WEBVTT 00:00.933 --> 00:03.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Funding for To The Contrary provided by the E. 00:03.366 --> 00:04.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Rhodes and Leona B. 00:04.600 --> 00:09.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% Carpenter Foundation, The Park Foundation, and the Charles A. 00:09.233 --> 00:11.666 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% Frueauff Foundation. 00:11.666 --> 00:12.300 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% coming up. 00:12.300 --> 00:13.933 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% On to the contrary, 00:13.933 --> 00:17.033 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% abortion rights heat up in the presidential race 00:17.033 --> 00:21.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as court challenges proliferate and President Biden and VP 00:21.366 --> 00:26.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Kamala Harris focus in to score points against Republicans, 00:26.066 --> 00:29.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% then church, state and your tax dollars. 00:29.966 --> 00:30.333 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% You may 00:31.166 --> 00:33.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% or may not want your money going to fund Christian schools. 00:34.066 --> 00:36.600 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% But what about Wiccan schools? 00:36.600 --> 00:53.833 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% Intro Music 00:56.133 --> 00:57.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Hello, I'm Bonnie Erbe. 00:57.633 --> 01:00.500 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Welcome to To The Contrary, a discussion of news 01:00.500 --> 01:03.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and social trends from diverse perspectives. 01:03.733 --> 01:07.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Up first are abortion decisions a matter of health 01:07.933 --> 01:10.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% or a matter of religious wars? 01:10.266 --> 01:13.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The Supreme Court sides with the Biden administration 01:13.366 --> 01:16.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% dismissing the dispute over Idahos abortion law. 01:17.100 --> 01:20.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This will allow doctors temporary access 01:20.000 --> 01:23.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to perform emergency abortions, at least until lower courts 01:23.966 --> 01:27.733 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% rule, and look for Trump's Supreme Court appointees 01:27.966 --> 01:30.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% to be a major talking point for Democrats 01:30.800 --> 01:33.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% up and down the ballot in November. 01:33.600 --> 01:36.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They will bring attention to the fact that Trump appointed 01:36.700 --> 01:41.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% justices were the key to overturning Roe versus Wade. 01:41.800 --> 01:45.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Joining us today, Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, Democrat 01:45.733 --> 01:49.866 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% from Washington, DC, Republican strategist and Stone, 01:50.400 --> 01:54.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% author and political scientist Laura Brown and Jenny Gentles 01:54.533 --> 01:56.733 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% of the Independent Women's Forum. 01:56.733 --> 01:57.866 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Welcome, everybody. 01:58.833 --> 01:59.966 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% So, Eleanor, 01:59.966 --> 02:03.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% the Supreme Court is now close to wrapping up its term. 02:04.100 --> 02:06.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% How would you, summarize 02:06.800 --> 02:10.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% what it's done for or against abortion rights? 02:10.133 --> 02:14.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And how will that play in, in terms of the elections? 02:14.500 --> 02:15.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% Well, the Supreme 02:15.800 --> 02:19.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Court has not been very cordial to abortion rights, 02:19.766 --> 02:23.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and it has made abortion rights 02:23.300 --> 02:27.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% a major issue in this coming election. 02:27.400 --> 02:33.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So you would say it's the it's the Trump appointees and the, 02:33.000 --> 02:38.200 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% and, Justices Clarence Thomas, who was a 02:38.200 --> 02:43.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% was a Bush appointee and, Alito, who are responsible 02:43.133 --> 02:45.033 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% for abortion being a 02:45.033 --> 02:48.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if not the major issue for Democrats this this year. 02:48.766 --> 02:50.733 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Yeah, it's always elevated the issue. 02:50.733 --> 02:53.233 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% It's it's propelled the issue. 02:53.233 --> 02:56.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The Supreme Court has done that, and it's made it 02:56.366 --> 02:59.633 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% a major issue in this upcoming election in November. 02:59.633 --> 03:03.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Your point is, a long time court watcher and Yale educated 03:03.466 --> 03:07.166 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% lawyer, as I love to point out and bother you about it. 03:07.700 --> 03:11.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% but anyway, or are these 03:11.733 --> 03:15.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% are these votes on the court, do you think, responsible 03:15.066 --> 03:15.900 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% in large part? 03:16.200 --> 03:20.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% In no part at all for public approval rating of 37%? 03:20.766 --> 03:22.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Oh, I certainly think so. These, 03:23.900 --> 03:27.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% these, decisions, have, 03:29.033 --> 03:31.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% had a terrible effect on the Supreme Court 03:31.766 --> 03:34.666 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% and I think, partly 03:34.666 --> 03:37.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% if not entirely responsible for its low, low ratings 03:37.766 --> 03:38.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% with the public. 03:38.266 --> 03:39.700 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Let me go to you. 03:39.700 --> 03:44.833 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And as a long time pro-choice Republican, 03:44.833 --> 03:49.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% when there were such people in large numbers in your party, 03:49.333 --> 03:52.966 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% your thoughts on the Supreme Court's term thus far 03:52.966 --> 03:56.