1 00:00:01,466 --> 00:00:02,866 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:02,866 --> 00:00:04,933 JESSICA: Mr. Cooper was also the victim of an assault 3 00:00:04,933 --> 00:00:06,633 before he disappeared. 4 00:00:06,633 --> 00:00:07,966 ♪ ♪ 5 00:00:07,966 --> 00:00:09,033 Why would we have him killed? 6 00:00:09,033 --> 00:00:10,300 Dead men don't pay debts. 7 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:11,933 RAM: Reckoned he was killed by a lad 8 00:00:11,933 --> 00:00:13,800 that Cooper had employed the previous year, 9 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,900 but who'd not got furlough. 10 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:16,066 Hello, Marty. 11 00:00:16,066 --> 00:00:17,766 I'd like to speak to social services... 12 00:00:17,766 --> 00:00:19,900 DOT: Can't leave him on his own. 13 00:00:19,900 --> 00:00:20,966 MARKAJ: He was with another woman. 14 00:00:20,966 --> 00:00:22,033 JESSICA: What other woman? 15 00:00:22,033 --> 00:00:23,600 If you say anything to anyone, 16 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,066 you'll regret it. 17 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:27,600 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,200 ♪ ♪ 19 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,233 (thunder claps) 20 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,433 (whimpers) 21 00:00:38,466 --> 00:00:39,500 (click) 22 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:45,133 ♪ ♪ 23 00:00:50,933 --> 00:00:54,500 ♪ ♪ 24 00:00:58,766 --> 00:01:04,500 ♪ ♪ 25 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:08,300 ♪ All we do is hide away ♪ 26 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:12,333 ♪ All we do is, all we do is hide away ♪ 27 00:01:12,333 --> 00:01:16,166 ♪ All we do is lie in wait ♪ 28 00:01:16,166 --> 00:01:19,666 ♪ All we do is, all we do is lie in wait ♪ 29 00:01:19,666 --> 00:01:23,266 ♪ I've been upside down ♪ 30 00:01:23,266 --> 00:01:27,233 ♪ I don't want to be the right way round ♪ 31 00:01:27,233 --> 00:01:30,400 ♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪ 32 00:01:33,066 --> 00:01:38,100 ♪ ♪ 33 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:46,500 (siren wailing) 34 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:48,400 He didn't have the name of the employee, 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,500 but Fran tracked down one of the old bar staff, 36 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:51,600 so that might throw something up. 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Okay, well, I'm at the widow's now, 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 so I'll ask her, as well. 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,366 (incoming call tone beeps) 40 00:01:55,366 --> 00:01:56,833 Yeah, cool, speak later. 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,433 Leanne, what's up? 42 00:01:59,433 --> 00:02:00,933 Massive breakthrough. 43 00:02:00,933 --> 00:02:02,066 What? 44 00:02:02,066 --> 00:02:03,266 LEANNE: I found a pub in King's Cross 45 00:02:03,266 --> 00:02:04,600 where you can actually hear yourself talk. 46 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,033 Game-changer. 47 00:02:07,033 --> 00:02:08,066 (chuckles) 48 00:02:09,066 --> 00:02:11,233 I'm a great team player who enjoys 49 00:02:11,233 --> 00:02:13,500 meeting new challenges on a daily basis. 50 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:22,133 MARTY: And I'm a great team player 51 00:02:22,133 --> 00:02:25,233 who enjoys meeting new challenges on a daily basis. 52 00:02:25,233 --> 00:02:27,133 And so, basically, there's pretty good evidence 53 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:29,033 to suggest the money was paid back. 54 00:02:29,033 --> 00:02:30,500 What evidence? 55 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:32,600 A cash deposit in Markaj's account 56 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,366 eight days before your husband went missing. 57 00:02:35,366 --> 00:02:37,000 (inhales) 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,300 Right. (exhales) 59 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:39,700 Now, obviously, we will check that, 60 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:41,900 but for now, we're pretty satisfied 61 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:44,400 that Mr. Markaj isn't a person of interest. 62 00:02:46,133 --> 00:02:49,466 Getting a strong sense of déjà vu here. 63 00:02:49,466 --> 00:02:52,766 One thing Sidhu did consider was 64 00:02:52,766 --> 00:02:54,666 the possibility the attack outside the pub 65 00:02:54,666 --> 00:02:55,900 was committed by 66 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:57,500 a disgruntled employee. 67 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:58,600 Which employee? 68 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Some lad who hadn't been given furlough? 69 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,666 I don't know anything about that. 70 00:03:02,666 --> 00:03:04,066 No? 71 00:03:04,066 --> 00:03:05,100 Sorry. 72 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:07,733 (inhales): Okay, um... 73 00:03:07,733 --> 00:03:08,866 (clears throat) 74 00:03:08,866 --> 00:03:11,733 And then lastly, can I just ask you 75 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:14,133 if you ever thought your husband might've been having an affair? 76 00:03:15,966 --> 00:03:17,933 What the hell sort of question is that? 77 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:20,100 Sorry, it, it came out of the Markaj interview. 78 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,166 He said he saw him in his car with another woman. 79 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:24,533 I'm sure he did. 80 00:03:24,533 --> 00:03:25,800 No, I didn't. 81 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,233 No suspicions at all? 82 00:03:27,233 --> 00:03:28,233 No, never. 83 00:03:28,233 --> 00:03:30,200 Okay. 84 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Thanks very much for your time, Juliet. 85 00:03:34,833 --> 00:03:39,566 ♪ ♪ 86 00:03:39,566 --> 00:03:41,000 (door opens) 87 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,466 (car door opens) 88 00:03:47,466 --> 00:03:48,500 (door closes) 89 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:51,466 ♪ ♪ 90 00:03:51,466 --> 00:03:54,800 Uh, I, I think I might postpone tonight. 91 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,866 Was he? 92 00:03:57,866 --> 00:03:58,900 Sorry? 93 00:03:59,966 --> 00:04:01,266 Having an affair. 94 00:04:01,266 --> 00:04:02,933 No! 95 00:04:02,933 --> 00:04:04,266 Absolutely not! 96 00:04:04,266 --> 00:04:06,200 Jesus, you weren't meant to hear that. 97 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,666 (exhales) 98 00:04:07,666 --> 00:04:08,833 No. 99 00:04:09,966 --> 00:04:11,700 He wasn't. 100 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:18,766 (exhales) 101 00:04:18,766 --> 00:04:21,433 Did you hear what I said about the therapy session? 102 00:04:21,433 --> 00:04:22,733 Yeah. Yeah? I'm just, 103 00:04:22,733 --> 00:04:25,100 I'm not in the right headspace today. 104 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:26,133 What about me? 105 00:04:27,166 --> 00:04:28,933 You've resisted this for three years, 106 00:04:28,933 --> 00:04:30,700 and now you can't wait a few days? 107 00:04:32,066 --> 00:04:33,666 It's different now, though, isn't it? 108 00:04:35,633 --> 00:04:37,566 Stuff's coming up. 109 00:04:37,566 --> 00:04:42,600 ♪ ♪ 110 00:04:44,266 --> 00:04:45,533 I'll pick you up at 7:00. 111 00:04:45,533 --> 00:04:50,466 ♪ ♪ 112 00:04:51,466 --> 00:04:53,166 (phone ringing) 113 00:04:53,166 --> 00:04:55,166 (sighs) 114 00:04:55,166 --> 00:05:00,966 (ringing continues) 115 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,266 Paul. Jules. 116 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:08,600 Just wondering whether you'd reconsidered 117 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,966 what we discussed. 118 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:13,166 Fine, I'll meet them. 119 00:05:14,833 --> 00:05:19,366 (birds chirping) 120 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:23,800 (keys clacking) 121 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:26,766 (mouse clicks) 122 00:05:32,233 --> 00:05:34,900 Police have today identified the remains 123 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:36,766 found in Whitney Marsh last week 124 00:05:36,766 --> 00:05:39,800 as belonging to Bow publican Gerard Cooper. 125 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,933 Mr. Cooper, who was 54 years old 126 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:43,200 at the time of his disappearance, 127 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,533 was reported missing in February 2021. 128 00:05:46,533 --> 00:05:49,266 Following the gruesome discovery on Sunday morning, 129 00:05:49,266 --> 00:05:52,166 police have now launched a murder investigation 130 00:05:52,166 --> 00:05:54,166 and have appealed for anyone with information 131 00:05:54,166 --> 00:05:55,166 to come forward. 132 00:05:55,166 --> 00:05:56,166 (mouse clicks) 133 00:05:56,166 --> 00:06:01,266 ♪ ♪ 134 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:12,533 (Asif and Hassan speaking Dari) 135 00:06:14,566 --> 00:06:17,000 HASSAN: 136 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,233 (Asif grunts) 137 00:06:18,233 --> 00:06:20,000 HASSAN: 138 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,200 ASIF: 139 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,100 (both laughing) 140 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:26,166 (Hassan exhales) 141 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:28,200 (both laughing) 142 00:06:35,033 --> 00:06:38,966 You know, the first time I saw the sea was in Calais, 143 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:40,433 with my brother. (sniffs) 144 00:06:41,566 --> 00:06:44,566 We'd originally planned to cross in September, but 145 00:06:44,566 --> 00:06:47,766 it ended up taking us seven months to get to France. 