07:46.200 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% There are simple— 07:46.466 --> 07:48.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% We have so many studies now about longevity, 07:48.500 --> 07:51.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and the recent ones are really stressing social 07:51.333 --> 07:54.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% connectivity and simple life habits, right? 07:54.733 --> 07:55.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% When do you eat your breakfast, 07:55.933 --> 07:56.866 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% believe it or not, 07:57.066 --> 07:59.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% is one of the leading ones they've discovered 07:59.300 --> 08:01.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in some of these long term studies they've done. 08:01.733 --> 08:05.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So I think that our belove husbands and nephews and sons, 08:06.033 --> 08:06.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% just adopting 08:07.300 --> 08:09.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% some different practices could make a big difference 08:09.400 --> 08:11.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in their lives and their longevity. 08:11.333 --> 08:13.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The government would actually bring me in after 08:13.066 --> 08:16.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% they'd have sexual harassment training to get me in there, 08:16.866 --> 08:19.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get men and women talking to each other again. 08:19.300 --> 08:21.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And by the time I would g through a whole host of things 08:21.800 --> 08:23.833 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that—differences between men and women 08:23.833 --> 08:25.066 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% and point out to the women 08:25.066 --> 08:26.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that we're always going to outlive them. 08:26.366 --> 08:28.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% By the end of it, everybody was laughing, 08:28.466 --> 08:30.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% joking, and the women are going, oh, you poor guys. 08:30.533 --> 08:32.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We didn't realize, it's so sad. 08:32.666 --> 08:35.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'd just like to say that men are outworking 08:35.333 --> 08:37.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% and outperforming women hand over fist, 08:37.666 --> 08:40.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and they are doing things that we don't want to do. 08:40.600 --> 08:43.100 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% They are fighting wars, digging ditches— Right. 08:43.100 --> 08:46.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% —creating the creature comforts that we get to enjoy. 08:46.500 --> 08:48.066 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And it concerns me that 08:48.066 --> 08:52.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the framing of this discussion is if we are somehow better 08:52.233 --> 08:53.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% than them, as opposed to 08:53.733 --> 08:56.366 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% perhaps our creator created us different 08:56.366 --> 08:57.700 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% so that we would all have 08:57.700 --> 09:01.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% our own unique reasons of inherent value, 09:01.833 --> 09:03.466 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% that one's not better than the other, 09:03.466 --> 09:04.833 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% but it is fundamentally 09:04.833 --> 09:07.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% different to accomplish the task that we were designed 09:07.933 --> 09:09.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to complete. 09:10.733 --> 09:13.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Let me step back from this for a moment and just say, 09:13.400 --> 09:15.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I don't think we're talking about who's better. 09:15.433 --> 09:17.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It's not a competition here. 09:17.300 --> 09:21.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% There just—there's a ne medically back study that shows 09:21.766 --> 09:24.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% why women live longer than men. 09:24.633 --> 09:26.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That may be a curse in disguise. 09:26.766 --> 09:28.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Who knows? I'm just saying. 09:28.233 --> 09:29.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We're not saying anyone's better. 09:29.733 --> 09:32.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% We're just saying there's this difference. 09:32.300 --> 09:33.900 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Yeah, and it does give us— 09:33.900 --> 09:36.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% It does give us a reason to think about policies 09:36.933 --> 09:37.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% differently. 09:37.633 --> 09:38.900 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% If you have women who are 09:38.900 --> 09:41.733 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% living to age 81, we need to think about 09:41.733 --> 09:44.733 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% what that means, is we have women who are caregivers, 09:44.733 --> 09:48.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you know, up through, you know, their retirement years. 09:48.433 --> 09:49.400 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% We need to think about 09:49.700 --> 09:52.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% the policies that we need, that contribute to that. 09:53.000 --> 09:54.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And then looking at the combination 09:54.966 --> 09:57.033 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% of biology and genetics. 09:57.033 --> 10:00.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I would not argue that women don't work hard. 10:00.233 --> 10:03.933 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% Women, you know, bear children, 10:03.933 --> 10:06.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% they work in and outside the home, 10:06.800 --> 10:09.