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and what it will do to President Trump's, 03:56.733 --> 03:58.733 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% chances for reelection in November? 03:58.733 --> 04:02.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% It's like the old adage, of the dog that chases the bus 04:02.433 --> 04:05.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and catches it by the tailpipe, then what does it do? 04:05.733 --> 04:09.866 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% truly, they're in a position now of getting what they thought 04:09.866 --> 04:12.866 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% they wanted and finding out it was not everything, 04:13.133 --> 04:14.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% that they thought it would be. 04:14.366 --> 04:16.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And a big part of it is, as I've said to people 04:16.600 --> 04:17.766 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% getting again, 04:17.766 --> 04:21.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the Republican side failed to realize that every state 04:21.166 --> 04:25.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% initiative since ro in 1973, every single state initiative, 04:26.133 --> 04:28.500 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% the pro-choice side always won 04:28.500 --> 04:30.500 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% whenever this went to the voters. 04:30.500 --> 04:31.900 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% Voters overwhelmingly, 04:31.900 --> 04:35.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% even in states that said they were pro-life, voted pro-choice. 04:35.666 --> 04:38.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And that is because the label pro-life. 04:38.100 --> 04:40.600 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Pro-Choice is meaningless. 04:40.600 --> 04:43.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% The Republican Party now has a closer division pro-life. 04:43.133 --> 04:45.900 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% Pro-Choice side advantage. Still pro-choice. 04:45.900 --> 04:48.533 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% But if you ask them who should make the decision, 04:48.533 --> 04:51.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% it's 70 to 80% of Republicans want women 04:51.266 --> 04:52.700 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% in charge of the decision. 04:52.700 --> 04:55.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% People want women to control their own lives. 04:55.633 --> 04:58.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that's why this really hurts the Republican Party 04:58.466 --> 05:01.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that says the party of giving people control of their lives 05:01.700 --> 05:04.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and certainly wanting government out of the boardroom. 05:04.166 --> 05:06.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we're saying we'll get them out of the bedroom. Two. 05:06.600 --> 05:09.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Right. That used to be a very popular phrase. 05:09.300 --> 05:09.833 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% Still is 05:11.466 --> 05:11.733 align:left position:42.5% line:89% size:47.5% right. 05:12.033 --> 05:13.200 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% I did want to jump in. 05:13.200 --> 05:15.533 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% We don't comment on abortion, but Independent Women's 05:15.533 --> 05:18.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Voice has done polling when it comes to contraception, 05:18.533 --> 05:22.300 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% and there is a strong majority in the United States 05:22.300 --> 05:25.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that wants access to safe and affordable 05:25.766 --> 05:28.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and a wide variety of contraceptive options. 05:28.466 --> 05:30.766 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% It's, I believe, like nine out of ten 05:30.766 --> 05:33.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% overall, eight out of ten independents and even pro-life 05:33.800 --> 05:37.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% supporters, eight out of ten support access to contraception. 05:37.733 --> 05:41.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So where I'm concerned with all of these, responses 05:41.933 --> 05:43.866 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% to the Supreme Court rulings 05:43.866 --> 05:45.600 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% with vilifying the Supreme Court, 05:45.600 --> 05:48.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% I don't think that in itself is good for our country 05:48.200 --> 05:51.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% with pretending that, that Republicans 05:51.700 --> 05:53.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and conservatives are against contraception. 05:53.933 --> 05:56.966 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% it's that it's just fundamentally not true, 05:56.966 --> 05:58.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% and it doesn't reflect what the American people want. 05:58.966 --> 06:02.033 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% You're saying pretending that Republicans are, 06:02.033 --> 06:05.900 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% are not for, contraception, 06:07.200 --> 06:10.400 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% how do you deal with all these cases against the 06:10.400 --> 06:14.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which were Republican generated, telling 06:14.733 --> 06:16.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% The FDA doesn't have the right to make 06:16.800 --> 06:17.966 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% Mifepristone 06:17.966 --> 06:20.266 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% legal, even though they have decades 06:20.266 --> 06:23.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% of studies showing that it's not harmful to women. 06:23.600 --> 06:25.366 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% It's safer than having a baby. 06:25.366 --> 06:28.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There might be individual cases and individual people 06:28.166 --> 06:30.266 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% within their conservative movement 06:30.266 --> 06:33.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and and well aware of that in her decades of work. 06:33.133 --> 06:35.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So I just wanted to make the point that the majority 06:35.800 --> 06:40.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of conservative leaning people, conservative leaning women, 06:40.000 --> 06:42.033 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% do you want access to contraception. 06:42.033 --> 06:43.200 align:left position:45% line:83% size:45% Yeah, you'll get a kick out of this. 06:43.200 --> 06:43.600 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Bonnie. 06:44.033 --> 06:45.