146 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:50,433 Rather than wait for spring, 147 00:06:50,433 --> 00:06:53,033 we decided to take a cheaper place in January. 148 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:56,766 33 of us. 149 00:06:56,766 --> 00:06:58,633 In a boat designed for 12. 150 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:02,700 26 men, four women, three kids. 151 00:07:05,433 --> 00:07:08,700 The water started coming in after about an hour. 152 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,766 We rang the Coastguard, 153 00:07:11,766 --> 00:07:14,066 but they said we were still in French waters. 154 00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:17,400 I told them there were children on board, but... 155 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:23,566 And then a wave tipped us over. 156 00:07:26,466 --> 00:07:30,366 (gulls calling) 157 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:35,066 No one tells you about the cold, Hassan. 158 00:07:37,433 --> 00:07:39,333 Sucks the air right out of your lungs. 159 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:42,633 Can't even scream. 160 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:48,700 We got picked up by the U.K. Coastguard 161 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:52,100 maybe 40 minutes later. 162 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:54,733 26 of us by that point. 163 00:07:54,733 --> 00:07:57,600 The others they found the next day. 164 00:07:59,933 --> 00:08:02,066 ♪ ♪ 165 00:08:02,066 --> 00:08:05,800 My brother and one of the kids didn't wash up for a week. 166 00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:12,466 ♪ ♪ 167 00:08:14,666 --> 00:08:20,166 ♪ ♪ 168 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:21,800 (door closes in distance) 169 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,000 (door squeaks) 170 00:08:27,566 --> 00:08:28,600 (officer exhales) 171 00:08:30,033 --> 00:08:31,433 Fab, thank you. There you go. 172 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:33,600 Good luck. (laughs): Thanks. 173 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,066 ♪ ♪ 174 00:08:37,066 --> 00:08:40,033 (horns honking) 175 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:42,100 FRAN: So how long did you work for him? 176 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:45,400 Nearly four years total, although one year of that 177 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,900 was the first year of the pandemic, so... 178 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:47,966 And you got furloughed? 179 00:08:47,966 --> 00:08:49,733 I did. Generally speaking, 180 00:08:49,733 --> 00:08:51,666 was he a good employer? 181 00:08:51,666 --> 00:08:53,400 (hesitantly): He was, yeah. 182 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Little pause there. 183 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,433 No, just, uh... (chuckles) 184 00:08:57,433 --> 00:08:59,066 He was a... 185 00:08:59,066 --> 00:09:01,233 An old white guy, you know? 186 00:09:01,233 --> 00:09:02,233 A little 187 00:09:02,233 --> 00:09:04,166 unreconstructed? 188 00:09:04,166 --> 00:09:06,200 But I'm nit-picking-- he was a nice guy. 189 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,900 Okay. 190 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:09,400 And did you know his wife? 191 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,533 A bit. 192 00:09:10,533 --> 00:09:11,866 They lived above the pub, 193 00:09:11,866 --> 00:09:13,833 so, yeah, I got to know her and Taylor a bit. 194 00:09:13,833 --> 00:09:15,733 And you got on with Juliet okay? 195 00:09:15,733 --> 00:09:17,500 (chuckles): I'm not sure she was in love with the idea 196 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:19,800 of him running a pub, but 197 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,166 yeah, we got on fine. 198 00:09:21,166 --> 00:09:22,866 So, did they get on all right? 199 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:25,266 Well, I'd say not brilliantly, from what I saw. 200 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:27,533 In what way? She could be quite 201 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:28,833 dismissive of him. 202 00:09:28,833 --> 00:09:31,066 Like, she thought he was a bit 203 00:09:31,066 --> 00:09:32,133 stupid? 204 00:09:32,133 --> 00:09:33,400 Right. 205 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,866 So, did they row, or...? 206 00:09:35,866 --> 00:09:37,433 I mean, not in the pub, no, 207 00:09:37,433 --> 00:09:40,200 but a few times, when it was quiet, 208 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,966 or before we were open, 209 00:09:41,966 --> 00:09:43,666 I heard them going at each other 210 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:45,266 through the ceiling. Oh, okay. 211 00:09:45,266 --> 00:09:47,966 So, your other colleagues there, 212 00:09:47,966 --> 00:09:49,566 the other staff, um, 213 00:09:49,566 --> 00:09:50,666 did any of them ever fall out with him? 214 00:09:50,666 --> 00:09:53,266 No, not really, until lockdown. 215 00:09:53,266 --> 00:09:56,100 Yes, right, so, this is the guy who didn't get furloughed? 216 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:58,300 Yes. What was his name? 217 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:00,866 Martin-- or, we called him Marty. 218 00:10:00,866 --> 00:10:02,933 Marty Baines. 219 00:10:02,933 --> 00:10:07,333 ♪ ♪ 220 00:10:20,433 --> 00:10:22,200 Most men with the same injury as Patrick's 221 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,400 can't father a child, no. 222 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,266 But as I'm sure you've heard said many times, 223 00:10:28,266 --> 00:10:29,733 every case is unique. 224 00:10:31,266 --> 00:10:32,700 Yes. (chuckles) 225 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:35,666 And if you were thinking of starting a family, 226 00:10:35,666 --> 00:10:37,533 there is, of course, sperm harvesting, and... 227 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:39,466 That's fine, that's... 228 00:10:39,466 --> 00:10:41,766 That's all I needed to know. 229 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:44,166 Mm. 230 00:10:44,166 --> 00:10:46,066 Thank you so much for your time. 231 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:48,000 Thank you. 232 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 (sniffs) 233 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,033 (monitors beeping) 234 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:04,033 ♪ ♪ 235 00:11:11,966 --> 00:11:14,100 Sorry. 236 00:11:18,433 --> 00:11:20,000 (message sends) Sorry, um... 237 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Baines, you said? 238 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:22,733 Yeah, Martin. 239 00:11:22,733 --> 00:11:23,833 Or Marty? 240 00:11:23,833 --> 00:11:25,133 Do we have an address? 241 00:11:25,133 --> 00:11:27,533 She reckoned he moved back to his parents' 242 00:11:27,533 --> 00:11:29,600 in Kent somewhere shortly after Cooper disappeared. 243 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,900 How shortly? 244 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:32,033 FRAN: A week or so later. 245 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:33,266 Well, the wife's dropping over 246 00:11:33,266 --> 00:11:35,000 a load of P.A.Y.E. records later, 247 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,433 so there might be an address in there for him. 248 00:11:36,433 --> 00:11:38,266 I'll get Kaz on it. 249 00:11:38,266 --> 00:11:40,933 So, your witness was basically saying 250 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:41,966 the same as Ram Sidhu. 251 00:11:41,966 --> 00:11:43,333 Yeah, that, um, 252 00:11:43,333 --> 00:11:45,033 Cooper and this Marty had fallen out, 253 00:11:45,033 --> 00:11:46,133 she reckoned about furlough. 254 00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,600 Now, did she actually witness a row? 255 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,100 She said she didn't, 256 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:51,700 but one of her co-workers, 257 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:53,766 a lady called... (pages turning) 258 00:11:53,766 --> 00:11:54,766 ...Brianna West, 259 00:11:54,766 --> 00:11:56,500 who's now traveling, 260 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:58,600 did see him get physical with Cooper. 261 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,866 She saw him slam Cooper up against a wall. 262 00:11:59,866 --> 00:12:00,933 And when was this? 263 00:12:00,933 --> 00:12:02,066 February 2021. 264 00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:03,600 Wow. 265 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,300 I've messaged Brianna, but, just, 266 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:06,300 no idea whether she'll get it, though. 267 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:08,533 Okay. It's also worth mentioning, 268 00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:10,533 she thought this lad had some kind of disability. 269 00:12:10,533 --> 00:12:11,866 Her guess was ASD. 270 00:12:11,866 --> 00:12:13,133 JESSICA: Has Murray got 271 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:14,900 the original assault files back yet? 272 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:16,833 Coming later this afternoon, apparently. JESSICA: Okay. 273 00:12:16,833 --> 00:12:18,500 I also mentioned 274 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:20,500 a possible girlfriend to the wife this morning. 275 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,200 And? 276 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,466 Yeah, she didn't like it. 277 00:12:23,466 --> 00:12:25,133 Which makes me think your man Markaj 278 00:12:25,133 --> 00:12:26,533 was on the money. 279 00:12:26,533 --> 00:12:28,133 Any of the people that your team spoke to this morning 280 00:12:28,133 --> 00:12:29,400 hint at another woman? 