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MARTY: 
I don't want 
to get into trouble.

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Don't want you to, either.

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So should I lie, then?

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(door opens)

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SAM: Hiya!

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SAM: 
All I have done is walk

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into my house, and I found 
an illegal immigrant.

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FRAN: A few months 
before he disappeared,

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he'd seen him 
with another woman.

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SUNNY: A row that got out 
of hand about infidelity--

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it's just about the oldest 
motive for murder there is.

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DOT: 
Don't say anything about Daddy.

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(thunder claps)

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(whimpers)

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(click)

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♪ All we do is hide away ♪

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♪ All we do is, 
all we do is hide away ♪

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♪ All we do is lie in wait ♪

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♪ All we do is, 
all we do is lie in wait ♪

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♪ I've been upside down ♪

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♪ I don't want to be 
the right way round ♪

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♪ Can't find paradise 
on the ground ♪

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FRAN: 
I just find it rather hard 
to square

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Juliet Cooper's description 
of their relationship

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with what Prentice 
told me. 
Hm, ditto the bar manager.

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Ditto her.

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Well, husbands and wives 
are allowed

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to have different 
political opinions, you know?

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No way.

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But that diametrically opposed?

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Although we're assuming

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that Juliet's 
who she says she is.

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Yeah, I'm just asking if

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maybe this was a toxic marriage,

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perhaps violent, 
perhaps coercive,

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that finally imploded.

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Where are we on his girlfriend? 
KAREN: 
Mm.

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So our Melinda is Melinda Ricci.

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Peachy Ricci?

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FRAN: 
Yeah. 
(whispers): Peachy?

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She had a column 
in the "Mail"

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a few years back-- 
it's like a...

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Well, she's just, like, 
writing clickbait.

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Working for 
a cable channel now.

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And you think 
that they met through

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this forum that Cooper 
set up?

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U.K. United, yes-- 
Cooper is in the background

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of the viral video 
about the retweet.

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Do we have an address 
for her?

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Well, I spoke to HR at BNC, 
her current employers.

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They're based in Docklands, but 
she dials in her contribution

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from her home

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about ten miles 
west of Cork, apparently.

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Hm.

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Uh, okay, 
contact regional Garda,

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see if they can get a local plod 
down to set up a Zoom with her.

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And check if they have anything 
on her in their systems, too.

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FRAN: Yeah. 
And as much background 
as you can find

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before we speak to her, 
please. 
Yeah, sure.

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(softly): 
That's mad, yeah. 
(softly): I know.

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JESSICA: 
So, you mentioned 
your dad earlier, Marty.

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MARTY: 
Yes, I mentioned 
my dad earlier.

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I'm guessing he's always 
been a great support to you.

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Mm, he has, yes. 
So, I'm wondering,

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did maybe your dad go and speak 
to Mr. Cooper about the money?

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You okay, Marty?

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I, I'm fine, 
thank you for asking.

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Did he go and speak 
to Gerry for you?

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No, he never went to see Gerry.

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SUNNY: You seem a bit upset 
at these questions.

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ALISON: 
Marty?

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Well, he couldn't go 
and see Gerry, could he?

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Why not?

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I think we should 
probably take a little break.

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MARTY: 
Because he was dead.

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Because Gerry made him be dead.

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(sirens blaring in distance)

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Why am I even at 
that school, anyway?

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You're supposed 
to be a socialist.

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Taylor, not this, not now.

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We'll miss your train.

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I loathe that school, I loathe 
everything it stands for,

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and you should, too.

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Or is that all a lie, 
as well?

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(softly): 
Gerry told me the vaccine 
was a plot to control us,

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that it contained 
micro-transmitters,

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and that we should not 
take it. 
When did he say this?

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Whenever I went to see him 
to get my money.

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And did he tell you not 
to take it?

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Yes, he told me not to take it.

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Did he suggest

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that your parents

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shouldn't take it, too?

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(softly): 
No, he didn't do that.

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I did that.

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But maybe you told your mum and 
dad not to take it because of

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what he said to you? 
(whispers): Yes.

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Did they listen to you?

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Um, Mum and Dad 
were offered the vaccine

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at the end of January, and they,

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they refused it.

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On the second of February,

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Dad got COVID and was admitted

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to Dover Royal Hospital 
a week, a week later

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with severe 
respiratory difficulties.

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On the 19th of February,

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Dad died.

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All on his Jack Jones.

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Thomas Henry Baines 
was 76.

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I'm so sorry for your loss.

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We both are, Marty.

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He had a good innings. 
as they say.

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So, on top of the money...

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...you now had the awful tragedy

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of your dad dying.

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Yes, this is correct.

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How did you feel about Gerry 
at this point?

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No good crying over spilt milk.

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Were you not angry with him?

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Because I'm wondering...

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I'm wondering 
if maybe you arranged

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to meet him somewhere 
on the 24th.

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No.

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SUNNY: 
Not to tell him about your dad?

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Not because you were angry?

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No. 
JESSICA: 
Maybe...

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Maybe you rowed?

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You know, 
maybe he pushed you again,

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and it all got out 
of control?

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No-- no, no,

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no, no, no...

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I think he's answered 
your questions,

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so unless you've got any 
evidence you haven't mentioned,

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I think 
we bring this to a close.

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(Marty's breath trembling)

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(phone ringing in background)

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JESSICA: 
Let's R.U.I. him for now

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and do some more background 
on that arrest.

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We better head.

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(birds chirping)

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(Melinda sighs)

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(car door opens)

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(clears throat softly)

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KANE: 
Hey, Mel.

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Hey, Joseph, 
how are you doing? 
Good, thanks-- you?

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Uh, yeah, I'm fine.

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How's your man doing?

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Slow, but steady.

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Father Ryan being 
very supportive, I hear.

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How can I help you, Joseph?

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Had a call from 
a police officer in London,

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wanting to speak to you 
about being a possible witness

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in a murder 
investigation?

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Wow-- murder of whom?

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A man called Gerard Cooper.

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Yeah, I, I knew Gerry, he...

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He, he went missing 
a few years back.

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Just before you came over here, 
they said.

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Right.

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They asked if you 
could make yourself

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available for a Zoom, 
tomorrow at 4:00?

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Yeah, yeah, 
I, I think I could do that.

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So just drop by the station,

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we'll take care of everything 
our end,

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and I'll sit in with you.

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I mean, do, do I need a lawyer?

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Entirely up to you.

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See you tomorrow.

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(phone chimes)

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Oh, Murray's just 
forwarded me an email

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from the lettings agency.

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So, the lettings agent

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thinks police were called to the 
dispute she told him about.

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Okay, so, this guy Asif 
would remember that, too, no?

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Look, these are 
absolutely top-quality.

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From the same factory 
that makes the genuine article.

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And, uh,

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the passport. 
(car brakes squeak)

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How much? 
MARK: Well, the passport,

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driver's license, and 
the National Insurance card,

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I can do you for 7K.

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We do also 
offer finance options,

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if that were something 
you were interested in.

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A lot of people go for a 
five-year replacement schedule,

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which makes it very 
affordable...

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(continues indistinctly)

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Out the back-- now!

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(loudly): 
Now!

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(speaking Dari)

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♪ ♪

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(door closes)

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(sniffs, clears throat)

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Hi.

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Hi-- Asif Syed?

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Yes.

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DCI Jess James, 
and this is D.I. Sunil Khan.

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Um, have you got 
five minutes for a quick chat?

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Uh, yes, maybe.

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Uh, about what, please?

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It's in connection 
with a murder investigation.