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% When Ken Cuccinelli ran for governor 06:45.766 --> 06:48.566 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and he got attacked for being against contraception, 06:48.566 --> 06:50.600 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% he said, me, I'm not against contraception. 06:50.600 --> 06:51.766 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% I said, Ken, 06:51.766 --> 06:54.533 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% you're sure the personhood amendment that outlaws most 06:54.533 --> 06:57.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% major forms of contraception looks like it does. 06:58.066 --> 06:58.400 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% I said, 06:59.966 --> 07:01.533 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% well, I think. 07:01.533 --> 07:02.833 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% That but there's no excuse 07:02.833 --> 07:06.500 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% for a politician being unaware of a policy that he. 07:06.500 --> 07:07.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Said they're male, 07:07.600 --> 07:10.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% that they're unaware, they don't think it through. 07:10.633 --> 07:12.833 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% I don't I wouldn't paint all males with, 07:12.833 --> 07:15.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you know, a broad brush A lot of them. 07:15.200 --> 07:18.100 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% across the tops of their foreheads. 07:18.100 --> 07:19.633 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% But a lot of them, because it doesn't affect 07:19.633 --> 07:22.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% their lives like it does us. They don't think it through. 07:22.566 --> 07:22.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Tell me 07:23.766 --> 07:26.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% your thoughts on the numbers that Ginny just brought up. 07:26.766 --> 07:30.000 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% How is it that the polls are showing that 07:30.000 --> 07:34.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% majority of conservative Republicans are for 07:34.800 --> 07:36.533 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% you know, access to contraception, 07:36.533 --> 07:40.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and yet you have a court and Christian conservatives 07:40.633 --> 07:44.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% fighting hard to outlaw access to it all over the place, 07:44.500 --> 07:44.866 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% because. 07:45.466 --> 07:47.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% You have pockets of extremists on the issue 07:47.300 --> 07:51.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% that, have the money to be able to file the cases. 07:51.266 --> 07:53.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% But the extremists, you're calling them. 07:53.400 --> 07:57.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Okay, but they are the base of the Republican Party. 07:57.666 --> 08:00.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And I don't understand why is it that 08:00.733 --> 08:04.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% this small group of people who you are saying 08:04.666 --> 08:09.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% are out of polls, show are way out of line with, 08:09.566 --> 08:13.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% where the Republican Party is heading policy wise? 08:13.566 --> 08:16.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Can take the party in that direction. 08:16.300 --> 08:17.366 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Because you have extremists 08:17.366 --> 08:20.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that have some very large donors who spout money 08:20.800 --> 08:22.366 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% that will fund this stuff. 08:22.366 --> 08:23.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It's way out of touch with where 08:23.933 --> 08:27.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the majority of the people are, and they don't bother to ask. 08:27.566 --> 08:29.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They make a lot of assumptions. 08:29.200 --> 08:31.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And Ginny's exactly right with the numbers she's giving. 08:31.566 --> 08:35.766 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% But let me let me both agree with Ann, but also disagree. 08:36.033 --> 08:39.933 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I think one of the things it's important to realize 08:40.366 --> 08:43.800 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% is that in this debate, we have seen Republicans 08:43.800 --> 08:47.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% all across state legislatures and in state courts 08:47.866 --> 08:52.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% defend and come out against everything from IVF 08:52.266 --> 08:57.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% to contraception to, you know, even being against, 08:57.966 --> 09:01.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the life of the mother as being 09:01.066 --> 09:04.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% a legitimate reason for an abortion. 09:04.300 --> 09:08.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And that's where this Idaho, you know, Supreme Court case 09:08.500 --> 09:12.133 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% is really only a temporary small reprieve, 09:12.933 --> 09:16.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% until other legislation ends up coming 09:16.233 --> 09:19.833 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% before the court to argue whether or not a woman who is 09:19.833 --> 09:24.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% dying can have an abortion in an emergency situation, 09:24.500 --> 09:25.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% the Republicans 09:25.633 --> 09:29.366 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% have, by and large, including in the state of Texas. 09:29.366 --> 09:30.966 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% We've seen it in Florida. 09:30.966 --> 09:35.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We've seen the gubernatorial Republican nominee in North 09:35.700 --> 09:40.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Carolina say it does not matter how you got pregnant. 09:40.566 --> 09:45.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Keep your skirt down, and we don't care what happens. 09:45.333 --> 09:49.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% So why this is becoming such a contentious issue and why 09:49.133 --> 09:54.000 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% it is far beyond abortion is because Republicans 09:54.533 --> 09:58.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% all across state legislatures and in many 09:58.300 --> 10:02.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% of the sort of House races and in Congress 10:02.466 --> 10:06.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% have decided to be against really, a woman's right 10:06.633 --> 10:10.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to reproductive choice and freedom for her own body. 10:10.500 --> 10:13.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And I would just temper what Lara said simply by saying 10:13.600 --> 10:17.066 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% extreme Republicans is not all that broad brush. 