281 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,133 I haven't gone through everything yet, but I'll, 282 00:12:31,133 --> 00:12:32,966 I'll check. SUNNY: Because a row that got out of hand 283 00:12:32,966 --> 00:12:34,766 about infidelity 284 00:12:34,766 --> 00:12:36,966 is just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 285 00:12:36,966 --> 00:12:39,766 ♪ ♪ 286 00:12:40,933 --> 00:12:42,400 ASIF: You see, men like you and me... 287 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,266 ...we don't do well in detention centers. 288 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:51,433 I got assaulted so many times, Hass. 289 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Without any intervention from the authorities. 290 00:12:56,133 --> 00:12:58,566 So yes, as long as I pass my citizenship test, 291 00:12:58,566 --> 00:12:59,833 I'll have a passport 292 00:12:59,833 --> 00:13:02,100 and a legal right to settle and work here. 293 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,500 (speaking Dari): 294 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,266 (door opens) SAM: Hiya! 295 00:13:23,766 --> 00:13:25,166 (door closes) Oh. 296 00:13:26,733 --> 00:13:28,533 Wow. 297 00:13:28,533 --> 00:13:30,166 Hassan. 298 00:13:30,166 --> 00:13:32,166 Hello, Sam. 299 00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:37,300 You're a week early. Uh, yeah, no, the... 300 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:38,566 The exercise got snowed off. 301 00:13:38,566 --> 00:13:43,066 ♪ ♪ 302 00:13:44,666 --> 00:13:46,633 Okay, does somebody want to tell me 303 00:13:46,633 --> 00:13:48,733 what the hell is going on? 304 00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:51,600 SAM (faintly): You know, what's more upsetting 305 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,366 than what you've actually done 306 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:55,266 is, is the fact that you've obviously been 307 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:56,633 planning this for months behind my back. 308 00:13:56,633 --> 00:13:58,133 Yes. 309 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:02,766 (chuckling): Uh, he says unapologetically. 310 00:14:02,766 --> 00:14:05,433 Well, if you'd come back when you said you were coming back, 311 00:14:05,433 --> 00:14:07,466 you would never have known, so what was the point 312 00:14:07,466 --> 00:14:08,600 in me telling you something 313 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,100 that I knew you'd try and stop me doing? 314 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:11,700 Oh, right, so you think the only problem here 315 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:13,466 is that you got found out. 316 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,700 Don't 317 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:19,300 speak to me 318 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:21,066 like I'm one of your squaddies. 319 00:14:23,866 --> 00:14:26,066 Don't you dare 320 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,933 speak to me like you think you have some 321 00:14:27,933 --> 00:14:29,733 natural authority over me. 322 00:14:29,733 --> 00:14:33,000 Then please don't speak to me 323 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,166 like I've done something wrong. 324 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:35,333 All I have done 325 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:37,000 is walk into my house, 326 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,533 and I've found an illegal immigrant 327 00:14:38,533 --> 00:14:39,966 living here. Our friend Hassan, you mean? 328 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,433 Yes, our friend Hassan, sorry. 329 00:14:41,433 --> 00:14:43,033 (pounds): How many times... 330 00:14:43,033 --> 00:14:45,133 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 331 00:14:45,133 --> 00:14:46,833 to cross the channel 332 00:14:46,833 --> 00:14:47,933 however they want to. 333 00:14:47,933 --> 00:14:50,000 SAM: Yes, I know, I know. 334 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,066 I know! 335 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:52,533 (exhales) 336 00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:02,033 Obviously. 337 00:15:03,433 --> 00:15:06,333 It's terrible that he had to do that. 338 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:09,633 And I'm sorry if I sound unsympathetic right now, Asif, 339 00:15:09,633 --> 00:15:11,833 but whether you like it or not, 340 00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:13,766 until he does formally seek asylum, 341 00:15:13,766 --> 00:15:14,866 he is here illegally. 342 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:18,233 How, how did he get here? 343 00:15:18,233 --> 00:15:19,700 Specifically? 344 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,333 In a lorry. 345 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:24,700 Which you paid for. 346 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:26,200 Yes. 347 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,433 And I owe him much more than that. 348 00:15:28,433 --> 00:15:31,233 As do you, actually, Sam, 349 00:15:31,233 --> 00:15:33,266 considering he saved both our lives. 350 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,400 Or, or have you forgotten that? 351 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,500 No, of course, I've not forgotten that. 352 00:15:39,566 --> 00:15:41,533 Well, what's, what's his plan, now? 353 00:15:41,533 --> 00:15:44,333 He's going to stay with Omar from Friday, 354 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:46,400 whilst we get him documents, 355 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,733 and then he will live his life in the U.K. 356 00:15:48,733 --> 00:15:50,433 Illegal documents, you mean. 357 00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:53,233 Yeah. (scoffs) 358 00:15:53,233 --> 00:15:55,133 I, I can't be here, Sif. 359 00:15:55,133 --> 00:15:57,466 With him, I... 360 00:15:57,466 --> 00:15:59,866 If anyone found us, I... 361 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,566 (sighs) 362 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:05,633 I... 363 00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:08,100 Yeah, I'll kip at my sister's tonight, 364 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:12,466 but, um, he needs to be gone by tomorrow. 365 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,100 (door closes) 366 00:16:19,766 --> 00:16:21,300 DOREEN: Mum's looked after you 367 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:22,700 all of her life, Marty, 368 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:24,433 so it's a massive change 369 00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:26,366 for you to suddenly have to look after her. 370 00:16:26,366 --> 00:16:29,200 And this is absolutely not your fault. 371 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,100 It's been a massive change, Doreen. 372 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,433 As I said, none of this will have to be permanent. 373 00:16:33,433 --> 00:16:35,500 If we can get you up and walking, Dot, 374 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:36,866 then hopefully we can get you back home, 375 00:16:36,866 --> 00:16:39,233 ASAP. And what about me? 376 00:16:39,233 --> 00:16:41,200 Well, I'll also be recommending some help for you, 377 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,166 either here at home 378 00:16:43,166 --> 00:16:44,666 or in some form of supported accommodation. 379 00:16:44,666 --> 00:16:45,900 How does that sound? 380 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:47,100 I live here with Mum. 381 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,100 It's a lot to grasp, isn't it? 382 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:51,166 It is a lot to grasp. 383 00:16:51,166 --> 00:16:52,766 NATASHA: Listen, um, 384 00:16:52,766 --> 00:16:54,166 none of this will have to be immediate. 385 00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:55,666 These things do take a while, 386 00:16:55,666 --> 00:16:57,633 so we'll keep talking, 387 00:16:57,633 --> 00:16:59,933 and if you have any worries, 388 00:16:59,933 --> 00:17:03,666 just call-- yeah, yeah. 389 00:17:03,666 --> 00:17:05,933 (inhales slowly) 390 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:11,333 ♪ ♪ 391 00:17:21,133 --> 00:17:24,000 ♪ ♪ 392 00:17:27,866 --> 00:17:28,900 (dog barks) 393 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,400 BETH: And often, I find it 394 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,266 helpful to ask clients what it is 395 00:17:33,266 --> 00:17:35,133 they hope to get out of this. 396 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:38,400 Maybe I could ask you first, Juliet, 397 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,133 what it is that you'd like to achieve. 398 00:17:43,033 --> 00:17:44,800 Uh... 399 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,033 I... 400 00:17:47,033 --> 00:17:49,600 I guess I'd like Taylor to be happier. 401 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,466 I mean, I... 402 00:17:51,466 --> 00:17:53,300 I know I'm not really meant to say that. 403 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:55,433 BETH: Say what? 404 00:17:55,433 --> 00:17:58,766 That I just want her to be happy. 405 00:17:58,766 --> 00:18:01,633 'Cause actually that's, um... 406 00:18:01,633 --> 00:18:05,233 (inhales): That's a pretty big ask. 407 00:18:05,233 --> 00:18:06,333 So, I guess... 408 00:18:06,333 --> 00:18:09,066 (exhales) 409 00:18:09,066 --> 00:18:11,500 I want her to be able to cope. 410 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:14,300 With school, with me, 411 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:15,766 with the future. Well, yeah. 412 00:18:15,766 --> 00:18:17,766 Coping's a good aspiration. 413 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,633 And what do you want for yourself? 