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% they do lots of things that actually contribute 10:09.833 --> 10:11.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% to the broader community. 10:11.466 --> 10:14.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And so, as Bonnie said this is not about a competition. 10:14.366 --> 10:18.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It's about identifyin empirical facts about why it is 10:18.433 --> 10:21.466 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% that wome have greater longevity than men, 10:21.700 --> 10:24.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and then creating the kind of policies that really help 10:24.600 --> 10:28.066 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% to support either men's increased longevity, 10:28.533 --> 10:31.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% or what happens with wome toward the end of their lives. 10:31.666 --> 10:33.166 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Yeah, the point I hope we're making, 10:33.166 --> 10:35.600 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and I think we do agree— we're different; 10:35.600 --> 10:36.966 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% doesn't make one better than the other. 10:36.966 --> 10:38.200 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% But actually, 10:38.200 --> 10:39.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% the more you stud all this, you're going to find, 10:39.966 --> 10:42.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% the more men and women work together in partnership. 10:42.233 --> 10:44.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We actually were made to work together 10:44.566 --> 10:47.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in partnership and that makes us both stronger. 10:47.433 --> 10:50.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% But men could adapt a lot of our cultural habits 10:50.533 --> 10:52.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that probably would make them live a little bit longer. 10:52.966 --> 10:54.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Wed still outlive them, though. 10:54.700 --> 10:56.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And simple thing like just going to the doctor. 10:56.466 --> 10:59.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% There's a lot of research that shows that men are long 10:59.000 --> 11:00.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% delayed compared to women in going to doctors. 11:00.833 --> 11:04.066 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So, you know, PSA campaigns about get to your doctor, 11:04.066 --> 11:05.400 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% eat your breakfast 11:05.400 --> 11:07.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and make friends you know, connect with people. 11:07.600 --> 11:10.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Those simple, basic things could have, to Donna's point, 11:10.966 --> 11:14.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a discernible empirical impact in the longevity of men. 11:14.033 --> 11:14.633 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% So true. 11:15.600 --> 11:17.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I do remember, I do remember doing 11:17.733 --> 11:21.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a story years ago about the fact that women were responsible— 11:21.166 --> 11:23.666 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I don't know that these data are current, 11:23.666 --> 11:26.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but I'm just saying years ago, it was certainly true. 11:26.233 --> 11:29.500 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Wome made 80% of medical appointments 11:29.500 --> 11:31.533 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% for the whole family, 80%. 11:31.533 --> 11:33.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I was just about to say that. 11:33.166 --> 11:34.033 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% In yesteryear, 11:34.433 --> 11:37.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the wife was responsible for the health, the least— 11:37.766 --> 11:39.133 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% the main responsibility 11:39.133 --> 11:41.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% of setting all o the appointments for the family, 11:41.566 --> 11:42.733 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% reminding everyone 11:42.733 --> 11:44.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to take their supplements and their vitamins. 11:44.566 --> 11:46.033 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% And they were doing that. 11:46.033 --> 11:49.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But now when you have 80% of of divorces being filed 11:49.800 --> 11:53.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% by women, and men no longer have their one flesh partners 11:53.633 --> 11:56.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% well into their older age, the dynamics of what that's 11:56.833 --> 12:00.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% going to look like culturally is going to be different. 12:00.600 --> 12:02.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And that's a discussion, by the way, 12:02.966 --> 12:05.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we need to have on this show, moving out. 12:05.433 --> 12:07.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Why does everybody think it's 12:07.366 --> 12:10.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% such a great advantage to outlive 12:10.200 --> 12:13.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% your gender or outlive the other gender, or outlive, 12:13.900 --> 12:16.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, some races live longer than others. 12:16.966 --> 12:21.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In some ways, it's really hard being 90 without a mate and 12:22.233 --> 12:24.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% not in such great physical shape. 12:24.800 --> 12:28.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I think there are benefits and detriments 12:28.400 --> 12:29.500 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% to both sides. 12:29.500 --> 12:30.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Let us know what you think. 12:30.833 --> 12:34.333 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% Please follow me on X @BonnieErbe. 12:34.333 --> 12:35.