10:17.066 --> 10:18.800 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Because, again, Ginny's numbers are right. 10:18.800 --> 10:19.400 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% Broad brush. 10:19.400 --> 10:20.833 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% Republicans are on the 10:20.833 --> 10:23.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on the side of Democrats on contraception. 10:23.033 --> 10:24.300 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% There are extreme elements. 10:24.300 --> 10:26.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Unfortunately, they've gotten elected to state legislatures. 10:26.800 --> 10:28.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% A lot of them are getting thrown out as a result 10:28.800 --> 10:30.100 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% of these extreme positions. 10:30.100 --> 10:31.200 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% So that's what 10:31.200 --> 10:33.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% the next, next round, we have to get rid of them. 10:33.033 --> 10:34.033 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% Oh, Lara, I appreciate that you're 10:34.033 --> 10:36.633 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% referring to women's reproductive freedom 10:36.633 --> 10:38.933 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% because a real concern that I have coming out of this 10:38.933 --> 10:41.100 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% decision was that Justice Ketanji 10:41.100 --> 10:43.800 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Brown Jackson referred to pregnant people, 10:43.800 --> 10:45.100 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% and that worries me. 10:45.100 --> 10:47.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% If we can't say women, if we can't say 10:47.266 --> 10:49.200 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% one in and women's rights, 10:49.200 --> 10:52.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we can't define what a woman is or even say it, then are women 10:52.966 --> 10:54.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% going to lose rights in this country? 10:54.800 --> 10:55.533 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% Your thoughts? 10:55.833 --> 10:58.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Eleanor, in response to Ginny's point, I mean, 10:58.866 --> 11:03.000 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% I have to say it bothers me. 11:03.633 --> 11:05.500 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% This business of calling, 11:05.500 --> 11:08.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% you know, that was clearly started by the left, 11:08.233 --> 11:10.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% this business of talking about pregnant persons. 11:10.933 --> 11:14.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% Yes. There may be some trans people 11:14.500 --> 11:16.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% who have been able to get pregnant 11:16.433 --> 11:18.300 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% because they had a uterus, 11:18.300 --> 11:21.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and then they transitioned to men or something, 11:21.100 --> 11:22.566 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% but they're still in the vast 11:22.566 --> 11:25.366 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% that there aren't thousands of them worldwide. 11:25.366 --> 11:28.066 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% There aren't even hundreds of them. 11:28.066 --> 11:29.266 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% And the fact is that 11:29.266 --> 11:33.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% pregnancy is still the province of females in this world. 11:33.733 --> 11:36.566 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% Is that do you think that is hurting 11:36.566 --> 11:38.633 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% the Democratic Party at all? 11:38.633 --> 11:42.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% The, the the party wants to call a spade a spade. 11:44.166 --> 11:47.000 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% And so referring 11:47.000 --> 11:50.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to, to pregnant persons does not have an amply 11:50.933 --> 11:55.233 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% does not amply describe pregnancy. 11:55.233 --> 11:58.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% What they are trying to do is recognize 11:58.900 --> 12:03.200 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% biological women who identify as men 12:03.466 --> 12:06.466 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% and who have decided that they are trans 12:06.933 --> 12:11.733 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% males, even though, they actually have 12:11.733 --> 12:15.666 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% all of the reproductive capabilities of a woman. 12:15.900 --> 12:19.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I, I happen to agree with you, I actually think 12:19.833 --> 12:23.133 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% if you still have all of the reproductive abilities 12:23.133 --> 12:26.733 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% to, become pregnant and birth 12:26.733 --> 12:29.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a child, then we should think of you as a woman. 12:29.933 --> 12:31.766 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% And, Jenny, thank you for bringing this up, 12:31.766 --> 12:34.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because I really think this is something that has hurt women 12:34.933 --> 12:37.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% overall and is definitely hurt. The Democratic Party. 12:37.100 --> 12:39.366 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And it is one of the reason minorities, 12:39.366 --> 12:41.866 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% especially Hispanics, are moving to Republicans. 12:41.866 --> 12:44.666 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Really that you see that as a trend? 12:44.666 --> 12:46.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Yeah, it's in the polling. Yeah. Okay. 12:46.800 --> 12:48.700 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% All right. Very interesting. they do not like it, okay. 12:48.700 --> 12:52.866 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% So let's get back to and let's sum up if we can, where we think 12:52.866 --> 12:56.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% all this is going to play out politically in the fall. 12:57.766 --> 13:00.700 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% do you think that the party's position on abortion, 13:00.700 --> 13:03.766 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% the Supreme Court rulings on abortion, Ann Stone 13:04.033 --> 13:07.566 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% are going to deliver the presidency to Joe Biden? 13:07.966 --> 13:10.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% No, because I think there's going to be ticket splitting. 13:10.800 --> 13:13.066 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I don't think it's going to affect the national vote. 13:13.066 --> 13:16.