414 00:18:25,966 --> 00:18:29,933 ♪ ♪ 415 00:18:29,933 --> 00:18:31,633 The same. 416 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:36,400 But, you know... 417 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,800 If... 418 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,833 If she's okay, 419 00:18:39,833 --> 00:18:42,500 then I kind of would be? 420 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:44,900 Okay-- thank you. 421 00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,233 And Taylor, 422 00:18:48,233 --> 00:18:49,633 what would you like out of all this? 423 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:52,700 Honesty. 424 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,866 I just want some real honesty between us. 425 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,233 (people talking, music playing in background) 426 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,333 Hey. Hi. 427 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:15,366 CRYOBABEE (on voice chat): This is the plan to take us over, man. 428 00:19:15,366 --> 00:19:17,300 This is the "Protocol of the Elders of Zion." 429 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:18,833 LOLCOWZ: What about Blair? What about Zelenskyy? 430 00:19:18,833 --> 00:19:19,900 What about Stoltenberg? 431 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,500 When are they gonna arrest them? 432 00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,466 CRYOBABEE: He knew they'd try to shut him down. 433 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,733 (Marty breathing slowly) They do the same to everyone who tries to speak the truth. 434 00:19:25,733 --> 00:19:28,266 LOLCOWZ: So now finally they admit it was a bio leak? 435 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:29,800 How soon before they admit... DOT: Marty! 436 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,833 ...this was population control? Marty! 437 00:19:31,833 --> 00:19:33,233 Marty, are you all right? 438 00:19:33,233 --> 00:19:35,133 (men continue talking) 439 00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,133 Marty? 440 00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:37,366 What are you doing? 441 00:19:37,366 --> 00:19:38,966 Marty! 442 00:19:39,966 --> 00:19:41,466 (Marty sighs) 443 00:19:42,466 --> 00:19:46,400 ♪ ♪ 444 00:19:48,066 --> 00:19:49,466 CRYOBABEE: You know he's got everyone there, innit? 445 00:19:49,466 --> 00:19:50,633 He's royalty, as well. 446 00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:52,600 Well, obviously, they'd have been happier 447 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,633 if I'd been a doctor or a lawyer or a... 448 00:19:55,633 --> 00:19:57,000 Or a prime minister. 449 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,300 Thanks, Rishi, for that. (chuckles) 450 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:00,300 Um, but yeah, I think 451 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,433 they'd have been proud of me, yeah. 452 00:20:02,433 --> 00:20:04,100 What about your mum and dad? 453 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:06,533 (jackhammer pounding in background) 454 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:07,633 (brakes squeak) 455 00:20:07,633 --> 00:20:09,633 (seat belt clicks) 456 00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:11,800 ♪ ♪ 457 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:12,833 (exhales softly) 458 00:20:16,066 --> 00:20:18,666 LEANNE: Would you rather fight... SUNNY: Yeah. 459 00:20:18,666 --> 00:20:20,733 ...one wolf-sized chicken... (chuckles): Yeah. 460 00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:22,066 ...or four chicken-sized wolves? 461 00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:24,000 (laughing) 462 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,033 (door closes) 463 00:20:38,533 --> 00:20:40,766 DEBBIE: Sorry, I haven't had anyone round 464 00:20:40,766 --> 00:20:42,400 for... 465 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,866 Well, forever, actually. (chuckles) 466 00:20:46,466 --> 00:20:49,900 Would you like a cup of tea or coffee? 467 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,566 Although I don't have any milk. 468 00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:55,766 Why don't you... 469 00:20:55,766 --> 00:20:57,266 Why don't you nip out and, 470 00:20:57,266 --> 00:20:59,200 and get some, and 471 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,666 I'll make a start on the dishes? 472 00:21:02,966 --> 00:21:05,300 Sorry. 473 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:10,166 ♪ ♪ 474 00:21:10,166 --> 00:21:11,200 (door opens) 475 00:21:13,033 --> 00:21:14,066 (door closes) 476 00:21:17,233 --> 00:21:20,333 LEANNE (voiceover): And I get so fed up 477 00:21:20,333 --> 00:21:21,666 of people feeling sorry for me. 478 00:21:21,666 --> 00:21:23,033 It's great being single. 479 00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:24,933 I, I have a lovely life. 480 00:21:24,933 --> 00:21:27,300 I have freedom, money, 481 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:28,966 great friends, 482 00:21:28,966 --> 00:21:30,800 fabulous nieces and nephews, 483 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,600 so, yeah. 484 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Yeah. 485 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,733 To singletons. To singletons. 486 00:21:38,733 --> 00:21:39,966 (glasses clink) 487 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,300 And are things improving, or... 488 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:49,566 Well, I've... 489 00:21:49,566 --> 00:21:53,600 I've started some new meds, and they do 490 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,700 seem to work better than the last ones, 491 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:56,800 so... 492 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,866 And do you need anything? 493 00:22:02,866 --> 00:22:05,400 Money? A cleaner? 494 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Anything? 495 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,433 I'm good. 496 00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:10,066 But thank you. 497 00:22:12,366 --> 00:22:14,200 So... 498 00:22:15,866 --> 00:22:17,966 The reason, um... 499 00:22:19,966 --> 00:22:21,800 The reason I wanted to meet up 500 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,900 was to see if we could 501 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,100 move forward. 502 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,600 Yes. 503 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,600 You know, 'cause 504 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600 you are my sister. 505 00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:35,400 And I do love you. 506 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,400 And I love you, too. 507 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,466 (voice trembling): So much. 508 00:22:40,466 --> 00:22:42,333 Except, I'm not sure that I can move forward 509 00:22:42,333 --> 00:22:44,333 till I know for sure that you're being 510 00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:46,300 completely truthful 511 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,900 with me. And I want to be. 512 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:50,400 Okay, so, 513 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,433 did Mum tell you what Steve 514 00:22:53,433 --> 00:22:55,766 said about you and him 515 00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:58,233 when I, when I confronted him with what you told me? 516 00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,766 Yes. 517 00:23:00,766 --> 00:23:03,500 That you'd lied to me about sleeping with him for, 518 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:06,200 I mean, for reasons I still, I don't fully understand, 519 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,033 but that it was, it was just a kiss. 520 00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:10,100 And it was just some 521 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,466 kind of weird emotional thing. 522 00:23:13,466 --> 00:23:15,566 (softly): Yes. 523 00:23:15,566 --> 00:23:17,800 And was that true? 524 00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:23,166 I don't know what to say, Jessie. 525 00:23:24,166 --> 00:23:25,933 I don't know what to say 526 00:23:25,933 --> 00:23:27,933 that will best allow you to forgive me. 527 00:23:27,933 --> 00:23:30,600 Just the truth, Debs. 528 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,166 That's all. 529 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,033 The truth is, it was some weird kind of 530 00:23:41,033 --> 00:23:42,733 emotional thing. 531 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:47,166 I was pretty lost, and... 532 00:23:48,566 --> 00:23:51,033 ...he seemed to be also, and he 533 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:53,400 seemed vulnerable, 534 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 and like he wanted to help me, too, and we just... 535 00:23:58,833 --> 00:24:00,833 ...connected for a few months. 536 00:24:03,566 --> 00:24:05,866 But it wasn't just a kiss. 537 00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:10,566 We did sleep together. 538 00:24:10,566 --> 00:24:12,300 ♪ ♪ 539 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:14,333 Like I said in the pub. 540 00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:17,933 (inhales sharply, exhales slowly) 541 00:24:17,933 --> 00:24:20,233 And actually, it was more than just once. 542 00:24:22,633 --> 00:24:25,466 ♪ ♪ 543 00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:26,833 (exhales) 544 00:24:27,966 --> 00:24:29,000 (scoffs softly) 545 00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:37,566 ♪ ♪ 546 00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:48,466 (Debbie sobbing) 547 00:24:48,466 --> 00:24:50,233 Thank you. 548 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,833 Thank you. 549 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,866 I'm gonna walk. Uh, I'm tubing it. 550 00:24:57,866 --> 00:25:00,900 Well, sorry to have got you twatted, 551 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,733 but, um, 552 00:25:02,733 --> 00:25:04,433 that was a really lovely evening, 553 00:25:04,433 --> 00:25:05,900 so thank you. Well, thank you. 554 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:07,400 I'd sort of forgotten what it was like 555 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,933 to have such a good laugh. (laughs) 556 00:25:08,933 --> 00:25:11,000 We aim to please. (laughs) 557 00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:13,800 (chuckles) 558 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,866 (siren blaring in background) 559 00:25:16,866 --> 00:25:18,566 (car horn honks) 560 00:25:18,566 --> 00:25:20,066 Sorry. Oh, no. 561 00:25:20,066 --> 00:25:22,033 No, no, it's just, I... (stammers) 562 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:23,833 Night, dollface. Leanne? 