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We think you might 
have known the victim.

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Who was the victim?

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Could we come in?

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Yes, yes,

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please, of course.

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MAN (on phone speaker): 
It's the Matrix, buddy.

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They're trying to shut 
your voice down

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'cause you're a strong man.

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So what do you need to do? 
MARTY: 
I need to be

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one step ahead, man.

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MAN: 
Be ahead or be dead, dude.

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Be ahead or be dead.

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(softly): 
Ahead or be dead.

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Ahead or be dead.

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Ahead or be dead.

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Ahead or be dead-- 
ahead or be dead.

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(aloud): 
Ahead or be dead.

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(sniffs)

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♪ ♪

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Ahead or be dead.

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Ahead or be dead.

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♪ ♪

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SUNNY: 
This is him.

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Name of Gerard Cooper.

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(audio distorts)

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Yes, I, I think I remember him.

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And what do you

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think your connection 
to him was?

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I work as an interpreter.

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And back then, 
I worked with tenants

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whose rent was 
being paid by the council.

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Uh, I think 
he was one of the landlords.

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Um, what council

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was that? 
Uh, Thamesford.

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Okay, and can you remember 
specifically

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when you might have 
encountered Mr. Cooper?

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I would have to check.

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Okay, uh, roughly, then.

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I think maybe it was 
early on in the pandemic?

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Maybe the first year?

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I have a vague recollection

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of some COVID-related 
issues.

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Okay, so it was, uh, 2020? 
Yes.

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Do you have any recollection 
of what he was like?

262
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,600
Uh, I mean, I must've 
met dozens of landlords

263
00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,366
in the three or four years 
I was in London.

264
00:12:34,366 --> 00:12:37,500
Because the agency 
that, uh, managed his portfolio

265
00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:39,366
said he was quite tricky.

266
00:12:39,366 --> 00:12:41,333
Did they?

267
00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:42,333
You don't remember that?

268
00:12:42,333 --> 00:12:46,033
I remember, um,

269
00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:48,700
he wasn't very good 
at maintaining his properties.

270
00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:50,133
The agency said that.

271
00:12:50,133 --> 00:12:52,133
Anything else?

272
00:12:52,133 --> 00:12:53,666
Um...

273
00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:56,200
He could be

274
00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,200
quite aggressive.

275
00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,700
With you? 
With the tenants,

276
00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,066
who obviously were often

277
00:13:02,066 --> 00:13:04,200
very vulnerable 
people.

278
00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,800
And physically aggressive? 
No.

279
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,033
I never saw that. 
Because we have an agent

280
00:13:08,033 --> 00:13:09,666
who gave us details 
of several cases

281
00:13:09,666 --> 00:13:13,133
where disputes had blown up, uh,

282
00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:14,633
one in particular,

283
00:13:14,633 --> 00:13:17,766
which was a family 
of asylum seekers from Herat,

284
00:13:17,766 --> 00:13:19,966
where it had turned violent.

285
00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:21,000
Which family?

286
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,300
The Dowari family?

287
00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:25,000
(murmurs): 
Dowari.

288
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,933
As I say, 
I must've dealt with many

289
00:13:27,933 --> 00:13:30,800
dozens of cases.

290
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,333
Most of them were fractious.

291
00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:34,600
SUNNY: 
Except the police 
were called to this one.

292
00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,966
It was a dispute 
about a chronic damp problem?

293
00:13:37,966 --> 00:13:40,933
The family had a toddler, 
a newborn.

294
00:13:40,933 --> 00:13:42,733
It was making them all sick.

295
00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:45,800
The police getting involved 
wasn't that rare, sadly.

296
00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,100
JESSICA: 
Okay.

297
00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,600
Quite a distinctive case, 
but you've no memory

298
00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,333
of that at all?

299
00:13:52,333 --> 00:13:55,466
They all just merge into one, 
sorry.

300
00:13:55,466 --> 00:13:56,900
No worries.

301
00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:58,733
And, uh, when was the last time

302
00:13:58,733 --> 00:14:00,333
you think you might've seen 
Mr. Cooper?

303
00:14:00,333 --> 00:14:02,000
(inhales)

304
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,200
My contract with the council 
ended in September 2020,

305
00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,300
so not after that.

306
00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:10,300
Right. 
SUNNY: 
And, um,

307
00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,833
do you mind me asking

308
00:14:11,833 --> 00:14:14,166
what your nationality is, 
Asif?

309
00:14:14,166 --> 00:14:16,666
I hope to very soon be British.

310
00:14:16,666 --> 00:14:19,633
Oh, well, good for you, 
and welcome.

311
00:14:19,633 --> 00:14:21,133
This can be 
a fabulous country.

312
00:14:21,133 --> 00:14:24,100
(chuckles): 
Yes, it can, and thank you.

313
00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:25,100
And before that, 
where are you from?

314
00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:26,266
Afghanistan.

315
00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:28,000
Oh, okay.

316
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,666
Well, that 
must have been tough,

317
00:14:29,666 --> 00:14:32,200
to see your fellow countrymen 
and countrywomen,

318
00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,033
vulnerable people,

319
00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:36,166
being mistreated often 
by this man.

320
00:14:36,166 --> 00:14:38,133
Of course.

321
00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:39,533
♪ ♪

322
00:14:39,533 --> 00:14:40,833
Did it make you angry or...?

323
00:14:44,566 --> 00:14:46,233
(chuckles)

324
00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,266
If I got angry every time

325
00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:52,300
I saw a refugee being treated 
badly,

326
00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:57,133
I'd be living in a permanent 
state of rage, D.I. Khan.

327
00:14:57,133 --> 00:15:00,566
♪ ♪

328
00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:02,200
Thanks for your time.

329
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,333
♪ ♪

330
00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:08,766
(car alarm chirps, 
doors unlock) 
(car door opens)

331
00:15:08,766 --> 00:15:10,933
SUNNY: 
I think we need more detail 
on this Dowari case.

332
00:15:10,933 --> 00:15:12,733
Mm-hmm.

333
00:15:13,966 --> 00:15:15,700
♪ ♪

334
00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:16,700
(car doors close)

335
00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:17,966
Sam.

336
00:15:17,966 --> 00:15:19,400
Who was that? 
(engine starts)

337
00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,133
Social services-- they wanted 
some gen on a client.

338
00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:26,066
♪ ♪

339
00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,500
Can, can we talk, 
please?

340
00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:30,100
Sure.

341
00:15:34,966 --> 00:15:37,900
Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out

342
00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,066
after he comes home from work 
today,

343
00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:43,933
and if you can minimize 
any future contact with him,

344
00:15:43,933 --> 00:15:46,733
then...

345
00:15:46,733 --> 00:15:49,233
Yeah, I'm happy 
to just move on.

346
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,900
(inhales)

347
00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,066
And if I don't agree to that?

348
00:15:55,066 --> 00:15:58,233
Oh, okay, why-- why

349
00:15:58,233 --> 00:16:00,733
do you immediately have 
to turn this into a conflict?

350
00:16:00,733 --> 00:16:03,366
Says the man who's 
just given me an ultimatum.

351
00:16:03,366 --> 00:16:04,366
No, it's not an ultimatum.

352
00:16:04,366 --> 00:16:05,733
No, you're not going

353
00:16:05,733 --> 00:16:08,700
to hold a gun 
to my head because I did right

354
00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:11,033
by a man who saved your life 
on at least two occasions.

355
00:16:11,033 --> 00:16:14,866
Okay, Asif... 
And you know 
what really winds me up?

356
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800
It's that you think 
you can do this.

357
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,033
Do what?