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% From longevity 12:35.800 --> 12:38.700 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% to reproductive health trends. New data 12:38.700 --> 12:42.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% from the Guttmacher Institute show that for the first time 12:42.533 --> 12:45.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% since Roe v Wade was overturned, fewer 12:45.600 --> 12:48.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% women are traveling out of state for abortions. 12:48.933 --> 12:52.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% This is largely du to the rising use of telehealth 12:52.433 --> 12:56.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% appointments and abortion pills under so-called shield laws 12:56.866 --> 13:00.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that protect providers in restrictive states. 13:00.733 --> 13:03.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But even those resources could be restricted 13:03.500 --> 13:06.566 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in the future, as ongoing legal challenges 13:06.766 --> 13:10.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and funding shortfalls continue to threaten access. 13:10.733 --> 13:13.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So Ann Stone, my first question on this to you. 13:14.266 --> 13:18.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I suppose with the the Trump administration 13:19.033 --> 13:20.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% running the country, 13:20.333 --> 13:23.700 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% we can expect to see more cut offs of access to, 13:24.166 --> 13:27.733 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% you know, next is, is, you know, 13:28.633 --> 13:31.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% medication abortions that you can get by taking a pill. 13:31.866 --> 13:34.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Well, the good news i they did drop all the lawsuits 13:34.533 --> 13:37.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that DOJ had against abortion providers and on abortion 13:37.800 --> 13:38.633 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% pill and all that. 13:39.000 --> 13:42.233 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% So that's being left alone pretty much right now. 13:42.566 --> 13:45.400 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% However, there is a review. 13:45.400 --> 13:48.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They forced HHS to do a review of the current abortion pill. 13:48.900 --> 13:50.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't think anything is going to come of it. 13:50.800 --> 13:54.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Plus, we had a new abortion pill just approved, which the 13:54.366 --> 13:55.333 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% right to life folks 13:55.533 --> 13:58.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in, in, the GOP are absolutely going nuts over. 13:58.433 --> 14:00.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Theyre very angry that it got approved. 14:00.700 --> 14:04.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% But since upwards of two thirds of abortions 14:04.433 --> 14:05.533 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% now are through— 14:05.533 --> 14:07.200 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% are medication abortions, 14:07.200 --> 14:09.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they don't have to go to clinics anymore. 14:09.466 --> 14:11.100 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% So it's really made it 14:11.100 --> 14:14.266 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% impossible for the right to life folks to stop abortion. 14:14.466 --> 14:16.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And this is something I've tol them for a long time. You know, 14:17.800 --> 14:20.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% find other ways to reach peopl if you want to change their mind 14:20.366 --> 14:21.333 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% on abortion. 14:21.333 --> 14:22.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Find other ways to reach 14:22.800 --> 14:25.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% than the way you've been going because it's not going to work. 14:26.433 --> 14:28.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% What about these new laws that are coming along? 14:28.733 --> 14:32.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% You mentioned one of them, the so-called shield laws 14:32.566 --> 14:36.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that are supposed to protect access to 14:36.833 --> 14:41.266 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% onlin chemicals, chemical abortions, 14:41.600 --> 14:45.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but that the smaller and smaller states are now 14:45.433 --> 14:46.366 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% overturning that 14:46.733 --> 14:49.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% making it not possibl in the more conservative states. 14:49.700 --> 14:52.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Well, there's 18 states where it's secure, 14:52.500 --> 14:56.200 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% plus the District of Columbia. In the other states, like for example Texas 14:56.200 --> 14:59.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% sued a doctor in New York for sending pills into Texas. 15:00.200 --> 15:02.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And that case blew up in their— 15:02.466 --> 15:04.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% blew up in their face. Its not going to happen. 15:04.500 --> 15:07.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% New York's not going to allow it to be enforced. 15:07.200 --> 15:09.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think you're going to find case law on 15:09.100 --> 15:11.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% this is going to be built where they can't stop it. 15:11.633 --> 15:12.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% They cannot— 15:12.300 --> 15:13.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% If the pill is legitimate, 15:13.766 --> 15:15.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% they're not gonna be able to stop it. 15:15.066 --> 15:17.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% They even tried to revive some of the old laws 15:17.133 --> 15:19.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% making it, you know if it's going through the mail 15:19.266 --> 15:21.