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65% I think it may affect Senate close Senate races, 13:16.300 --> 13:18.433 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% and it may affect some House races, 13:18.433 --> 13:20.433 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% especially Senate, though, because they're the ones 13:20.433 --> 13:22.300 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% that they see tied to the judges. 13:22.300 --> 13:24.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's where I see it's more likely, 13:24.700 --> 13:27.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but there's going to be definite ticket splitting 13:27.133 --> 13:30.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and Trump the way his positions of an issue has helped himself. 13:31.233 --> 13:32.233 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% inoculate. 13:32.233 --> 13:36.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% I'll leave the political, predictions to to. 13:36.033 --> 13:39.033 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And I'm a policy person through and through. 13:39.266 --> 13:40.466 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55% Okay. Lara. 13:40.466 --> 13:43.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, I actually think that it is going to roll up 13:43.600 --> 13:45.066 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% and it is going to matter. 13:45.066 --> 13:48.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if we look back to 2016, the reality is, 13:48.733 --> 13:53.133 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in the most contested Senate races, the Republican senators 13:53.400 --> 13:58.200 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% won those in states like Wisconsin and, Florida. 13:58.500 --> 14:02.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And what that actually did was they earned more votes 14:02.766 --> 14:06.533 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% than Donald Trump did in 2016, and they are the ones 14:06.533 --> 14:08.166 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% who actually helped pull him 14:08.166 --> 14:11.900 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% over the Electoral College finish line. 14:12.100 --> 14:15.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I do think that we will see a similar thing, 14:15.466 --> 14:18.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% but with the opposite party 14:18.466 --> 14:22.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% being the beneficiary in this election, candidates 14:22.600 --> 14:26.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% like Kari Lake will essentially be losing. 14:26.233 --> 14:30.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And because she will lose, her, Democratic opponent, 14:30.633 --> 14:33.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Ruben Gallego, will likely help bring, 14:33.833 --> 14:38.066 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% President Biden over the reelection finish line. 14:38.066 --> 14:39.866 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Eleanor, your thoughts and particularly 14:39.866 --> 14:40.700 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% on the black vote, 14:41.000 --> 14:43.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I know we had this conversation four years ago with you 14:43.800 --> 14:44.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% where there were 14:44.900 --> 14:47.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% all these Republican claims that, you know, Trump 14:47.933 --> 14:52.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was going to get a much larger, percent of support 14:52.000 --> 14:55.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% from black voters than, in fact, he ended up getting. 14:55.733 --> 14:58.833 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Is that and and with Hispanic voters, 14:58.833 --> 15:03.200 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% is 2024 going to be a repeat of 2020 15:03.200 --> 15:06.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and that Biden will win and he will carry people, 15:06.333 --> 15:07.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% voters of color, 15:07.800 --> 15:11.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% abortion issue or not, or will that not happen? 15:11.333 --> 15:13.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Well, Democrats usually, 15:16.033 --> 15:17.900 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% I mean, 15:17.900 --> 15:20.900 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% constituents in, in, in this country 15:20.900 --> 15:26.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% usually vote, Democratic and in matters like this. 15:26.333 --> 15:30.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And I expect that while Biden has been losing, 15:31.666 --> 15:34.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% some Democrats. 15:34.100 --> 15:36.066 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% And that's very worrisome. 15:36.066 --> 15:40.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I'm expecting that before November. 15:40.233 --> 15:43.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He will pick them back up again when they see what's at stake. 15:44.100 --> 15:45.666 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Losing them for what reason? 15:45.666 --> 15:48.666 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% Both candidates are unpopular. 15:48.933 --> 15:51.966 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% So, and the Democratic 15:51.966 --> 15:55.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% candidate, the Republican candidate is a popular. 15:56.066 --> 15:58.733 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65% And that means that, 15:58.733 --> 16:02.366 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% that, Joe Biden is going to have to work 16:02.366 --> 16:05.366 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5% very hard to get back to where he was 16:06.033 --> 16:10.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% when, black Democrats supported him wholeheartedly 16:10.300 --> 16:12.400 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% because he has lost 16:12.400 --> 16:13.900 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% a great number of them. The 16:13.900 --> 16:15.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I don't know what in the world they're going to do. 16:15.600 --> 16:18.300 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I can't expect them to vote Republican, 16:18.300 --> 16:21.800 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% but staying at home is enough to hurt Joe Biden. 16:22.000 --> 16:22.533 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% All right. 16:22.533 --> 16:23.566 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Thank you so much. 16:23.566 --> 16:26.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% From the upcoming election to the debate over 16:26.633 --> 16:27.866 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% charter schools, 16:27.866 --> 16:31.866 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% no taxpayers, public funds for religious charter schools, 16:31.866 --> 16:34.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% back to the ruling from the Oklahoma Supreme Court 16:34.300 --> 16:37.333 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% this week as it stopped what would have been 16:37.333 --> 16:40.300 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% the first publicly funded religious charter school 16:40.600 --> 16:44.