358
00:16:22,033 --> 00:16:23,200
Just tell me

359
00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,800
how it's going to be.

360
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,866
You don't even consider 
the idea

361
00:16:26,866 --> 00:16:28,733
of finding another way through. 
No, is that

362
00:16:28,733 --> 00:16:31,033
not exactly what we're trying 
to do right now?

363
00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,266
What?

364
00:16:32,266 --> 00:16:34,033
Telling me 
what's going to happen?

365
00:16:34,033 --> 00:16:35,566
(chuckles)

366
00:16:35,566 --> 00:16:36,666
Not really, Sam.

367
00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:43,066
I'll play by the same rules.

368
00:16:44,733 --> 00:16:46,166
No.

369
00:16:47,533 --> 00:16:49,800
Hassan's not going anywhere.

370
00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:54,633
But

371
00:16:54,633 --> 00:16:56,566
this is my house.

372
00:16:58,733 --> 00:17:00,866
Then call the police.

373
00:17:04,466 --> 00:17:08,533
♪ ♪

374
00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,033
JESSICA: 
I mean, I never really

375
00:17:18,033 --> 00:17:20,900
believed him.

376
00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,700
But there was always 
just enough ambiguity

377
00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:25,933
to make me think 
we could get through it.

378
00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:29,533
Except now...

379
00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,566
If he could have done that...

380
00:17:35,433 --> 00:17:37,100
...he could do anything.

381
00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:39,733
Mm.

382
00:17:41,466 --> 00:17:43,100
So?

383
00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:44,133
So...

384
00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,866
What do I do?

385
00:17:54,633 --> 00:17:57,500
KAREN: 
So, digging into 
the Marty Baines caution,

386
00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:59,333
and it gets interesting.

387
00:18:00,433 --> 00:18:03,600
In 2016, 
he studied a foundation course

388
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,600
in computer programming 
at the University of Ramsgate,

389
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,333
but eight months in, 
he's asked to leave

390
00:18:09,333 --> 00:18:12,300
after he starts to regularly 
pick the locks of the rooms

391
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:13,966
of his fellow students 
in his halls

392
00:18:13,966 --> 00:18:16,366
and enter their rooms. 
Right.

393
00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:18,233
Now, he's not trying 
to steal anything.

394
00:18:18,233 --> 00:18:19,700
They're just coming back 
from the pub at night

395
00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:21,366
to find Marty sitting 
on their beds

396
00:18:21,366 --> 00:18:22,700
in their rooms.

397
00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:23,700
Jesus. 
Mm.

398
00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:24,833
SUNNY: 
Male or female?

399
00:18:24,833 --> 00:18:26,566
KAREN: 
Both. 
Not at all scary.

400
00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:29,433
(sighs): 
And, and how many times 
did this happen?

401
00:18:29,433 --> 00:18:31,733
Well, the university 
weren't really sure.

402
00:18:31,733 --> 00:18:33,000
Some students

403
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,733
thought that maybe 
they had forgotten

404
00:18:34,733 --> 00:18:36,900
to lock their rooms, 
and so treated it more like

405
00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:40,666
Marty wandering in uninvited, 
and so didn't report it, but

406
00:18:40,666 --> 00:18:42,933
there are three formal cases.

407
00:18:42,933 --> 00:18:44,666
Was there ever any violence?

408
00:18:44,666 --> 00:18:45,866
Not from him,

409
00:18:45,866 --> 00:18:47,466
and not from any 
of the other students,

410
00:18:47,466 --> 00:18:49,366
until the last incident.

411
00:18:49,366 --> 00:18:51,900
Which was? 
So,

412
00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:54,600
one bloke comes back 
from the pub, pissed up,

413
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,433
to find Marty in his room,

414
00:18:56,433 --> 00:18:58,900
and kind of loses it-- 
calls him all kinds of stuff.

415
00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:01,666
Which ends up with Marty 
trying to strangle him.

416
00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:03,900
Whoa-- what, like, 
properly strangle?

417
00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:05,000
Yeah.

418
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,600
He had to be pulled away 
by the guy's mates.

419
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,900
Takes three of them, 
apparently.

420
00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:09,266
Wow.

421
00:19:09,266 --> 00:19:11,433
How come he only got 
a caution? 
KAREN: So, the student

422
00:19:11,433 --> 00:19:13,133
didn't want 
to pursue anything.

423
00:19:13,133 --> 00:19:15,166
He admitted to the investigating 
officer that he'd used

424
00:19:15,166 --> 00:19:17,333
inappropriate language 
about disability,

425
00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:19,366
and was scared it was gonna 
be brought up in court.

426
00:19:19,366 --> 00:19:20,866
SUNNY: 
Hm, and do we know

427
00:19:20,866 --> 00:19:23,766
why Marty was doing this? 
He said

428
00:19:23,766 --> 00:19:26,933
he was just looking 
for a friend to talk to.

429
00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:28,600
(inhales softly)

430
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,400
MURRAY: 
In terms of any potential link

431
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,766
to violence,

432
00:19:31,766 --> 00:19:33,033
I've just received 
the evidence list

433
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:34,600
for the assault on Cooper

434
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,033
in his pub car park? 
Oh, yeah?

435
00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:37,133
What we got?

436
00:19:37,133 --> 00:19:38,833
Well, we've got 
Cooper's sweatshirt,

437
00:19:38,833 --> 00:19:40,333
and they've taken DNA off it, 
so,

438
00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:41,533
we've got material 
for comparison.

439
00:19:41,533 --> 00:19:42,566
Nice one-- thanks.

440
00:19:42,566 --> 00:19:44,000
So, Melinda Ricci,

441
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,433
tell me stuff.

442
00:19:45,433 --> 00:19:46,933
(clears throat)

443
00:19:46,933 --> 00:19:50,000
Okay, so, born in 1978

444
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,233
in a small market town 
in Surrey,

445
00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:55,466
went to a local Catholic girls' 
school, got decent As,

446
00:19:55,466 --> 00:19:57,533
went to Rochester Uni 
to study marketing,

447
00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:59,933
then enlisted in the Navy.

448
00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:02,766
Served four years 
and left in 2005

449
00:20:02,766 --> 00:20:04,466
following a disciplinary issue 
involving

450
00:20:04,466 --> 00:20:06,266
a fellow officer-- 
a fellow Muslim officer.

451
00:20:06,266 --> 00:20:08,633
(inhales): 
She then started her own

452
00:20:08,633 --> 00:20:09,766
green beauty business,

453
00:20:09,766 --> 00:20:12,033
which gained the attention 
of some red tops

454
00:20:12,033 --> 00:20:13,566
following an advertising 
campaign

455
00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:15,233
she herself featured in.

456
00:20:15,233 --> 00:20:17,933
After the 2008 crash,

457
00:20:17,933 --> 00:20:19,266
the business went bankrupt,

458
00:20:19,266 --> 00:20:21,366
and she lost her home 
and had to rent.

459
00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:23,400
And it was a bad experience 
with an Asian landlord

460
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,033
prompting this online rant,

461
00:20:26,033 --> 00:20:28,066
uh, which gained

462
00:20:28,066 --> 00:20:29,966
half a million views, um,

463
00:20:29,966 --> 00:20:33,300
got her an invitation to write 
an article for the "Mail,"

464
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:35,333
which went down so well, 
it led to a weekly column.

465
00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:37,066
SUNNY: 
What sort of column?

466
00:20:37,066 --> 00:20:39,333
FRAN: 
Opinions-- of which 
you know, she has a lot.

467
00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:40,533
On?