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% like they had back in the turn of the century, 15:21.700 --> 15:23.966 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% we'll try to stop it. It's not going to work. 15:26.233 --> 15:30.166 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% There is a very huge safety concern with providing women, 15:30.166 --> 15:32.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% that we claim that we care about, 15:32.133 --> 15:34.666 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% access to this form of health care. 15:34.666 --> 15:37.833 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% The problem is there' a huge void of accountability. 15:37.833 --> 15:40.466 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We've got this technology and I understand it. 15:40.466 --> 15:44.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But the mail order abortions to me is not women's health 15:44.300 --> 15:47.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% when you have women that oftentimes are passing 15:48.000 --> 15:51.966 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% the remains of their babies alone, they are hemorrhaging. 15:51.966 --> 15:55.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There are some serious dangers associated with this pill 15:55.300 --> 15:58.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because it's not done under doctor's care or supervision. 15:59.000 --> 16:01.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now, the shield laws, they are protecting doctors, 16:01.866 --> 16:03.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% but they're not protecting women. 16:03.566 --> 16:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Real care requires oversight. 16:06.000 --> 16:09.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% If women are being harmed by the abortion pill passing, 16:09.866 --> 16:13.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% like I said, the remains of their own offspring alone. 16:13.300 --> 16:16.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% That is not a very pleasant experience. 16:16.066 --> 16:18.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% We can't say that we want to protect women 16:18.800 --> 16:21.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and save women, yet we're giving them access 16:21.633 --> 16:24.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to a form of health care void of accountability. 16:24.133 --> 16:27.400 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% That is a level of danger 16:27.400 --> 16:29.100 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that I don't think any of us are prepared 16:29.100 --> 16:31.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to have a conversation about, 16:31.033 --> 16:34.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because we simply just want to give them access to— 16:36.633 --> 16:38.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Donna, Donna, I want to go to you, 16:38.366 --> 16:39.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% but let me just start out by saying 16:39.800 --> 16:42.066 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, 16:42.066 --> 16:43.800 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that the medical community has said 16:43.800 --> 16:45.833 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% that abortion, having an abortion, 16:45.833 --> 16:48.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% especially an early term abortion, is safer 16:48.833 --> 16:51.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% than having a baby for women. 16:51.233 --> 16:52.500 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% Yes. Yeah. 16:52.500 --> 16:55.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, what I was going to say, Bonnie, is just this: 16:55.300 --> 16:59.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that merely saying that access to medication abortion 17:00.233 --> 17:03.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is endangering women and harming their lives does not bear 17:04.266 --> 17:07.866 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% truth to the reality of the safety 17:08.066 --> 17:11.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and efficacy that's been found over and over again 17:12.433 --> 17:17.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% with these medication abortions. 17:17.000 --> 17:21.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And so, merely saying it is true is not the reality. 17:21.633 --> 17:25.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% These are incredibly safe. Women having access to telemedicine 17:25.866 --> 17:30.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with a health care provider we provide lots of other kinds 17:30.000 --> 17:33.766 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% of services via telemedicine 17:33.766 --> 17:35.633 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% that are safe as well. 17:35.633 --> 17:38.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And so I agree with Ann, that states 17:38.733 --> 17:40.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% are going to try to stop this. 17:40.333 --> 17:42.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I just don't think it's really possible. 17:42.666 --> 17:45.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And I guess that's why the one avenue 17:45.300 --> 17:48.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that's being pursued by this administration 17:48.233 --> 17:51.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% is to try to go the regulatory avenue. 17:51.300 --> 17:55.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% But no panel of physicians is going to undercut 17:55.466 --> 17:59.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% what has been years of research into the 17:59.500 --> 18:01.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% safety of these medications. 18:01.900 --> 18:03.566 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And that's why they're having a— 18:03.566 --> 18:06.533 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% thats why theyre having a review, that is why they're having a review. 18:06.533 --> 18:07.933 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% But, again, 18:07.933 --> 18:11.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the cases are very, very scarce where there's been a problem. 18:11.733 --> 18:11.966 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% Right. 