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in the U.S., the court rejected a proposed, state financed 16:44.733 --> 16:48.433 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Catholic charter school approved by a state education 16:48.433 --> 16:51.733 align:left position:50% line:83% size:40% board, saying it violated the state and U.S. 16:51.733 --> 16:53.033 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% constitutions. 16:53.033 --> 16:55.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% The case is bound for the Supreme Court, 16:55.166 --> 16:55.600 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% which has 16:56.433 --> 16:59.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% expanded the use of tax dollars to support religious education. 16:59.966 --> 17:04.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% All right, Lara Brown, do you see, some similarities 17:04.600 --> 17:07.066 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% between this, issue 17:07.066 --> 17:10.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and what and Stone has discussed in terms of abortion rights? 17:10.966 --> 17:14.600 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% In other words, a few zealots within the Republican Party 17:14.600 --> 17:17.600 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% who want public money, you know, who have been trying 17:17.600 --> 17:19.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for decades and decades and decades 17:19.866 --> 17:23.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% to break down the wall between church and state. 17:23.400 --> 17:27.333 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Do you see them eventually winning before the Supreme Court 17:27.333 --> 17:30.200 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% and then creating a counter movement, 17:30.200 --> 17:33.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% as they have with abortion rights? 17:33.233 --> 17:38.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, I don't think that this is quite as, catalyzing or as, 17:39.866 --> 17:40.466 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% sort of, 17:40.800 --> 17:43.666 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% something to build as strong of a movement 17:43.666 --> 17:45.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% we've seen over the last 20 years, more 17:45.500 --> 17:47.633 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and more Americans becoming secular. 17:47.633 --> 17:52.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I think it's harder to actually even engage 17:52.800 --> 17:56.900 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% more than the traditionally religiously observant, 17:56.900 --> 17:58.733 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% in this issue. 17:58.733 --> 18:02.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% And those individuals who are pushing the court, 18:02.200 --> 18:05.333 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% have largely failed before the court. 18:05.333 --> 18:08.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% So I think it is important that the First Amendment is 18:08.400 --> 18:12.500 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% very clear that the government has no role in establishing 18:12.766 --> 18:17.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a religious, religiously affiliated institution. 18:17.466 --> 18:20.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% And, that was really what was at issue here. 18:20.466 --> 18:24.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% It wasn't just about, say, voucher money 18:24.500 --> 18:27.966 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% or something that I have long wondered about, 18:27.966 --> 18:32.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which is federal student loan dollars going to support, 18:32.100 --> 18:34.266 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% religious colleges. 18:34.266 --> 18:38.333 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% We have sort of a tradition in some way of 18:38.533 --> 18:41.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% faith based initiatives support 18:42.133 --> 18:47.000 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and that, you know, has been around for decades. 18:47.400 --> 18:51.233 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% But I think the active kind of encouragement 18:51.233 --> 18:56.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and establishment of religion, so deeply 18:56.300 --> 19:00.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% into the public school system is being rejected by the court. 19:01.133 --> 19:04.566 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And I, I imagine it will continue to be rejected 19:04.566 --> 19:08.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% because, as many people know, this is not simply 19:08.566 --> 19:10.133 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% about Christianity. 19:10.133 --> 19:16.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% It is about all of, you know, the potential religions or, 19:16.333 --> 19:21.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% purported cults that may decide that they are a religion. 19:21.800 --> 19:25.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% well, and also, quite frankly, an influx of I'm just curious. 19:25.700 --> 19:27.600 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% I have no idea how they would react 19:27.600 --> 19:29.200 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% if they would react at all. 19:29.200 --> 19:32.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But there's been a large amount of Islamic immigration 19:32.933 --> 19:37.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% in the last, 10 or 15 years to the United States. 19:37.400 --> 19:38.766 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% How would Americans react 19:38.766 --> 19:42.700 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% if there were a, taxpayer dollars financed, 19:43.066 --> 19:46.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% Islamic Academy set up or a series of them? 19:46.966 --> 19:47.666 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% That's a point that's 19:48.066 --> 19:50.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% often brought up in their school choice or education 19:50.833 --> 19:51.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% freedom debates. 19:51.900 --> 19:54.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% And as an education freedom advocate for the last 19:54.733 --> 19:57.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% quarter of a century, I'd say it's it's not the like, 19:57.766 --> 20:00.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% gotcha kind of argument that people think that it is. 20:00.333 --> 20:03.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% There are plenty of Islamic private schools, 20:03.200 --> 20:06.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% education, freedom to report the the flow of scholarship 20:06.966 --> 20:09.400 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% programs, education, savings accounts, 20:09.400 --> 20:11.666 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% other mechanisms that give parents 20:11.666 --> 20:13.200 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% the right to choose a school 20:13.200 --> 20:15.433 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% that's the best fit for their child. 