468
00:20:40,533 --> 00:20:42,466
FRAN: 
Uh, recurring themes 
include

469
00:20:42,466 --> 00:20:43,866
immigration, 
benefit cheats,

470
00:20:43,866 --> 00:20:47,366
the E.U., um,

471
00:20:47,366 --> 00:20:49,700
anti-abortion stuff,

472
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:51,500
uh, arming the police,

473
00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,000
all as self-styled

474
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800
Sister Mel.

475
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,600
Ah-- she's not

476
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,433
a real nun, right?

477
00:20:58,433 --> 00:21:01,100
She spent six months 
in a convent in Wicklow in 2009,

478
00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:02,733
actually. 
Oh!

479
00:21:02,733 --> 00:21:03,900
And the column ran 
from when to when?

480
00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:05,333
2015 to 2020,

481
00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:08,000
but she also wrote for 
pretty much every red top

482
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,366
and also started popping up on

483
00:21:10,366 --> 00:21:11,733
breakfast TV guest spots.

484
00:21:11,733 --> 00:21:13,900
And when was 
that Boris Johnson

485
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,266
retweet-post thing?

486
00:21:15,266 --> 00:21:17,500
FRAN: 
Uh, October 2016.

487
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:18,866
SUNNY: 
Do we know 
why she moved to Ireland?

488
00:21:18,866 --> 00:21:20,200
FRAN: 
No, just that she went there

489
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,600
in 2021.

490
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,600
Okay. 
(sighs)

491
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,066
Thanks, Fran-- right.

492
00:21:24,066 --> 00:21:25,600
Shall we? 
Mm.

493
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,700
♪ ♪

494
00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:30,100
(siren blaring in distance)

495
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,300
(mutters): 
Jesus.

496
00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:35,733
(sighs)

497
00:21:42,433 --> 00:21:44,166
What are you doing? 
Eating a sandwich.

498
00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:45,766
What are you doing here?

499
00:21:45,766 --> 00:21:47,700
I didn't want to 
go back.

500
00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:49,800
(sighs): 
You have to go back.

501
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,466
I really don't. 
Yes, you do.

502
00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:53,800
If you still hate it 
at the end of this year,

503
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,400
then we can talk 
about moving you,

504
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,400
but right now, 
I need you to just...

505
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,433
Was it you?

506
00:21:57,433 --> 00:21:58,933
Was what me?

507
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,333
Who killed Dad.

508
00:22:06,966 --> 00:22:08,433
What?

509
00:22:09,866 --> 00:22:11,233
Was it?

510
00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,200
How can you even ask me that?

511
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,500
Well, you haven't said, "No."

512
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:21,800
♪ ♪

513
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,200
(voice trembles): No.

514
00:22:24,733 --> 00:22:26,366
It wasn't me.

515
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,133
You don't seem that sure.

516
00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:33,433
I'm very sure, I'm just in shock

517
00:22:33,433 --> 00:22:35,900
that you could even 
think that.

518
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,433
No-- a thousand times, no.

519
00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:40,833
No.

520
00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:46,233
Have you told the police 
about the row that night?

521
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:49,666
What row?

522
00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:52,866
Do you think I don't remember?

523
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,533
I remember it all.

524
00:22:56,533 --> 00:22:58,700
Very clearly, Mum.

525
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:04,233
It was just one of our rows.

526
00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:08,000
Okay? Nothing more.

527
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,966
I would never have hurt 
your father, Tay, never.

528
00:23:13,833 --> 00:23:16,000
♪ ♪

529
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,500
But I do want you 
to promise me something.

530
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,000
What?

531
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,133
I want you to promise me

532
00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:23,366
that you'll never mention 
that row,

533
00:23:23,366 --> 00:23:25,866
or, in fact, any of the others, 
to the police.

534
00:23:25,866 --> 00:23:27,833
Why?

535
00:23:27,833 --> 00:23:29,333
Because they will almost 
certainly

536
00:23:29,333 --> 00:23:30,966
come to all the wrong 
conclusions,

537
00:23:30,966 --> 00:23:32,533
and it, it's just not worth it.

538
00:23:32,533 --> 00:23:34,900
Will you promise me that?

539
00:23:37,966 --> 00:23:39,766
♪ ♪

540
00:23:39,766 --> 00:23:41,466
There's, um...

541
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,266
There's, uh...

542
00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:47,666
(clears throat): 
...something I

543
00:23:47,666 --> 00:23:49,466
never told you.

544
00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:53,433
(gulls calling)

545
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:55,233
JESSICA (on computer): 
So thanks for taking the time

546
00:23:55,233 --> 00:23:56,333
to speak to us.

547
00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:57,666
No problem at all.

548
00:23:57,666 --> 00:23:59,033
Um, can I dive straight in, 
Melinda,

549
00:23:59,033 --> 00:24:00,766
and ask you how 
you knew Mr. Cooper?

550
00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:03,166
(audio distorts)

551
00:24:03,166 --> 00:24:05,533
Sure, um...

552
00:24:05,533 --> 00:24:09,000
I met him initially at 
a political thing he'd started.

553
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,033
This was U.K. United?

554
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,133
MELINDA: 
Yes.

555
00:24:12,133 --> 00:24:13,300
So when was that, 
exactly?

556
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,333
That would have been late 2015, 
I guess?

557
00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:19,533
And you hit it off 
straight away?

558
00:24:19,533 --> 00:24:22,333
Yeah, kind of, mm.

559
00:24:22,333 --> 00:24:24,500
We shared a similar outlook 
on the world,

560
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:26,266
sense of humor.

561
00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:27,933
Neither of us were afraid 
to call it as we saw it.

562
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,166
And you became friends, 
would you say?

563
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,733
Yes, briefly.

564
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:33,966
Briefly?

565
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,500
Yeah, we

566
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,200
ran into each other 
a few times

567
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,866
over the next few months.

568
00:24:40,866 --> 00:24:43,700
I think I might have had lunch 
with him once.

569
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,000
Right.

570
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,466
So, it didn't develop 
into anything more?

571
00:24:46,466 --> 00:24:47,866
Like what?

572
00:24:47,866 --> 00:24:49,400
Like a romantic 
relationship.

573
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,466
No.

574
00:24:51,566 --> 00:24:52,833
Right.

575
00:24:52,833 --> 00:24:54,233
Uh, because we spoke 
to a witness

576
00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:56,166
who suggested it did.

577
00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:57,433
What witness?

578
00:24:57,433 --> 00:25:00,966
JESSICA: 
An old friend of his 
who ran into you both

579
00:25:00,966 --> 00:25:03,366
in a pub in Aldgate 
in 2020.

580
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,333
Well, it, that was then. 
(chuckles)

581
00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:10,733
Sorry, I'm confused-- 
are you saying that you did

582
00:25:10,733 --> 00:25:12,200
have a relationship with him, 
or you didn't?

583
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,800
Yes, I did.

584
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,633
A very brief one, 
just not when you were saying.

585
00:25:18,633 --> 00:25:21,933
My question didn't actually 
specify a timeframe,

586
00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:23,766
but that's, that's fine.

587
00:25:23,766 --> 00:25:26,900
So, um, spell it out nice 
and clearly for us.

588
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,900
When did you two 
get together?

589
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,466
Um, summer of 2020,

590
00:25:31,466 --> 00:25:32,900
just as things 
were opening up again.

591
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:36,866
And when you say "brief"...

592
00:25:36,866 --> 00:25:39,733
Um, just a few weeks-- 
two months at the most.

593
00:25:39,733 --> 00:25:41,633
And did his wife know 
about this?