563 00:25:23,833 --> 00:25:27,266 ♪ ♪ 564 00:25:27,266 --> 00:25:28,300 (chuckles) 565 00:25:29,966 --> 00:25:33,733 ♪ ♪ 566 00:25:33,733 --> 00:25:34,900 JESSICA: Hi, Mum. 567 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:37,066 Um, it's me-- look, I was just wondering 568 00:25:37,066 --> 00:25:38,633 if you could come over this evening? 569 00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:41,166 Sure, give me a call-- okay, thanks, bye. 570 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,100 Hey, Leanne, it's Sunny. 571 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,433 That was a great night last night. 572 00:25:51,433 --> 00:25:54,600 Uh, if you fancy grabbing a bite on Friday, then give me a call. 573 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,366 Bye-- Jess! 574 00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:59,666 Hey, Sunny. 575 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,566 Hey. How are you? 576 00:26:03,566 --> 00:26:04,966 Yeah, good, how are you? 577 00:26:04,966 --> 00:26:05,966 (sighs): Oh, you know. 578 00:26:05,966 --> 00:26:06,966 FRAN: So, 579 00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:08,600 there was a bloke from yesterday, 580 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,900 um, who'd known Gerry since they were kids, and who'd 581 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:13,266 said in passing that Gerry was always 582 00:26:13,266 --> 00:26:14,666 "a bit of a rascal." 583 00:26:14,666 --> 00:26:16,500 I mean, what does that mean? 584 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,933 Well, yeah, I rang him back to ask, and basically, 585 00:26:18,933 --> 00:26:21,900 he told me that a few months before he disappeared, 586 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,100 he'd seen him with another woman. Wow, okay. 587 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:25,366 Where? Hm. 588 00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:27,366 In a pub they used to drink in as kids, in Aldgate. 589 00:26:27,366 --> 00:26:29,633 Um, he said he'd introduced her to him 590 00:26:29,633 --> 00:26:30,833 as Melinda. 591 00:26:30,833 --> 00:26:31,900 No surname. 592 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:33,266 No. And he thought 593 00:26:33,266 --> 00:26:35,733 she was more than just a friend why? Oh, because 594 00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:37,766 they were on their own in the corner, all over each other. 595 00:26:37,766 --> 00:26:39,866 SUNNY: And any more specific idea 596 00:26:39,866 --> 00:26:41,533 when this might have happened? 597 00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:43,400 Uh, yes, actually, very specific, 598 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,266 because it was the day after the second lockdown had ended, 599 00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:49,633 and, um, the pubs had just reopened, so everyone was a bit 600 00:26:49,633 --> 00:26:51,200 demob-happy. Yeah. 601 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,433 When was that? Third of December 2020. 602 00:26:53,433 --> 00:26:55,233 Any description of her? 603 00:26:55,233 --> 00:26:58,166 40-ish, pretty, beautiful red hair. 604 00:26:58,166 --> 00:26:59,766 (chuckles): Okay. 605 00:26:59,766 --> 00:27:04,033 Um, can we put in a request for Cooper's mobile data? 606 00:27:04,033 --> 00:27:05,933 Mm-hmm. Calls, texts, and triangulation. 607 00:27:05,933 --> 00:27:07,666 We should try 608 00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:10,933 open-source socials, as well, and emails, while we're at it. JESSICA: Yeah. 609 00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:12,666 See if we can't find out this woman's full name. 610 00:27:12,666 --> 00:27:13,666 Mm-hmm. Boss. 611 00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:15,133 Kaz? Yeah? 612 00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:16,133 KAREN: Uh, so, 613 00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:18,066 P.A.Y.E. records year ended '21, 614 00:27:18,066 --> 00:27:19,433 we do have an M. Baines. 615 00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:20,866 Two addresses, though, 616 00:27:20,866 --> 00:27:23,366 one in Ilford and then the other in Deal, Kent. 617 00:27:23,366 --> 00:27:25,733 Oh, it'll be the, the Kent one now, because we know 618 00:27:25,733 --> 00:27:27,033 he moved back there 619 00:27:27,033 --> 00:27:28,300 in March 2021. 620 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:29,866 Okay, can you ping that over to me, please? 621 00:27:29,866 --> 00:27:32,066 Mm-hmm-- oh, and I have found 622 00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:33,700 three USB sticks for the car park. 623 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:34,866 Just gotta go 624 00:27:34,866 --> 00:27:37,500 through the footage. Good stuff-- Murray. 625 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,500 So Mrs. Cooper dropped off the tenancy documents yesterday. 626 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:40,833 Good. 627 00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:42,466 We're concentrating on Cooper's assault for now. 628 00:27:42,466 --> 00:27:44,066 He said he was hit from behind 629 00:27:44,066 --> 00:27:45,900 and that the assailant was wearing a hoodie. 630 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:49,166 Now, two brief bits of CCTV were found, 631 00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:51,033 showing a man matching the description 632 00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:54,233 walking away from the direction of the Three Crowns car park 633 00:27:54,233 --> 00:27:55,833 and in the direction 634 00:27:55,833 --> 00:27:57,133 of Bow tube. And followed up? 635 00:27:57,133 --> 00:27:58,166 No. 636 00:27:58,166 --> 00:28:00,233 The footage was timed at 10:33, 637 00:28:00,233 --> 00:28:01,400 which was thought to be half-hour 638 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,433 after the attack happened. So... 639 00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:05,533 Thing is, he was knocked unconscious. 640 00:28:05,533 --> 00:28:07,400 And when his wife found him, 641 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600 she assumed the attack had just happened, 642 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,833 when actually, 643 00:28:10,833 --> 00:28:12,533 he could have been sparko for half-an-hour. 644 00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:16,066 Ah, so, in which case, the timing 645 00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:17,066 might fit. Yeah, exactly. 646 00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:18,066 Mm-hmm. 647 00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:19,800 Okay, let's see it. 648 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,233 This is the first one. 649 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,866 SUNNY: What's he doing with his hand? 650 00:28:27,866 --> 00:28:28,866 MURRAY: Don't know. 651 00:28:28,866 --> 00:28:30,066 Thought waving at someone? 652 00:28:30,066 --> 00:28:31,400 Can we see the next bit? 653 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,866 ♪ ♪ 654 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200 Sorry, can you play it again? 655 00:28:45,966 --> 00:28:47,866 KAREN: Is he hailing a cab? 656 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,666 SUNNY: Or is he stimming? 657 00:28:52,666 --> 00:28:54,300 Stimming? Yeah. 658 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,366 It's something that some autistic people do. 659 00:28:57,366 --> 00:28:59,300 I, I have a cousin who's on the sphere-- it's a sort of 660 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,466 repetitive movement to alleviate stress. 661 00:29:02,466 --> 00:29:04,700 Okay, you want to ping that address 662 00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:06,000 over to me now? 663 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Mm-hmm. We need to get down to Deal A.S.A.P. 664 00:29:10,633 --> 00:29:12,533 (mouse clicks) 665 00:29:12,533 --> 00:29:16,500 ♪ ♪ 666 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,200 ♪ ♪ 667 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,633 (siren wailing in distance) 668 00:29:28,633 --> 00:29:30,633 MURRAY: So he put all his properties through you? 669 00:29:30,633 --> 00:29:31,800 Yeah. 670 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,466 And over what timescale was this? 671 00:29:33,466 --> 00:29:36,666 We started letting the first one in 2014, 672 00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:40,933 and we stopped working with him in late 2020. 673 00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:43,166 So six years, give or take. Hm. 674 00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:45,200 And within those three properties, 675 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,100 there were 19 rooms, all needing separate contracts, 676 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,300 quite often short-term, and so it was a very 677 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:51,500 full-on job. 678 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:52,900 We often spoke several times a week. 679 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,266 What was he like to work with? Oh, he was a nightmare. 680 00:29:55,266 --> 00:29:56,366 Huh. 681 00:29:56,366 --> 00:29:58,933 Wasn't expecting that-- in what respect? 682 00:29:58,933 --> 00:30:00,833 He just never wanted to spend any money. 