18:13.200 --> 18:15.700 align:left position:15% line:77% size:75% But even you said earlier Ann, and I was surprised by that. 18:15.700 --> 18:16.533 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And I know that you're 18:16.866 --> 18:20.966 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% pro-choice, bu only 20 states, I guess it is, 18:20.966 --> 18:24.300 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% have these shield laws, meaning 30— 18:24.300 --> 18:25.200 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Yeah. 18:25.200 --> 18:26.300 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% 30 don't. 18:26.300 --> 18:28.133 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% So— We're working on it. 18:29.966 --> 18:30.833 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% It's—it's— 18:31.166 --> 18:33.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it's still, I think— it's disappointing, though, 18:33.800 --> 18:36.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% to sit—like we're all women here, right? 18:36.833 --> 18:40.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We were all once a baby. To hear our— 18:40.433 --> 18:42.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It sounds like there's just such a bloodthirst 18:42.600 --> 18:45.500 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% for the rebellio to promote a culture of death. 18:45.500 --> 18:46.566 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Oh my goodness. 18:46.566 --> 18:49.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Where we are killing, it is, is it— 18:49.766 --> 18:52.366 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% It's a baby. It's alive. They are. 18:53.833 --> 18:55.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% April, you speak things 18:55.300 --> 18:56.466 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% as though theyre true. 18:56.466 --> 19:00.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think there's, you know, a wide opinion— 19:00.766 --> 19:04.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% My, my, my world view affirms 19:04.500 --> 19:07.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the life, the sanctity of life in the womb, a life 19:07.266 --> 19:10.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that you were at one point, at one point of gestation. 19:10.400 --> 19:14.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You were a small, tiny life but you were still significant. 19:14.300 --> 19:15.033 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% That world 19:15.600 --> 19:18.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% view is a very narrow view that's not held by the vast 19:18.300 --> 19:20.433 align:left position:35% line:77% size:55% majority of the American people. This is personal for me, 19:20.433 --> 19:23.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because abortion devastates black communities. 19:23.866 --> 19:26.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now, I know black communities need to take responsibility 19:26.900 --> 19:28.200 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% for our own demise. 19:28.200 --> 19:28.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% But does that mean 19:29.500 --> 19:32.633 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% that you need to be an ally to help us finish the job? 19:32.866 --> 19:34.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, are we at least willing to admit— 19:34.233 --> 19:37.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% unless you're willing to admit that you're okay 19:37.000 --> 19:40.833 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% with racially targeting black women 19:40.833 --> 19:44.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with these pills to allow us to— 19:44.866 --> 19:46.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm so sorry, April. 19:46.266 --> 19:47.600 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% I'm the president of the nation's 19:47.600 --> 19:49.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% most influential, oldest continuously published 19:49.766 --> 19:52.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Black newspaper, Amsterdam News, in New York City. 19:52.633 --> 19:55.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% If you promote—if you are acively promoting 19:55.800 --> 19:59.433 align:left position:12.5% line:77% size:77.5% and targeting black women— Let me finish— One at a time, please. 19:59.433 --> 20:02.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% —progeny in the womb, you're part of the problem. 20:02.200 --> 20:04.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Respectfully, let me finish. 20:04.133 --> 20:05.933 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% I will. To Donna's point, 20:05.933 --> 20:07.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% nothing you're saying is true. 20:07.500 --> 20:10.533 align:left position:22.5% line:77% size:67.5% That is not true. The Amsterdam News stands firmly, stands firmly 20:11.166 --> 20:12.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% behind black women's rights. 20:12.933 --> 20:16.300 align:left position:10% line:77% size:80% April, you have to let other people finish their comments. 20:16.300 --> 20:17.766 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% You're the science people. 20:17.766 --> 20:19.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Science disagrees. I'm sorry, 20:19.900 --> 20:22.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Im not disagreeing with you, Im pointing out that 20:22.133 --> 20:24.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% what you're saying is misinformation. 20:24.666 --> 20:27.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I work for one of the highest reputation black country— 20:27.500 --> 20:29.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% black newspapers in the country. 20:29.133 --> 20:32.200 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% We hold our reputation very high on fact 20:32.200 --> 20:35.266 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% checking and actual news instead of misinformation. 20:35.266 --> 20:36.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% With all due respect, April, 20:36.666 --> 20:39.266 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% what you're saying is misinformation and it is not true. 20:39.266 --> 20:40.300 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% It is not. 20:40.300 --> 20:41.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% It's propaganda 20:41.600 --> 20:43.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to tell black women that it's okay 20:43.700 --> 20:46.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for them to kill their babies because it's health care. 20:46.000 --> 20:49.