20:15.433 --> 20:19.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We are talking about a different mechanism with this state 20:20.333 --> 20:21.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% charter school. 20:21.200 --> 20:22.333 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5% It's a virtual school, 20:22.333 --> 20:25.600 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% actually, that has a Catholic affiliation. 20:25.600 --> 20:28.233 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% And I want to share good news for Oklahoma families 20:28.233 --> 20:31.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% who wanted to send their kids to this charter school. 20:31.100 --> 20:34.833 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% In the process of this school getting set up, Oklahoma passed, 20:34.833 --> 20:37.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Universal School Choice Program, a tax credit 20:37.600 --> 20:40.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% where families can get I think it's like $7,500 20:40.966 --> 20:44.566 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% tax credit for educational expenses. 20:44.800 --> 20:46.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So there are other ways 20:46.733 --> 20:49.300 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% for families to access educational options 20:49.300 --> 20:50.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if they're residentially assigned. 20:50.466 --> 20:52.300 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Public school isn't a good fit for them. 20:52.300 --> 20:53.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I think direct subsidies 20:53.900 --> 20:57.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of any religious school, whether it's, Islamic, it's, 20:57.766 --> 21:01.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Catholic, Lutheran, Wiccan, any of those things. 21:02.000 --> 21:04.266 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Wrong, bad, slippery slope. 21:04.266 --> 21:05.500 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% And if I were the Catholic Church, 21:05.500 --> 21:08.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I wouldn't want the government involved because, 21:08.300 --> 21:09.500 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% you know, you open that door, 21:09.500 --> 21:11.100 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% there's other regulations that'll come along. 21:11.100 --> 21:13.566 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% It's just a really, really, really bad idea. 21:13.566 --> 21:16.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% But a couple of things I want to follow up with you on that. 21:16.766 --> 21:19.033 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% First and foremost, I presume it's state money 21:19.033 --> 21:23.166 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% you were referring to about the $7,500 tax credit. 21:23.166 --> 21:24.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's a large chunk of change, 21:24.966 --> 21:28.033 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% and it's something the state has the power to do. 21:28.033 --> 21:31.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% But what if they tried to get one on the federal level? 21:31.066 --> 21:35.333 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% There are efforts underway to have a federal tax credit. 21:35.333 --> 21:39.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but let's look at the successes at the state level and, 21:39.233 --> 21:43.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% and know that there are 12 states now with universal school 21:43.266 --> 21:45.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% choice programs, sometimes tax credit, sometimes 21:45.400 --> 21:48.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% education savings account program, close to 30 states 21:49.100 --> 21:51.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% that have some kind of private scholarship program. 21:51.900 --> 21:52.600 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% The Supreme Court 21:52.966 --> 21:55.800 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% has ruled three times to protect these programs. 21:56.000 --> 21:59.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So this is settled if the if the state has established 21:59.966 --> 22:02.566 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% an education, freedom or a school choice program, 22:02.566 --> 22:06.233 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% they award scholarships to to families, 22:06.466 --> 22:08.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% not they don't directly fund the schools. 22:08.733 --> 22:10.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They direct it to the families. 22:10.633 --> 22:12.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% The state can't discriminate. 22:12.266 --> 22:14.566 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% The state doesn't have to establish a program. 22:14.566 --> 22:16.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% But if it does, the Supreme Court 22:16.066 --> 22:17.300 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% has said repeatedly 22:17.300 --> 22:20.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the state can't discriminate against religious institutions 22:20.166 --> 22:21.600 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% because they are religious. 22:22.200 --> 22:24.200 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% Ginny, do you know what Bill Clinton's position was? 22:24.200 --> 22:24.966 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% You know, Bill Clinton 22:24.966 --> 22:27.166 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% was one of the biggest proponents 22:27.166 --> 22:30.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% of school choice, one of the earliest on the national level. 22:30.133 --> 22:32.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And, do you know what his position was on scholarships? 22:32.500 --> 22:33.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% I think he was okay with them. 22:33.800 --> 22:37.033 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% He was, more outspoken on on charter schools. 22:37.033 --> 22:38.600 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5% Scholarships were at the beginning 22:38.600 --> 22:41.800 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% of their, of their growth and his era. 22:41.800 --> 22:44.800 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5% But school choice used to be very bipartisan. 22:45.133 --> 22:49.166 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% Cory Booker in the Senate, was an example of of a 22:49.166 --> 22:53.566 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% supporter, Joe Lieberman, huge supporter of school choice. 22:53.566 --> 22:56.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So there were there were there was plenty of bipartisan 22:56.666 --> 22:59.933 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% support, among national, politicians. 22:59.933 --> 23:02.066 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% And there still is, at the state level, 23:02.066 --> 23:03.