683 00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:03,400 On anything-- amenities, maintenance, 684 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,400 safety regs, anything. 685 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,733 Never mind the legal issues that caused, 686 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,400 we obviously have moral and ethical responsibilities. 687 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,033 And so in 2019, we stopped managing the properties. 688 00:30:14,033 --> 00:30:15,633 Right. Just found him tenants. 689 00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:17,133 And after that, he managed the tenants himself. 690 00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:20,133 Mm, which was also a nightmare, because he was so combative. 691 00:30:20,133 --> 00:30:22,266 In which way? In how he resolved disputes. 692 00:30:22,266 --> 00:30:24,833 Physically intimidating, 693 00:30:24,833 --> 00:30:26,266 verbally aggressive. 694 00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,600 Look, meaning, in the end, we terminated 695 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,033 our agreement with him in, in September 2020. 696 00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:33,366 Okay. 697 00:30:33,366 --> 00:30:36,700 Now, were there any particular disputes you can recall, 698 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:39,900 say, in 2020, that might have properly boiled over? 699 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,466 I'd have to go back over emails and records 700 00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:45,733 for specifics, but generally speaking, 701 00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:47,500 yeah-- yeah, several. 702 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,966 If you could, that'd be really useful. 703 00:30:49,966 --> 00:30:51,766 No worries. 704 00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:55,366 Um, what kind of people were his tenants? 705 00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:57,966 They were almost exclusively asylum seekers. 706 00:30:57,966 --> 00:30:59,933 I think he had a deal with the council. 707 00:30:59,933 --> 00:31:03,200 No doubt they presented some challenges, 708 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 but everyone deserves to live safely, right? 709 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:12,666 ♪ ♪ 710 00:31:16,833 --> 00:31:19,433 (gulls squawking) 711 00:31:23,066 --> 00:31:25,166 (brakes squeak) 712 00:31:25,166 --> 00:31:26,200 (parking brake engages) 713 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,233 ♪ ♪ 714 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,300 ♪ ♪ 715 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,133 (car horn honks) SARAH: DS Boulting? 716 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:44,866 There was one case that you should follow up. 717 00:31:44,866 --> 00:31:46,900 There was an Afghan family who had 718 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:48,866 a long-running dispute with him. 719 00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:50,233 Really boiled over. 720 00:31:50,233 --> 00:31:52,500 I'll look for the files now, but you should start 721 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:53,933 with the guy that interpreted for them? 722 00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:56,366 Lovely fella-- Asif. 723 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:02,000 I am in no one's debt, and I am sick 724 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,400 of being made to feel like I should be grateful. 725 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,100 SAM: No one is saying that. (chuckles) 726 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,833 It's right there in your reaction to what I did, Sam. 727 00:32:09,833 --> 00:32:11,700 That I had the 728 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,000 temerity to bring Hassan over here, 729 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,666 to try and get him settled illegally. 730 00:32:15,666 --> 00:32:18,200 (stammers): Well, but, that, that... 731 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,466 That isn't why I was angry. 732 00:32:20,466 --> 00:32:24,166 Look, look, I was angry because... 733 00:32:24,166 --> 00:32:26,900 I, I mean, did it never occur to you 734 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:29,533 what the implications of what you were doing were for me? 735 00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:32,533 (chuckling) 736 00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:34,533 As far as I can tell, you're fine, 737 00:32:34,533 --> 00:32:37,166 on account of your government not wanting to execute you 738 00:32:37,166 --> 00:32:38,600 for being gay. 739 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,033 (chuckles) 740 00:32:43,033 --> 00:32:45,200 Okay, that... 741 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,500 That is my house, Asif, 742 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,866 which makes me party to a criminal act. 743 00:32:52,866 --> 00:32:57,500 I could lose my whole career if Hassan was found there. 744 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,700 Interesting take. It... 745 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,633 Yeah, you, you know what? 746 00:33:01,633 --> 00:33:04,233 They'd also probably charge you. 747 00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:06,166 Which would mean the end of your citizenship test, 748 00:33:06,166 --> 00:33:09,700 the end of you being able to stay here, and the end of us. 749 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,700 (dog barking in distance) 750 00:33:16,233 --> 00:33:19,066 Look, no one is more ashamed 751 00:33:19,066 --> 00:33:21,533 of the government than I am for what they did to you. 752 00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:22,733 I just... 753 00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:24,533 I, I don't see how this makes things 754 00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:26,066 any better. 755 00:33:26,066 --> 00:33:27,833 It makes it better for him, Sam. 756 00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:30,033 Yeah, but at great risk to us. 757 00:33:30,033 --> 00:33:33,066 If Hass hadn't have got out, 758 00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:35,233 the Taliban would have killed him. 759 00:33:35,233 --> 00:33:36,866 Just like they would have killed me. 760 00:33:36,866 --> 00:33:39,733 So, I'm sorry, but I feel no guilt 761 00:33:39,733 --> 00:33:42,100 in spitting in your system's face. 762 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,233 They did it to me first. 763 00:33:47,233 --> 00:33:53,200 ♪ ♪ 764 00:33:55,266 --> 00:33:59,066 (gulls squawking) 765 00:33:59,066 --> 00:34:01,633 Dead?! SUNNY: I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad... 766 00:34:01,633 --> 00:34:03,033 It wasn't Martin. Mum... 767 00:34:03,033 --> 00:34:04,733 DOT: It wasn't Martin, 768 00:34:04,733 --> 00:34:06,800 'cause he was... I said shut up, will you?! 769 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,833 ♪ ♪ 770 00:34:08,833 --> 00:34:09,833 (Marty breathing deeply) 771 00:34:09,833 --> 00:34:11,100 I don't want to talk here. 772 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,166 ♪ ♪ 773 00:34:14,166 --> 00:34:15,666 Hey, Fran, it's me, uh, we're gonna need 774 00:34:15,666 --> 00:34:17,833 an appropriate adult for this afternoon. 775 00:34:17,833 --> 00:34:18,833 Yeah. 776 00:34:18,833 --> 00:34:20,366 Can you do a PCN check for me? 777 00:34:21,666 --> 00:34:22,700 There. 778 00:34:24,233 --> 00:34:26,033 Watch your head-- there you go. 779 00:34:27,833 --> 00:34:29,700 Do you drive a car, Marty? 780 00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,766 Dad used to let me drive his, 781 00:34:31,766 --> 00:34:33,166 but then we sold it. 782 00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:35,000 "Needed the moolah, me old mucker." 783 00:34:37,233 --> 00:34:40,633 ♪ ♪ 784 00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:42,733 (exhales) 785 00:34:42,733 --> 00:34:44,766 (boxers grunting) 786 00:34:44,766 --> 00:34:47,900 ♪ ♪ 787 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,500 MAN: Corner. 788 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:55,500 Your corner. 789 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:58,566 So, my job, Marty, is to make sure 790 00:34:58,566 --> 00:35:00,666 that you're fully aware of all your rights 791 00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:02,333 and to make sure that you don't 792 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,900 accidentally say something that gets you 793 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,266 into trouble. 794 00:35:06,266 --> 00:35:09,366 I, I don't want to get into trouble. 795 00:35:09,366 --> 00:35:10,866 I don't want you to, either. 796 00:35:10,866 --> 00:35:12,933 So, should I lie, then? 797 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,166 Well, it's, it's generally better 798 00:35:17,166 --> 00:35:20,833 to tell the truth, don't you think? 799 00:35:23,733 --> 00:35:26,633 So, if I have this right 800 00:35:26,633 --> 00:35:28,466 from my reading of the court transcripts, 801 00:35:28,466 --> 00:35:31,033 Gerry Cooper was actually an old friend of yours. 802 00:35:31,033 --> 00:35:32,900 Yeah, yeah, he was, yeah. 803 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:34,566 Can you talk me through that? 804 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:37,000 Um, well, we'd known each other most of our lives. 805 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,866 We went to the same school, 806 00:35:38,866 --> 00:35:41,100 we lived round the corner from each other... 807 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,100 Oh, I drank in his pub. 808 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:47,733 And the assault occurred at a rally 809 00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:49,633 in Westminster Square. Yeah. 810 00:35:49,633 --> 00:35:51,766 Um, had you gone there together? 