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Youre actually saying that black women, as black women, 20:49.100 --> 20:52.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% that we don't have agency to control our own bodies. 20:52.100 --> 20:54.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And that is really that's actually more disturbing— 20:54.733 --> 20:57.333 align:left position:15% line:77% size:75% —not your body. Thats a different body. That's more disturbing— 20:57.333 --> 20:57.866 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% Wait, wait. 20:57.866 --> 20:59.033 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% Hold on a second. 20:59.033 --> 21:02.233 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% No. If you're all talking at the same time, 21:02.533 --> 21:05.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% nobody can hear any of you— And I understand that. 21:05.466 --> 21:08.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% So, respectfully, I will concede the point 21:08.466 --> 21:11.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and move the conversation over. 21:11.633 --> 21:13.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But I am not pushing propaganda. 21:13.866 --> 21:16.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% Science disagrees with your position. 21:16.933 --> 21:18.766 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% April, actually, science is not as cut 21:18.766 --> 21:21.766 align:left position:15% line:71% size:75% and dry as you're saying. Oh, it is. But we don't have— Wait. 21:22.233 --> 21:23.200 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% As she just asked, 21:23.200 --> 21:24.766 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% don't speak over. 21:24.766 --> 21:27.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The point is, we'd spend hours. 21:27.533 --> 21:29.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've been working on this issue for over 40 years. 21:29.733 --> 21:31.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Wed spend hours discussing this. 21:31.666 --> 21:34.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There's a lot more to it than we're even getting into here. 21:34.300 --> 21:35.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But that's why I said earlier. 21:35.866 --> 21:39.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Better to try new ways to get people 21:39.000 --> 21:40.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to not get pregnant in the first place. 21:40.633 --> 21:43.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Unintended pregnancy is the reason for abortion, 21:43.533 --> 21:45.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and to find ways to support them 21:45.233 --> 21:47.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% if they want to carry the child. 21:47.033 --> 21:50.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So the point is, the discussion that we're having here, 21:50.633 --> 21:54.466 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% though, is on the efficacy of abortion pills and why 21:54.466 --> 21:56.233 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% now people aren't traveling out of state 21:56.233 --> 21:57.400 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% and they aren't, because 21:57.633 --> 22:00.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we've progressed to where it is, mainly medication abortion. 22:00.633 --> 22:03.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% That's why, again, April, if you want to stop abortion 22:03.500 --> 22:05.433 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% in the Black community or elsewhere, 22:05.433 --> 22:07.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% your tactics have to change. 22:07.600 --> 22:08.933 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% That's all. 22:08.933 --> 22:11.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I just wanted to point out from my standpoint again, 22:11.333 --> 22:14.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as president of Amsterdam News the nation's most influential, 22:14.233 --> 22:17.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% oldest continuously publishe black newspaper has always stood 22:17.566 --> 22:19.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with a black woman publisher who's owned 22:19.166 --> 22:22.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the newspaper with her family for over 75 years. 22:22.233 --> 22:25.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We stand with a woman's righ to choose, Black or otherwise, 22:25.400 --> 22:26.866 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% because it is the best— 22:26.866 --> 22:28.033 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% putting 22:28.033 --> 22:30.000 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the health of the mother first is always 22:30.000 --> 22:32.133 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% what is the most important thing. 22:32.133 --> 22:35.566 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% Is there anybody who thinks that somebody 22:35.566 --> 22:37.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% other than the woman, 22:37.066 --> 22:39.833 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% or if you want to add her doctor, 22:39.833 --> 22:42.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% should be a part of this decision? 22:42.333 --> 22:43.933 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% I'm just curious. 22:43.933 --> 22:46.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I'm just about protecting all lives 22:46.333 --> 22:49.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% from age of gestation all the way to end of life. 22:49.333 --> 22:52.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% And I just don't agree wit turning telehealth into teledeat 22:53.000 --> 22:55.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% We can't claim to champio women's rights and then promote 22:55.833 --> 22:59.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% mail order abortions that harm both the body and the soul. 22:59.633 --> 23:02.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% No one talks about the lack of aftercare 23:02.533 --> 23:05.566 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and physician attention that's given to these women 23:05.566 --> 23:07.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who have heard their testimonies and stories, 23:07.866 --> 23:09.633 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% where they've been misrepresented 23:09.633 --> 23:11.