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% which is encouraging to see one. 23:03.466 --> 23:07.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Of the most fundamental propositions in our Constitution 23:07.700 --> 23:11.900 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5% is, the, separation of church and state. 23:12.900 --> 23:14.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% That's why I was shocked to 23:14.933 --> 23:18.133 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% see any funding of anything 23:18.433 --> 23:21.133 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% the state, church related. 23:21.133 --> 23:24.133 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% And that's why the Oklahoma Supreme Court, 23:24.333 --> 23:27.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% didn't have any problem, with this, this issue, 23:28.533 --> 23:31.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% fundamental in our Constitution 23:32.233 --> 23:34.233 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% is the separation of church and state. 23:34.233 --> 23:37.400 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% And that goes for schools as for anything else. 23:37.600 --> 23:39.766 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% But we know, you know, the height of that, 23:39.766 --> 23:43.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% the height of the separation was probably in the 60s and 70s. 23:43.500 --> 23:46.633 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% And there's been a religious backlash against that. 23:46.633 --> 23:48.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And they've been trying to take down the wall, 23:48.333 --> 23:50.766 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5% brick by brick by brick ever since. 23:50.766 --> 23:52.000 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Once they pulled 23:52.000 --> 23:55.000 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% the last brick out of the wall and it collapses. 23:55.300 --> 23:59.100 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Do you see this, as an issue today 23:59.333 --> 24:04.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% that would energize voters to, change that policy? 24:04.766 --> 24:08.100 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55% Is something that will energize, 24:08.100 --> 24:12.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% constituents of this, of Oklahoma. 24:12.433 --> 24:15.866 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And I think that it will energize 24:15.866 --> 24:18.866 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% Americans throughout the United States when they see 24:18.866 --> 24:22.733 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% something is blatant as this happening so late 24:23.333 --> 24:25.200 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% in, in our country, when I thought 24:25.200 --> 24:26.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% this was a settled issue where. 24:26.500 --> 24:28.000 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5% Private schools do receive 24:28.000 --> 24:31.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% direct federal funding for, say, the federal, school 24:31.333 --> 24:35.666 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5% lunch program, some receive funding for other initiatives. 24:35.666 --> 24:38.133 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% But by and large, they don't want to 24:38.133 --> 24:43.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% because they they want the the freedom from the, from the, 24:43.300 --> 24:48.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% the bureaucracy and the and the the paperwork and the just the. 24:48.333 --> 24:50.900 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% Reporting requirements that come from. 24:50.900 --> 24:51.133 align:left position:42.5% line:89% size:47.5% Yeah. 24:51.933 --> 24:53.600 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% So they don't necessarily want to sign up for 24:53.600 --> 24:56.133 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% for more onerous requirements from the federal government. 24:56.133 --> 24:58.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5% I don't think we need to worry about that that too much. 24:58.400 --> 25:00.200 align:left position:42.5% line:83% size:47.5% Well, there is another mechanism. 25:00.200 --> 25:01.533 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5% Let's not forget. 25:01.533 --> 25:02.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Parents can just 25:02.566 --> 25:06.266 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% start paying tuition the way they do for, for, 25:06.266 --> 25:09.666 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5% you know, Muslim schools already in existence for, 25:10.133 --> 25:12.100 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75% of which there are many more and more 25:12.100 --> 25:14.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and more in this country for Jewish schools, 25:14.266 --> 25:17.266 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65% I don't know about for Wiccan schools, but, for, 25:17.466 --> 25:21.466 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% for Catholic schools, so that that is an option, too. 25:21.466 --> 25:22.333 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% It's just not. 25:22.333 --> 25:23.433 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% Not everyone can afford it. 25:23.433 --> 25:24.966 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50% Bonnie, you asked whether or not this 25:24.966 --> 25:26.500 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5% would be an energizing issue. 25:26.500 --> 25:28.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Do you know what created the Moral Majority? 25:28.633 --> 25:29.633 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55% It was when, 25:29.633 --> 25:30.733 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% the federal government 25:30.733 --> 25:32.400 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% wanted to go in and forward 25:32.400 --> 25:34.900 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% the tax status of religious schools, 25:34.900 --> 25:36.500 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% so that would energize them. 25:36.500 --> 25:39.066 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5% This one, this is not the same kind of thing. 25:39.066 --> 25:39.833 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5% All right. 25:40.133 --> 25:42.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5% Thank you all for very enlightening discussion. 25:42.233 --> 25:43.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75% That's it for this edition. 25:43.733 --> 25:46.833 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5% Keep the conversation going on our social media platforms. 25:47.233 --> 25:48.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Reach out to us at. 25:48.600 --> 25:51.266 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% To the contrary, visit our website, please. 25:51.266 --> 25:53.733 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75% The address is on the bottom of the screen 25:53.733 --> 25:57.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5% and whether you agree or think to the contrary, see 25:57.366 --> 25:58.000 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5% you next time.