811 00:35:51,766 --> 00:35:54,766 Uh, no, no, we, we ran into each other by chance. 812 00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:56,200 What was the rally? 813 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,266 It was the day of one of the big Brexit votes. 814 00:35:59,266 --> 00:36:01,266 It was March 29, 2019. 815 00:36:01,266 --> 00:36:02,400 And you were there... 816 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,766 I was a Remainer. 817 00:36:03,766 --> 00:36:05,500 And Mr. Cooper... Brexiteer. 818 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:06,900 Okay. 819 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,800 Uh, so you just bumped into each other? 820 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,266 Yeah, yeah. 821 00:36:11,266 --> 00:36:13,533 And it was all very friendly at first. Mm-hmm. 822 00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:16,300 And then we, uh, we started talking about the vote, 823 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:17,800 and, uh, yeah, well... (chuckles) 824 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,100 It all got really unpleasant really quickly. 825 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,600 I mean, we'd both had a few drinks, 826 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,566 so that didn't help, but, um... 827 00:36:25,566 --> 00:36:28,133 He just made me so angry. 828 00:36:28,133 --> 00:36:30,866 He, he made you angry, or you got angry? 829 00:36:30,866 --> 00:36:33,900 (chuckles): Yeah, well, yeah, there you go, look, look... 830 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:35,966 I'm sure a lot of it was my fault. 831 00:36:35,966 --> 00:36:37,733 In what way? 832 00:36:37,733 --> 00:36:39,600 Well, he had a right to his opinions. 833 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,666 And I, I was just too interested in, 834 00:36:42,666 --> 00:36:45,333 in trying to wind him up and mock him. 835 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,200 So, it got heated... 836 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,233 Yeah, yeah, and he, he got angrier and angrier, 837 00:36:50,233 --> 00:36:51,800 and, as did I, 838 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,933 and then, um, then he was making some point, and he sort of 839 00:36:54,933 --> 00:36:57,233 prodded me in the chest, which really wound me up, 840 00:36:57,233 --> 00:37:00,100 so I sort of swiped his hand away, 841 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,766 which was when 842 00:37:01,766 --> 00:37:03,533 he punched me. 843 00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:05,466 In the face. 844 00:37:06,866 --> 00:37:09,133 Very hard. 845 00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:14,266 (phone vibrating) 846 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,866 ♪ ♪ 847 00:37:18,866 --> 00:37:19,900 (exhales softly) 848 00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,233 (vibration stops) 849 00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:28,400 LEANNE (on voicemail greeting): Hi, you've reached Leanne. 850 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,333 Please leave a message after the tone. 851 00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:31,333 (tone beeps) 852 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,200 It's me, uh, again. 853 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,100 Uh, give me a call. 854 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,866 So, one arrest. 855 00:37:38,866 --> 00:37:39,933 For? 856 00:37:39,933 --> 00:37:41,500 Burglary, dwelling, seven years ago. 857 00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,033 Okay. 858 00:37:43,033 --> 00:37:44,900 And obviously, we go gently. 859 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:46,600 Of course, yeah. 860 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,300 ♪ ♪ 861 00:37:57,033 --> 00:37:58,700 Well, I mean, I... 862 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,233 I knew him less well in the last ten years or so. 863 00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:02,800 But, um, 864 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,533 I'd say he increasingly came across 865 00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:06,900 as a, as a bitter man. 866 00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:08,900 Bitter about what? 867 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:12,766 How he perceived life had treated him, I guess. 868 00:38:12,766 --> 00:38:14,733 Had he not done okay? Well, I would have said so, but 869 00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:16,600 I think he felt he was owed more. 870 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,733 And that people like him had been 871 00:38:18,733 --> 00:38:20,466 abandoned. 872 00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:21,766 Politically. Right. 873 00:38:21,766 --> 00:38:24,533 Who do you think the anger was aimed at? 874 00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:27,166 (chuckles): Anyone and everyone. 875 00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:32,066 (blows out): Um, big pharma, phone mast companies, 876 00:38:32,066 --> 00:38:33,266 the Jews, the Arabs, 877 00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:34,433 Davos... (chuckles) 878 00:38:34,433 --> 00:38:37,600 Look, it was all pretty rabbit-holey. 879 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200 (chuckles): Yeah, and then, um... 880 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,266 Then, in 2016, he, um, 881 00:38:43,266 --> 00:38:47,600 he created an online forum called U.K. United. 882 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,233 Oh, right, what was that? Well, exactly what it sounds like. 883 00:38:50,233 --> 00:38:54,266 Anti-immigration, low-level racist wank 884 00:38:54,266 --> 00:38:57,500 about how we needed to get back to the good old days. 885 00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,400 Mm, U.K. United? 886 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,833 Yeah, yeah, that's it. Right? Yeah. 887 00:39:00,833 --> 00:39:02,966 ♪ ♪ 888 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:05,233 LIZ: We need a curriculum that allows space 889 00:39:05,233 --> 00:39:07,300 for a properly critical understanding 890 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:09,733 of racism, capitalism, and colonialism 891 00:39:09,733 --> 00:39:12,066 as paradigmatic systems of oppression. 892 00:39:12,066 --> 00:39:13,766 And you giving me that book suggests 893 00:39:13,766 --> 00:39:15,766 you have no desire to go on that journey. 894 00:39:15,766 --> 00:39:19,533 My giving you that book was entirely part of that journey. 895 00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:20,666 It was an attempt 896 00:39:20,666 --> 00:39:23,600 to allow you to understand the life 897 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,500 of a woman who, firsthand, had experienced many 898 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,233 of the oppressions you've just described. 899 00:39:28,233 --> 00:39:29,400 The book, maybe-- I haven't read it. 900 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,400 You giving it to me, no. 901 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,766 And how's that? 902 00:39:31,766 --> 00:39:33,300 Our reading list remains achingly white, 903 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:34,700 so your offer was at best tokenistic 904 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:37,000 and at worst a deliberate insult. 905 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,866 (laughs) 906 00:39:39,866 --> 00:39:41,400 An insult to who? 907 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,700 To all people of color. 908 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:43,833 But you're white. 909 00:39:43,833 --> 00:39:44,966 It was a blatant middle finger. 910 00:39:44,966 --> 00:39:46,266 Oh, it just wasn't! 911 00:39:46,266 --> 00:39:48,400 You were literally smirking when you handed it over. 912 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,333 That is just my face. 913 00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:52,333 (students chuckling) LIZ: It angers you 914 00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:54,433 that I have a strong opinion, so you used 915 00:39:54,433 --> 00:39:56,333 the title as a weapon to anger me. 916 00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:58,366 No, I just wanted you to read it, 917 00:39:58,366 --> 00:39:59,433 you sanctimonious little snow... 918 00:39:59,433 --> 00:40:00,733 Juliet... No, excuse me, 919 00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:01,800 my turn now. 920 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,733 I mean, you are proper-smart, Liz. 921 00:40:03,733 --> 00:40:05,400 You are super-passionate. 922 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,800 But please, there are so many more 923 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,433 important things in this world to get angry about. 924 00:40:08,433 --> 00:40:10,966 Are you seriously telling us what we can be angry about now? 925 00:40:10,966 --> 00:40:12,666 You know what? I actually am. 926 00:40:12,666 --> 00:40:14,333 I know more than you. 927 00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,333 (scoffs): Yeah, right. 928 00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:17,566 I've lived 37 years more life! 929 00:40:17,566 --> 00:40:19,600 ♪ ♪ 930 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,833 But much more importantly... 931 00:40:22,833 --> 00:40:29,566 ♪ ♪ 932 00:40:29,566 --> 00:40:31,500 ...the idea that two white people 933 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,466 sitting in the lecture hall of an elite university 934 00:40:34,466 --> 00:40:35,800 discussing the semantic niceties 935 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,833 of the racial lexicon could in turn 936 00:40:37,833 --> 00:40:40,800 meaningfully change the world somehow 937 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,833 is as absurd as it is ever so slightly repulsive. 