594
00:25:42,633 --> 00:25:44,000
I've no idea.

595
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
But you think you weren't 
seeing him

596
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,266
in February 2021. 
No.

597
00:25:48,266 --> 00:25:50,400
But you were still living 
in the U.K. at this point?

598
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,633
Yes.

599
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:53,566
SUNNY: 
So, when exactly did 
you move to Ireland?

600
00:25:53,566 --> 00:25:55,366
Uh, early March 2021.

601
00:25:55,366 --> 00:25:57,433
Okay, so, just a couple of weeks

602
00:25:57,433 --> 00:25:58,666
after he disappeared.

603
00:25:58,666 --> 00:25:59,866
Well, I obviously had 
no idea about that.

604
00:25:59,866 --> 00:26:01,100
You didn't know 
he'd gone missing?

605
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:02,100
No.

606
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,300
So, when did you 
find out?

607
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,700
A mutual friend told me, 
months later.

608
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:06,700
How?

609
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,200
Uh, they messaged me, 
I think.

610
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,266
Mm.

611
00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:10,566
Can you forward that to us?

612
00:26:10,566 --> 00:26:14,433
Actually, no, wait, I, uh...

613
00:26:14,433 --> 00:26:15,533
It...

614
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:16,666
It might have been a call.

615
00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:21,166
Okay, uh, well, I think 
we'll come back to that.

616
00:26:21,166 --> 00:26:24,833
And what prompted 
the move to Ireland?

617
00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:28,633
Um, I used to come on holiday 
here as a kid.

618
00:26:28,633 --> 00:26:30,733
My dad was born here.

619
00:26:30,733 --> 00:26:32,733
I was feeling a bit 
burned out from London,

620
00:26:32,733 --> 00:26:35,500
and then, when I got 
offered the job with BNC,

621
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:37,866
I could do that 
from anywhere, so,

622
00:26:37,866 --> 00:26:39,500
change as good as a rest.

623
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:40,633
And so when do you think

624
00:26:40,633 --> 00:26:41,666
was the last time 
you might have seen him?

625
00:26:42,766 --> 00:26:44,866
Oh, maybe, um,

626
00:26:44,866 --> 00:26:48,233
October, November 2020.

627
00:26:48,233 --> 00:26:49,766
So, this was just as 
your relationship

628
00:26:49,766 --> 00:26:50,766
was coming to an end?

629
00:26:50,766 --> 00:26:52,000
Yes.

630
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,366
JESSICA: 
And how did it end?

631
00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:55,000
Oh, just fizzled out, 
really.

632
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,566
No rows? 
No.

633
00:26:56,566 --> 00:26:57,633
No fights?

634
00:26:57,633 --> 00:26:58,766
No.

635
00:26:58,766 --> 00:27:00,533
Because we do have a fair 
amount of evidence

636
00:27:00,533 --> 00:27:02,900
to suggest he could 
get violent.

637
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:04,166
Not with me.

638
00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:05,966
Okay.

639
00:27:05,966 --> 00:27:08,766
Um, were you aware of anyone

640
00:27:08,766 --> 00:27:11,266
that you'd come into contact 
with, through him,

641
00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:13,300
who you might have wanted 
to do him harm?

642
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:14,800
No.

643
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
But, like I said,

644
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,333
I, I didn't actually know him 
that well.

645
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,266
Our lives weren't 
that intertwined.

646
00:27:21,266 --> 00:27:23,066
Okay.

647
00:27:23,066 --> 00:27:24,933
And if we needed to know 
where you were

648
00:27:24,933 --> 00:27:27,100
on the 24th of February 
2021,

649
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:28,500
would you be able to provide us 
with that information?

650
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:29,966
I could try.

651
00:27:29,966 --> 00:27:31,000
Any proof will do.

652
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Sure.

653
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,233
Obviously, 
you have our email.

654
00:27:33,233 --> 00:27:34,233
I do.

655
00:27:34,233 --> 00:27:36,600
JESSICA (inhales): Okay.

656
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,800
Anything else you'd like 
to add?

657
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,533
Anything else 
you think might be relevant?

658
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,600
(blows out)

659
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,833
No. 
Okay.

660
00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,633
Thanks so much 
for your time.

661
00:27:45,633 --> 00:27:47,766
You're so welcome-- 
you have a nice day.

662
00:27:47,766 --> 00:27:49,100
You, too.

663
00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:55,566
♪ ♪

664
00:27:55,566 --> 00:27:57,633
(sighs)

665
00:27:57,633 --> 00:28:00,766
So, he was violent 
to her, yeah?

666
00:28:00,766 --> 00:28:03,833
100%.

667
00:28:03,833 --> 00:28:07,200
(birds chirping)

668
00:28:12,633 --> 00:28:14,500
♪ ♪

669
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:17,266
(objects shifting)

670
00:28:21,766 --> 00:28:24,966
♪ ♪

671
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:43,100
♪ ♪

672
00:28:50,533 --> 00:28:54,766
♪ ♪

673
00:28:54,766 --> 00:28:57,700
(mouse clicking)

674
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:03,500
(phone ringing in background)

675
00:29:08,633 --> 00:29:13,133
♪ ♪

676
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,766
(blows out)

677
00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:28,400
(chair creaks)

678
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,633
(softly): 
It's just, this site...

679
00:29:30,633 --> 00:29:34,733
♪ ♪

680
00:29:34,733 --> 00:29:38,800
(talking indistinctly)

681
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:41,966
(brakes squeaking)

682
00:29:41,966 --> 00:29:43,066
MAN (on megaphone): 
Okay.

683
00:29:43,066 --> 00:29:45,033
Can everyone please stop 
what they are doing

684
00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:47,100
and stay exactly 
where they are?

685
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,100
(all murmuring) 
We're officers of

686
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,866
the Immigration 
Enforcement Agency,

687
00:29:49,866 --> 00:29:51,833
and we believe that 
some of you working here today

688
00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:54,166
may be doing so illegally.

689
00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:57,966
(phones ringing in background)

690
00:29:57,966 --> 00:29:59,900
MURRAY: 
So, Martin Baines' phone...

691
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,700
Melinda Ricci emailed, 
can't find the diaries

692
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,300
for that year. 
No way!

693
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,166
(scoffs): 
Just calling it 
as she sees it.

694
00:30:05,166 --> 00:30:07,566
(chuckles): 
Sorry, Murray, carry on. 
SUNNY: Sorry.

695
00:30:07,566 --> 00:30:08,700
Martin Baines' 
phone records

696
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,600
show multiple calls 
to a landline

697
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,966
which has the same address 
as the Three Crowns pub.

698
00:30:12,966 --> 00:30:15,733
Also, multiple texts 
to a Gerry

699
00:30:15,733 --> 00:30:17,600
which are very angry 
and threatening in nature.

700
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,933
But weirdly, they don't stop 
after the 24th.

701
00:30:19,933 --> 00:30:22,000
Right. 
SUNNY: 
Although you'd do that

702
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,300
if you were covering 
your tracks. 
Fair point.

703
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,266
But listen, we still need 
to take a swab from him

704
00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,100
for the assault 
in the car park.

705
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,700
Can we get someone 
down there? 
Yeah, I can sort.

706
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:32,100
And where are we 
on Cooper's records?

707
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,033
(blows out) 
So, we've obviously 
looked at

708
00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:36,733
a fair amount of 
his open-source stuff.

709
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:37,866
He used 
a number of platforms--

710
00:30:37,866 --> 00:30:39,200
Parler, Reddit,

711
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,333
obviously, Twitter. 
X.