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and told that, oh, it's going to be simple. 23:11.500 --> 23:12.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's just a little cramping. 23:12.933 --> 23:14.800 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And this is a traumatic 23:14.800 --> 23:17.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% medical event that these women are experiencing alone. 23:18.866 --> 23:19.400 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% Well, I 23:20.233 --> 23:23.366 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% guess I would like to se that borne out by the evidence. 23:23.366 --> 23:27.400 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And I haven't see any evidentiary base other than 23:27.733 --> 23:31.833 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% anecdotal examples. 23:32.200 --> 23:36.133 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% And so what we do know is that these 23:36.133 --> 23:40.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% medically provided abortions are safe, 23:40.133 --> 23:43.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the drugs that are used are safe. 23:43.366 --> 23:48.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And that women's experience with them is safe as well. 23:48.300 --> 23:49.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And so I can only go 23:49.666 --> 23:53.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by the evidence, and I believe in the ability of women 23:54.066 --> 23:56.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to make that decision for themselves. 23:56.366 --> 23:59.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It's not my decision for some other woman. 23:59.266 --> 24:02.266 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% It's not somebody other than a doctor 24:02.266 --> 24:05.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in consultation with a woman's decision. 24:05.633 --> 24:08.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And so I respect the agency of women 24:08.833 --> 24:11.533 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% to make those decisions for themselves 24:11.533 --> 24:13.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% with the safety of the drugs 24:13.366 --> 24:15.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that are available on the market now. 24:15.533 --> 24:18.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And the sad truth is that we'd make much more progress 24:18.866 --> 24:22.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% if the two sides would sit down and find common ground 24:22.233 --> 24:25.233 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% solution that make abortion unnecessary 24:25.700 --> 24:28.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% and/or that support women both before pregnancy 24:28.833 --> 24:30.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and after pregnancy, 24:30.000 --> 24:33.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% even if it's after terminating a pregnancy. 24:33.200 --> 24:35.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% So much is spent going at each other 24:35.866 --> 24:38.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and not enough time talking to each other 24:38.233 --> 24:40.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and really trying to find— because there's a lot 24:40.100 --> 24:42.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% of common ground solution that are available out there if 24:42.100 --> 24:44.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% people will talk to each other. 24:44.000 --> 24:44.933 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% Agreed. 24:45.133 --> 24:47.366 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Can I tell you what George Harrison told me? 24:47.366 --> 24:49.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Believe it or not, George Harrison reached out— 24:49.700 --> 24:53.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The Beatle reached out to me, after one of my speeches 24:53.566 --> 24:54.766 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% in Florida, 24:54.766 --> 24:57.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and he said, what you have to do is tell people 24:57.333 --> 25:00.100 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that the body is the temple for the soul, 25:00.100 --> 25:03.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and therefore the human can't be complete until the soul, 25:03.633 --> 25:06.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% until the temple is complete for the soul to come in. 25:06.400 --> 25:09.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And I appreciate—I told hi I appreciated his observation, 25:09.233 --> 25:12.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but that was a little esoteric to get into on TV. 25:12.066 --> 25:13.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% But so that's why I've always been 25:13.966 --> 25:15.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% very comfortable, I told him. I said 25:15.233 --> 25:17.000 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% I actually believed exactly as he did. 25:17.000 --> 25:18.466 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Yeah, we just disagree. 25:18.466 --> 25:21.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We just want—we want abortion to be safe and rare. 25:22.400 --> 25:24.066 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% It's what we all want. 25:24.066 --> 25:24.666 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% All right. 25:25.233 --> 25:27.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% That's it for this edition of To The Contrary. 25:27.533 --> 25:30.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Please keep the conversation going on our social media 25:30.500 --> 25:34.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% platforms: Instagram, Facebook, X and TikTok. 25:34.766 --> 25:38.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Reach out to us @tothecontrary, visit our website. 25:38.733 --> 25:40.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The address is on the screen 25:40.900 --> 25:44.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and whether you agree or think to the contrary, 25:44.133 --> 25:45.100 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% see you next time. 26:17.133 --> 26:19.733 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Funding for To The Contrary provided by: 26:42.433 --> 26:44.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You're watching PBS.