938 00:40:46,766 --> 00:40:47,866 Get a life, Liz! 939 00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:54,166 ♪ ♪ 940 00:40:56,766 --> 00:41:01,933 ♪ ♪ 941 00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:03,833 (computer volume increasing) 942 00:41:03,833 --> 00:41:06,300 (laughing) 943 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,666 Boris Johnson retweeted me! 944 00:41:09,666 --> 00:41:11,500 (cheering, laughing) 945 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,000 Oh, my God, oh, Boris! 946 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000 (laughing) 947 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,900 Come on, give me my drink. 948 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:18,200 Boris! 949 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,833 (all chanting): Boris! Boris! Boris! 950 00:41:20,833 --> 00:41:22,033 (key tapping) 951 00:41:22,033 --> 00:41:24,033 ...retweeted me! 952 00:41:24,033 --> 00:41:25,066 (key taps) 953 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,066 ♪ ♪ 954 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:34,200 (exhales) 955 00:41:45,433 --> 00:41:46,666 (message sends) 956 00:41:46,666 --> 00:41:48,900 SUNNY: Marty, can I ask you... (phone dings) 957 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:50,133 ...how come you ended up 958 00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:51,700 working in a job that was so far from home? 959 00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:54,200 MARTY: Um, Dad got me a supported-living flat 960 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,766 in Ilford, then the council put me in a work scheme, 961 00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:00,666 and because I'm strong, I got the job at the Three Crowns 962 00:42:00,666 --> 00:42:02,466 lifting and carrying. And who gave you that job? 963 00:42:02,466 --> 00:42:04,233 Mr. Cooper. 964 00:42:04,233 --> 00:42:05,233 (audio distorts) 965 00:42:05,233 --> 00:42:06,833 Gerry Cooper. Yes. 966 00:42:06,833 --> 00:42:07,833 And when was this? 967 00:42:07,833 --> 00:42:10,700 14th of May 2019 at 17:30. 968 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,466 And how did you get on with Mr. Cooper? 969 00:42:12,466 --> 00:42:14,000 Very nicely, thank you. 970 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,166 He was a chatterbox, like me. 971 00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,200 Could talk the hind legs 972 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,833 off a donkey. (chuckles): Okay. 973 00:42:18,833 --> 00:42:21,100 Well, what did you guys like to talk about? 974 00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,500 Uh, mainly, the World Economic Forum, 975 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,933 the great replacement theory, 976 00:42:25,933 --> 00:42:27,166 and George Soros. 977 00:42:27,166 --> 00:42:28,833 And work went well? 978 00:42:28,833 --> 00:42:31,033 Work went well, yes. But then the pandemic happened. 979 00:42:31,033 --> 00:42:32,366 Yes, then the pandemic happened. 980 00:42:32,366 --> 00:42:34,333 And you were laid off. And I was laid off. 981 00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:35,800 SUNNY: Well, that must have been difficult. 982 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,200 Yes. 983 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,700 Can I ask you, Marty, were you ever 984 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,100 given furlough? Yes, I was. 985 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,700 Okay, except, uh, we have a note from 986 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:46,133 a fellow employee who thinks you weren't. 987 00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:48,766 Gerry applied for it for me 988 00:42:48,766 --> 00:42:51,100 and got the money, but he never paid me. Okay. 989 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:52,133 How do you know this? 990 00:42:52,133 --> 00:42:53,666 My dad found out. Right. 991 00:42:53,666 --> 00:42:55,466 And did you ask 992 00:42:55,466 --> 00:42:56,533 Gerry about this? 993 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:57,866 Yes, and he said he would pay me, 994 00:42:57,866 --> 00:42:59,333 but he's "temporarily in a pickle, 995 00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:00,633 short of the readies, mate." 996 00:43:00,633 --> 00:43:02,266 But he paid you eventually? No. 997 00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:03,766 No, he never. 998 00:43:05,133 --> 00:43:08,100 Well, that doesn't sound fair. 999 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:09,900 No, it wasn't fair. So, 1000 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,033 did that make you a bit angry? 1001 00:43:11,033 --> 00:43:12,433 Can you be careful, please, 1002 00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:13,800 about putting words into Marty's mouth? 1003 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,033 Of course, uh, my apologies, Marty. 1004 00:43:18,033 --> 00:43:19,533 How did it make you feel? 1005 00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:21,266 A bit angry. 1006 00:43:21,266 --> 00:43:23,033 Okay, can I just... 1007 00:43:23,033 --> 00:43:25,166 (softly): Do you want to take five minutes, Marty? 1008 00:43:25,166 --> 00:43:26,733 No, thank you-- thank you for asking. 1009 00:43:26,733 --> 00:43:28,200 Are you sure? 1010 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,466 Yes, I'm sure. 1011 00:43:31,033 --> 00:43:32,433 Just go gently, 1012 00:43:32,433 --> 00:43:35,000 please. Of course-- thank you. 1013 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,366 So, uh, did you ever argue with Gerry about the money? 1014 00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:41,166 Yes, I did argue with him. 1015 00:43:41,166 --> 00:43:43,366 And these were friendly arguments or...? 1016 00:43:43,366 --> 00:43:44,633 Cross arguments. 1017 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,866 Okay, uh... 1018 00:43:52,066 --> 00:43:53,233 Did it ever get physical? 1019 00:43:53,233 --> 00:43:54,733 ALISON: Are you sure you wouldn't like 1020 00:43:54,733 --> 00:43:55,866 to take a break? 1021 00:43:56,833 --> 00:43:58,466 Yes, it got physical. 1022 00:43:59,433 --> 00:44:00,533 (door closes in distance) 1023 00:44:02,933 --> 00:44:04,066 When did it get physical? 1024 00:44:04,066 --> 00:44:05,633 One time in the pub. 1025 00:44:05,633 --> 00:44:08,366 Inside or outside, in the pub car park? 1026 00:44:08,366 --> 00:44:10,066 No, inside. Okay. 1027 00:44:10,066 --> 00:44:11,600 Do you want to tell us what happened? 1028 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,366 He pushed me, 1029 00:44:14,366 --> 00:44:17,800 and I pushed him back, up against a wall, 1030 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,900 and then I walked away, and that's all 1031 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:22,666 that happened. And that's all? 1032 00:44:22,666 --> 00:44:24,666 Yes, that's all that happened. You didn't punch him? 1033 00:44:26,133 --> 00:44:28,966 Violence is never the answer, D.I. Sunil Khan. 1034 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,133 No, you're absolutely right there, Marty, but 1035 00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:36,100 can I tell you why I'm asking? Yes, please. 1036 00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:37,966 Because we have CCTV footage 1037 00:44:37,966 --> 00:44:40,233 of someone who looks very much like you, 1038 00:44:40,233 --> 00:44:42,566 around the time that we know that Mr. Cooper 1039 00:44:42,566 --> 00:44:46,366 was badly assaulted, walking away from the pub. 1040 00:44:46,366 --> 00:44:50,400 (voice trembling): Um, oh, no. 1041 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,933 Um... 1042 00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,266 (inhales deeply) 1043 00:44:55,266 --> 00:44:57,500 (stammering): I would like to take my break now, please, 1044 00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,400 so that I can get my story straight. 1045 00:45:01,966 --> 00:45:06,600 ♪ ♪ 1046 00:45:12,333 --> 00:45:14,033 (mouse clicking) 1047 00:45:23,266 --> 00:45:29,533 ♪ ♪ 1048 00:45:29,533 --> 00:45:30,700 MARTY (on voicemail greeting): This is Marty. 1049 00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,400 I can't take your call right now. 1050 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,566 Please leave a message. 1051 00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:35,000 (tone beeps) 1052 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,600 I don't know if they're listening to this, but 1053 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:46,133 don't say anything about Daddy, Pickle. 1054 00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:51,233 Don't say a single word. 1055 00:45:51,233 --> 00:45:56,566 ♪ ♪ 1056 00:45:59,133 --> 00:46:00,233 (click) 1057 00:46:04,366 --> 00:46:05,366 ♪ ♪ 1058 00:46:05,366 --> 00:46:06,400 Were you not angry with him? 1059 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,566 Maybe it all got out of control? 1060 00:46:08,566 --> 00:46:11,033 I think he's answered your questions. 1061 00:46:11,033 --> 00:46:12,866 KANE: Had a call from a police officer 1062 00:46:12,866 --> 00:46:15,366 about being a witness in a murder investigation. 1063 00:46:15,366 --> 00:46:17,266 TAYLOR: Have you told the police about the row that night? 1064 00:46:17,266 --> 00:46:18,700 ♪ ♪ 1065 00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:22,033 ♪ ♪ 1066 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:28,133 ♪ ♪ 1067 00:46:28,133 --> 00:46:31,833 ANNOUNCER: Visit our website for videos, newsletters, podcasts, and more. 1068 00:46:31,833 --> 00:46:34,966 And join us on social media. 1069 00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:36,833 The DVD version of this program 1070 00:46:36,833 --> 00:46:39,100 is available online and in stores. 1071 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,766 This program is also available with PBS Passport 1072 00:46:41,766 --> 00:46:43,566 and on Amazon Prime Video. 1073 00:46:43,566 --> 00:46:47,733 ♪ ♪