712
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:41,733
X.

713
00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:43,233
And?

714
00:30:43,233 --> 00:30:45,300
Endless fights on X,

715
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,700
very aggressive 
and hate speech-y from him,

716
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:49,766
but perhaps more significantly, 
to him.

717
00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:51,966
Any physical threats to him?

718
00:30:51,966 --> 00:30:54,166
Dozens, that we've found so far.

719
00:30:54,166 --> 00:30:55,766
And death threats. 
Mm-hmm.

720
00:30:55,766 --> 00:30:57,466
And the rows were about? 
Everything that 
you'd expect

721
00:30:57,466 --> 00:30:58,633
from what we're now 
learning about him.

722
00:30:58,633 --> 00:31:00,266
Um, immigration, lockdown,

723
00:31:00,266 --> 00:31:02,033
grooming gangs, 
vaccines--

724
00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:03,133
it's gammon bingo.

725
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:04,266
You can't say that.

726
00:31:04,266 --> 00:31:06,200
(both chuckle) 
Emails and texts

727
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,333
have just come in.

728
00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:08,333
I'm getting them printed up.

729
00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:09,333
Triangulation,

730
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:10,333
still waiting on.

731
00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:11,466
Man. 
(sighs)

732
00:31:11,466 --> 00:31:12,466
I would've loved 
to have been

733
00:31:12,466 --> 00:31:13,500
a fly on the wall 
in that house.

734
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,500
Well, the daughter was.

735
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:18,800
I mean, 
if this was

736
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,533
some sort of 
coercive toxic marriage

737
00:31:20,533 --> 00:31:22,066
that blew up,

738
00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,133
she would've witnessed it, 
right?

739
00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:25,766
She'd have certainly 
seen something.

740
00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:28,666
I wonder if the school 
would let us talk to her there.

741
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,066
Why don't we call them?

742
00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:33,966
♪ ♪

743
00:31:33,966 --> 00:31:35,566
(knock at door)

744
00:31:35,566 --> 00:31:36,700
(door opens)

745
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,233
Hey. 
Hi.

746
00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:40,966
Just, uh,

747
00:31:40,966 --> 00:31:42,500
just wondered 
if you got my email.

748
00:31:43,766 --> 00:31:45,400
Uh, no.

749
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,566
Sorry, been a bit...

750
00:31:48,566 --> 00:31:50,133
What did it say?

751
00:31:50,133 --> 00:31:53,000
Uh, the board want a meeting.

752
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,100
They, they think 
they have a solution.

753
00:31:57,166 --> 00:31:58,400
What solution?

754
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,333
Well, obviously,

755
00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:02,300
uh, you're aware 
that funding's on the floor

756
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:03,866
for the next five years, anyway,

757
00:32:03,866 --> 00:32:06,000
so, basically, um...

758
00:32:08,066 --> 00:32:11,100
They want to offer you 
early retirement.

759
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:16,133
♪ ♪

760
00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:20,766
(breathes deeply)

761
00:32:26,166 --> 00:32:28,600
♪ ♪

762
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,233
FALLON: 
Asif was a lovely guy.

763
00:32:30,233 --> 00:32:31,900
Couldn't do enough 
for people.

764
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,833
And I presume that includes 
the Dowari family.

765
00:32:33,833 --> 00:32:34,833
Absolutely.

766
00:32:34,833 --> 00:32:36,700
In fact, I ran into him

767
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,333
a few months after 
he stopped working for us,

768
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:40,466
and he told me he was 
still in contact with them,

769
00:32:40,466 --> 00:32:43,800
still helping them, 
all pro bono.

770
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,633
Did you personally ever 
see him have any interaction

771
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:47,866
with Gerard Cooper?

772
00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,166
A few times, yeah.

773
00:32:49,166 --> 00:32:50,333
What was he like with him?

774
00:32:50,333 --> 00:32:52,666
Always incredibly 
polite.

775
00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:54,300
Very quietly spoken.

776
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:56,166
Very diplomatic.

777
00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:57,466
So, he never got 
wound up by him?

778
00:32:57,466 --> 00:32:58,600
Not to his face, no.

779
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,900
How do you mean, 
not to his face?

780
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,466
I gave him a lift 
to another rental one time.

781
00:33:02,466 --> 00:33:04,166
It was on my way back to 
the office, and he said

782
00:33:04,166 --> 00:33:07,133
back in his country, 
in his village,

783
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:08,700
people like Cooper 
got dealt with.

784
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,733
What do you think 
he meant by that?

785
00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:11,933
I don't know.

786
00:33:11,933 --> 00:33:13,766
I just remember there was 
something in his eyes

787
00:33:13,766 --> 00:33:15,666
when he said it that 
sent a chill down my spine.

788
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:17,133
And the Dowaris-- 
can I speak to them?

789
00:33:17,133 --> 00:33:18,966
If you can find them.

790
00:33:18,966 --> 00:33:22,633
We moved them from Cooper's flat 
to another in February 2021,

791
00:33:22,633 --> 00:33:24,733
and then, a few weeks later,

792
00:33:24,733 --> 00:33:26,566
they just upped and left 
one night.

793
00:33:26,566 --> 00:33:27,833
Completely dropped out of 
the system.

794
00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:29,033
Specifically when

795
00:33:29,033 --> 00:33:31,333
did they disappear?

796
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:34,166
February 28, 2021.

797
00:33:34,166 --> 00:33:35,900
♪ ♪

798
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,600
Can I have their 
last address, please?

799
00:33:38,833 --> 00:33:41,266
MURRAY (voiceover): 
For elimination purposes,

800
00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:43,800
I really think we should 
swab Asif Syed.

801
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,000
On it.

802
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,066
♪ ♪

803
00:33:48,066 --> 00:33:50,033
(entering number on desk phone)

804
00:33:50,033 --> 00:33:53,833
So these are text messages 
from 2019-2020,

805
00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:55,033
and you don't have 
to read too many

806
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,366
to realize that they were

807
00:33:56,366 --> 00:33:58,300
quite clearly in a relationship 
at this point.

808
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,233
"Hey, at work and can't stop 
replaying last night.

809
00:34:03,233 --> 00:34:05,466
"Getting hard just thinking 
about you.

810
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:07,066
G. Kiss, kiss, kiss."

811
00:34:07,066 --> 00:34:09,100
Yeah, last of the 
great charmers.

812
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:11,000
That's, uh, 
February 2020.

813
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,033
Okay.

814
00:34:12,033 --> 00:34:13,333
Um...

815
00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:17,066
"Eurostar full, 
how about we fly?"

816
00:34:17,066 --> 00:34:19,266
"J. and T. away with her mum 
for the weekend.

817
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:21,333
Shall we play?"

818
00:34:21,333 --> 00:34:23,200
That's April 2019.

819
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,300
Mm, so, we've got emails 
going between them

820
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,433
from late 2018,

821
00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:30,066
which is when the relationship 
seemed to have started.

822
00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:32,133
Okay, so she flat-out lied.

823
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:33,666
Mm, yeah.

824
00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:36,000
It all seems to go sour

825
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,900
sort of start of 2021?

826
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:41,233
My guess is that he knew 
not to write down too much,

827
00:34:41,233 --> 00:34:43,866
uh, but I did find 
these three messages.

828
00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:45,900
These are just 
from his side,

829
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,200
and these are from 
February 2021.

830
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,533
"Do not ignore me, Mel, 
or you will regret it."

831
00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:51,833
Yeah.

832
00:34:51,833 --> 00:34:54,266
Uh, "Mel, call me.

833
00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:55,733
"We can still discuss 
the amount.

834
00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:57,000
I am open to discussion."

835
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,133
And this last one is from

836
00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:00,733
the 15th of February.

837
00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:01,733
"If you make me lose

838
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,500
"everything I have 
ever worked for,

839
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:04,800
"I swear to God, I will

840
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,500
mess you up."

841
00:35:07,633 --> 00:35:09,866
Okay, so these are 
blackmail threats.

842
00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:12,266
Mm, from a person 
we know was violent.

843
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,566
(sighs)

844
00:35:17,633 --> 00:35:18,966
Do you think 
they could have met?

845
00:35:18,966 --> 00:35:20,433
Who?

846
00:35:21,566 --> 00:35:23,533
Uh, Melinda and Juliet.

847
00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:27,333
♪ ♪

848
00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:28,466
Wow.

849
00:35:28,466 --> 00:35:30,933
No, it's just a thought.

850
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,833
Okay, uh...

851
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:37,700
One of us has to go over there, 
and it can't be me.

852
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,266
Okay. 
Sorry.

853
00:35:39,266 --> 00:35:40,266
Uh, no, that's fine...

854
00:35:40,266 --> 00:35:41,300
It's just,

855
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,266
I, I, um...

856
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:44,400
I still have

857
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,533
stuff going on at, at home, 
Sunny.

858
00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:48,066
No, you don't have 
to explain.

859
00:35:48,066 --> 00:35:49,466
I, I'm sorry, 
because I know we,

860
00:35:49,466 --> 00:35:53,900
you know, we, we both shared 
before, but, um...

861
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,500
(stammering)

862
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,700
(laughs): 
To be honest, it is just

863
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:59,633
so damn complicated,

864
00:35:59,633 --> 00:36:01,600
I wouldn't even know 
where to begin.

865
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Seriously, no worries at all.

866
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,366
But also, you know, 
I'm here if you...

867
00:36:08,366 --> 00:36:09,933
Thank you.

868
00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:12,700
Seriously, thank you.

869
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,266
Okay, right.

870
00:36:18,433 --> 00:36:22,833
♪ ♪

871
00:36:22,833 --> 00:36:25,633
(talking indistinctly)

872
00:36:28,533 --> 00:36:30,633
Um, sorry-- hey, Lee.

873
00:36:30,633 --> 00:36:31,966
Hey, how you doing?

874
00:36:31,966 --> 00:36:35,466
Yeah, all, all great, thanks-- 
uh, did you get my message?

875
00:36:35,466 --> 00:36:38,700
Yeah, really sorry, 
I've been mad busy, but, um,

876
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:40,033
I'll call you.

877
00:36:40,033 --> 00:36:42,666
Yeah, I... No rush.

878
00:36:42,666 --> 00:36:43,733
Just, yeah.

879
00:36:43,733 --> 00:36:44,900
Yeah.

880
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:46,066
Speak soon, then.

881
00:36:47,033 --> 00:36:48,533
Uh, yeah,

882
00:36:48,533 --> 00:36:50,133
Uh, yeah.

883
00:36:50,133 --> 00:36:51,900
Sorry to, uh, interrupt.

884
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:53,666
♪ ♪

885
00:36:53,666 --> 00:36:55,333
MAN: 
So what I was saying 
is that financially...

886
00:36:55,333 --> 00:37:00,500
♪ ♪

887
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:05,233
(gulls squawking)

888
00:37:05,233 --> 00:37:08,100
It'll just be 
ten seconds.

889
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,100
Alison said she needed 
to be here if you spoke to me,

890
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:12,766
so where, 
where's Alison?

891
00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:14,300
I didn't want to get her 
all the way down here

892
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:15,900
just for a swab, Marty.

893
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,433
DOT: 
Come on, love.

894
00:37:17,433 --> 00:37:19,233
Help the young lady out, huh?

895
00:37:20,233 --> 00:37:21,366
Okey-dokey,

896
00:37:21,366 --> 00:37:23,000
pig in a pokey.

897
00:37:26,066 --> 00:37:27,600
I, I,

898
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,966
so, just give me a minute.

899
00:37:28,966 --> 00:37:31,233
♪ ♪

900
00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:37,666
Okay.

901
00:37:37,666 --> 00:37:38,866
Here we go.

902
00:37:38,866 --> 00:37:43,100
♪ ♪

903
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:47,966
(footsteps approach)

904
00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:49,366
Hey.

905
00:37:49,366 --> 00:37:50,633
Hey.

906
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,566
Is Hassan not here?

907
00:37:56,566 --> 00:37:58,566
He's not back 
from work yet.

908
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:02,233
Look,

909
00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:05,333
Asif, I've been thinking about 
everything you said, and...

910
00:38:06,633 --> 00:38:08,633
I'm, I'm sorry.

911
00:38:10,233 --> 00:38:12,400
I, I really am.

912
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,300
(exhales)

913
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:15,800
Asif,

914
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,066
you, you cope so well.

915
00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:23,066
You're so, so strong, 
that

916
00:38:23,066 --> 00:38:25,400
I, I forget what 
you've been through.

917
00:38:27,533 --> 00:38:31,733
But, I mean, 
the truth is, I...

918
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:34,333
I can't even 
begin to imagine

919
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:36,666
what it must have been like 
for you.

920
00:38:39,666 --> 00:38:42,200
And I do

921
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,666
completely understand 
your anger.

922
00:38:48,533 --> 00:38:50,233
And...

923
00:38:50,233 --> 00:38:52,500
Listen.

924
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,766
I want to try and help.

925
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,400
(heavy knock at door)

926
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,666
♪ ♪

927
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:11,866
Evening, sir.

928
00:39:11,866 --> 00:39:13,566
Hello.

929
00:39:13,566 --> 00:39:15,233
Is this your home?

930
00:39:15,233 --> 00:39:16,500
Uh, it is, yeah.

931
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:17,833
You're Samuel Collet?

932
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:19,000
Yes.

933
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,533
Mr. Collet, 
my name is

934
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:22,900
Officer Hughes from the 
Immigration Enforcement Unit.

935
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,700
I have a warrant 
to search these premises

936
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,200
under Section 28D of 
the Immigration Act 1971,

937
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,366
with regard to information 
gained on an earlier raid today.

938
00:39:31,366 --> 00:39:33,166
Are we okay to 
come in, please?

939
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,133
Yeah, yeah, sure.

940
00:39:38,966 --> 00:39:41,766
♪ ♪

941
00:39:41,766 --> 00:39:42,800
(door closes)

942
00:39:45,833 --> 00:39:50,866
♪ ♪

943
00:39:52,833 --> 00:39:58,300
♪ ♪

944
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,533
Enjoy your flight, sir.

945
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,600
Thanks.

946
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,000
♪ ♪

947
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,533
(birds chirping)

948
00:40:16,266 --> 00:40:19,200
♪ ♪

949
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,866
♪ ♪

950
00:40:27,866 --> 00:40:29,000
DOREEN: 
Marty?

951
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,300
Marty, come on!

952
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:31,666
(knocking heavily)

953
00:40:32,633 --> 00:40:33,766
(grunts)

954
00:40:33,766 --> 00:40:37,233
Why have you double-locked 
the door, Marty?

955
00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:39,366
I just need to see Mum, 
sweetheart.

956
00:40:39,366 --> 00:40:40,833
Please let me in.

957
00:40:40,833 --> 00:40:44,866
♪ ♪

958
00:40:44,866 --> 00:40:46,900
Marty!

959
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,033
I just need to see 
Mum's okay.

960
00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:52,933
If you don't let me in, 
I'll have to call the police.

961
00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:57,733
(breath trembling)

962
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:04,133
♪ ♪

963
00:41:04,133 --> 00:41:07,566
(breath trembling)

964
00:41:07,566 --> 00:41:10,133
♪ ♪

965
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,966
♪ ♪

966
00:41:29,866 --> 00:41:33,033
(Hughes talking softly)

967
00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:34,466
Okay, sure.

968
00:41:34,466 --> 00:41:35,700
(aloud): 
Okay.

969
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,466
Do you want to come through, 
please, Mr. Collet?

970
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,100
Wait.

971
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,633
Why is my partner 
still here?

972
00:41:42,633 --> 00:41:44,466
Ah, ah, ah, ah... 
No, I've already explained 
to you,

973
00:41:44,466 --> 00:41:45,733
it's got nothing 
to do with him.

974
00:41:45,733 --> 00:41:47,233
It was all me.

975
00:41:47,233 --> 00:41:48,500
♪ ♪

976
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:49,700
HUGHES: 
This way.

977
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,000
♪ ♪

978
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
BISHOP: 
Okay, we've had a request

979
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,533
from a Bishop Street 
Station in London

980
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,400
in connection with 
another investigation.

981
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,500
They're asking if they could 
get a swab from you today.

982
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,466
Are you okay with that?

983
00:42:02,466 --> 00:42:03,666
Yes.

984
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:05,033
If you'd like to follow me, 
then, please.

985
00:42:05,033 --> 00:42:08,666
(phone ringing in background)

986
00:42:08,666 --> 00:42:12,866
(birds chirping)

987
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,733
(breathing softly)

988
00:42:34,833 --> 00:42:39,433
♪ ♪

989
00:42:56,066 --> 00:42:58,233
Yeah, it would just be 
a general chat, really,

990
00:42:58,233 --> 00:43:00,200
um, just about the events

991
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,266
leading up to her dad's 
disappearance.

992
00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:03,633
Right.

993
00:43:03,633 --> 00:43:06,200
Which, as I say, 
for a number of reasons,

994
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,766
we would rather do 
without her mum present.

995
00:43:08,766 --> 00:43:09,800
BUXTON: 
Is she...

996
00:43:11,366 --> 00:43:14,366
I mean, has Mrs. Cooper been

997
00:43:14,366 --> 00:43:15,366
arrested?

998
00:43:15,366 --> 00:43:16,800
No.

999
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,800
Not yet.

1000
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,133
(knock at door)

1001
00:43:19,133 --> 00:43:20,133
BUXTON: 
I'll need to take some advice 
on this.

1002
00:43:20,133 --> 00:43:21,233
Can I call you right back?

1003
00:43:21,233 --> 00:43:22,566
Yep, okay.

1004
00:43:22,566 --> 00:43:23,600
(stammers): 
A.S.A.P., please.

1005
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Bye.

1006
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Sorry to disturb, guv.

1007
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,066
Juliet Cooper's downstairs.

1008
00:43:28,066 --> 00:43:29,533
And she wants 
to speak to you.

1009
00:43:33,766 --> 00:43:36,500
Yesterday, 
my daughter told me

1010
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:39,700
that about a week before 
her dad went missing,

1011
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,533
she'd come home from school

1012
00:43:41,533 --> 00:43:44,633
to find a young man 
who'd worked for Gerry

1013
00:43:44,633 --> 00:43:45,966
in our flat.

1014
00:43:47,633 --> 00:43:49,733
He'd obviously 
broken in somehow.

1015
00:43:49,733 --> 00:43:51,866
I was still at work, 
Gerry was out at meetings,

1016
00:43:51,866 --> 00:43:53,933
meaning Taylor 
was alone with him.

1017
00:43:53,933 --> 00:43:57,466
And did she know him?

1018
00:43:57,466 --> 00:43:59,700
Yeah, she chatted to him 
when he worked downstairs,

1019
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,333
but she said he was

1020
00:44:01,333 --> 00:44:04,333
very agitated 
and very angry.

1021
00:44:04,333 --> 00:44:06,166
About? 
Her dad.

1022
00:44:06,166 --> 00:44:08,133
Maybe me, a bit.

1023
00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:11,000
And he told her that

1024
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,966
he wanted to hurt her dad,

1025
00:44:12,966 --> 00:44:16,200
like he thought 
Gerry had hurt him.

1026
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,433
And how old was Taylor?

1027
00:44:17,433 --> 00:44:18,966
Eleven.

1028
00:44:18,966 --> 00:44:21,066
My God, that must have 
been terrifying for her.

1029
00:44:21,066 --> 00:44:22,700
It was.

1030
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:24,366
And so, what happened?

1031
00:44:24,366 --> 00:44:26,800
Well, she managed 
to convince him

1032
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,366
that hurting her dad 
would be a bad idea,

1033
00:44:30,366 --> 00:44:33,166
and that it would 
really upset her.

1034
00:44:33,166 --> 00:44:36,866
He said he didn't want 
to do that.

1035
00:44:36,866 --> 00:44:40,600
So then she made him 
a glass of squash. 
(chuckles softly)

1036
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,233
They chatted a bit more,

1037
00:44:42,233 --> 00:44:45,000
and after about 20 minutes, 
he just left.

1038
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,066
And why...

1039
00:44:48,066 --> 00:44:49,900
Why has she never told you 
about this before?

1040
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:51,800
She hadn't wanted 
to get him into trouble.

1041
00:44:53,166 --> 00:44:54,700
She liked him.

1042
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,300
She felt sorry for him, 
as do I.

1043
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:59,100
Hence my slowness 
in telling you this.

1044
00:45:00,533 --> 00:45:04,533
I know he went through a really 
tough time in the pandemic.

1045
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,200
Does she remember his name?

1046
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,800
Yes.

1047
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,866
It was Marty.

1048
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,566
Marty Baines.

1049
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,366
(battering ram pounding door)

1050
00:45:19,366 --> 00:45:21,000
(lock breaks)

1051
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:25,633
Here.

1052
00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:27,500
(panting)

1053
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:28,666
OFFICER: 
There's no one in 
either of the bedrooms.

1054
00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:30,133
Ambulance.

1055
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:31,966
OFFICER: 
Medical assistance 
required urgently, please.

1056
00:45:31,966 --> 00:45:35,300
Dot? Dot, can you 
hear me? Dot?

1057
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:38,066
(panting)

1058
00:45:39,566 --> 00:45:45,600
♪ ♪

1059
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,033
(click)

1060
00:46:02,366 --> 00:46:03,400
♪ ♪

1061
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,066
You okay, mate?

1062
00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:06,100
SUNNY: 
Gerry Cooper.

1063
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:07,833
What was he threatening you 
with?

1064
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:09,400
The only chance you have 
of saving anything

1065
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,866
is if you tell me 
the truth.

1066
00:46:10,866 --> 00:46:11,833
(computer beeps)

1067
00:46:11,833 --> 00:46:12,666
FRAN: We have a match

1068
00:46:12,666 --> 00:46:13,766
to DNA material found

1069
00:46:13,766 --> 00:46:14,866
on the sweatshirt 
of Gerry Cooper.

1070
00:46:14,866 --> 00:46:20,400
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00:46:26,133 --> 00:46:29,733
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00:46:29,733 --> 00:46:31,666
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00:46:33,233 --> 00:46:35,000
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00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,733
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00:46:36,733 --> 00:46:39,600
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00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,566
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00:46:41,566 --> 00:46:44,466
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